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Nov 8th, 2005 at 10:18am
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/07/antiwar.sermon.ap/

This is why churches really need to learn tax codes.

Filling for a 401(c)3 are only for those orginizations which are not churches or clearly defined by the laws which are already exempted.

It's easier to look at it this way:  As an American citizen you are exempt from following the laws of Mexico since they don't apply to you.  However if you were to sign a contract with Mexico and they put stipulations in that contract that says you must follow certain rules in order for you not to break your contract then you must follow those rules.

This is the same for churches, at least already signified Chrisitan churches as well as other faiths.  However by signing the 4019c)3, that they don't need because the are already exempt, they put themselves under the rule of the state.  And if the government puts pressure on a newly formed church because they didn't file the 401(c)3 then usually the church thinks they have to because they don't read the law.  They just do what trustworthy Uncle Sam tells them is correct.

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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2005 at 11:09am
 
You're absolutely right about the 401(c)3 status.  Churches are exceptions, not exemptions.

That church sounds downright retarded, but their views are their own business.  If they were accepting campaign donations, the IRS might have a point, but this is downright stupid.

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Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 3:11pm
 
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160132,00.html

Well well well looks like we have one smart Mormon here

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Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 3:54pm
 
Nice, we need more mainstream scientists to get to analyzing this... What really happened on 9/11 should not fall out of the  spotlight as it has.
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Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 4:19pm
 
Supposedly, this guy's findings will be published in a peer-reviewed paper, which should definitely generate some textual criticism on his work.  It'd be nice if they'd label the peer-reviewed journal that will be publishing his work.  Hopefully it's something sizeable and flashy...

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Reply #6 - Nov 12th, 2005 at 12:11pm
 
This should make you smile, Stewie...

http://www.bigbrotherawards.org/

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...

made this baby in photoshop today, thought it sums it up quite nicely. I think I'm going to make 10,000 of them and hang them around Detroit.

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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 1:42am
 
Wow, Briney, that is hawt.

Almost as hawt as Earth 2160.

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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 12:55am
 
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmav.htm

What?  Big Brother?  You're crazy.  You're so crazy.  Yes you.  Yes, you're...you're...you're so crazy.  Oh my ...oh my...so crazy you are.  You think they would watch you...you...oh you're so...and you think they're going to put frones over your cities.  Oh my yes you are so crazy...you crazy nut you...so crazy.

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They wouldnt do that!!

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Reply #11 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 10:13am
 
Ok guys I have the interview on the Alex Jones Radio Show with Steven E. Jones

Would you want me to post it on here....if I can, or if anyone wants me to send it to them just IM me.

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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 10:24am
 
http://www.kcbs.com/pages/kcbs/news/news_story.nsp?story_id=85369425&ID=kcbs&sca...

Alrighty you remember this guy.  He lost the pledge of alligence case because........he didn't have legal custody of his daughter.  Ha ha ha moron!  Now he wants to take "In God We Trust" off money....I for one agree with him.  I don't need God on money of a country who constantly disobey and spit in His face.  It seems the more you see "In God We Trust" on our money the less likely you're going to listen to Him.

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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 1:40pm
 
The Supreme Court just shot down a similar case today by rejecting a plea to hear a case.  Apparently, a court building in Lexington, North Carolina has "In God We Trust" inscribed across the exterior of the building.  Some pansy liberals decided they didn't like it, so they sued.

Ridiculous.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13164636.htm

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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 2:22pm
 
In my opinion, there need not be any references to God in our government. The founding fathers never said anything specific about the seperation of church and state, but pushing God on people through a governing body is never the way to go. It's what turns people off to God in the first place. look at how the Catholic church operated in the Middle ages. Explain to me how 60,000 christians took to the road and marched for 3,000 miles burning and raping their way to Jerusalem. All in the name of God. Good going.

The United States needs to be careful in the coming years on how it conducts itself in the world arena. Many nations view the US's war on terror as a Christian jihad on Muslims. Even Condelleza Rice has said the road to democracy in the Middle East will be long. What the crap is that, who says they need democracy. I am reminded of the Roman empire conquering nations and then leaving magistrates to rule over the new territory. Think of Afghanistan and Iraq. After we went in, we put in leaders that are obviously sympathetic to the US, and we install a system of government almost the same as ours. The oil in Iraq was privatized almost instantly and 100% of the industry is now run by independant companies, which of course were bought by American oil giants. We also gave a bunch of contracts to American companies to rebuild and basically convert Iraqis to the American Way of Life.

Conquerers, thats all we are. Next is Iran or Syria, the US is already building a case against Iran in the United Nations, cause we know that we cannot do another illegal war. Maybe a "terrorist" attack would help convince Americans and others around the world that Iran should be stopped.

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Reply #15 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:37am
 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/28/D8E5RPBO5.html

Tell me that this is a) legal b) logical c) needed....and I'll show you monkies that fly out of my butt!

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Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:09am
 
That's retarded.  Miama is a rather liberal city, but overall the people of Florida won't take that crap.  It might fly in California, but Florida is a far more conservative state.

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Reply #17 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:21am
 
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4274023,00.html

Salutes.  Does anyone know what the place they are talking about is?  It's a Center of some sort I get that, but a public bus goes through it and they have to check ID?  IS that right?

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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 11:28am
 
http://www.lakewood-colorado.org/business_parks/denverfedcenter.asp

At first, I got steaming mad as I read the article.  Then, I looked up information on the Lakewood Federal Center, and my view was changed.

This is a secured location.  Regardless of why she was there, it was not unreasonable to ask her for identification.  If I try to walk up to a military base or secure federal installation and refuse to show ID, I expect to be arrested.

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Reply #19 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:10pm
 
But I don't understand why a public bus goes through there.  If it's a secured site then I guess the PUBLIC shouldn't be allowed to go through it
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Reply #20 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:31pm
 
Just because it is "secure" doesn't necessarily mean it is an ultra-max lockdown facility.  I'm not saying the government is entirely right on the issue, and I think they could abuse this very easily, but the article seems more than a little biased in her favor.

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Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 10:52am
 
Vaccine additive banned in Iowa
By Rachelle Treiber

Just as Iowa records the season’s first official case of influenza, pediatricians are reminding parents that children younger than 2 years face nearly the same risks associated with the illness as adults older than 65.

But while some parents are leery of the pediatric flu vaccination — which can contain preservatives such as thimerosal, a mercury-based compound added to some vaccines — Iowans can rest easy.

Earlier this year, the state became the first in the nation to ban the use of preservatives in childhood vaccines.

In 1999, when it was discovered that immunized children had accidentally been exposed to mercury levels well over federal limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics called for thimerosal to be removed from vaccines as a precaution.

It was eliminated from nearly all vaccines except the one used for the flu.

Since the Iowa ban went in place during January, California has followed suit and more than 30 other states have similar bans under consideration. Illinois is among them.

In August, Gov. Rod Blagojevich approved the Mercury-Free Vaccine Act. As of next year, the percentage of mercury used in vaccines will be limited. As of 2008, no Illinois resident will be vaccinated with a product containing mercury.

“This was not an issue that we pushed. It was legislator-backed,” said  Kevin Teale, communications director for the Iowa Department of Public Health.

Former Iowa Sen. Ken Veenstra, R-Orange City, oversaw an investigation that led to the ban.

Veenstra, who was chairman of the Senate Human Resources Committee, said at the time that he combed through all of the available scientific and biological data before backing the prohibition.

“After three years of review, I became convinced there was sufficient credible research to show a link between mercury and the increased incidences in autism,” he said. “Iowa’s 700 percent increase in autism that began in the 1990s, right after more and more vaccines were added to the children’s vaccine schedules, is solid evidence alone.”

Many parents and medical experts agree, arguing that mercury exposure is at the core of a number of serious medical disorders, ranging from childhood autism to Alzheimer’s disease. Much of their anger is aimed at thimerosal.

Other experts disagree, however.

The American Dental Association flatly denies that mercury-based fillings pose any risk to patients, and the Autism Society of America says there is no known cause for autism, but that it most likely is genetic.

Either way, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention still recommend that children 6 to 24 months of age be vaccinated against influenza.

They say that while mercury is a toxic substance known to be harmful to humans, especially pregnant women, infants and children, the vaccines on the market yield what is considered well below the acceptable level of mercury.

Public health experts say the decision to vaccinate your child against influenza should be taken very seriously.

“It is most dangerous for the little ones, those under 6 months, and since they cannot be vaccinated, we need to vaccinate those around them who could pass it to them,” said Roma Taylor, a registered nurse and clinical services coordinator for the Scott County Health Department.

Taylor said the department administers flu shots to youngsters through its Vaccine for Children program, which is available to those who are Medicaid-eligible, uninsured, underinsured or American Indian.

And those parents have not questioned whether their child’s vaccine contains thimerosal.

“We do have it available preservative-free, but no parents have specifically asked for it,” Taylor said. “We really haven’t had anyone question if the vaccinations had thimerosal or any other preservatives in them.”

Health experts said that until a ban is passed in Illinois, parents can request a preservative-free flu shot for their child, but the request must be made before the vaccine supply is ordered, which can be done as early as May.

Rachelle Treiber can be contacted at (563) 383-2363 or rtreiber@qctimes.com.


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Reply #24 - Dec 8th, 2005 at 12:14pm
 
http://villagevoice.com/news/0549,murphy,70685,6.html

This is a great story about 9/11 "incosistenceies"...or as we like to call them in the real world...LIES.  Fairly decent questions....WTC 7 is a huge one...and reports from the fire fighters.  Would have asked why NORAD was told to stand down...and Larry Silverstein said to "pull" or demolish WTC7...any questions...feel free to post em.

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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2005 at 4:38pm
 
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1138965,00.html

Now they are gunning us down.  Who cares if they lie?  Who cares if the woman was trying to tell them he was mentally retarded?  This is just like what happened after 7/7.  A guy was a terrorist...then we was a guy with a big coat and running....then he was Brazlian, had no coat, and wasn't running.  When will the lies stop?  Well no care cares...so never.

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Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2005 at 9:36pm
 
He was mentally ill, not mentally retarded.

At this point, we don't know enough about the situation to decide one way or another.  Don't expect The Guv to start talking any time soon.

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Ok here's some more info on the suspicious shooting of the mentally ILL person on the plane

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/miami_passenger_shooting_looking_suspicious....

Also...yet ANOTHER reason to hate America:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/go_to_jail_for_sharing_song_lyrics.htm

And I for one have to say....

"What is thy bidding my master//it's a disaster///it's Skywalker we're after
//what if he can be turned to the dark side//yes another dark jedi//we got death star//we got death star

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I'm never gonna hear the end of that, am I?
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Watch out for Episode VII: Attack of the Noobs.

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If I drank, I'd buy a case of beer to celebrate this...

Quote:
Senate rejects reauthorization of USA Patriot Act

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspatr1217,0,5251227.story?col...

WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.

In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.

President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent, and add new safeguards and expiration dates to the two most controversial parts: roving wiretaps and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.

Feingold, Craig and other critics said that wasn't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on Dec. 31.

Frist changed his vote at the last moment after seeing the critics would win. He decided to vote with the prevailing side so he could call for a new vote at any time. He immediately objected to an offer of a short term extension from Democrats, saying the House won't approve it and the president won't sign it.

"We have more to fear from terrorism than we do from this Patriot Act," Frist warned.

If the Patriot Act provisions expire, Republicans say they will place the blame on Democrats in next year's midterm elections. "In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without these vital tools for a single moment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The time for Democrats to stop standing in the way has come."

But the Patriot Act's critics got a boost from a New York Times report saying Bush authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of people inside the United States. Previously, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations.

"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

"It is time to have some checks and balances in this country," shouted Sen. Patrick Leahy, ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. "We are more American for doing that."

Most of the Patriot Act -- which expanded the government's surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers -- was made permanent when Congress overwhelmingly passed it after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. Making the rest of it permanent was a priority for both the Bush administration and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill before Congress adjourns for the year.

The House on Wednesday passed a House-Senate compromise bill to renew the expiring portions of the Patriot Act that supporters say added significant safeguards to the law. Its Senate supporters say that compromise is the only thing that has a chance to pass Congress before 2006.

"This is a defining moment. There are no more compromises to be made, no more extensions of time. The bill is what it is," said Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

The bill's opponents say the original act was rushed into law, and Congress should take more time now to make sure the rights of innocent Americans are safeguarded before making the expiring provisions permanent.

"Those that would give up essential liberties in pursuit in a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security," said Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H. They suggested a short extension so negotiations could continue, but the Senate scrapped a Democratic-led effort to renew the USA Patriot Act for just three months before the vote began.


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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a6AM.xbk.1sI&refer=top_world...

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Reply #31 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 2:55pm
 
I'm hesitant to say anything before the rest of you speak.  I don't know your feelings about the Patriot Act, but it seems like a big brother law. 

Am I mistaken, or was this country based on indiviual rights.  We do have the right to privacy.  It takes away from our legal rights as citizens.  I think it's great that the law didn't get extended.  It's one of the few things that I'll agree on with Democrats.
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Aye, this is a friendly bunch, and believe me, some of the things we talk about go a bit beyond this issue.   Wink
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how about this...president supports US wire taps.  lol he should be thrown out, I dont know why any american would authorize this.  Its ludacris.

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Last I heard that was illegal. I'm sure hes using the pretense that the Patriot Act makes it legal, but the fact that this Act didnt make it through the senate shows how Americans feel about it.
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Actually, young ones, the story refered to here took place a few days after 9/11.  That is without any court orders and WITHOUT the Patriot Act.  Now remember, according to the offical story we knew nothing of the attacks.  However within a 3 week span from 9/11 to the time Patriot Act was unviled.  We had the good ol boys in DC, by order of the President, come up with a 380 page paper that covered what should be done to combat the war on terror.  In a system, city, and country that takes months just to name a plan we have an almost 400 page, deeply integrated, deeply detailed guidelines set to be used.  Now I'm not one to flawnt conspiracy theories.......*eyes shifting*.....but that seems a little odd to me.

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Reply #38 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:08am
 
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/20/D8EK9JP81.html

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"Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday called for "strong and robust" presidential powers, saying executive authority was eroded during the Watergate and Vietnam eras."

Yes, probably because we viewed wiretapping in Watergate as really really bad.  Also, I believe "strong and robus" powers also led to locking Japanene AMERICANS up in "internment camps".  Heck why don't we just make Bush Dictator for Life.  That would just be the best all around.  Also, lets just give up our rights as well as our guns.  If you have nothing to hide then you don't need to worry about the police walking into your house any time they want to.  Hey, trails just get in the way of justice.  We all hate lawyers...so we don't need them anymore.  If you see someone getting snatched right out in the middle of the street and thrown into a van that quickly speeds away....that's just your govt despensing justice.  See....Dick....I can do it too.

" "I believe in a strong, robust executive authority and I think that the world we live in demands it," Cheney said."

Yeah, if you're a megalomanic bent on global domination to bring about a one world order/one world government.  Who, other than these yahoos, are demanding it?  I'm surely not, anyone on this board??  Does anyone know anyone in the world who's like, "Yeah, the President has our best intentions so why not give him unlimited rule."  Those people need to live in North Korea for ohhhh 6 months and then try saying that again.  If they live. 
Them: "Oh I don't like dog meat."
N. Korea: "EXECUTION!"
Them: "But I have the right to free speech!"
N. Korea: (Laughs while loading rifle)

"I would argue that the actions that we've taken there are totally appropriate and consistent with the constitutional authority of the president. ... You know, it's not an accident that we haven't been hit in four years,"

HA HA HA HA.  I have this rock...and it wards of tigers.  See no tigers since we've had this rock for 4 years.  Also it helps if I control the "tiger" population and if I deem it so...I can "release of tiger" when they don't buy the "rock".  Is anyone confused as to my whimsical analogy?  Also I want to know what action has been taken that has led to a stop in just ONE terrorist attack.  The closer I've seen was about a dozen CIVILIANS tackle a guy with C-4 in his shoes on an airplane and tied him up with belts.
Our government: Well we shot a guy for saying he was carrying a bomb in his backback.
Me:  Well witnesses have come forward to say that he never said such a thing and was just roaming the isle acting a little crazy.
Our government:  Well...err...umm....better safe than sorry.  PLUS he LOOKED like a terrorist.
Me: Oh and so did his loved one, I guess, who was trying to throw you off his trail by screaming "He's mentally ill!"
Our government:  Yes, now you get our point
Me: (Shakes my head and thinks about giving the Nazi salute just to see if I get the same response)

" "I think the vice president ought to reread the Constitution," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass."

Oh Hell...NOW I'M AGREEING WITH KENNEDY!!!???  This has GOT to be a low point in our country then.  I do have to say...he has a point.  When the Pres takes the oath of office all I hear is to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.  And I do believe that there's something called the Bill of Rights that basically say no wiretaps.  Unless if I missed a page in my historical document.

" "I believe the Congress _ as a coequal branch of government _ must immediately and expeditiously review the use of this practice," said Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine."

Wow, we have these people in office.  Maybe Sen. Snowe should read his Constitution again.  To his defense...he probably went to a public school...but he has money...hmmm....shoot I can't defend him then.  NE ways, my point here is.  CONGRESS IS NO "COEQUAL"!  The executive was made the weakest branch possible because our Fathers didn't want another King to rise up.  Hmm...smart guys.  Congress is probably the most powerful, although not without the proper checks and balances which helps us fight tyroney...when people actually stand up and fight against it.  Congress should be controlled by the people and thus it inevitabily had more power.  To Sen. Snowe...I would like to make the comment of..."Durrr!"

" Attorney General Alberto Gonzales cites the Authorization to Use Military Force law, which Congress passed and Bush signed a week after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The administration believes that law lets the government avoid provisions of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."

Yeah and now everyone is ticked because Bush abused those powers and declared war on Iraq without any Congresstion declaration of war.  Yeah...good move there Congress.  Ya bunch of traitors.

" "I'm not a lawyer, but in my reading, it is pretty conclusive, very conclusive, that FISA prohibits all warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans in America," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D- Calif."

HOLY HELL!!! Now I'm agreeing with a Sen. from CA?!?!?  This must end people.  I don't like ranting as much as it seems.  Help me out here!  I need to stop agreeing with Kennedy and California!

"Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires _ a wiretap requires a court order," Bush said during a speech on the Patriot Act in Buffalo, N.Y. "Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so.""

Oh...then how come you did it after 9/11....with no court order?  How come the Patriot Act lets you do it without a court order?  How come Clinton and Carter also wiretapped in their days....without court orders?  PEOPLE WAKE UP AND THROW OFF YOUR CHAINS AND FIGHT FOR YOUR LIVES!

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Reply #39 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 12:44am
 
http://counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html

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That article is total crap.  I love the total lack of substantive information it contains...

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Oh, really?  Learned how?  From who?  Do you have pictures?  Audio/Data samples?

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I'm not saying Britain isn't going to try it, I'm just saying that it won't work as advertised.  There is no possible way they'll be able to convert that many images to text on the fly with any degree of accuracy and catalog all of it into an indexed, searchable database.  It's just not going to happen.

What are they hoping to prove with this system?  How hard would it be for a "terrorist" to either manufacture a license plate, or simply steal one from another car?

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http://www.newsnet5.com/news/5580743/detail.html

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Reply #46 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 7:40pm
 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/22/nsa.court/index.html

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/28/D8EPGENO2.html

SERIOUSLY!  WHAT THE F**K IS THIS?!  IF I DO THE SAME THING IT'S A FEDERAL CRIME.  IF THE FEDS DO IT, WHICH IS STILL AGAINST THE LAW, IT MEANS NOTHING.  THESE GUYS NEED TO GET OUT OF THE '60s MENTALITY THAT EVERYONE IS A COMMUNIST.  I SO HATE THIS COUNTRY IT KILLS ME.  Let me clarify that statement, "I SO HATE OUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IT KILLS ME!"  When are they just going to walk up to us and shoot us in the back of the head.  Oh wait, they've already done that on airplanes with a mentaly ill person who didn't say anything about a bomb.  Well at least we can go to Disneyland and escape for a while.  Well f**k a monkey they have thumb scanners there.  Well at least I can speak out against them...dang they're putting undercover police officers in protest crowds and taking pictures of people.  Like I said...I hate our government.  Briney, let's talk more about that one thing we were talking about before we saw Narnia.

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Reply #48 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 2:55pm
 
Chill out, Pat.  This is totally a non-issue, and it certainly isn't a "federal crime."  If it were, I'd be charged with two felonies every time someone logs onto the forum because it caches persistent cookies on local machines to identify returning members.

This was a minor violation of a government memorandum, which doesn't even carry the same authority as an executive order.  The article is pure paranoia at its best, and is obviously written by someone that has no clue what a web cookie is or how it functions.

This has nothing to do with "terrorism," and any claim otherwise is patently ludicrous.

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I then apologise for that PARTICULAR statement in regards to that PARTICULAR article.  However the connent of my response I still stand by.  Take THAT politicians for a non-apology apology!

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Chinese president stresses commitment to peaceful development in New Year Address
Sat Dec 31 2005 09:22:59 ET

BEIJING Chinese President Hu Jintao reiterated China's strong commitment to peaceful development in his New Year Address broadcast Saturday to domestic and overseas audience via state TV and radio stations.

"Here, I would like to reiterate that China's development is peaceful development, opening development, cooperative development and harmonious development," Hu said.

"The Chinese people will develop ourselves by means of striving for a peaceful international environment, and promote world peace with our own development," Hu said in the address broadcast by China Radio International, China National Radio and China Central Television.

He said the Chinese people are willing to join with peoples of all nations in the world to promote multilateralism, advance the development of economic globalization toward common prosperity, advocate democracy in international relations, respect the diversity of the world and push for the establishment of a new international political and economic order that is just and rational.

He pledged that China will adhere to its fundamental national policy of opening to the outside world, continue to improve the investment environment and open the market, carry out international cooperation in a wide range of areas and seek to attain mutual benefits and win-win results with all countries in the world.

He mentioned in particular that China will do its best to help developing countries accelerate development and help people suffering from war, poverty, illnesses and natural calamities in the world.

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UK Speed Camera Tickets Non-Speeding Protestor
Annoyed by defiant gesture, speed camera issues ticket to non-speeding driver.

A UK court on Monday severely penalized a motorist for the crime of showing disrespect to a mobile speed camera van. The device had photographed Sean Toehill, 21, driving 22 MPH in a 40 MPH zone but police became enraged when they noticed he had given the camera a "V-sign." Officers were dispatched to his home two days later to present charges which the Cupar Sheriff Court in Fife, Scotland upheld on Monday. The court suspended Toehill's right to drive for a year and imposed a £90 (US $160) fine.

"I can't believe that speed cameras can be used in this way," Toehill, a North Sea oil worker, told the London Telegraph. "I thought they were to catch speeding drivers."

Toehill plans to appeal the ruling.


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Why...who didn't know the UK could get any crazier??!!

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http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3386933

Gang hired to assassinate boarder patrol.  Ahh our "friends/allies" the Mexican government!

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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_7986.shtml

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Exactly true Briney...good point.  Also a lot of Executive Orders are unjust adn unlawful seeing as the guidelines for those powers are suppose to come UNDER the Constitution.  In the Constitution there is no where in which it states that it can be suspended as seen in the term "UNALIENABLE" (laimens terms = can never be taken away) rights.  So while Bush can try to do this, it would be unAmerican if no one fought him and his Gestopo tactics.  If the Congree or the Supreme Court don't check him then it is up to us as Lincoln once said.  If the government get too much out of control the Patriots of these states have the duty to take back the power and establish a new government.  I know when jackbooted thugs are knocking at my door...I'm knocking back with some firepower.  And the govt can put that in my little (possibly big) file they have on me.

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I don't have time right now to go on a rant over the Google thing, but I can't tell you how infuriated I was when I found out about it.  When a coworker told me about it, I thought they were getting the story wrong.  Surely, the US Government wasn't demanding private intellectual property?

Then, when I found out about Yahoo (and likely MSN) conceding to the DOJ without so much as a warning to its customers, I almost flipped.

Absolutely, positively insane.  This is going to be amazingly good PR for Google.

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I swear I'm not crazy, but we were all just tossing what if ideas around here, and it turns out theres an actual site for mapping out blast zones for nuclear detonations.

http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html

So I decided to check out what would happen if Al-Queda or Bush or whoever decided to bomb the upcoming Super Bowl. If there was a bomb it would probrably be near the power of the bombs that hit Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Lets call it 20 kilotons.  20kt is relatively small in size and could easily be hidden in a vehicle or anywhere in the complex.


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15 psi      Complete destruction of reinforced concrete structures, such as skyscrapers, will occur within this ring. Between 7 psi and 15 psi, there will be severe to total damage to these types of structures.
5 psi      Complete destruction of ordinary houses, and moderate to severe damage to reinforced concrete structures, will occur within this ring.
2 psi      Severe damage to ordinary houses, and light to moderate damage to reinforced concrete structures, will occur within this ring.
1 psi      Light damage to all structures, and light to moderate damage to ordinary houses, will occur within this ring.
0.25 psi      Most glass surfaces, such as windows, will shatter within this ring, some with enough force to cause injury.

I am about 1.6 miles away from Ford field. Here are some other fun statistics of what would be going on if such a blast occured.

Window Breakage 3.2 miles.
Wood-frame Building Destruction 1.5 miles
Max Wind at Distance from Blast 1 mile = 200mph. 3 miles = 50 mph. 10 miles = 5 mph.

I would only recieve about 30 Rads of radiation from the intitial blast. But if I am downwind, 3,000 Rads per hour will be coming down from the particles in the air. 500+ is pretty much fatal. So if I see a flash while watching the game, I pretty much have to start driving immediatly to avoid fallout.

And 20 kt is relatively small, it might even be suitcase size. For the heck of it here is an average sized blast from a 500kt bomb.

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Window Breakage 10 miles.
Wood-frame Building Destruction 5 miles
Max Wind at Distance from Blast 1 mile = 1200! mph. 3 miles = 200 mph. 10 miles = 51 mph.

I would recieve 450 Rads from the initial blast. If i didnt get medical help, I would probrably not last 30 days. Not to mention more than 3,000 Rads per hour would be coming down on anyone downwind of Detroit for 15 miles.

Yea why do we have nuclear weapons again?

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Mutual Assued Destruction...and to keep the Reds from dominating the world....at least that's what the propaga....I mean truth government information that protects me and my loved ones from communism told me.

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http://www.rense.com/general69/ism.htm

Top Russian General says there is no global terrorism and that it's only an excuse for a one world government....hmmm he's a little behind the times there.

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Rense is great hehe.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/23/nsa.strategy/index.html

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During a Washington address, Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, who headed the National Security Agency when President Bush first authorized the surveillance program after September 11, 2001, staunchly defended it.

"Had this program been in effect prior to 9/11, it is my professional judgment that we would have detected some of the 9/11 al Qaeda operatives in the United States and we would have identified them as such," said Hayden, who now serves as principal deputy director of national intelligence.

Addressing privacy concerns prompted by the program, Hayden said, "We know we can only do our job if we have the trust of the American people."


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He knows he needs the trust of the American people, and the only way they were going to keep whatever shred of trust remained was by hiding their unconstitutional activities from us.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20060124/tc_cmp/177103003

Now seriously....why the F do we need this?  Wouldn't it be easier to have a ticket system like in church nurseries if they're worried about child abductions?  What if the machine is broken or miscalculated...do they not get there kid?  What if an aunt from out of town needs to pick up the kid because mom and dad are working?  Shouldn't these teachers and whoever know their kids..in order to promote a positive learning environment?  How many kids, not counting the movies, have been abducted at schools before?

I so hate this country, the people...not the ideals we SHOULD have.

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The new rules authorize the army to set the location for executions "imposed by military courts-martial or military tribunals and authorized by the president of the United States."

"Enemy combatants could be affected by this regulation," said Sheldon Smith, a spokesman for the US Army.

Only 10 war-on-terror detainees have so far been charged and referred to special military commissions for trial, and the United States is not seeking the death penalty in any of those cases.


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Secret Service: Uniformed Division is an oxymoron.  If you're in a uniform, you aren't "secret."  How stupid.

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Bush: Warrantless Surveillance 'Legal... Designed to Protect Civil Liberties'...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/26/D8FCG4P8E.html

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Anyone else watch that press conference this morning?

I roffled. Prez Bush has no speaking skills whatsoever. He just repeats the same mantra over and over.

I got a kick out of line's like: It's MY right to have and use these powers.
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I caught a few minutes of it while at the auto shop.  He was stumbling over himself like a bumbling idiot.  He was borderlining on incoherency at moments.  It was ridiculous and embarrassing.

I hope we get a real candidate in 2008.  The professional politicians are really starting to irk me.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/260106generalhayden.htm

OMFG OBGYN BBQ BOYBB!!!

This is the funniest, or saddest, thing you will ever watch!  Watch the entire thing, even till the end!

This is our government at work.  This is our NSA...at work!

I believe this man should be shot for treason!

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That guy is an idiot.

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Patrick threw this my way.
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The exercise run by the joint Canadian and American command, which defends North American from missile and air attacks, was hampered by "weather issues" and will be redone next week, Canadian Forces Maj. Darren Steele said.

Hundreds of people, including controllers, fighter pilots, an E-3 Airborne Early Warning and Control System aircraft, several civilian aircraft and air refueling tankers took part in the exercise. Wednesday's exercise will be of the same scale.


Side note: on September 11th, there were tests in play that morning that had hijacked planes headed for important targets. A test was run on September 10th that had a plane striking the Pentagon. July 7th of last year when London was bombed, there was a 1,000 person test running that was simulating bombings on the VERY SAME spots that the bombs went off. The guy running the test went on BBC saying how shocked he was because the simulation was exactly what happened.

I'm just sayin.

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MediaMaster wrote on Jan 31st, 2006 at 7:12am:
The exercise run by the joint Canadian and American command... was hampered by "weather issues..."


So, if the weather is bad for the Super Bowl, does that mean NORAD isn't going to do anything?

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http://cqpolitics.com/cq.com/www.cq.com/public/20060131_homeland.html

Oh well thtnk you overlords...I didn't know we stopped Posse Comatatus.  May I return to my death camp, overlords?

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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/politics/13768338.htm

Yes Mine Furrer!  The Propaganda is getting out there sir!  SIG HEIL!

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That's lowdown and dirty, but oddly... appropriate.

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Moments before on the TV show, Bauer had just gained a crucial lead on the nerve gas after threatening to cut out the eyes of a turncoat White House aide who was in league with the terrorists.


Isn't that what the Patriot Act is all about?

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Jack Bauer to Walt Cummings:

"I'm done talking with you, you understand me? Now you read my file. First thing I'm gonna do is take out your right eye, then I'm gonna move over to your left, and then I'm gonna cut you, and I'm gonna keep cutting at you until I get the information that I need. Do you understand me?"

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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/02/intel_pros_say_bush_is_lying_a.html

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utraged intelligence professionals say President George W. Bush is "cheapening" and "politicizing" their work with claims the United States foiled a planned terrorist attack against Los Angeles in 2002.

"The President has cheapened the entire intelligence community by dragging us into his fantasy world," says a longtime field operative of the Central Intelligence Agency. "He is basing this absurd claim on the same discredited informant who told us Al Qaeda would attack selected financial institutions in New York and Washington."

Within hours of the President’s speech Thursday claiming his administration had prevented a major attack, sources who said they were current and retired intelligence pros from the CIA, NSA, FBI and military contacted Capitol Hill Blue with angry comments disputing the President’s remarks.

“He’s full of sh*t,” said one sharply-worded email.


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Any of the surviving rapists should be shot, and the "boyfriends" doubly so.  I don't care what was going on, abandoning your significant other to a few unarmed rapists is total crap.

While we're at it, we should string up the judges, too.  Let them plead their case to Allah...

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http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=4508858

Police chief calls for telescreens....I uhh mean video cameras in private residents.  THE AGE OF THE TELESCREEN IS UPON US...and I for one welcome our new Big Brother overlords....

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/02/patriot_act_headed_for_permane.html

Permanent Patriot Act...write your representatives now.  I already wrote Mr. Upton, Mrs. Stabenow, and Mr. Levin.  Also getting in touch with local and state officials to put pressure on teh federal front works just as well too.  Fight the future my brethern and sistren!
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I for one welcome our new overlords.



Telescreens.

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Writing to Carl Levin is like a kangaroo on a tricycle - it doesn't make any sense.

You've got a better chance of shooting down Perma-Patriot by beating your head on the wall.

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http://stopabductions.com/

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Ya know what's funny...I've been to this site before.  What's also funny is that the helmet actually increases brainwaves not surpresses them ( http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ ), thanks MIT.

It kinda reminds me of the *FLASH* "Quick, hide under your wooden desk to protect you from THE BOMB!"

I have read reports that envoking the name of Jesus Christ can actually stop or hinder alien abduction.  There are a few ufologists, one works for Ken Hamm at his Creation Institute, that theorises that aliens are really demons.  Big, long discussion on this topic....but I don't want to.

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Now we can't critcise Lord Bush?  Or try and teach children not to take things at face value?  I change my mind...we're not getting dumber because the kids are getting dumber....but they're getting stupid from political correctness.  So what if things said were true?  So what if some teacher took a somewhat political stance?  Should we not teach about Nixon and Watergate....isn't that the same thing?  Should we not teach about Hilter...that's teaching a political mind set as well.  If these kids don't like it why don't they stand up and take a defense?  Isn't this teaching critical thinking and actually getting kids insituted with political values and thinking...  Next thing you know....kids will be voting for other people if we don't stop the insantity!

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=b8298706-0abe-421a-01...

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3560566

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=news_worthy....
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I don't think it really matters which side he was criticizing.  The facts are this:

He's paid to teach geography.
He spent at least twenty minutes ranting about an irrelevant issue.

This guy is a libtard and needs to keep his irrelevant political commentary to himself while he's on the clock.  If he was teaching political science or something similar, that would be a totally different issue.

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In her ruling filed last week, U.S. District Judge Rebecca Beach Smith said William Lee's posters at Tabb High School were part of his instructional tools and school curriculum and were subject to school review.

Lee, a Spanish teacher who advises the school's Christian students club, had displayed news articles about
President Bush's religious faith, a National Day of Prayer flier and a depiction of George Washington praying at Valley Forge.

Officials removed the postings from Lee's classroom in 2004 after a parent complained, but they allowed some to stay, including a photo of Boy Scouts praying in memory of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Lee argued that his bulletin boards at the school in Yorktown, about 65 miles southeast of Richmond, were a limited public forum open for teachers' private expression and speech.

Smith disagreed, saying the case "is not about what free-speech rights Lee has as an individual expressing himself on private property. Rather, this case is a question about what free-speech rights Lee has as a public school teacher-employee."

York County Superintendent Steven R. Staples said the ruling reaffirmed both the school board's right to set curriculum and principals' right to guide teachers to choose classroom material that supports it.

Lee's attorney, Steve C. Taylor, didn't immediately return a call for comment.

A spokeswoman for the Rutherford Institute, the Christian-rights group that argued the case on Lee's behalf, said she wouldn't comment until the group has reviewed the ruling.


This is all kinds of wrong.

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Reply #91 - Mar 2nd, 2006 at 2:36pm
 
Isn't that almost the same situation as Pat's? except that he didn't use up 20 mins of on-the-job time? 

Yes, Christianity is almost always singled while other religions (evolution for one) are permitted, but that is a whole different issue.  Today, the teacher's political commentary would be labeled along the same lines as a teacher's religion. (as an opinion)  So, both situations are either right/wrong.

Personally, at this point, I think the solution would be to hire teachers that allow much more discussion in class so there is alot less brainwashing (even though you could be brainwashing them correctly and truthtfully - i think it would be better if they understood why).  Also, parents should take really take an active role in teaching and raising their kids so they can avoid these kinds of problems in the real world.
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The two issues are apples and oranges.  One is an active indoctrination, the other is a poster.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

The poster does not have feelings or emotions.  It does not evoke or elicit anything beyond the intended statement of the original artist.  It's a depiction of a universally uncontested historical event which is entirely appropriate for the setting in question.

Comparing that to a libtard that goes on a twenty-minute diatribe to espouse his personal philosophy is foolhardy at best.

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So if a teacher puts up a bunch of anti-bush posters, pictures, etc.  or say pro-Hitler stuff...you'd be fine with that?  How about another religion such as Satanism?

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Reply #94 - Mar 2nd, 2006 at 3:59pm
 
If you can show me how anti-Bush or satanic posters are logically relevant to a geography class, I'll be more than happy to concede.

The action depicted in the poster in question represented a major turning point in the Revolutionary War.  It's an artist's depiction of a relevant historical event, not some type of religious or political commentary.

It was a symbolic event.  The fledgling American military was near disaster at Valley Forge.  Between the Brits and the horrible winter, American was on the verge of being stillborn.  Washington found strength from his prayer, and it enabled him to keep the Continental Army together.  To say otherwise is to spit on the legacy of our founding fathers.

To be at the brink of death, morale dwindling away, the forces of the enemy closing around, all else seeming to be hopeless, but to find the strength to embolden one to go on and push for victory - that is what this picture is about.  Look again. A truly inspirational moment in our history I say.


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Then how is a Valley Forge poster relevant to Spanish class? 

How are several posters celebrating a certain faith not the same as telling someone your personal views?  It's like WWII propaganda.    The teacher is persuading his student in a non-cirriculum matter.  Both situations have the same effect.

Also, I hardly think a poster exclaiming Bush's religion is curriculum relevant.


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http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_061125200.html

*Stands Up*

I....am and English Speaking American!

Does anyone here that noise....sounds like someone keeps rolling over....in George Orwells grave!

Best line from the article:

I got a new supervisor," said Gray. "He's a politically correct, bleeding heart liberal. I believe in what I'm doing."

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Reply #97 - Mar 3rd, 2006 at 11:40am
 
You should give the guy a call and thank him for standing up for himself.

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I love the title of the article.  "CBS4 Investigates `English Speaking' Sign Flap".  It makes it sound as though they are the defenders of the free world, united together to smite quasi-racists with their flaming swords of divine justice.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060305/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/secret_justice

I like this article for two reasons:

1)  It shows us a lot more of what our own government is taking away from us.  It's a beautiful thing when the government officials we elect and are suppose to hold accountable think they are responsilbe in keeping our "poor lil minds safe from the big bad world".  It reminds me of a Bible quote about hating the light and doing things in the dark because they fear the light.

2) The article talks about a lot of these secret trials being sealed because the person has agreed to testify.  Hmm the government making deals with crooks...that's just good entertainment right there.

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The decision by the United Arab Emirates on Thursday to order state-controlled Dubai Ports World to end its control over US port facilities marks the lowest point yet in the relationship between President George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress.

Mr Bush had warned repeatedly that blocking the deal would send a dangerously discriminatory message to the world. He threatened repeatedly to veto any congressional legislation.

But with his public approval ratings at record lows and his Republican party abandoning him, one of the US’s closest allies in the Arab world concluded that he was no longer in control in Washington.

The decision by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al- Maktoum, the ruler of Dubai, is likely to avert the political backlash that hit Washington last month and may prevent any further damage to diplomatic and security relations between the countries. But it underscored that Mr Bush, who still has nearly three years to go in his second term, has become perilously weak.
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Reply #100 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 10:55pm
 
Maybe if we ask nicely, they'll schedule elections a couple years early.

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No, see we hold the war on November 1 and suspend the elections until the major part of the war is over...unfortunately, Bush is the one to decide it...so I would like to be the first to say...Welcome King Bush, Lord Bush...let us go to Bohemium Grove and worship at the alter of Moloch, a Cainnite owl god...but we'll do it because you oh lord bush are a great Christian....
who worships at an alter of Molloch, a Cainnite owl god.


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It won't happen.  The backbone of America isn't that weak yet.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050714-082628-1346r.htm

What's up with mainstream media...actually reporting the truth?  An article about vaccines and their relation to autism.

http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm

Wonderful compilation about all the "fun" stuff that's injected into you.  These ingrediates are going into our grandparents, parents, kids, and even us!

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Reply #104 - Mar 16th, 2006 at 4:07pm
 
Hey Stewie, here's some conspiracy fodder for your fire.

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Feds probe photographers at Sears Tower

Tribune staff reports
Published March 15, 2006, 10:38 PM CST


Police and federal investigators are looking into an incident about three weeks ago at the Sears Tower in which three men caught the attention of security guards when they got out of their car and appeared to be studying the 110-story building and taking photographs.

The men were questioned by building security guards, but were allowed to leave, authorities said. The guards recorded the car's license plate and it was traced to a rental agency, a law enforcement source said.

The car was returned to the agency about an hour after the incident at the Sears Tower, the source said, and investigators from the Joint Terrorism Task Force learned that it had been rented with a fictitious name.

Chicago Police Department spokeswoman Monique Bond confirmed that the department is working with the task force to investigate, but added that she could not discuss the specifics of the incidents.

"We are aware of the information," Bond said. "We cannot comment at this time because it's part of the ongoing investigation."

Also within the last three weeks, according to a WLS-TV report, a man was questioned about sketching the Boeing World Headquarters building.


Here's another story to get your wheels spinning.  The USAF launched the biggest air campaign in Iraq since the invasion in 2003.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1215594,00.html?f=dta

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Reply #105 - Mar 16th, 2006 at 7:58pm
 
Sears Tower is owned by Larry Silverstein who owned the Twin Towers. He collected a ton of insurance from it too.

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Reply #106 - Mar 17th, 2006 at 9:26am
 
Here's a really loud way to "Cry Freedom."

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NEWPORT NEWS, Va., March 15, 2006 -- The nation's tenth and final Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, George H. W. Bush (CVN 77), grew by nearly 800 tons today as Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) lowered the upper bow section of the ship into place. The addition of the upper bow completes the flight deck and extends the overall length of the carrier to its full size, which is as long as the Empire State Building is tall.

The carrier is under construction at Northrop Grumman's Newport News sector, the nation's sole designer, builder and refueler of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Weighing 780 tons and made up of 25 steel sections, the upper bow is one of the heaviest crane lifts in the ship's production plan. Newport News began construction on the upper bow unit last February.

"Landing the fully-outfitted upper bow on the ship is a significant milestone in the design and construction of CVN 77, and most importantly, a great team effort by our shipbuilders," said Scott Stabler, vice president for the CVN 77 program at Northrop Grumman Newport News. "We are on track for record shipboard construction progress at launch in October."

Newport News is building the George H. W. Bush using modular construction, a process where smaller sections of the ship are welded together to form units called super lifts. These super lifts are pre-outfitted and then lifted into the construction dry dock with the sector's massive 900-ton gantry crane. The upper bow unit is the 155th of 161 super lifts used to build the carrier. It joins the lower bow section which was set into place in the dry dock nearly one year ago.

The George H. W. Bush is the second carrier to have a new bulbous bow design that provides more buoyancy to the forward end of the ship and improves hull efficiency. Other new design features include an updated aviation fuel distribution system, a new marine sewage system and new propellers. The George H. W. Bush's keel was laid Sept. 6, 2003. The christening will occur in October 2006 with delivery to the U.S. Navy in late 2008.


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Think thats kewl? Wait until you see the CVN(X). New generation reactors with in-cycle fuel breeding which mean that they will last the life of the ship. Also is going to use a pottasium vapor colant loop spinning magnetic bearting turbo-alternators. It's going to have more then twice the electrical power avalible to the Nimitz class. It's electric drive motors will be much less maintnance intensive then the Nimitz but make it a much faster ship. Crew should be cut in half while the air wing is going to grow by about 20 combat air craft.

The CVN(X) is going to be one hell of a ship, although with the coming age of naval rail guns I can't help but wonder if the age of the carrier is going to come to an end when we get around to making a nuclear powered version of the DD(X) with 2nd generation rail guns. 600 miles inland, 3 minutes flight time, less then $3000 a shot, that will be a revolutionary ship.


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Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse" is going to be turned into a movie.  Hopefully, it won't suck as badly as Sum of All Fears.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499097/

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600 mile inland shots?  Holy fucking shit....

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This woman is a gun-grabbing libtard.  I hope she gets nailed to the wall over this.

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Congresswoman McKinney Punches Police Officer... MORE... Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector, HOTLINE reports... The entire incident is on tape. The cop is pressing charges and the USCP are waiting until Congress adjourns to arrest her, a source claims... Developing...


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Last Call: McKinney Punches Police Officer

As first reported in Hotline's Last Call!:

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector.

Members are not required to pass through metal detectors and the officer, manning a position at Longworth House Office Building, apparently did not recognize McKinney and didn't see her Member pin.

The officer called out "Ma'am, Ma'am," in an attempt to stop her.

When the officer caught up to McKinney, he grabbed her by the arm.

McKinney pulled her arm away, swung around, cell phone in hand, and punched the officer square in the chest, according to the witness.

McKinney's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


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Reply #110 - Mar 31st, 2006 at 9:29am
 
Pat, you should be all over this bad boy.  I don't know why it disappeared from WorldNetDaily's website.  It went from "Breaking News" to completely gone almost immediately, but you can still read it if you know the article number.  I copied it below, also.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49510 to read it.

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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Federal judge rules: McVeigh had help
Bolsters claims government had informant inside conspiracy to attack federal building

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Posted: March 30, 2006
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By J.D .Cash, Roger Charles



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A U.S. District Court judge in Salt Lake City, Utah, has issued a stunning decision that appears to bolster claims that executed bomber Timothy McVeigh was supported by various militia groups, and that the government had an informant inside the bombing conspiracy.

The case in Utah grew out of a dispute between civil attorney Jesse Trentadue and the Oklahoma City FBI over documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.


For over a decade, Trentadue has been searching for documents that might shed light on the death of his brother at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, in August of 1995.

The federal government maintains that Kenneth Trentadue killed himself in a suicide-proof cell at the Oklahoma City federal installation, where he was being held on a purported parole violation for failing to report to his parole officer.

In the course of this investigation, Trentadue received "tips" from various sources, including one allegedly from a source close to McVeigh, before McVeigh's execution.

That source said that McVeigh told him that Kenneth Trentadue was beaten, tortured and murdered because the FBI mistakenly believed he was linked to a group of bank bandits that considerable evidence now suggests, assisted McVeigh in the plot to bomb the Oklahoma federal building.

The FOIA suit began after heavily redacted documents obtained by this newspaper, from an FBI whistleblower, confirmed McVeigh's links to Elohim City and informants working for the Southern Poverty Law Center who were present at the paramilitary compound on April 17, 1995, when McVeigh called the camp looking for German-national Andreas Strassmeir and additional help in the bombing.

While heavily redacted, that Jan. 4, 1996, teletype from then-FBI director Louis Freeh to a select group of FBI offices contained information appearing to link Strassmeir to McVeigh and the FBI's knowledge that Strassmeir was planning to flee the country soon.

Inexplicably, the FBI did not go to the residence where the memo said Strassmeir was living in Black Mountain, N.C., and detain the individual for questioning about the bombing. Instead, Strassmeir – with the help on his Black Mountain, N.C. attorney, Kirk Lyons, and former CIA pilot Dave Holloway – was able to slip across the Mexican border a few days after the teletype was issued.

Since the discovery of this heavily redacted document linking the SPLC, Elohim City and Strassmeir to McVeigh and the bombing conspiracy, the FBI has since produced 17 additional documents for Trentadue. However, key sections of those documents were also heavily redacted.

Seeking to have the FBI provide unredacted copies of these additional documents, Trentadue has claimed the FBI has a duty to make a full disclosure of who their informants and suspects in the bombing were, because the national interest in the Oklahoma City bombing, far outweighs any privacy interests those informants and suspects may have had.

In order to determine the validity of the claims made by both sides, the FBI was ordered in November to turn over unredacted copies of all the documents at issue for the judge to examine "in chambers."

Considering Trentadue's allegations about his brother's mysterious and violent death, the judge early in his opinion observed: "While officials ruled the death a suicide, the Plaintiff unearthed significant evidence of foul play. Plaintiff's theory is that his brother apparently looked very similar to Richard Lee Guthrie, who allegedly was one of Timothy McVeigh's accomplices in the Oklahoma City bombing and a member of the Mid-West Bank Robbery Gang. Plaintiff believes that his brother was killed during an overly aggressive interrogation by federal agents – who believed Kenneth Trentadue was Richard Lee Guthrie.

Later in his summary of the facts, Judge Dale Kimball also noted that Guthrie was later apprehended by authorities and he, too, is said to have committed suicide his jail cell while in federal custody.

After reviewing the unredacted documents provided by the FBI, Kimball singled out a teletype issued by the FBI, only six days after the blast.

"Plaintiff points out the fact that this document indicates there was an undercover operative in with Timothy McVeigh and members of the various militia groups who aided and supported McVeigh, but plaintiff wonders why, given the subject matter, there are no earlier records produced by the FBI."

Contacted after the ruling was issued, Trentadue told this newspaper that he is heartened by the language the judged used here, which clearly indicates the unredacted documents convinced the court that McVeigh had accomplices that have not been charged and the government had at least one informant within the cabal.

"The judge concurs with my allegations that McVeigh was supported by this bank robbery group at Elohim City and that the government was inside that group with at least one informant."


The court, though, sided with the FBI in refusing to allow the release of the names of the other suspects or their informants that provided them with information about the conspiracy.

In his 22-page ruling, Kimball said, "(FOIA) Exemption 7D protects records of information compiled for law enforcement purposes which could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source or information furnished by a confidential source."

Regarding the FBI's reluctance to provide the information sought by Trentadue, Kimball wrote, "It is troubling that so many of the documents produced by the FBI refer to FD-302s (investigation leads) that were or should have been prepared, and the disclosed documents also refer to other attachments that at one time appear to have accompanied the document, yet these documents have not been produced. While the FBI's failure to discover documents is not necessarily and indication of bad faith, it is puzzling that so many documents could be referenced but not produced."

Focusing on Morris Dees and the organization he co-founded, the SPLC, the judge ordered the FBI to conduct additional record searches for documents containing the names of Morris Dees, the SPLC and several radical members of the far-right that frequented Elohim City and that have been linked in the past to McVeigh.

Encouraging the FBI to fully cooperate with attorney Trentadue in his dogged search for the truth around his brother's murder, Kimball warned the agency: "It appears likely, however, that the FBI has not seen the last FOIA request from Plaintiff."

One senior, retired FBI agent who read only the paragraph quoted above from the judge's ruling said that the judge's finding that there was an informant and a broader conspiracy than heretofore admitted by the government makes even more inexplicable the FBI headquarters' shutting down all investigations into the Elohim City connection to OKBOMB.

He further stated that it would be "a huge scandal" if it is ever proven that Strassmeir's name is among those currently withheld as having been guaranteed confidentiality as an informant.


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Oh and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

New media on the day of the OKC bombing reported multiple devices that appeared to be secondary devices.  These reports were later not even mentioned and no mention of whether or not the secondary devices were in fact explosives however reports from three seperate news media in OKC area had reports of police quarentineening off areas and sending in bomb squads, also there is a video of police on the sceen telling people to clear the area of another explosive.  Where did these reports go?  Why no follow up?!

If you look at the ground zero point where the supposed UHaul filled with explosives are there is no hole in the ground.  Later reports in newspapers show a hole....but only in drawings, anyfootage of that day shows no blast.  An explosition that takes out an entire side of the buidling would at least do something to the road it was parked on.  None whatsoever.  Also the parking lot directly across from building is completely untouched.  No cars exploded or on fire, no singe marks for a massive explosition, the buidling isn't even touched.  Also people working the day of the attack in the building across from the Fed building reported 2 explosions of the same intensity one right after another.  Secondary explosions?  Well if you look at how the fed building was built that was a perfect way to take out half the building if you put two charges on the support beams.

Also McVeigh was known to have help.  The gas station attendent saw him come in with John Doe number 2, as you've stated, but no one seems to care about this supposed Muslim person.  Kinda like how no one cares how WTC 7 came down.

I have videos for all this and if you guys want to download them I can tell you where to find them.  If not, and you don't care that much, I won't post them now.

All I want to say is if we just take a look at the facts here we see how the globalists further advanced their control over America with this attack, leading to the 9/11 attacks.  However people don't want to even think their govt would do something so inhuman.  Sure they'll complain about taxes and the govt doing stupid things but we cannot question or even consider that our govt is not in control of what happens in this country.  Also don't watch the History Channels' special on the OKC bombing "conspiracies" they are just white washing the entire debate with the crap they put out.  Wait a minute, our media and our govt controlled by others, oh come take up Morning Star and lead us into more darkness.  Let to One rise who will control all the nations for a time and we will follow him who will set himself up as god!

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As long as it isn't Alex Jones, I'll gladly take some video URLs.  That guy is a freakin' lunatic.

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Tucson, Arizona | Published: 03.31.2006

Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

"I know (they) shouldn't have burned the Mexican flag," said Jacob Stewart, a 16-year-old sophomore. "I heard it was raised above the American flag and that just irked me."
He said the turbulence was tied to debates going on in the state Legislature and Congress, where ideas ranging from offering illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship to making them felons are being floated.

Freshman Chelsea Garcia, 15, and junior Brittany Ramage, 16, said the unrest had more to do with long-running racial tensions at the school.
The week's events might have sparked some anger, Ramage said, "but kids aren't too deep about that stuff."

The Hispanic student who brought the Mexican flag said he was responding to a remark directed at him Wednesday. The flag-raising, flag-burning, and shoving match that followed happened before most students arrived at school.

Six students — three Hispanic and three white — will be disciplined, Principal Chad Wilson said.
Officials with the Apache Junction Unified School District would not specify what punishment the six face.

Wilson did say in a letter sent home to parents that there would be "increased supervision, including additional police officers, on the campus over the next couple of days."
School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this week, including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus' U.S. and state flags.

A new political awareness among students has also been grabbing attention, as thousands have walked out on classes to join rallies in Phoenix and elsewhere. More than 100 students from Mesa's Carson Junior High and Westwood High schools marched in protest on Mesa streets Tuesday.


www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555




It annoys me greatly that American society can minimalize the outrage of a foreign flag being hoisted on U.S. soil, and then act like it is a crime to do anything about it.

Just like everyone else on this forum, my ancestry started some place other than America.  My origins are primarily Irish.  But you know what?  That doesn't make me Irish American and that doesn't give me the right to fly the Irish flag above the American flag on a public flagpole.  I'm an American and I act like it.  What makes Mexican immigrants sacrosanct from the same conditions that have applied to European and Asian immigrants for 400 years?

Screw Mexico and screw the Mexican flag.  If they want to fly that rag, they can take it back souh of the border and run it up their own flagpole.  If Mexico is so great, why aren't their "patriotic" butts down there instead of up here?

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b0b wrote on Mar 30th, 2006 at 10:55am:
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Apparently, an arrest warrant will be issued for McKinney. 

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8343403/detail.html

One of the articles I was reading made reference to the greatest exchange I've ever read...

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"I would not make a big deal of this," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., responded: "How many officers would have to be punched before it becomes a big deal?"


Bahahahaha, I love it!

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http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/story.html?id=65bee20c-b7b9-46ca-87c7-7477...

This is happening in America too people!  Bush is trying to get more laws passed through Congress to force parents to med their kids, and if not you loose you kid!

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Government Says Aspartame Is Good For You
AP calls study independent, omits previous human studies showing Aspartame danger

The deadly toxin Aspartame which is included in more than 6,000 food and drink products around the world is good for you according to a new government study. The Associated Press falsely labels the results as independent and omits referencing previous human studies undertaken by groups with no corporate or government ties that concluded the opposite.

Associated Press health correspondent Marilynn Marchione seems to revel in suggesting the study is beyond reproach because it uses human subjects rather than rats.

"A huge federal study in people -- not rats -- takes the fizz out of arguments that the diet soda sweetener aspartame might raise the risk of cancer," smarms the article in an attempt to discredit last year's Italian study which linked aspartame to an increased risk of leukaemias and lymphomas in female lab rats "at doses very close to the acceptable daily intake for humans."

In putting the study in this context, the Associated Press has lied by omission. Numerous independent controlled studies (not ones conducted by corporations or government) using human subjects have concluded that aspartame is deadly. They are Camfield (1992), Elsas (1988), Gulya (1992), Koehler (1988), Kulczycki (1995), Spiers (1988), Van Den Eeden (1994), Walton (1993). Why doesn't the AP mention any of these studies?

Why doesn't the AP mention the fact that "out of 90 independently-funded studies, 83 of them found one or more
problems caused by aspartame. But out of the 74 studies funded by the aspartame industry (e.g., Monsanto, G.D. Searle, ILSI, etc.), every single one of them claimed that no problems were found?"

The AP immediately draws the conclusion that the study was, "done by reputable researchers independent of any funding or ties to industry groups."

The AP cites the Center For Science in the Public Interest as praising the results of the study. CFSPI is a Rockefeller front organization that also receives funding from Ted Turner's Nuclear Threat Initiative. Its board of directors is also littered with former government henchmen, including former FDA officials.

Having the federal government conduct studies that heavily impact profits of major corporations depending on the results and calling them independent is like Charles Manson being judged by Jeffrey Dahmer. In the 21st century of corporate fascism the two are inseparable from one another.

The Aspartame controversy is noted for the fact that it explicitly connects government conflicts of interest with corporations. Donald Rumsfeld became the chief executive officer of a worldwide pharmaceutical G.D. Searle & Company (later bought out by Monsanto) in 1977, 12 years after aspartame was discovered by G.D. Searle chemist James Schlatter.

A story by Rishi Mehta, associate commentary editor for the University of Connecticut Daily Campus newspaper, points out the following: “In 1981, after over 15 years of FDA disapproval of aspartame, Rumsfeld said in a Searle sales meeting that he would use ‘political rather than scientific means’ to finally get FDA approval. Only 20 days later, Ronald Reagan was sworn in as 40th President of the United States, appointing Rumsfeld as Special Envoy to the Middle East and Arthur Hayes Hull Jr. - a friend of Rumsfeld's - to FDA commissioner."

If one of the most influential members of the current administration has publicly stated that he would use political pressure to force the acceptance of aspartame would it would therefore overwhelmingly be in the interest of a federal government study to conclude that the use of aspartame was acceptable?

Yes.

Therefore the study is not independent and it is not credible.

Futhermore, the FDA has been caught in the past removing negative data from government studies that indicated aspartame was dangerous to humans.

According to consumer rights group Mission Possible, "Since its 1981 approval, the FDA has published a list of 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning, which includes headaches, vision loss including blindness, seizures, neurological problems, cardiovascular problems and death. The FDA admits adverse reactions to aspartame comprise about 80 percent of consumer complaints it receives each year."

Proponents of aspartame are like the idiots in the 50's who said there were no health dangers in smoking. Moves by British parliamentarians and bills such as one in New Jersey calling for the outright banning of aspartame in all foods should be supported and this poison-peddling industry shut down.
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"An MIT student accused of copyright infringement has been documenting her struggles with the RIAA. Upon trying to negotiate her settlement, a representative told her that "the RIAA has been known to suggest that students drop out of college or go to community college in order to be able to afford settlements."

Posted on Slashdot.

This is just ridiculous.  I'm going to charge people 100 billion dollars to breath air.  Only 13 people could pay me...there the globablists have their goal of depopulating earth to around 500 million...500 million....13...about the same number.

"I want to come back as a flesh eating virus." - Ted Turner

As well as this new article.  http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/14255288.htm

The globalists have been saying this since about the 1940s in the public arena.  Why?  Well what are people going to do about it?  Oh please this is only some wacky conspiracy theory!

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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-04-06T1...

It seems to me that the person testifying here a) has no relavence to the case and b) should be sitting in the defendent's seat.

I would ask him why he was in WTC 7.  Why there was a command bunker there?  How did it collapse because no plane hit it and it just  had two small fires?  Who else was with him in the command bunker?  How did it feel to remotely control those planes into the buildings?  What he's getting out of killing 2,000 of his own country men and women?

This guy's more guilty than Moussaoui is.  He's just a patsy for people to blame.  I would like to follow the body, when he gets killed.  To see if they even kill him and not just make it appear so and give him a new ID and some surgery.

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http://www.ajc.com/print/content/epaper/editions/today/news_44437aaa906db0c7003f...

Oh man who called this one!?  *Raises hand...looks up at it...* oh that's right...ME!

Man don't you hate it when I'm right about these things.  Good thing our grandparents and children (well not ours but ours in the collectiveness of ours)!

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X wrote on Apr 8th, 2006 at 3:48am:


Hey Pat, did you check out the link that's attached to that article?  It might be one of the scariest things I've ever read.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,68894-0.html

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Yeah I've heard of that before.  Basically it says the government can classify your patent as top secret and use it for themselves.  Thus you have no ownership of your idea.  Yep, this is EXACTLY what our Founding Fathers wanted when they established the patent system in America.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article...

A firm hyped up a disease's effects to sell more drugs...kinda like the "deadly" flu virus.

In other news the globalists are talking out of both sides of their mouths, so as not to show their forked tounges.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aAEb1RS0TMvg

Hilary Clinton - "The rich are getting richer".  Ummm isn't she in good standing with the whole wealth thing?  This is another thing I don't understand about liberals.  They want to redistribute wealth from those fats cats....WHEN THEY ARE THE FAT CATS!

Sorry to say, Cait, but your view on women seems to be crumbling.  Of course I have to apoligize to all women for comparing them to Hilary.  I apoligize.

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This blog is about raising my son Yousuf in the occupied Gaza Strip while working as a journalist, and everything that entails from potty training to border crossings. Together, we endure a lot, and the personal becomes political. This is our story.

Monday, April 10, 2006


The Earth is Closing in on Us


The shells keep falling. They’ve gotten inside my head, so that its not just my house shaking but but my brain throbbing. It’s like someone is banging a gong next to my ear every few minutes; sometimes 5 times a minute, like last night. And just when I savor a few moments of silence, it starts again as if to say “you're not going to get away that easily.”

We went to sleep to the rattling of our windows and invasive pounding and after-echo of the shells. We sleep as they fall. We pray fajir, and they fall again. We wake, and they are still falling. When they are closer, when they fall in Shija'iya east of Gaza City, they make my stomach drop. And I want to hide, but I don't know where.

The Earth is Closing in on Us.

That's the thing about occupation-it invades even your most private of spaces. And while the shells were falling inside my head, they also killed little Hadil Ghabin today.

A shell landed on her home in Beit Lahiya, shattering her helpless body and injuring 5 members of her family, including Hadil's pregnant mother, Safia, and her 19-year-old sister.

My headeaches seem inconsequential when I think of little Hadil. Sometimes people here say they prefer death to this existence; you’ll frequently here at funerals: “Irta7at”…she’s more comfortable now anyhow-what was there to live for here?”

The Earth is squeezing us
I wish we were its wheat
so we could die and live again.


That has become our sad reality. Death provides relief.

Sometimes it feels like we are all in some collective torture room; who is playing God with us this night, I wonder? When I look up into the sky, and hear the shells, or see the faceless helicopter gunships cruising intently through the moonlit sky, I wonder, do they see me?

And when the shells start falling again, I can’t help but imagine some beside-himself with boredom 18-year-old on the border, lighting a cig or SMSing his girlfriend back in Tel Aviv “just a few more rounds to go hon.….give it another whirl, Ron, its been 2 minutes already.”

Sometimes, when I’m on edge, I might just yell out and wave my arms at them.

Do they hear me?

We decided to escape this evening to my father’s farm in central Gaza, where we roasted potatoes and warmed tea on a small mangal, as we listened to thikr about the Prophet on the occasion of his mawlid from a nearby mosque, under the ominous roars of fighter jets, patrolling the otherwise lonely skies above.

“Where are you heading off to?” asked Osama, the shopkeeper downstairs. “Off to the farm. We’re suffocating,” I replied, Yousuf tugging at my arm… “mama…Yallah! Yallah!”

“Wallah Laila, we’re not just suffocating…we’re asphyxiating. I feel I can’t breathe anymore. And my head is pounding and pounding. All I hear is BOOM boom now.”

The Earth is Closing in on Us.


And little Hadil is dead.

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If I've learned one thing this week is that you can show a picture of Jesus crapping on President Bush but you can't show Muhammed giving someone a slamon helmet.

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A salmon helmet?  Am I missing something?

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Apparently, you're right.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060412/wl_uk_afp/britainusmilitary

Hmm a British person being sent to an American terrorist prison.  Oops I'm sorry let me rephrase that last part.  It's an American military enemy combatant concentration camp!  Does this make sense to anyone?  Can we now rewrite any law to make people, even people from different countries who aren't engaging in terrorism but in a crime that should have even been possible to commit?  Well that's exactly what they can do with the Patriot Act's definition of what terrorism is ("all crimes" = terrorism...look it up).  How about you slap this guy on the wrist by not paying him to tell you and to show you how to fix the "most secure system that should ever be".

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Stewie, Briney, are you guys up for a road trip?

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

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This article has been out for a while bob.  Also I have his presentation in powerpoint and I have the video of him giving it to his class.

Also I would never step foot onto BYU unless it was to witness to them.  They are scary people.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/04/19/cstillwe...

Remeber people...it's wrong to question the government!

Civil rights just get in the way of safety and justice.

Give your soul over to the devil...I mean Karl Rove...I mean...us.

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X wrote on Apr 18th, 2006 at 12:18pm:
This article has been out for a while bob.  Blah blah blah...


I wasn't referring to the article itself, but to the conference being held in Chicago that is listed at the top of the article.

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“9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future—An International Education and Strategy Conference.”

It will be held at the Embassy Suites Hotel Chicago-O'Hare Rosemont, June 2-4, 2006.


Are any of you guys up for some Chi-town madness?

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"I wasn't referring to the article itself, but to the conference being held in Chicago that is listed at the top of the article."

I apologize, sir.  My mistake.

They're probably holding it there because that's the one place the globalists won't nuke.  Also the "fine" mayor of Chi-town probably will get his mafiaosos to set up "free speech zones", those are places where you are ALLOWED to have free speech.  Ha ha ha...Not funny but...ha ha ha ha.

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Considering the entire conference is aimed at conspiracy theorists, I doubt it'll be an issue.  Besides, it's at a conference center, not at the Republican National Convention.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060427/ap_on_go_co/katrina_congress_17;_ylt=Ahwv96M...

This is both good and bad news.  Good news is FEMA would not be able to take over the highways and media in a martial law situations, they could not force citizens to work at government communes, or suspend travel.  The bad news is with the Patriot Act, there's no more point to have FEMA.

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I don't see how that can be good news.  If they eliminated FEMA, they'd just replace them with another ABC agency with the same power, the same people, and the same problems.

If you think the government is going to dissolve FEMA's powers in "emergencies," you're out of your mind.  It'd be tantamount to Bill Gates giving away every last penny of his wealth simply because he "doesn't want it anymore."

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President George W. Bush said he would like to close the U.S.-run prison at Guantanamo Bay -- a step urged by several U.S. allies -- but was awaiting a Supreme Court ruling on how suspects held there might be tried.


"Of course Guantanamo is a delicate issue for people. I would like to close the camp and put the prisoners on trial," Bush said in comments to German television to be broadcast on Sunday night. The interview was recorded last week.
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Here's a roughly translated version of a letter sent to President Bush by Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad, the president of Iran.  It's a little rough to wallow through, but well worth your time.  He makes some excellent points.

http://www.TWNCommunications.Net/Other/BushLetter.pdf

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Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God,
Feel obliged to respect human rights,
Present liberalism as a civilization model,
Announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs,
Make “War and Terror” his slogan,
And finally,
Work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which
Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern,
But at the same time,
Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on
the slight chance of the … of a … criminals in a village city, or convoy for example the entire
village, city or convey set ablaze.
Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around
one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed,
close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens
broken, and the country pushed back perhaps fifty years. At what price? Hundreds of billions
of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of
thousands of young men and women – as occupation troops – put in harms way, taken away
from family and love ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much
psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide ant those returning home suffer
depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of aliments; while some are killed and
their bodies handed of their families.


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Yes, he just might have a brain.  Its an interesting read and he makes some good points.  I hope that soon, his country can sustain its own army to be able to protect its country so that they then wont have that problem.
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Iran would have absolutely no problem sustaining a standing army if they'd stop sending troops and resources to the insurgents in Iraq.  It's hard to create a solid force if they keep dying one by one on foreign soil.

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Yea...Kinda like us right now?  We have bamillions of troops in so many foreign countries.  If we put them back in America and used them in Iraq, it may be over sooner.  Plus, all these cities who thrived on the military bases that had to shut down...would still be running.
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Those are two separate issues.  Base closings have nothing to do with our involvement in foreign theaters.  Quite the opposite, actually.

You can't really compare our military standing with that of Iran.  Sure, we're spread thin, but American's aren't dying left and right.  Compared to other nations, our death rate is virtually nil.

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Well, if we wern't all over the country, would we not have troops at those bases b0b?

And true, we can't compare really to other countries, but there are some similarities.  Our death rate may be low, but its still there sadly enough.
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texfrost wrote on May 11th, 2006 at 12:01am:
Well, if we wern't all over the country, would we not have troops at those bases b0b?


No.  The bases were "realigned," meaning the resources were shifted to other existing bases.  The overall capacity has not been diminished, it's simply been collected into fewer, larger bases.  Think of it as "putting all your eggs in one basket," proverbially speaking.

It was a smart move economically, but a freakin' retarded move in terms of security.  The heartland is completely unprotected by federal bases.  Should a large scale invasion occur, the heartland would have to rely on the National Guard (may God help us all) and armed citizens like... well... us.


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And true, we can't compare really to other countries, but there are some similarities.  Our death rate may be low, but its still there sadly enough.


Yes, the death rate is there, but it's somewhere around 250-300 soldiers per year.  As tragic as that may be, it's statistically irrelevant in terms of standing military strength.

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Theres no large scale invasion in the works. Well, maybe China... hehe.

I wonder where our overinflated budget is going right now, cause we are reducing troop levels all over. Seriously the current expendatures are around 484 billion dollars, but past contracts and commitments put the actual figure near a trillion dollars.

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I know what you mean about feeling like a jerk...but it is true.  Sad, but true.

So, basically, we just decided to take down what we established in WWII? {isn't sure} to be able to protect the country?  Which is also what the armories were for, that are shutting down?  Ugh.... I need to buy a bigger and better gun.
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If ever (capable) citizen owned a simple assault rifle and a handful of ammo, we wouldn't need any freakin' armories.  Even an SKS and some surplus South African ammo would be sufficient.  What does that cost?  $200 tops?

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Ok Mr. Several times over...care to share?  You know what my weaponry consists of.  I have nothing auto...or semiauto for that matter
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What am I sharing?  My collection?

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Are you kidding me?  I'm hotter than stellar fusion.

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Stellar fusion.  You know, the fusion of stellars.

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That's not really a hymn, pat.

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It could be...for the secular world that has copyrighted Santa as a staple for the season...just like "That's hot" (C) Paris Hilton.

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This is possibly the funniest American Imperialist rant I've ever read.  The guy is way off base on a lot of things, but he makes an interesting point about the Air Force.

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http://www.exile.ru/2002-September-06/war_nerd.html

Last column I asked readers to suggest wars that'd be more fun for the US to get involved in than Colombia. I got some great answers -- and thanks everybody who wrote in -- but when I looked into the options they suggested, I just got depressed. Because I realized that we're not going to do any of these cool military adventures -- and even if we did, it'd be for all the wrong reasons.

Take my favorite reader's suggestion: the US invades Saudi Arabia. I'll call it "the Korshak Strategy" in honor of Stefan Korshak of Kiev, who explained the plan better than I could. So, in Stefan's own words, here's the Korshak Strategy, or Why the US Should Invade Saudi Arabia:

1. "We take over about a third of the world's petroleum. (If we're really smart we keep it government-owned and out of the hands of the oil companies, so gas prices stay low, but that's probably too much to hope for.)
2. We kick that evil corrupt Ibn Saud family out on the street, which even foam-at-the-mouthers like the Persians or the Pakistanis would love.
3. We would have no trouble getting allies. Even the French would probably play ball. Probably the Russians and Chinese. Every one hates the Saudis.
4. The desert is the best place for U.S. weapons.
5. Their army is small, and we know exactly how to blow it to bits, as it's almost all our equipment and our training.
6. No chance of a sticky guerrilla war. The Saudis have no population to speak of, just some rich dudes whose assets are out of country, a mess of Palestinian and Indian gastarbeiter, and Bedouin who could care less who's in a Riyadh palace, as long as they get left the fuck alone."

OK, is that a great plan or what? Stefan, you should be doing briefings for the JCOS. What a perfect Imperial twist it would be, America booting the Saudis out and taking over the world's biggest gas station! It's the kind of thing the British did brilliantly. They'd pamper a corrupt local dynasty like the Ibn Sauds for generations, then, when everybody hated them British regulars would march in like saviors, send the puppets into exile, and make the place an outright colony -- and they'd be doing it for the good of everybody!

I wish, Stefan. I wish the US was capable of something so beautiful, effective and direct. But it just ain't.

That's why it sucks being an American militarist: somebody comes up with a great idea like Stefan's and you go, "Yeah! Let's do it!" -- but before you can even get a good head of war-mongering up, the bastards in Washington do something so sleazy and anti-American you can't help but realize the sad truth: none of the jerks who run this country, not even the ones who get called "hawks," or the ones running the US military, really want America to kick ass.

They want to make money or they want to push their own weird religious agendas, or both -- usually both. But none of them really like America.

Look, I don't enjoy saying this. Nobody's more disgusted about it than me. An America that kicked ass, that really ruled the world the way we could -- that's all I dream about.

What else have I got? Fresno in August. Fat, sweaty and alone. You can turn the air conditioning up to full when you're home, but at the office they keep it at an "energy-saving" 76 degrees. "Energy-saving" -- yeah, as in "let the wage slaves sweat as long as we save on our power bill." You can't keep your coat on at that temperature, and when you take it off the white shirt makes you look even fatter. I see myself reflected in the windows everytime I go pick up a fax from the machine, and it's like this instant wake up call: whoa, that's me, that fat guy with the stained armpits? Whoa. No wonder.

You finish the stupid workday finally. You get in the car trying not to burn your thighs on the redhot plastic seat. The car's been sitting in the sun all day. It's got its own little greenhouse effect going, it's about 157 degrees when you get in, and the AC doesn't kick in until you're home. You drive home through about two million Mexican kids selling shit in the middle of the street, drag yourself up the stairs into the duplex, turn up the AC and click on CNN hoping for some real kickass military news...and what do you get?

Well yesterday I heard a story so incredibly depressing it stands on its own as an example of why the US could never do anything as beautiful as Stefan's plan.

You remember how, on 9/ll, the Air Force couldn't manage to get a single fighter up in time to intercept the hijacked planes, right? Turns out there was a total of 12 -- TWELVE -- fighters assigned to defend the whole of the US. And those were -- you guessed it -- National Guard. So America was guarded by 12 planes piloted by dentists, claims adjusters or copier repairmen.

Then yesterday the USAF admitted something even more sickening: if they had managed to get any fighters into the air in time (which they didn't), they were planning to order the pilots to crash their planes into the hijacked airliners, because there were no air-to-air weapons to arm them with.

American kamikazes! Sure, it's a good movie title -- but Christ, didn't all of us wage-slave suckers pay billions of tax dollars for whole arsenals full of every air-to-air weapon Raytheon or Lockheed or Hughes ever came up with? Didn't the USAF brag up the AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile), the "Slammer," as the biggest thing since look-down shoot-down?

The AMRAAM ($400,000 per unit) has been in service since 1991. It's had 12 separate production runs. More than 800 have been test-fired. There are tens of thousands of them sitting in bunkers all over the world.

Fighter pilots love the AMRAAM, brag about how it can accelerate to Mach 4 in a second and hit chaff-dropping targets 30k away. It's so aggressive and deadly that pilots call it the "Go Get'em Fido" missile.

But where was Fido when those Akbars were crashing a Boeing into the Pentagon? They were all over the world -- with one exception: there were none available to defend America. Apparently nobody thought of saving a few missiles for "homeland defense."

It's like a sick joke: the same USAF penpushers who lobbied the AMRAAM through Congress were sitting in the Pentagon when a hijacked jet smashed into it. And even after that -- after a whole wing of their own HQ was hit and burning -- the Pentagon still couldn't find a single AMRAAM-armed fighter jet to send up.

Hell, the USAF didn't really even need AMRAAMs. Sidewinders would've done fine -- even the Sparrow, the dog of American AA missiles, would've worked against a slow blimp target like a passenger jet. A burst from a 20mm nose cannon would've done the job. But they couldn't even manage that.

You can look through a thousand years of military history and you'll never find a strategic failure as complete as that.

But nobody seems upset about it. I started wondering, am I the only American who thinks some overpaid USAF heads should roll for this?

I tried talking about it to some people in my office. But they acted like I was a traitor -- like it was unpatriotic to mention how badly the USAF fucked up.

I don't get that attitude. The traitors are the brass who left our country defenseless, for Christ's sake. How is it unpatriotic to want some of the sorry USAF brass stood up against a wall for that?

Just compare the sorry performance of the USAF with the Soviet Air Force that was supposed to be so inefficient. The inefficient Russians didn't have much problem taking out that Korean Air jet over Kamchatka in 1983. Two AA missiles from a pair of Su-15s and -- no more 747. Maybe it wasn't the brightest thing to do, but that was a political decision. The Soviet Air Force did the job pronto.

But the USAF -- the biggest, most expensive air force in history -- couldn't find one armed fighter jet for "several hours" after the WTC towers got blasted.

Disgusted yet? Well just wait, cause it gets worse!

You'd think that after the towers went down, the USAF would permanently reassign a few squadrons to defend American airspace. And they did. For a few weeks. Then they quit as soon as the heat was off. They just didn't want the bother. Much more fun to keep their toys safe in Germany or Japan -- anywhere but the skies over American cities.

So when a private plane bumbled into the airspace over the White House a few weeks ago, there was nothing in the sky to intercept it. Bush and his people were saying their prayers, hunkered down over their desks, until the plane blundered off again -- no thanks to the USAF.

You'd think a supposedly "right-wing" administration like Dubya's would be angry about this incredible military screw-up. But they're not. Nobody seems to get it: "right-wing" should mean pro-American! Like, American nationalist! American militarist!

And these so-called "conservative" politicians aren't real American militants any more than the pissant Democrats are. There are no real hardcore American nationalists except me and a few other sad freaks here and there on the net.

The Republicans aren't nationalists. They're moneyists, as in they only care about money -- oil money, mostly. And money is boring. War -- fun. Money -- boring. It's time somebody said it out loud: "Fuck Free Enterprise, I just want America to kick ass!"

And the first step in building a real ass-kicking American Imperial Army is making a few overpaid military "executives" pay for not wanting to defend our country. So let's find out who on the USAF "management team" was supposed to be in charge of defending American airspace. Once we've identified the USAF brass who messed up, we'll settle this the way the Romans would've done it: put'em on a bus in leg-irons and unload 'em at the WTC ruins. Then lead 'em up to a chopping block, one by one, and cut their fucking heads off. Take the heads -- put the little blue caps back on, you know, show some respect for their rank and all -- and stick their heads on spikes in front of the burnt wing of the Pentagon.

Then go out there and kick some foreign ass. Not for money. For Glory and the goddamn American Empire. That's what I call "right-wing."
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Wow.  That was worth the read.  Especially after the conversation a buddy of mine and I had tonight after work.  Good find b0b
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Yea!! Lets get em! Cause America is the only country that matters and we are always right on everything!!

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE MAY 16, 2006 09:10:08 ET XXXXX

GUNFIRE AT WAFFLE HOUSE AFTER WHITES, HISPANICS ARGUE OVER CITIZENSHIP

A parting gunshot from a vehicle leaving Waffle House in West Asheville, NC shattered a window and caused a minor injury, police said.

The shooting happened around 3:00 a.m. Saturday after a group of whites argued with a group of Hispanics at the 24-hour restaurant on Smokey Park Highway, Asheville police Lt. Wallace Welch said

“The two groups were jawing back and forth with each other over citizenship issues and whatnot,” Welch said.

As the Hispanic group drove off, someone in the vehicle fired at least once into a large window near the front door, he said.

Whether from a ricocheted bullet or flying glass, Welch said, one man’s arm was bleeding when police arrived.

Police were looking for a white Dodge Intrepid that left the restaurant going west.

The CITIZEN-TIMES newspaper first reported the incident, and is currently streaming the 9-11 calls from the Waffle House on its website.

Developing...


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I'm sure some of you have heard about the release of another tape showing the plane hitting the pentagon. I have debated before on the fact that something was odd about that impact and that it probrably wasn't a plane. Whether or not a plane may or may not have hit the Pentagon I found a snippet of information on another site that I thought was a good sum-up of the situation.

The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.

1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.

2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.


So just wanted to let you guys know, and if your telling people about the vid, remember that there is no real conclusion yet, but we do know something was fishy. If the government ever released a crystal clear version, this would pretty much discredit everything. The Pentagon has become the forfront of the 9/11 truth movement, and I don't think that should be the case. The simple physics of how the two towers fell should be enough in my opinion.

Ahh well, just thought I would post.

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Ooh, where can I find this newly released video?

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Correct me if I'm wrong.  But didn't I see both of those videos a LONG time ago?
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nah you only saw 5 frames of the first one. Apparently these are the only 2 views the DoD has for release.
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Ok, I'm guessing you know a little bit about the conspiracy that people ahve put being the twin towers falling and such.  Care to give me some info as I don't know much, or where I can read about it?
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Haha, a little bit about it?

I'd say between all the geeks on the forums we could write a 600 page thesis paper on the subject that'd get us admitted to Oxford.
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Could get all or just one....?  Well, where can I find some info?  I've only heard a little bit about it.
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Patrick wrote a 100 page paper on it lol.
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Reply #179 - May 16th, 2006 at 10:03pm
 
Sorry. Here is Loose Change 2nd Edition. Its a pretty good sum up, although he includes ALOT.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

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My phone line shudders at the word Video....one of these days I'm gona get a wireless router and solve that problem...maybe I'll do that with my next paycheck.
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Reply #183 - May 16th, 2006 at 11:38pm
 
Did your Prof even read all of it?  I know I wouldn't have.  You could have talked about your brothers obsession with pr0n after page 10 and I wouldn't have noticed with all the papers a prof has to grade.

But, my email is texfrost"at"gmail.com  I'll have to take a read through it
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Reply #184 - May 17th, 2006 at 12:36am
 
That's what graduate assistants are for.  Professors make them do all the lame footwork for them.

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Reply #185 - May 17th, 2006 at 10:16am
 
No my prof was into my topic and I built it up for him so he personally read it.  I'm going to go talk to him sometime soon about it more.  He's big into the "Iraq is white color crime" so we kinda had a copisetic relationship goin on.  Not to mention he's the head of our Criminal Justice Dept and a really awesome prof.

I'll shoot you an email with the paper attached.  Also if you want the "at" sign it's just Shift-2?

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Reply #186 - May 17th, 2006 at 12:58pm
 
He didn't use an @ sign cause bots troll sites for email addresses to send spam to. Wee! Spam!
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Is this what Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon would really look like from nearby security cameras instead of the nondescript blur footage we have been subject to?

This is obviously a crude collection of doctored frames but if the government had released something similar yesterday would you have believed it? Many would.

Wary therefore we are of the potential for the government to eventually release clear footage of the impact from the 84 other cameras that were dotted around the Pentagon and would have easily documented the event to debunk 9/11 skeptics.

The government claims all 84 cameras either didn't capture the impact or that tape in the cameras was mysteriously empty and yet returned as normal to film the cleanup operations.

Judicial Watch has said it will continue to pursue footage from the other 84 cameras. If the government is telling the truth in saying that the tapes show nothing of interest then what are they trying to hide by not releasing them?
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Reply #192 - May 18th, 2006 at 12:23am
 
Yea, Someday we will see those cameras. Maybe when the movement has gotten too big to ignore.
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Reply #193 - May 18th, 2006 at 1:11am
 
It's just ridiculous, the government could silence every single conspiarcy theorist in one second if they'd just release some video.

Even if we bought that all the pentagon cameras "malfunctioned" there are still the tape records from the highway overpass, the gas station across the highway, and the sheraton hotel.  All three of which had their security camera tapes confiscated MINUTES after the plane hit the pentagon.
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The_Fat_Man wrote on May 18th, 2006 at 1:11am:
It's just ridiculous, the government could silence every single conspiarcy theorist in one second if they'd just release some video.


Of course, even if it were a missile, it still begs the question, "What happened to the plane and it's occupants?"

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Reply #195 - May 18th, 2006 at 9:28am
 
Why would the government care about silencing the conspiracy theorists?  If, after a lot of work and time, the general population came to believe it was a set-up, most people still won't care... its too far back in the past.  Besides, what are they going to do, vote for the other guy? Shocked  Oh noes.
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Reply #196 - May 18th, 2006 at 9:38am
 
America is definitely circling the drain hole, but i don't think we're beyond a good ol' fashioned public execution if the circumstances demand it.

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I have to disagree with you bob.  I think Satan's plan is too far along for us to stop.  Unless we all turned to God but then we look in the Word and we see that'll never happen.  It's just like Ironman said we're to stupid to vote for a third party or just for a normal person.  The only way to take back this country from the hands of these people who claim to look out of us is a coup.  And for that to happen people would have to care.  People will never care until they're in the interment camps FEMA has built and we live under martial law.  I think a good quote is from Pastor Martin Niemöller who said:

"When they came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. 
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. 
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. 
When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. 
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."

I think this is the way America will fall.  I'd like to think we'd go out fighting but I just don't see it in the spirit of men anymore.

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Reply #198 - May 18th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
Well well...if a reporter had info before 9/11 surely someone in our govt also did...and even though we have the CIA and FBI tailing the hijackers and even living with them!  they still deny it.

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Rory O'Connor and Scott Malone interviewed Judith Miller about pre-9/11 intel. Go read the whole thing:


    “But I did manage to have a conversation with a source that [July Fourth] weekend. The person told me that there was some concern about an intercept that had been picked up. The incident that had gotten everyone’s attention was a conversation between two members of Al Qaeda. And they had been talking to one another, supposedly expressing disappointment that the United States had not chosen to retaliate more seriously against what had happened to the Cole. And one Al Qaeda operative was overheard saying to the other, ‘Don’t worry; we’re planning something so big now that the US will have to respond.’

    “And I was obviously floored by that information. I thought it was a very good story: (1) the source was impeccable; (2) the information was specific, tying Al Qaeda operatives to, at least, knowledge of the attack of the Cole; and (3) they were warning that something big was coming, to which the United States would have to respond. This struck me as a major Page One-potential story.

    “I remember going back to work in New York the next day and meeting with my editor Stephen Engelberg. I was rather excited, as I usually get about information of this kind, and I said, ‘Steve, I think we have a great story. And the story is that two members of Al Qaeda overheard on an intercept (and I assumed that it was the National Security Agency, because that’s who does these things) were heard complaining about the lack of American response to the Cole, but also… contemplating what would happen the next time, when there was, as they said, the impending major attack that was being planned. They said this was such a big attack that the US would have to respond.’ Then I waited....

    As Steve put it to me, ‘You have a great first and second paragraph. What’s your third?”’


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Man this story makes me puke...I hope these cops get fired and these two sue Baltimore for gillions!

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BALTIMORE -- Baltimore City police arrested a Virginia couple over the weekend after they asked an officer for directions.

WBAL-TV 11 News I-Team reporter David Collins said Joshua Kelly and Llara Brook, of Chantilly, Va., got lost leaving an Orioles game on Saturday. Collins reported a city officer arrested them for trespassing on a public street while they were asking for directions .

"In jail for eight hours -- sleeping on a concrete floor next to a toilet," Kelly said.

"It was a nightmare," Brook said. "I was in there thinking I was just dreaming and waiting to wake up."

Collins reported it was a nightmare ending to a nearly perfect day. He said the couple went to a company picnic and watched the Orioles beat Kansas City. It was their first trip to Camden Yards and asked two people for directions to Interstate 95 South when they left.

Collins said somehow they ended up in the Cherry Hill section of south Baltimore. Hopelessly lost, relief melted away concerns after they spotted a police vehicle.

"I said, 'Thank goodness, could you please get us to 95?" Kelly said.

"The first thing that she said to us was no -- you just ran that stop sign, pull over," Brook said. "It wasn't a big deal. We'll pay the stop sign violation, but can we have directions?"

"What she said was 'You found your own way in here, you can find your own way out.'" Kelly said.

Collins said the couple spotted another police vehicle and flagged that officer down for directions. But Officer Natalie Preston, a six-year veteran of the force, intervened.

"That really threw us for a loop when she stepped in between our cars," Kelly said. "(She) said my partner is not going to step in front of me and tell you directions if I'm not."

Collins reported the circumstances got worse. Kelly pulled 40 feet forward parking next to a curb and put his flashers on while Brook was on the phone to her father hoping he could help her with directions. Both her parents are police officers in the Harrisburg, Pa., area.

"(Brook's father) was in the middle of giving us directions when the officer screeched up behind us and got out of the car and asked me to step out. I obeyed," Kelly said. "I obeyed everything -- stepped out of the car, put my hands behind my back, and the next thing I know, I was getting arrested for trespassing."

"By this time, I was completely in tears," Brook said. "I said, 'Ma'am, you know, we just need your help. We are not trying to cause you any trouble. I'm not leaving him here.' What she did was walk over to my side of the car and said, 'Ok, we are taking you downtown, too.'"

Collins said the couple was released from jail without being charged with anything. Brook is now concerned the arrest may complicate a criminal background check she's going through in her job as a child care worker.

Collins said police left Kelly's car unlocked and the windows down at the impound lot. He reported a cell phone charger, pair of sunglasses and 20 CDs were stolen.

Baltimore City police said they are looking into the incident.


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There is no excuse nor ryme or reason for cops to do this.  You can't tresspass on public roads...I'm thinkin these are dirty cops who were collectin on some drugs!

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The neo-cons are at it again!

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Updated: CNN Shopping For Guests To Attack Charlie Sheen
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Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 18 2006

CNN is trying to bait 9/11 truth activists to appear as guests on its programs and attack Charlie Sheen. William Rodriguez and Philip Berg appeared on the Alex Jones Show today to expose a smear campaign that seeks to poison the well of the 9/11 truth movement.

WTC survivor and truth activist William Rodriguez was contacted by the Anderson Cooper 360 show and asked if he would go on record as saying the new Pentagon footage dispelled all 9/11 questions. They also requested that he attack Charlie Sheen's public stance on 9/11.

One CNN researcher outright called Charlie Sheen a liar during a phone call with Rodriguez.

After Rodriguez (pictured below) refused to take the bait, telling them he supports Sheen 100%, CNN cancelled his appearance even as the car to pick him up was en route. Rodriguez said CNN were taken aback by the fact that he refused to bad mouth Sheen.

Lawyer Philip Berg and philanthropist Jimmy Walters were also approached by CNN and promised TV time if they agreed to debunk Charlie Sheen. Both refused.

Berg is representing Rodriguez in a RICO suit aimed at bringing charges against US government officials for complicity in 9/11.

Berg was set to appear on Neo-Con Glenn Beck's new CNN show before the slot was cancelled.

After host AJ Hammer and Showbiz Tonight were punished for their balanced 9/11 coverage, the show was bumped to a later slot and replaced by Beck's show.

This represents a coordinated effort to smear Charlie Sheen's viewpoints on 9/11 and poison the well of the wider 9/11 truth movement. CNN are shopping for news and trying to blackmail people into saying what they want them to say.

News networks claimed that the new Pentagon images discredited Charlie Sheen comments regarding what happened to Flight 77. Here is exactly what Sheen told the Alex Jones Show back in March.

"Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters," said Sheen.

"I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it's really suspicious."

Do a handful of fuzzy frames from almost exactly the same vantage point disprove or put to bed any of Charlie Sheen's questions as the news networks claimed?

CNN are also cynically posing as the de facto representatives of the 9/11 families and erroneously claiming that the families oppose any questioning of the official version of events. In reality, a majority of the family members now have questions of their own which remain unanswered and Charlie Sheen was overwhelmed with the support he received from 9/11 survivors and families after his public stance. Other networks like Fox have also used this tactic to try and silence 9/11 dissent.

We remain on guard for the continued unfounded attacks on Charlie Sheen and won't hesitate to expose those who engage in sinister smear campaigns and yellow journalism in an attempt to debunk the 9/11 truth movement.


I think the people should say, "Yeah I'll speak out again him" and then not do it when they're live on the air.  Man I'd love to see the look on the talking head's face.

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Wow I'm on a role.  God bless John Stewart!

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Oh come on, Stewie, not Alex freakin' Jones again.  That guy is a lunatic.

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Zogby Poll: Over 70 Million American Adults Support New 9/11 Investigation

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Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.
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That means 70 million terrorists!  Those un-patriot people who hate America and want, along with those liberal Democracts want another attack!  Give me your rights FOR I AM gOD!!!!

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The old man walked slowly through the dry, fallen leaves of autumn, his practiced eye automatically choosing the bare and stony places in the trail for his feet. There was scarcely a sound as he passed, though his left knee was stiff with scar tissue. He grunted occasionally as the tight sinews pulled. Damn chainsaw, he thought.

Behind him, the boy shuffled along, trying to imitate his grandfather, but unable to mimic the silent motion that the old man had learned during countless winter days upon this wooded mountain in pursuit of game. He's fifteen years old, the old man thought. Plenty old enough to be learning. But that was another time, another America. His mind drifted, and he saw himself, a fifteen-year-old boy following in the footsteps of his own grandfather, clutching a twelve gauge in his trembling hands as they tracked a wounded whitetail.

The leg was hurting worse now, and he slowed his pace a bit. Plenty of time. It should have been my own son here with me now, the old man thought sadly. But Jason had no interest, no understanding. He cared for nothing but pounding on the keys of that damned computer terminal. He knew nothing about the woods, or where food came from...or freedom. And that's my fault, isn't it?

The old man stopped and held up his hand, motioning for the boy to look. In the small clearing ahead, the deer stood motionless, watching them. It was a scraggly buck, underfed and sickly, but the boy's eyes lit up with excitement. It had been many years since they had seen even a single whitetail here on the mountain. After the hunting had stopped, the population had exploded. The deer had eaten the mountain almost bare until erosion had become a serious problem in some places. That following winter, three starving does had wandered into the old man's yard, trying to eat the bark off of his pecan trees, and he had wished the "animal rights" fanatics could have been there then. It was against the law, but old man knew a higher law, and he took an axe into the yard and killed the starving beasts. They did not have the strength to run.

The buck finally turned and loped away, and they continued down the trail to the river. When they came to the "Big Oak," the old man turned and pushed through the heavy brush beside the trail and the boy followed, wordlessly. The old man knew that Thomas was curious about their leaving the trail, but the boy had learned to move silently (well, almost) and that meant no talking. When they came to "Coffin Rock," the old man sat down upon it and motioned for the boy to join him.

"You see this rock, shaped like a casket?" the old man asked. "Yes sir." The old man smiled. The boy was respectful and polite. He loved the outdoors, too. Everything a man could ask in a grandson ....or a son.

"I want you to remember this place, and what I'm about to tell you. A lot of it isn't going to make any sense to you, but it's important and one day you'll understand it well enough. The old man paused. Now that he was here, he didn't really know where to start.

"Before you were born," he began at last, "this country was different. I've told you about hunting, about how everybody who obeyed the law could own guns. A man could speak out, anywhere, without worrying about whether he'd get back home or not. School was different, too. A man could send his kids to a church school, or a private school, or even teach them at home. But even in the public schools, they didn't spend all their time trying to brainwash you like they do at yours now." The old man paused, and was silent for many minutes. The boy was still, watching a chipmunk scavenging beside a fallen tree below them.

"Things don't ever happen all at once, boy. They just sort of sneak up on you. Sure, we knew guns were important; we just didn't think it would ever happen in America. But we had to do something about crime, they said. It was a crisis. Everything was a crisis! It was a drug crisis, or a terrorism crisis, or street crime, or gang crime. Even a 'health care' crisis was an excuse to take away a little more of our rights." The old man turned to look at his grandson.

"They ever let you read a thing called the Constitution down there at your school?" The boy solemnly shook his head. "Well, the Fourth Amendment's still in there. It says there won't be any unreasonable searches and seizures. It says you're safe in your own home." The old man shrugged. "That had to go. It was a crisis! They could kick your door open any time, day or night, and come in with guns blazing if they thought you had drugs ...or later, guns. Oh, at first it was just registration -- to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals! But that didn't work, of course, and then later when they wanted to take 'em they knew where to look. They banned 'assault rifles', and then 'sniper rifles', and 'Saturday night specials.' Everything you saw on the TV or in the movies was against us. God knows the news people were! And the schools were teaching our kids that nobody needed guns anymore. We tried to take a stand, but we felt like the whole face of our country had changed and we were left outside."

"Me and a friend of mine, when we saw what was happening, we came and built a secret place up here on the mountain. A place where we could put our guns until we needed them. We figured some day Americans would remember what it was like to be free, and what kind of price we had to pay for that freedom. So we hid our guns instead of losing them."

"One fellow I knew disagreed. He said we ought to use our guns now and stand up to the government. Said that the colonists had fought for their freedom when the British tried to disarm them at Lexington and Concord. Well, he and a lot of others died in what your history books call the 'Tax Revolt of 1998,' but son, it wasn't the revolt that caused the repeal of the Second Amendment like your history book says. The Second Amendment was already gone long before they ever repealed it. The rest of us thought we were doing the right thing by waiting. I hope to God we were right."

"You see, Thomas. It isn't government that makes a man free. In the end, governments always do just the opposite. They gobble up freedom like hungry pigs. You have to have laws to keep the worst in men under control, but at the same time the people have to have guns, too, in order to keep the government itself under control. In our country, the people were supposed to be the final authority of the law, but that was a long time ago. Once the guns were gone, there was no reason for those who run the government to give a damn about laws and constitutional rights and such. They just did what they pleased and anyone who spoke out...well, I'm getting ahead of myself."

"It took a long time to collect up all the millions of firearms that were in private hands. The government created a whole new agency to see to it. There were rewards for turning your friends in, too. Drug dealers and murderers were set free after two or three years in prison, but possession of a gun would get you mandatory life behind bars with no parole.

"I don't know how they found out about me, probably knew I'd been a hunter all those years, or maybe somebody turned me in. They picked me up on suspicion and took me down to the federal building."

"Son, those guys did everything they could think of to me. Kept me locked up in this little room for hours, no food, no water. They kept coming in, asking me where the guns were. 'What guns?' I said. Whenever I'd doze off, they'd come crashing in, yelling and hollering. I got to where I didn't know which end was up. I'd say I wanted my lawyer and they'd laugh. 'Lawyers are for criminals', they said. 'You'll get a lawyer after we get the guns.' What's so funny is, I know they thought they were doing the right thing. They were fighting crime!"

"When I got home I found Ruth sitting in the middle of the living room floor, crying her eyes out. The house was a shambles. While I was down there, they'd come out and took our house apart. Didn't need a search warrant, they said. National emergency! Gun crisis! Your grandma tried to call our preacher and they ripped the phone off the wall. Told her that they'd go easy on me if she just told them where I kept my guns." The old man laughed. "She told them to go to hell." He stared into the distance for a moment as his laughter faded.

"They wouldn't tell her about me, where I was or anything, that whole time. She said that she'd thought I was dead. She never got over that day, and she died the next December."

"They've been watching me ever since, off and on. I guess there's not much for them to do anymore, now that all the guns are gone. Plenty of time to watch one foolish old man." He paused. Beside him, the boy stared at the stone beneath his feet.

"Anyway, I figure that, one day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good; they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be." The old man stood, his bad leg shaking unsteadily beneath him.

"You see the way this stone points? You follow that line one hundred feet down the hill and you'll find a big round rock. It looks like it's buried solid, but one man with a good prybar can lift it, and there's a concrete tunnel right under there that goes back into the hill."

The old man stood, watching as the sun eased toward the ridge, coloring the sky and the world red. Below them, the river still splashed among the stones, as it had for a million years. It's still going, the old man thought. There'll be someone left to carry on for me when I'm gone. It was harder to walk back. He felt old and purposeless now, and it would be easier, he knew, to give in to that aching heaviness in his left lung that had begun to trouble him more and more. Damn cigarettes, he thought. His leg hurt, and the boy silently came up beside him and supported him as they started down the last mile toward the house. How quiet he walks, the old man thought. He's learned well.

It was almost dark when the boy walked in. His father looked up from his paper. "Did you and your granddad have a nice walk?"

"Yes," the boy answered, opening the refrigerator. "You can call Agent Goodwin tomorrow. Gramps finally showed me where it is."


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leaders of both parties on Capitol Hill accused the FBI on Tuesday of overstepping constitutional boundaries designed to protect Congress when it raided a Democratic lawmaker's office over the weekend.

The Justice Department's bribery investigation of Louisiana Rep. William Jefferson has turned up $90,000 in his freezer and won guilty pleas from two associates, but Republicans and Democrats alike said investigators went too far when they ignored long-standing precedent and executed a search warrant on his office on Capitol Hill.

"I clearly have serious concerns about what happened and whether people at the Justice Department have looked at the Constitution lately," said House Majority Leader John Boehner.


OH ITS FINE TO SPY ON AMERICANS AND DO ILLEGAL SEACH AND SEIZURES BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THEY GET MAD!

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I've been following the Jefferson incident for a couple days now, and I'm totally blown away that anyone is standing up for this guy.  He needs to resign and he needs to be indicted.  A "precedent" does not make a law.

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How low can you go...obviously Satan does have a bottomless pit:

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Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to "obey the government" during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation

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A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.

In March of this year the Pastor, who we shall refer to as Pastor Revere, was invited to attend a meeting of his local FEMA chapter which circulated around preparedness for a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

The FEMA directors told the Pastors that attended that it was their job to help implement FEMA and Homeland Security directives in anticipation of any of these eventualities. The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.
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It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure. It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

We have received confirmation from other preachers and Pastors that this program is a nationwide initiative and a literal Soviet model whereby the churches are being systematically infiltrated by government volunteers and used as conduits for martial law training and conditioning. The Pastor was told that over 13,000 counties were already on board.

It falls under the umbrella of the NVOAD program which is training volunteers in a "Peer to Peer" program in a neighborhood setting.

Pastors were told that the would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.

Police provide cover for a FEMA house-by-house search in New Orleans.

"We get the the picture that we're going to be standing at the end of some farmer's lane while he's standing there with his double barrel, saying we have to confiscate your cows, your chickens, your firearms," said Pastor Revere.

The Pastor elaborated on how the directives were being smoke screened by an Orwellian alteration of their names.

"They're not using the term 'quarantine' - this is the term they're going to be using - it's called 'social distancing' don't you like that one," said the Pastor.

He also highlighted how detention camps had been renamed to give them a friendly warm veneer.

"Three months ago it was quarantine and relocation centers and now it's 'community centers' and these are going to be activated at the local schools," he said.

Pastor Revere outlined the plan to carry out mass vaccination and enforced drugging programs in times of crisis such as a bird flu outbreak.

"In the event of an outbreak or a bio-terrorist attack, there'd be a mass vaccination....they have a program nationwide 'Pills in People's Palm In 48 Hours'," said the Pastor who was told that Walmart had been designated as the central outlet of this procedure.

Pastor Revere said that many attendees believed in the necessity of the program and were completely unaware to the motivations behind its true purpose and were offered incentives to become volunteers such as preferential treatment and first access for themselves and their families to vaccines and food shipments in times of emergency.

Which roads to close off after martial law was declared had also already been mapped out.

The precedent for mass gun confiscation in times of real or manufactured emergency was set during Hurricane Katrina when police and national guard patrols forced homeowners even in areas unaffected by the hurricane to hand over their legally owned firearms at gunpoint as is detailed in the video below.
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Alex Jones' 2001 documentary film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny featured footage from a FEMA symposium given to firefighters and other emergency personnel in Kansas City in which it was stated that the founding fathers, Christians and homeschoolers were terrorists and should be treated with the utmost suspicion and brutality in times of national emergency.

We have highlighted previous training manuals issues by state and federal government bodies which identify whole swathes of the population as potential terrorists. A Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Law Enforcement pamphlet gives the public characteristics to identify terrorists that include buying baby formula, beer, wearing Levi jeans, carrying identifying documents like a drivers license and traveling with women or children.

A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools.

Shortly after 9/11 a Phoenix FBI manual that was disseminated amongst federal employees at the end of the Clinton term caused waves on the Internet after it was revealed that potential terrorists included, "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN, " and individuals who "make numerous references to the US Constitution." Lawyers everywhere cowered in fear at being shipped off to Gitmo.

In December 2003 the FBI warned Americans nationwide to be on the lookout for people reading Almanacs as this could indicate an act of terrorism in planning. Almanacs are popular glove box inventory of any vehicle and this ludicrous fearmongering was met with a raucous response from satirists and news commentators.

In another twilight zone Nazi-like spectacle, Pastors were asked to make a pledge or an affirmation during the meeting to fulfil the roles ascribed to them by FEMA. They were given assurances that they would be covered by full compensation in the event of resisters injuring them during property seizures and round-ups.

The Pastor said that his county had already succumbed to a tattle-tale like mentality where neighbors were reporting neighbors to the authorities for things like having chickens in their back yard. The brown shirt precedent has been set whereby people immediately turn to the authorities in fealty whenever their paranoid suspicions, fueled by zealous government and media fearmongering, are heightened.

Pastor Revere said the completion of the first stage of the program was slated for August 31st. At this point all the counties within the United States would be networked as part of the so-called disaster relief program.

We issue a challenge to all of our readers to print off this article and the supporting documents we will subsequently provide and confront their local preacher with it. If they don't receive a response within a week they should investigate further into whether their preacher is involved and hand out information to other members of the congregation.


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Pat, that is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.  Please tell me you don't seriously believe that?

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So how do you explain the documents and the Pastor talking about it?

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He's a Seventh Day Adventist.  Need I say more?  They're always trying to prove that the end of the world is right around the corner.  It very well may be, but that's no excuse for scaremongering.

Besides, "the document" was a faxed copy of a PowerPoint presentation.  It's not exactly earth-shattering evidence, yanno.

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Wouldn't you want to use a somewhat iffy "Christian" denomination to become to opiate of the masses?  You can't use a real Christian church since they would go against this.

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Everybody knows the Seventh Day Adventist's are freakin' loopy.  Vegetarianism does crazy things to an already addled mind.

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Parent's complaint raises issue about legality of stunt
Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, May 25, 2006

Every year, physics teacher David Lapp brings his Korean War era M-1 carbine to school, fires a shot into a block of wood and instructs his students to calculate the velocity of the bullet.

It is a popular experiment at Mill Valley's Tamalpais High School, where students are exposed to several unique stunts that Lapp performs in his five classes every year to illustrate inertia, velocity and other complex formulae.

Turns out, it also may be illegal.

It is a felony to bring any rifle, loaded or unloaded, onto a school campus without the written permission of the school district superintendent or his designee, according to Marin County District Attorney Ed Berberian.

Actually firing a gun inside a classroom would, in all probability, be considered a "reckless discharge" and could bring about harsher punishment under Penal Code section 626.9, better known as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

The problem of guns in schools has been a particularly emotional issue, especially since two students went on a rampage and killed 15 people at Columbine High School, in Littleton, Colo., on April 20, 1999.

Through it all, though, the focus has always been on students with guns. Nobody expected teachers to bring firearms to school.

"I'm hoping that this is not happening in Marin County," said Berberian, who groaned when informed that it was. "If he just did this in an open classroom with a block of wood, there could be ricochets. That in itself would be a presumption of recklessness."

The rifle demonstration would not even be an issue if an anonymous parent had not complained.

Lapp, a former military police officer who has been teaching for 20 years, said it is the first complaint ever lodged against the so-called "ballistic pendulum" experiment, which he contends is completely safe.

The .30-caliber bullet, he said, is fired into a foot-long, 8-pound block of wood hanging by cords from a ceiling mount. The students take measurements of the block's movement and mass and use that information to calculate bullet speed.

He said he fires the shot from point-blank range with all the students standing behind him, so there is no danger of an accident or ricochet. There has never been an injury or close call, he added.

"I've been doing this for years," said Lapp, who skipped two or three years after Columbine. "The students love it. They ask about it very early on in the year. It's one of the more exciting demonstrations."

Exciting is not the word, said Ted Feinberg, the assistant executive director for the National Association of School Psychologists.

"It's just absolute madness, from my point of view," said Feinberg, one of the founding members of the National Emergency Assistance Team, which has responded to most of the school shootings in the country. "It is not only crazy in concept, in light of the world we live in it is absolutely irresponsible."

Feinberg said he is shocked that a teacher would bring a gun to school in the wake of tragedies like Columbine, regardless of the educational purpose.

"Were there not other ways of illustrating whatever physical principles he was trying to demonstrate?" Feinberg asked. "What's the message we are giving bringing a loaded gun into a public setting and firing it off. It's a terrible model to project on students."

Lapp, who served in the Army from 1977 to 1980, became a teacher in 1986. He said he and the former Tamalpais High principal checked the legality of the experiment when he first started doing it around 1992 and determined that there were no laws against it. It has recently been done with the full written consent of Principal Chris Holleran.

Although Bob Ferguson, the current superintendent of the Tamalpais Union High School District, was unaware of the experiment, both Lapp and Holleran said they believed the ballistic pendulum experiment was legal.

"It is certainly something that one pauses about, but we felt that it was something that was OK because of the educational value," Holleran said. "Most students get a lot out of it. It's an interesting and dramatic example of physics in action."

Holleran said school administrators and the district will review the legality of the experiment and immediately make changes if, in fact, what Lapp is doing is illegal.

Unusual experiments are a hallmark of Lapp's five physics classes, two of which are honors courses. In addition to the ballistics test, Lapp also lies on a bed of nails and invites students to break a cinder block on his chest with a sledge hammer.

"It's a demonstration of Newton's law of inertia," he said.

In another experiment, Lapp cooks a steak in 15 seconds between two sheets of metal that are hooked up to a wall outlet.

"If you were a senior in high school and you were wondering what the relevance of high school was, it would be much more authentic if you measured actual things, like the speed of a bullet," Lapp said. "It lends authenticity to a classroom."

It is not clear what will happen now, but, Holleran said, if the school's approval of Lapp's experiment was a mistake, it was in an attempt to reach out in an innovative way to teenagers.

"He's a terrific teacher who does a lot of wonderful things to bring physics to life," Holleran said. "The students really get a lot out of his class, so we provide him with a lot of latitude. We've never had complaints about (the ballistic pendulum experiment), and it has probably been done in front of 900 to 1,000 students over the years."


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Now that we've found a way to teach high school students so they will actually pay attention to, lets make sure it never happens again.

I wish I would have had a cool teacher like this when I was in high school.  Maybe I would've stayed awake and alert for an entire class period.

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I'll second that.  I hated AP Chem this year because of the lack of interesting/fun labs as compared to basic chemistry.  We burnt a lot more shtuff last year than we did this year....I'd much rather know what metals, liquids and other substances react to fire and other substances than how much of a .06 Molar Basic solution it takes to make .6M HCL neutral.....

To bad he wasn't my forensics teacher.  I wanted to do balistics matching.  But my teacher was a whore and wouldn't even bring in spent bullet casings and the lead shot from the bullet to let us test them and see what they looked like.  Oh well, I went home and shot my own stuff and dug the bullets out myself.
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WASHINGTON (May 25) — A military investigation into the deaths of two dozen Iraqis last November is expected to find that a small number of marines in western Iraq carried out extensive, unprovoked killings of civilians, Congressional, military and Pentagon officials said Thursday.

Two lawyers involved in discussions about individual marines' defenses said they thought the investigation could result in charges of murder, a capital offense. That possibility and the emerging details of the killings have raised fears that the incident could be the gravest case involving misconduct by American ground forces in Iraq.

Officials briefed on preliminary results of the inquiry said the civilians killed at Haditha, a lawless, insurgent-plagued city deep in Sunni-dominated Anbar Province, did not die from a makeshift bomb, as the military first reported, or in cross-fire between marines and attackers, as was later announced. A separate inquiry has begun to find whether the events were deliberately covered up.

Evidence indicates that the civilians were killed during a sustained sweep by a small group of marines that lasted three to five hours and included shootings of five men standing near a taxi at a checkpoint, and killings inside at least two homes that included women and children, officials said.

That evidence, described by Congressional, Pentagon and military officials briefed on the inquiry, suggested to one Congressional official that the killings were "methodical in nature."

Congressional and military officials say the Naval Criminal Investigative Service inquiry is focusing on the actions of a Marine Corps staff sergeant serving as squad leader at the time, but that Marine officials have told members of Congress that up to a dozen other marines in the unit are also under investigation. Officials briefed on the inquiry said that most of the bullets that killed the civilians were now thought to have been "fired by a couple of rifles," as one of them put it.

The killings were first reported by Time magazine in March, based on accounts from survivors and human rights groups, and members of Congress have spoken publicly about the episode in recent days. But the new accounts from Congressional, military and Pentagon officials added significant new details to the picture. All of those who discussed the case had to be granted anonymity before they would talk about the findings emerging from the investigation.

A second, parallel inquiry was ordered by the second-ranking general in Iraq to examine whether any marines on the ground at Haditha, or any of their superior officers, tried to cover up the killings by filing false reports up the chain of command. That inquiry, conducted by an Army officer assigned to the Multinational Corps headquarters in Iraq, is expected to report its findings in coming days.

In an unusual sign of high-level concern, the commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Michael W. Hagee, flew from Washington to Iraq on Thursday to give a series of speeches to his forces re-emphasizing compliance with international laws of armed conflict, the Geneva Conventions and the American military's own rules of engagement.

"Recent serious allegations concerning actions of marines in combat have caused me concern," General Hagee said in a statement issued upon his departure. The statement did not mention any specific incident.



The first official report from the military, issued on Nov. 20, said that "a U.S. marine and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb" and that "immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire."

Military investigators have since uncovered a far different set of facts from what was first reported, partly aided by marines who are cooperating with the inquiry and partly guided by reports filed by a separate unit that arrived to gather intelligence and document the attack; those reports contradicted the original version of the marines, Pentagon officials said.

One senior Defense Department official who has been briefed on the initial findings, when asked how many of the 24 dead Iraqis were killed by the improvised bomb as initially reported, paused and said, "Zero."

While Haditha was rife with violence and gunfire that day, the marines, who were assigned to the Third Battalion, First Marines, and are now back at Camp Pendleton, Calif., "never took what would constitute hostile fire of a seriously threatening nature," one Pentagon official said.

Women and children were among those killed, as well as five men who had been traveling in a taxi near the bomb, which killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas of El Paso.

Although investigators are still piecing together the string of deaths, Congressional and Pentagon officials said the five men in the taxi either were pulled out or got out at a Marine checkpoint and were shot.

The deaths of those in the taxi, and inside two nearby houses, were not the result of a quick and violent firefight, according to officials who had been briefed on the inquiry.

"This was not a burst of fire, but a sustained operation over several hours, maybe five hours," one official said. Forensic evidence gathered from the houses where Iraqi civilians died is also said to contradict reports that the marines had to overcome hostile fire to storm the homes.

Members of the House and Senate briefed on the Haditha shootings by senior Marine officers, including General Hagee and Brig. Gen. John F. Kelly, the Marine legislative liaison, voiced concerns Thursday about the seriousness of the accusations.

Representative John Kline, a Minnesota Republican who is a retired Marine colonel, said that the allegations indicated that "this was not an accident. This was direct fire by marines at civilians." He added, "This was not an immediate response to an attack. This would be an atrocity."

The deaths, and the role of the marines in those deaths, is being viewed with such alarm that senior Marine Corps officers briefed members of Congress last week and again on Wednesday and Thursday.

The briefings were in part an effort to prevent the kind of angry explosion from Capitol Hill that followed news of detainee abuse by American military jailers at Abu Ghraib prison, which had been quietly under investigation for months before the details of the abuse were leaked to the news media. "If the accounts as they have been alleged are true, the Haditha incident is likely the most serious war crime that has been reported in Iraq since the beginning of the war," said John Sifton, of Human Rights Watch. "Here we have two dozen civilians being killed — apparently intentionally. This isn't a gray area. This is a massacre."

Three Marine officers — the battalion commander and two company commanders in Haditha at the time — have been relieved of duty, although official statements have declined to link that action to the investigation.

Senator John W. Warner, a Virginia Republican who heads the Armed Services Committee, said he expected senators would review investigators' evidence, including photographs by military photographers that Mr. Warner said were "taken as a matter of routine in Iraq on operations of this nature when there's loss of life."


Lawyers who have been in conversations with the marines under investigation stressed the chaotic situation in Haditha at the time of the killings. And they expect that the defense will stress that insurgents often hide among civilians, that Haditha on the day of the shootings was suffering a wave of fluid insurgent attacks and that the marines responded to high levels of hostile action aimed at them.

Much of the area around Haditha is controlled by Sunni Arab insurgents who have made the city one of the deadliest in Iraq for American troops. On Aug. 1, three months before the massacre, insurgents ambushed and killed six Marine snipers moving through Haditha on foot. Insurgents released a video after the ambush that appeared to show the attack, and the mangled and burned body of a dead serviceman. Then, two days later, 14 marines were killed when their armored vehicle was destroyed by a roadside bomb near the southern edge of the city.

The Marines also disclosed this week that a preliminary inquiry had found "sufficient information" to recommend a criminal probe into the killing of an Iraqi civilian on April 26 near Hamandiyah, a village west of Baghdad.



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http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Iraq

Well Al-Zarqawi is dead...again...let's see how long it will last this time!

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Good timing, U.S. military. the Republicans needed a little pick me up in the polls. I cant wait too see what happens before November!
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Pentagon Jettisons US Agent Provocateur Al-Zarqawi
Musab dies for the umpteenth time but this time its for real says the US government!

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | June 8 2006

For those of us attempting to keep track of how many times US agent provocateur Musab Al-Zarqawi has been killed or captured today's news comes as something of a relief - the US government has stamped its official seal of approval on the fact that the Pentagon's most influential PR tool is no more.

Irrefutable evidence confirms that Musab Al-Zarqawi was a US agent provocateur used to both sell the necessity of the war in Iraq and as a patsy to take the fall for numerous suspicious bombings which only had the effect of realizing a long-held US and Israeli goal to deliberately foment civil war in Iraq and break up the country along sectarian lines.

Preceding the release of the recent Al-Zarqawi video tape, the Pentagon embarked on a propaganda push to magnify the role and influence of Al-Zarqawi in Iraq - reinforcing the 'Al-Qaeda in Iraq' brand myth and pinning the increasingly unpopular occupation to the wider 'war on terror'.

Leaked documents splashed in the New York Times were proof that the Pentagon has even gone to the lengths of faking letters taking credit for insurgent bombings, attributing them to Al-Zarqawi and leaking them to journalists.

Transcripts of meetings between the Joint Chiefs of Staff discussed turning Al-Zarqawi into a caricature and making him appear, "more important than he really is."

The same documents directly stated that the false promotion of Al-Zarqawi included marking the the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign."

This alone is bullet proof evidence that the Al-Zarqawi image, whether the real Al-Zarqawi was alive, dead or rotting away at Guantanamo Bay, was carefully controlled and massaged by the US military-industrial complex all along. His shining achievement in terms of aiding his Neo-Con bosses was to launch a wave of copy-cat beheadings after appearing in the production of the fictional Nick Berg beheading tape.

The amount of times that Al-Zarqawi has been reported as killed or captured is beyond a joke but the Pentagon refused to verify any of these instances choosing instead to keep their pawn in place for the time being.

The US home audience remains the target as it seems the laughable credibility of the 'fearsome' Al-Zarqawi, his own 'home video' revealed he couldn't even operate a gun, has caused the Pentagon to jettison their creation and throw a few much needed approval points Bush's way.

No doubt the feverish Neo-Con cheerleaders will pick the flesh off this for the next 6 months at least, highlighting it as a benchmark of the success of the war on Iraq, despite the fact that death rates are at an all time high. The bombings will continue unabated because phantom menace Al-Zarqawi was as much a ringleader for the insurgents as the tooth fairy was responsible for the fall of the Berlin wall.

The end of Al-Zarqawi should be a concern for all westerners because it can be added to the pile of evidence to suggest the men behind the curtain are creating a storyboard on which to later pin a staged terror attack blamed on Al-Qaeda and carried out supposedly in revenge for the elimination of Al-Zarqawi.

This development also increases that likelihood that the (also deceased) CIA pawn Osama bin Laden will be rolled out before the mid-term elections as the ever prevalent October surprise.
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I give it two weeks.  Three at most.

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U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld commenting at NATO headquarters in Brussels, saying (English):
''I think arguably over the last several years, no single person on this planet has had the blood of more innocent men, women and children on his hands than Zarqawi.''

Oh Rly? Are you absolutely sure? Are you absolutely sure noone else has ordered more killings of innocent civilians?

President Bush anyone?

38254 (minimum) Iraqi civilians killed since U.S. intervention.

So don't give me any bull about Zarqawi. The US government prolly told him to go to that house in the first place, then they bombed him to create alot of good PR.

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Oh Briney you just don't understand.  We don't have to keep count...we're the good guys!  They're the bad.  Us...good  Grin ... Them...bad  Angry

We = kill as many people as we want and blame it on "it's only because the terrorists are there".
They = HOLY CRAP THAT'S A MISSLE COMING AT MY HOUSE WHICH IS NEXT TO AN ORPHANAGE, AN OLD FOLKS HOME, AND 12 HOSPITALS!

Headline next day:  Terrorist's plot destroys an orpahnage, an old folks home, 12 hospitals, and a Baldwin brother...We will have our revenge...

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A Reader Submitted Single Question Quiz for All Americans

Question: Who is responsible for the terrorist attacks of
September 11, 2001 ?

A) Saddam Hussein
B) Usama Bin Laden
C) The Project for the New American Century
D) None of the above

WAIT! Before selecting your answer, please read the
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1. “We’ve had NO EVIDENCE that Saddam Hussein was
involved with the September the 11th” President George W.
Bush 9/17/03

2. “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin
Laden’s Most Wanted Page is because the FBI has NO HARD
EVIDENCE connecting Bin Laden to 9/11″ Rex Tomb (Chief of
Investigative Publicity for the FBI) 6/5/06

3. “The process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a NEW PEARL HARBOR”
The Project for a New American Century (page 51 of their
document Rebuilding America’s Defenses) September 2000

Now you may answer: ____


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It's all you, Stewie.  This is from another forum, but I'll just quote the whole thing for you.

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6.03.06- Back in the days of the Cold War, spies found ingenious and unusual ways to communicate with each other, hiding their communications in plain sight, whether encrypted or not. For instance, an intelligence agent (spy) might contact his case officer (handler) by placing an ad in the personals section of the local newspaper. This practice, it seems, continues today.

On or around May 8, the following personal ad appeared on the Internet classified ad site Craigslist. (It has since been removed.)

For mein fraulein

Mein Fraulein, I haven’t heard from you in a while. Won’t you
call me? 212 //// 796 //// 0735

If you actually called the number, up until a couple of days ago you would have heard this prerecorded message (MP3). It’s a head scratcher to keep you National Security Agency analysts occupied in your spare time. Each block of numbers is repeated twice; but below I have transcribed them only once for clarity.

Group 415
01305 60510 12079 04606 50100
93000 08203 90130 94069 01207
81080 17028 01706 90220 73038
01401 70150 15073 00402 00680
12013 12510 00540 04091 01401
30150 86022 09608 10660 02082
05507 00020 00000 02208 30290
08022 01200 40710 13065 02709
40190 29014 02200 80020 11083
07300 30260 19000 00700 00000
86

You used to hear broadcasts not unlike this on shortwave radio all the time, stations which broadcast nothing but numbers all day. Nobody has yet come forward with an answer as to what exactly these stations were broadcasting, or to whom, or what was the point of the messages. If anyone does know, they likely can’t say because it’s classified information.

On or around May 12, Craigslist pulled the ad, but the number remained up and running, and someone tipped off our friends at 2600 Magazine. Its editor Emmanuel Goldstein mentioned the number on the May 24 episode (MP3) of the WBAI radio show Off The Hook. After that, it was flooded with calls from aspiring phone phreaks and other curiosity seekers, and that’s when some more of the details behind the number began coming out, through brute force, as it were.

The number is a VoIP setup from a small provider yet to be identified, but the wholesaler is a company called RNK Telecom. The account was prepaid, and the flood of calls after the radio show quickly depleted the account balance; callers over Memorial Day weekend would have heard a message (MP3) saying your account balance was too low. Now the number gives nothing but a busy signal.

Many questions remain, of course, now that the number seems to be no longer functioning. Who put the ad on Craigslist? What is the encrypted message? Is this all some sort of elaborate prank? Or could it be a viral marketing scheme of some type?

The question which most interests me, though, is what does the message mean? The Craigslist posting is typical of how intelligence agents might communicate in hostile countries where they are actively trying to evade the country’s intelligence services. The message at that phone number, though, seems like an easier avenue of attack for this particular problem, at least right now.

The first thing I notice is that it contains an unusually high number of zeros. And that’s just about where my cryptanalytic skills end. Anybody else want to take a crack at it?


Here's the recording...
http://www.TWNCommunications.Net/Other/212-796-0735.mp3

Here's the radio program with Emmanuel Goldstein...
http://www.TWNCommunications.Net/Other/OffTheHook.mp3

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More info on the Craigslist mystery...

http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/05/31/the-212-796-0735-mystery/

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060613/ts_nm/security_usa_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence and law enforcement authorities are discovering new home-grown cells of Islamist radicals in the United States that draw inspiration and moral support from al Qaeda, officials said on Tuesday.

Like local terrorism cells that have recently come to light in Canada and Europe, officials said the groups are comprised of disaffected young men in their teens and 20s who rely on the Internet to try to organize and plan potential attacks on the U.S. homeland.


Wow. So lets start arresting random teens/college students and call them Terrorist cells drawing inspiration from Al Queda. Did I mention that I love al queda and I hope to die for them someday? Oh yea NSA? Did you get that one in your daily internet sweep?
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But wait I thought they told us they were just recording calls...not listening to them?  So how can they know this unless if they listen?  Oh that was a lie?!  Well I never thought my govt would lie to me!  I mean how could anyone believe that government officials have areas reserved for them in main branches of phone companies that no one who works there is allowed to go into.  That'd be like me owning a Taco Bell and not being able to go through one of my own doors.  Well I'm just glad this doesn't affect me and I don't have anything to hide!

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Reply #240 - Jun 14th, 2006 at 11:30am
 
Good job, Briney.  Now my house is going to get sacked when the FBI comes for my server.

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Posted Jun 12, 2006

Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Just examine the following websites to get a feel for the magnitude of NAFTA Super Highway planning that has been going on without any new congressional legislation directly authorizing the construction of the planned international corridor through the center of the country.

NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., is a “non-profit organization dedicated to developing the world’s first international, integrated and secure, multi-modal transportation system along the International Mid-Continent Trade and Transportation Corridor to improve both the trade competitiveness and quality of life in North America.” Where does that sentence say anything about the USA? Still, NASCO has received $2.5 million in earmarks from the U.S. Department of Transportation to plan the NAFTA Super Highway as a 10-lane limited-access road (five lanes in each direction) plus passenger and freight rail lines running alongside pipelines laid for oil and natural gas. One glance at the map of the NAFTA Super Highway on the front page of the NASCO website will make clear that the design is to connect Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. into one transportation system.


Kansas City SmartPort Inc. is an “investor based organization supported by the public and private sector” to create the key hub on the NAFTA Super Highway. At the Kansas City SmartPort, the containers from the Far East can be transferred to trucks going east and west, dramatically reducing the ground transportation time dropping the containers off in Los Angeles or Long Beach involves for most of the country. A brochure on the SmartPort website describes the plan in glowing terms: “For those who live in Kansas City, the idea of receiving containers nonstop from the Far East by way of Mexico may sound unlikely, but later this month that seemingly far-fetched notion will become a reality.”


The U.S. government has housed within the Department of Commerce (DOC) an “SPP office” that is dedicated to organizing the many working groups laboring within the executive branches of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to create the regulatory reality for the Security and Prosperity Partnership. The SPP agreement was signed by Bush, President Vicente Fox, and then-Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Tex., on March 23, 2005. According to the DOC website, a U.S.-Mexico Joint Working Committee on Transportation Planning has finalized a plan such that “(m)ethods for detecting bottlenecks on the U.S.-Mexico border will be developed and low cost/high impact projects identified in bottleneck studies will be constructed or implemented.” The report notes that new SENTRI travel lanes on the Mexican border will be constructed this year. The border at Laredo should be reduced to an electronic speed bump for the Mexican trucks containing goods from the Far East to enter the U.S. on their way to the Kansas City SmartPort.


The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is overseeing the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) as the first leg of the NAFTA Super Highway. A 4,000-page environmental impact statement has already been completed and public hearings are scheduled for five weeks, beginning next month, in July 2006. The billions involved will be provided by a foreign company, Cintra Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A. of Spain. As a consequence, the TTC will be privately operated, leased to the Cintra consortium to be operated as a toll-road.
The details of the NAFTA Super Highway are hidden in plan view. Still, Bush has not given speeches to bring the NAFTA Super Highway plans to the full attention of the American public. Missing in the move toward creating a North American Union is the robust public debate that preceded the decision to form the European Union. All this may be for calculated political reasons on the part of the Bush Administration.

A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks.


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Poof that we are becoming one country...right there!  This is why the boarders, both of them, aren't closed.  Between NAFTA and CAFTA this will soon be the nation of the Western Hemisphere!

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I'm so glad my hard-earned tax dollars are going to a good cause...

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FEMA funds spent on divorce, sex change By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 14, 3:38 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Houston divorce lawyer Mark Lipkin says he can't recall anyone paying for his services with a FEMA debit card, but congressional investigators say one of his clients did just that.

The $1,000 payment was just one example cited in an audit that concluded that up to $1.4 billion — perhaps as much as 16 percent of the billions of dollars in assistance expended after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita — was spent for bogus reasons.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency also was hoodwinked to pay for season football tickets, a tropical vacation and a sex change operation, the audit found. Prison inmates, a supposed victim who used a New Orleans cemetery for a home address and a person who spent 70 days at a Hawaiian hotel all were able to get taxpayer help, according to evidence that gives a new black eye to the nation's disaster relief agency.

"I do Katrina victims all the time," Lipkin, the divorce attorney, told The Associated Press. "I didn't know anybody did that with me. I don't think it's right, obviously."

Government Accountability Office officials were testifying before a House committee Wednesday on their findings.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the subcommittee overseeing an investigation of post-hurricane aid, called the bogus spending "an assault on the American taxpayer."

"Prosecutors from the federal level down should be looking at prosecuting these crimes and putting the criminals who committed them in jail for a long time," he said.

To dramatize the problem, investigators provided lawmakers with a copy of a $2,358 U.S. Treasury check for rental assistance that an undercover agent received using a bogus address. The money was paid even after FEMA learned from its inspector that the undercover applicant did not live at the address.

FEMA spokesman Aaron Walker said Tuesday that the agency, already criticized for a poor response to Katrina, makes its highest priority during a disaster "to get help quickly to those in desperate need of our assistance."

"Even as we put victims first, we take very seriously our responsibility to be outstanding stewards of taxpayer dollars, and we are careful to make sure that funds are distributed appropriately," Walker said.

FEMA said it has identified more than 1,500 cases of potential fraud after Katrina and Rita and has referred those cases to the Homeland Security Department's inspector general. The agency said it has identified $16.8 million in improperly awarded disaster relief money and has started efforts to collect the money.

The GAO said it was 95 percent confident that improper and potentially fraudulent payments were much higher — between $600 million and $1.4 billion.

The investigative agency said it found people lodged in hotels often were paid twice, since FEMA gave them individual rental assistance and paid hotels directly. FEMA paid California hotels $8,000 to house one individual — the same person who received three rental assistance payments for both disasters.

In another instance, FEMA paid an individual $2,358 in rental assistance, while at the same time paying about $8,000 for the same person to stay 70 nights at more than $100 per night in a Hawaii hotel.

FEMA also could not establish that 750 debit cards worth $1.5 million even went to Katrina victims, the auditors said.

Among the items purchased with the cards:

_An all-inclusive, one-week Caribbean vacation in the Punta Cana resort in the Dominican Republic.

_Five season tickets to New Orleans Saints professional football games.

_Adult erotica products in Houston and "Girls Gone Wild" videos in Santa Monica, Calif.

_Dom Perignon champagne and other alcoholic beverages in San Antonio.

"Our forensic audit and investigative work showed that improper and potentially fraudulent payments occurred mainly because FEMA did not validate the identity of the registrant, the physical location of the damaged address, and ownership and occupancy of all registrants at the time of registration," GAO officials said.

FEMA paid millions of dollars to more than 1,000 registrants who used names and Social Security numbers belonging to state and federal prisoners for expedited housing assistance. The inmates were in Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia and Florida.

FEMA made about $5.3 million in payments to registrants who provided a post office box as their damaged residence, including one who got $2,748 for listing an Alabama post office box as the damaged property.

The GAO told of an individual who used 13 different Social Security numbers — including the person's own — to receive $139,000 in payments on 13 separate registrations for aid. All the payments were sent to a single address.


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www.savetheinternet.com

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You shouldn't post that Bob...they might sue everyone on the planet!!!

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http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/jfk_secret_society_speech.htm

Listen to this incredible audio recording of a speech made by JFK before the American Newspaper Publishers Association where he warns the press about the secret societies that are the real power in global affairs.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/20/Business/No_cash_No_card_Just_.shtml

Oh man, another step closer until the Mark of the Beast.  Disneyworld (or land...but I think world) has finger print readers to enter into the "magic kingdom of naziland!".  I want to know what logical reason is for this?  What do they have to match it up with?  Oh but our government doesn't makes lists like that.

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A significant number of WMD's may have been discovered in Iraq, according to Senator Rick Santorum.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.h...

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(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the finding of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction, specifically "sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles," in Iraq.

Reading from unclassified portions of a document developed by the U.S. intelligence community, Santorum said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

According to Santorum, "That means in addition to the 500, there are filled and unfilled munitions still believed to exist within the country."

Reading from the document, Santorum added, "Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the Black Market. Use of these weapons by terrorist or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside of Iraq cannot be ruled out. The most likely munitions remaining are sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles. And I underscore filled."

Santorum said the "purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions."

While acknowledging that the agents "degrade over time," the document said that the chemicals "remain hazardous and potentially lethal."

The media has reported that "insurgents and Iraqi groups" want to "acquire and use chemical weapons," Santorum noted.

The Pennsylvania senator called the finding "incredibly" significant.

"The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction is in fact false," Santorum said. "We have found over 500 weapons of mass destruction and in fact have found that there are additional chemical weapons still in the country."

As Cybercast News Service reported on Oct. 6, 2004, the CIA's chief inspector in Iraq provides details that corroborate information contained in 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.

The so-called Duelfer report, named for its author, Charles Duelfer, is widely recognized for declaring that no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Other details of the report, however, provide a glimpse of what some Iraq experts say is Saddam's attempt to continue to wage war against the U.S. after the first Gulf War ended.


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Reply #254 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:02am
 
I really don't think 500 WMD's found afte nearly, what?, 4 years of war in Iraq is going to save President Bush's popularity rating any.

I mean hell the mans popularity is lower than Nixons was when he was impeached heh.
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Oh, it absolutely won't save his popularity rating, but it's interesting nonetheless.  I also heard something through the grapevine about the DoD finding "conclusive evidence" that Hussein airlifted WMD's into Iran prior to the invasion.  I haven't found any hard reports of that, though, so it could just be crap.

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Reply #257 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 7:33pm
 
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you mean... that they know the truth!! denial, goodness, I cant believe this tripe. This pisses me off. You know, I am done with America. History is written by the victors, and ya know... I'm starting to think the U.S. isnt the hot s**t anymore. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure we are one of the worst nations to set foot on this earth. So the sooner we are done the better!

Look at all we do, how is any of it even remotely honorable or justafied. we have repeated accusations of torture of prisoners, and warcrimes in general. I bet for every crime we actually hear about in this lovely media of ours, there is about 15 more. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo fire bombings, Dresden, Vietnam atrocities, Supplying the Indonesians with weapons while they massacred hundreds of thousands in East Timor, 9/11, Iraqi slaughter of civilians, torture... the list goes on.

Actually I think I got off subject but blatent ignorance like that just makes me mad. "Oh, wait they don't agree with us? They are "still in denial."

Forget that noise.

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Reply #258 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 11:27pm
 
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As part of the raids related to the arrests, FBI agents swarmed a warehouse in Miami's Liberty City area, using a blowtorch to take off a metal door. One neighbor said the suspects had been sleeping in the warehouse while running what seemed to be a "military boot camp."

The official told The Associated Press the alleged plotters were mainly Americans with no apparent ties to al-Qaida or other foreign terrorist organizations. He spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to pre-empt news conferences planned for Friday in Washington and Miami.


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I think B got in a anti American slant after our little talk about V for Vendetta Smiley
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Oh I've been on a slant for a while, but yea that might have helped  Wink
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_re_us/terrorism_investigation

Well it looks like another building owned by Larry Silverstein was almost demolished....oh I mean pulled....oh I mean pancaked down because of fire...yeah that's the one I'm going with!

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http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/06/25/10049322.html

One country down...a few more to go.  Are you ready?

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I love it when science and propaganda come together to warp our fragile lil minds!

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Russia 'to kill Iraq kidnappers'
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Mr Putin hopes Russia's friends will help identify the killers
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered special services to "find and destroy" the killers of four Russian diplomats taken hostage in Iraq.

The head of Russia's security services immediately pledged to see Putin's order carried out.

The Russian government confirmed the four men's deaths this week, after an insurgent group released a video showing two of them being killed.

The group had demanded Russia leave Chechnya and release Muslim prisoners.

     
However much time and effort it requires, we will work to this end
Russian security chief, Nikolai Patrushev
"The President gave the order to Russian special services to take all measures for finding and eliminating the criminals who carried out the murder of Russian diplomats in Iraq", the Interfax news agency quoted the Kremlin's press service as saying.

'Occupiers' blamed

He said Russia hoped its friends would help to identify the killers.

The head of the Federal Security Service (FSB), Nikolai Patrushev, promised to carry out the task "however much time and effort it requires", Interfax reported.

Separately, the lower house of the Russian parliament approved a statement condemning the killings, and appearing to blame Iraq's "occupying powers".

"The whole responsibility for the situation in Iraq, including guaranteeing the security of its citizens, and also foreign specialists, as before lies on the occupying powers," the statement said

Russia has strongly opposed the US-led military campaign from the beginning.

The diplomats were seized in Baghdad on 3 June.

A group called the Mujahideen Shura Council, linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq, posted the video of the killings on the internet.

On Monday, the Russian foreign ministry urged the Iraqi authorities and the US-led coalition forces to find and punish the perpetrators.



I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't want a Russian Operative looking for me with a license to kill.  Those guys don't mess around.

"In 1985, terrorists stormed the Soviet Embassy in Beirut and abducted several Russian officials, demanding that the Soviets force Syria to stop its efforts to drive Palestinians supporting Arafat out of Lebanon.  Then Soviet president Gorbachev was quickly able to get Syria to stop its operation, but the kidnappers were slow in releasing the hostages. The SPETSNAZ quickly went into action, rushing to Beirut and giving the extremists 48 hours to free their people. When the terrorists let the deadline pass, the SPETSNAZ actually kidnapped four of them and sent one of their decapitated heads in a bag to the terrorist chief, promising further unrestrained action. The captives were quickly freed."


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Somewhere else? Fuck that.

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Ok so Bush can't hold warcrime trails....so what will be happening with these "prisoners".  I smell a rat here.  Is Bush trying to pass himself off as someone who "wants to carry out justice by giving these 'nonhumans' a trial" some 5 years later.  Justice delayed is justice denide.  If I was the judge ruling those cases when they came I'd say..."hmm...case dismmised in violation of the 6th Amendment!  Put him back where you found him...and not in your secret prisons or I'll hold the President in contemp of court".  Man how many talk show hosts would want my blood?

"Yeah your ruling might have been true but they're not evil Christians or Americans?  They don't deserve the same protections because they tried to destroy them!  Rabble Rabble Rabble!"

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Somewhere else? Fuck that.

I'd be right there "comforting" that poor...extremely hot...girl.


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Why do that, when you could just take her with you?

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http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html

This is a great list that shows you just how corrupt and monopolied our media we are suppose to trust is owned by so few.  This reminds me of 1984 when there was only one news statoin which was controlled and supported the government.  99% of our media are owned by 10 big companies.  Most, if not all, of these company leaders are members of the ellite or think they are.  They are just pawns of the maximum elite who control all.  Read this list and just think what implications a great deal of power has in the hands of so few.
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Yea the list was done in 02 and some stuff has merged a bit even more!
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HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!!

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This year it is more appropriate to mourn rather than celebrate July Fourth. Our freedom is based not only upon the Declaration of Independence, but also our Constitution, the bedrock of our democracy.

Our Constitution is being attacked and ignored by the very leaders who are sworn to uphold it. For example, Bush has never vetoed a law passed by Congress. Instead Bush signs the bill, which then becomes law. But after his signature is added a postscript called a “Signing Statement.” If Bush signs this statement, it gives him the authority to disregard the law he has just signed!

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According to Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution, international laws and treaties to which we are signatory are the highest laws of our land. Among these are the United Nations Charter, Geneva Conventions and Nuremberg Principles. Bush has broken all these highest laws. Bush's war is an illegal one since it violates the United Nations Charter. Just as Hitler “preventively” attacked Poland in 1939, so Bush “preventively” attacked Iraq on March 19, 2003. It is public knowledge that Iraq did not attack the Twin Towers. Bush attacked Iraq in spite of most of the international community calling for more time for inspections rather than invasion.

Article 4 of the Constitution gives an accused person the rights to be charged with a crime and to confront his accusers and defend himself. Holding people by whatever name they are given (such as “enemy combatants”) does not exempt the United States from treating them with basic human decency as specifically stated in Article 3 of the Geneva Accords.

Torture is used at Guantánamo Bay as it is used in other U.S. prisons. This is public knowledge. (See the book “Guantánamo and the Misuse of Presidential Power.”) Holding prisoners in Guantánamo detention camps for years without charge — while the whole world is watching and calling for the camps' closure and while Bush is traveling the world talking of “freedom and democracy” — has to give people of other lands pause to wonder what our country is about.

Before the rise of Hitler, there was a breakdown of the German language. By misuse and reinterpretation of language, all the crimes committed in Germany during Hitler's time were made legal; none of the atrocities committed in Nazi Germany were illegal according to the remade German laws. In our country members of the judicial branch have corrupted our language, thereby making illegal actions “legal.” For example, calling people held at Guantánamo “enemy combatants” makes it okay to torture them since “enemy combatants” do not come under the rules of the international accords we have signed. These changes were made by Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and attorney Samuel Alito, who now holds a seat on the Supreme Court, and their staff of lawyers in our Justice Department.

What happened to our nation of law?

So, let us have our Fourth of July parades. But let us carry our flags upside down as we march. It is perfectly patriotic and legal (even without misrepresenting any truths or corrupting any language) to hold our flag upside down. Carrying or flying the flag upside down is a signal of distress, and certainly the fracture and violation of our Constitution are great signs of distress. Carrying our flags upside down signals that some of our greatest freedoms have already been destroyed or are in the process of being destroyed, not by some foreign enemy but by the very people whom we have elected.

As we walk, let us also wear a black armband in memory of the thousands of Americans and Iraqis who have been the victims of this illegal war.

And as we walk, let us reflect. Let us not fool ourselves into thinking that we are sending our youngsters to Iraq to kill and be killed so that we can be free here on our streets. The purpose of our being in Iraq is to control it and its resources. Why else are we constructing the largest U.S. embassy in the world in Iraq, a nation of some 24 million people? And why are we building five huge U.S. military bases in Iraq?

As Lincoln said, “you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”



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Friday afternoon, drinking a cup of coffee while sitting in the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center on Chicago's south side, a Veterans Administration cop walked up to me and said, "Okay, you've had your 15 minutes, it's time to go."

"Huh?" I asked intelligently, not quite sure what he was talking about.

"You can't be in here protesting," Officer Adkins said, pointing to my Veterans For Peace shirt.

"Well, I'm not protesting, I'm having a cup of coffee," I returned, thinking that logic would convince Adkins to go back to his earlier duties of guarding against serious terrorists.

Flipping his badge open, he said, "No, not with that shirt. You're protesting and you have to go."

Beginning to get his drift, I said firmly, "Not before I finish my coffee."

He insisted that I leave, but still not quite believing my ears, I tried one more approach to reason.

"Hey, listen. I'm a veteran. This is a V.A. facility. I'm sitting here not talking to anybody, having a cup of coffee. I'm not protesting and you can't kick me out."

"You'll either go or we'll arrest you," Adkins threatened.

"Well, you'll just have to arrest me," I said, wondering what strange land I was now living in.

You know the rest. Handcuffed, led away to the facility's security office, past people with surprised looks on their faces, read my rights, searched, and written up.

The officer who did the formalities, Eric Ousley, was professional in his duties. When I asked him if he was a vet, it turned out he had been a hospital corpsman in the Navy. We exchanged a couple sea stories. He uncuffed me early. And he allowed as to how he would only charge me with disorderly conduct, letting me go on charges of criminal trespass and weapons possession -- a pocket knife -- which he said would have to be destroyed (something I rather doubt since it was a nifty Swiss Army knife with not only a bottle opener, but a tweezers and a toothpick).

After informing me I could either pay the $275 fine on the citation or appear in court, Ousley escorted me off the premises, warning me if I returned with "that shirt" on, I'd be arrested and booked into jail.

I'm sure I could go back to officers Adkins' and Ousleys' fiefdom with a shirt that said, "Nuke all the hajis," or "Show us your tits," or any number of truly obscene things and no one would care. Just so it's not "that shirt" again.

And just for the record? I'm not paying the fine. I'll see Adkins and Ousley and Dubya's Director of the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, if he wants to show up, in United States District Court on the appointed date. And if there's a Chicago area attorney who'd like to take the case, I'd really like to sue them -- from Dubya on down. I have to believe that this whole country has not yet gone insane, just the government. This kind of behavior can't be tolerated. It must be challenged.

I was at the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center because I'm participating in the Voices for Creative Nonviolence's 30-day, 320-mile "Walk for Justice," from Springfield to North Chicago, Illinois, to reclaim funding for the common good and away from war.


Boy, I'm sure glad HE'S off the street.  I feel much safer!  I think he's doing the right thing throughout this story.

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I was at the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center because I'm participating in the Voices for Creative Nonviolence's 30-day, 320-mile "Walk for Justice," from Springfield to North Chicago, Illinois, to reclaim funding for the common good and away from war.


So, he was protesting?

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Try this one on for size, Stewie.

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He he I've actually seen that one before.  Remember...don't wear sunscreen...it gives you cancer.

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Man Raided By FBI, ATF, Canadian Law Enforcement After Handing Out 'Subversive' Alex Jones Material
Gun seller questioned on militia, ownership of George Washington speeches

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | July 6 2006

A Dillon Montana man had his home raided by 40 FBI, BATF and Canadian law enforcement agents after handing out Alex Jones' material to his local Sheriff which was subsequently deemed 'subversive'.

Richard Celata sells 80% completed firearms kits intended for purchasers who want to avoid having to register their weapons in government databases. The kits are completely legal in Montana.

Celata was politically active in disseminating the material of Alex Jones and others in his area, including handing out material to his local Sheriff.

"On Monday morning the Sheriff called me and said, I've read all your stuff, I would like to speak to you on Wednesday, could you come in," Celata told GCN radio host Jack Blood.

Celata said he thought the scheduled meeting on Wednesday was strange because there was an election on the Tuesday and the Sheriff wouldn't have known whether he'd still be in office or not.

"Wednesday morning I get a phone call saying 'I lost the election and it's even more important that we have our meeting than it was before'."

Celata collected material he had previously handed out to the Sheriff and traveled to his office.

"I walk into the room and there's way too many people in the Sheriff's office," said Celata.

Celata said he knew he was in trouble as he was introduced to BATF and FBI agents and handed a search warrant and a promise that his premises were going to be raided.

"I read the search warrant and low and behold there's no signed affidavit," said Celata.

Celata told the Sheriff that the search warrant was therefore void to which the FBI and BATF responded that the affidavit was secret and sealed by the court.

"Now they can make up the affidavit to match what they found if they want to," said Celata as he was told that the agents would carry out the search anyway.

Celata was then escorted by an estimated 40 FBI, ATF and Canadian law enforcement agents to his property. Celata asked if he could call his wife so as to enable her and their two small children to leave the property before the SWAT team arrived but was refused on the grounds that he was giving her a secret code to destroy evidence. However, the Sheriff allowed the call to be made and the family was able to leave. At no point was Celata shown any identification by any of the agents.

The cadre of agents, which now included Canadian AFT agents, then began the process of methodically cataloguing and seizing Celata's possessions - bizarrely urinating on the exterior of the property ignoring the two bathrooms located inside the building.

Celata was told, without being shown any supporting evidence, that five of the pistols he had sold were used to commit murders in Canada.

"I said look, guns don't kill people - people kill people," said Celata.

Following the raid Celata was questioned on his ownership of a Citizen's Rulebook, speeches by George Washington and Alex Jones' books and videos. He was asked why he read and listened to them and if he believed them.

The agents asked Celata if he was in a militia or if he knew anyone that was. Celata had previously sent out material asking why Montana didn't have a state organized militia when it was required by law.

The agents then specifically asked Celata about specific individuals in the freedom movement, including JPFO's Aaron Zelman, author Devvy Kidd and constitutional attorney Edward Vieira. The only way the agents could have known about Celata's interest in the work of Kidd and Vieira was if they had gained access to his e mail.

After this three hour interrogation the agents took Celata's entire inventory of 80% finished frames, copied his computer hard drive (causing the computer to break down), and left.

Tune in to the Alex Jones show today for more details on the raid. The audio MP3 of the interview will be posted here later.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml&me...

That's amazing and ironic.  The Federal Reserve (which is neither federal nor a reserve) is saying we're going bankrupt?  Well it's weird because they were set up by the globalists just for that reason!!!

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http://lataan.blogspot.com/2006/07/did-palestinians-really-dig-tunnel.html

Discussion of the tunnel that led to the 1st Israeli soldier's capture.


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As an engineer I’ve given the notion of digging a tunnel which the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs tells us was some 650 metres long,[1] dug under sand across the Gaza border into Israel some thought. I’m beginning to wonder whether this is actually feasible especially considering that it would have to be built covertly and across the terrain that Israel claims. A 650 metre long covert tunnel being constructed under sand is a considerable undertaking the logistics of which would be enormous.


In my opinion this is how we are going to get in a war with Iran. This tunnel thing Israel told us stinks. And the 2 soldiers that were kidnapped a couple days ago were actually inside the Lebanon border, so of course Hezbollah took that as an act of war and attacked them.

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That's amazing and ironic.  The Federal Reserve (which is neither federal nor a reserve) is saying we're going bankrupt?  Well it's weird because they were set up by the globalists just for that reason!!!

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Oh who owes us money?  No one...why?  Because we owe millions upon millions of dollars to China, the UN, and Japan.  That's why the UN now owns the Grand Canyon, Carl's Bad Caverns, and a multitude of other "nation" parks.  No one owes us money because most of the countries don't borrow or spend more money then they have.  Those who do owe money only owe the IMF and the like and they made their deal with Satan a long time ago.

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Wow who is surprised at this?

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Audit: iPods, dog booties, beer-making equipment among expenses

WASHINGTON - The Homeland Security Department wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars last year on iPods, dog booties, beer-making equipment and designer jackets, congressional investigators have concluded.

More than 100 laptop computers and a dozen boats also bought by Homeland Security employees are missing, the investigators found.

Poor training, lax oversight and rampant confusion over what employees are allowed to buy with government-issued purchase cards left Homeland Security "vulnerable to fraud, waste and abuse," according to a draft report by the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative and auditing arm.
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The report was to be released Wednesday by a Senate panel that oversees the department.

Senators said more than 10,000 Homeland Security employees carry purchase cards for business-related expenses — with a spending limit that was raised to $250,000 for emergencies after Hurricane Katrina hit last Aug. 29. Aides said the audit covered expenses for a five-month period both before and after Katrina.

Investigators: Scant training, lax supervision
But investigators found that employees received scant training on how to use the cards, were given little or lax supervision and were told to follow spending guidelines that differed among the 22 agencies that make up the department.

The department spent $435 million with the purchase cards in the 2005 budget year, compared with $296 million in 2004, Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said Tuesday evening. But he said only a fraction of the expenses were improper, noting that the department has disciplined about 70 employees amid 1.1 million purchases.

"Comparatively, we're talking about a small number of bad apples," Knocke said.

Among the expenses that investigators described as abusive or otherwise questionable:

    * More than 2,000 sets of dog booties, costing $68,442, that have sat unused in storage since emergency responders decided they were not suited for canines assisting in Gulf Coast recovery efforts.
    * Three portable shower units for $71,170 from a contractor who investigators said overcharged the government. Customs and Border Protection agents could have gotten similar showers for nearly a third of the price — and faster.
    * 12 Apple iPod Nanos and 42 iPod Shuffles, worth $7,000, for Secret Service "training and data storage." Because the Shuffles cost less than $300, the Secret Service said they were not required to track them to ensure they were used properly.
    * 37 black Helly Hansen designer rain jackets, costing nearly $2,500, for use in a firing range that the Customs and Border Protection purchaser later acknowledged shuts down when it's raining.
    * Conference and hotel rooms at a golf and tennis resort at St. Simons Island in Georgia, worth $2,395, for training 32 newly hired attorneys when they could have used a nearby federal law enforcement training center.
    * A beer brewing kit and ingredients for more than $1,000 for a Coast Guard official to brew alcohol while on duty as a social organizer for the U.S. Coast Guard Academy. "The estimated price for a six-pack of USCG beer was $12," the investigators noted, adding: "Given that the six-pack cost of most beers is far less than $12, it is difficult to demonstrate that the Academy is achieving cost savings by brewing its own beer."

Investigators also noted that Customs and Border Protection wasted up to $464,586 by buying meals-ready-to-eat over the Internet instead of contracting through the Pentagon, as is standard procedure. And they found that the Federal Emergency Management Agency cannot locate 107 laptops, 22 printers and two GPS units worth $170,000. FEMA also cannot find 12 of 20 boats the agency bought for $208,000.
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I can see misplacing a laptop or two, but over 100?  Worse yet, how the heck do you lose twelve boats?

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A judge ruled Friday that a 16-year-old boy fighting to use alternative treatment for his cancer must report to a hospital by Tuesday and accept treatment that doctors deem necessary, the family's attorney said.

The judge also found Starchild Abraham Cherrix's parents were neglectful for allowing him to pursue alternative treatment of a sugar-free, organic diet and herbal supplements supervised by a clinic in Mexico, lawyer John Stepanovich said.

Jay and Rose Cherrix of Chincoteague on Virginia's Eastern Shore must continue to share custody of their son with the Accomack County Department of Social Services, as the judge had previously ordered, Stepanovich said.

The parents were devastated by the new order and planned to appeal, the lawyer said.

Stepanovich said he will ask a higher court on Monday to stay enforcement of the order, which requires the parents to take Abraham to Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters in Norfolk and to give the oncologist their written legal consent to treat their son for Hodgkin's disease.

"I want to caution all parents of Virginia: Look out, because Social Services may be pounding on your door next when they disagree with the decision you've made about the health care of your child," Stepanovich said.

Phone calls to the Cherrix home went unanswered.

The lawyer declined to release the ruling, saying juvenile court Judge Jesse E. Demps has sealed much of the case.

Social Services officials have declined to comment, citing privacy laws.

After three months of chemotherapy last year made him nauseated and weak, Abraham rejected doctors' recommendations to go through a second round when he learned early this year that his Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymph nodes, was active again.

A social worker then asked a judge to require the teen to continue conventional treatment. In May, the judge issued a temporary order finding Abraham's parents neglectful and awarding partial custody to the county, with Abraham continuing to live at home with his four siblings.


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Thats rediculous, if he wants to do his own thing, by all means let him. I would prefer natural means besides "oh we are gonna keep him here for another few week$ to monitor him for any more possible cancerou$ growth$.
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Briney hit it on the head.

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MONTE RIO - Hundreds of protesters gathered outside an exclusive California retreat for government and business leaders Saturday to challenge the right of a ''ruling elite'' to make policy decisions without public scrutiny.

The annual Bohemian Grove retreat has attracted powerful men such as Ronald Reagan, George Bush, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, philanthropist David Rockefeller, former West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

It's also become a magnet for all types of activists who increasingly use the event to network and organize their campaigns. Saturday's triple-digit heat didn't stop them from making the trek to Monte Rio, a resort town about 70 miles north of San Francisco.

''I want to take a stand against war and many of the people gathering here are the people pulling the strings,'' said Maria Potter, 38, of Occidental. ''I don't feel it's fair for them to take refuge when others can't.''

Protesters listened to an Indian drum ensemble and speakers and planned to march to the front of the retreat before an afternoon get-together.

For more than a quarter century, summer protests under the towering redwoods here have been a magnet for committed activists. Protesters say the event is quickly becoming a networking spot for leaders from the peace, environmental and immigrant rights movements.

The protests peaked at about 1,000 in 2001 before attendance dropped off. Protesters say interest has picked up in the past two years as activists realized they needed to work together on the waning anti-war movement and immigrants rights.

''Because they are up there networking and getting stronger, we need to network, too,'' said Mary Moore, 71, who's helped organize the event since 1980. ''The idea is for people to get together and realize we have a common antagonist.''

Protesters turned to anti-war march organizer Act Now to Stop War and End Racism for help with this year's protest, hoping the group could beef up the anti-war movement.

''What we're trying to do is build a broad grass-roots action,'' said Bill Hackwell, an ANSWER organizer based in San Francisco.

The men who attend the Bohemian Grove retreat spend two weeks performing plays, eating gourmet camp grub, listening to speakers and power-bonding at the 2,700-acre compound near the Russian River in Sonoma County.

The retreat is organized by the exclusive San Francisco-based Bohemian Club. The club and event are shrouded in mystery, much like Yale University's most-famous secret society, Skull and Bones, whose members include President George W. Bush and his presidential rival Sen. John Kerry.

A Nevada man who called himself ''the Phantom Patriot'' was found guilty of five felonies in recent years after he broke into the grove to stop what he thought were human sacrifices and child abuse.

Matt Oggero, the Bohemian Club's general manager, said a guest list would not be released to protect visitors' privacy, but the organization ''respects the right of the protesters to protest.''

Bill Strubbe, 51, drove several hours to the protest from Oakland in a 1980 red Volvo covered with painted slogans like ''those who would give up their liberties for security deserve neither.'' Strubbe said he uses his car as ''a political weapon.''

''I go to practically every demonstration within 100 miles,'' Strubbe said. ''This is probably the highest concentration except for the G-8 of the 'lizard people' as I like to call them."


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I will now show you two stories that portrays the greatest amount of double think by the elite as possible.  The first story is from today and the second story is from about a month ago.

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By Holly Yeager in Washington and Aline van Duyn in New York
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Rupert Murdoch, the conservative media mogul, said it was unlikely that he would support Hillary Clinton if she were to run for president – just days after hosting a New York fundraiser for her Senate re-election campaign.

Appearing on the Charlie Rose Show, the US public television interview programme, Mr Murdoch said on Thursday that if the 2008 presidential contest came down to a choice between Mrs Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner, and John McCain, the Republican frontrunner, he would "probably support McCain. If it was happening today, I think so."
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Mr Murdoch's New York Post tabloid was tough on Mrs Clinton during her first campaign for the Senate six years ago, and his media group, including the conservative Fox News, were part of the "vast rightwing conspiracy" that she said targeted her husband Bill while he was president.

Mr Murdoch's surprising decision to host a fundraiser was seen as a warming of relations between the two and an indication that Mrs Clinton's attempt to soften her liberal reputation was working, at least on him.

But Mr Murdoch, the chairman and chief executive of News Corp, insisted that the fundraiser was based on her performance as a senator.

He called her "a very impressive, able woman" but said he remained uncertain of her political philosophy. "Has she suddenly become a moderate and a centrist in everything or is she the old Hillary Clinton? I don't know."

Mr Murdoch has been a strong supporter of Tony Blair, the British prime minister; the decision by The Sun, one of his newspapers, to back Mr Blair in the 1997 general election is considered to have contributed to Mr Blair's electoral success.

Asked if he was keeping the door open to giving similar support to Mrs Clinton in 2008, Mr Murdoch said: "I'd be very surprised if I found myself doing that." But he said Mr McCain "would be a fine president".

"I like him very much. I think he's a great natural hero, and I think he's talking a lot of sense," Mr Murdoch said.

That praise was offered despite Mr McCain's support of an overhaul of the cable industry's pricing model that would allow for more customer choice. "It would destroy the business and destroy so many channels," Mr Murdoch said.

A WNBC/Marist poll of New York voters, released on Friday, showed that Mrs Clinton continues to lead her potential rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination. But many – including 54 per cent of Democrats – think she will not be elected president. And while the state usually backs Democrats in presidential races, the poll found Mrs Clinton trailing to Rudy Giuliani, the Republican former mayor of New York, and in a close contest with Mr McCain.

Mr Murdoch was also asked what he thought of David Cameron, the new leader of the Conservative party in Britain.

"Not much," he said, potentially reducing the chances that Mr Murdoch's media empire would give him its backing in the next general election.




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Mon May 08 2006 18:25:16 ET

Rupert Murdoch has agreed to host a political fundraiser for Hillary Clinton this summer!

Murdoch's surprise decision to raise money for Clinton, on behalf of NEWS CORP., parent company of FOXNEWS and the NEW YORK POST, underlines a dramatic turn of relations between Murdoch and Clinton, who in 1998 coined the phrase ?vast rightwing conspiracy? to denounce critics of her husband.

The move by Murdoch is believed to reflected his views of her as a senator, rather than as a presidential candidate in 2008.

Last week, Clinton surprised Washington and media watchers by attending a FOX NEWS anniversary party, where she toasted Murdoch.

Political powerbroker and studio head Harvey Weinsten is said to have convinced Hillary that Murdoch could be a friend, not a foe, in her ongoing political maneuvers.


Same story different source:
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush's penchant for writing exceptions to laws he has just signed violates the Constitution, an American Bar Association task force says in a report highly critical of the practice.

The ABA group, which includes a one-time FBI director and former federal appeals court judge, said the president has overstepped his authority in attaching challenges to hundreds of new laws.

The attachments, known as bill-signing statements, say Bush reserves a right to revise, interpret or disregard measures on national security and constitutional grounds.

"This report raises serious concerns crucial to the survival of our democracy," said the ABA's president, Michael Greco. "If left unchecked, the president's practice does grave harm to the separation of powers doctrine, and the system of checks and balances that have sustained our democracy for more than two centuries."

Some congressional leaders had questioned the practice. The task force's recommendations, being released Monday in Washington, will be presented to the 410,000-member group next month at its annual meeting in Hawaii.

ABA policymakers will decide whether to denounce the statements and encourage a legal fight over them.

The task force said the statements suggest the president will decline to enforce some laws. Bush has had more than 800 signing statement challenges, compared with about 600 signing statements combined for all other presidents, the group said.

Noel J. Francisco, a former Bush administration attorney who practices law in Washington, said the president is doing nothing unusual or inappropriate.

"Presidents have always issued signing statements," he said. "This administration believes that it should make clear ... when the Congress is getting close to the lines that our Constitution draws."

Francisco said the administration's input is part of the give and take between the branches of government. "I think it's good that the debate is taking place at a public level," he added.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said last month that "it's important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions."

The ABA report said President Reagan was the first to use the statements as a strategic weapon, and that it was encouraged by then-administration lawyer Samuel Alito -- now the newest Supreme Court justice.

The task force included former prosecutor Neal Sonnett of Miami; former FBI Director William Sessions; Patricia Wald, former chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit; former Republican Rep. Mickey Edwards; and former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein; and law school professors and other lawyers.


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Federal officials are preventing Hurricane Katrina victims in government trailer parks from being interviewed by the media unless a FEMA agent is present at all times.


Many victims of Hurricane Katrina still reside in FEMA trailer parks like this one, but are being precluded from talking with the media unless federal officials are present.


The rule is coming under heavy fire from Louisiana's congressional delegation who are blasting the policy as absurd and outrageous.

"How in the world can you stop someone in their home from talking to whomever they want?" Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-Kenner, asked the Baton Rouge Advocate. "It's a freedom of speech issue; it's a freedom of association issue."

Jindal was reacting to an incident the paper reported July 15, where a reporter and photographer were ordered off a Federal Emergency Management Agency-operated trailer park in Morgan City, La.

The journalists were invited to a trailer by resident Dekotha Devall and her family. But during the interview, the news team was ordered by a security guard to leave.

When the reporter tried giving a business card to Devall, the security guard called police, saying such an act was forbidden.


The guard also told another resident, Pansy Ardeneaux, she was not permitted to speak to reporters through a chain-link fence at the park and ordered her back to her trailer.

Upon learning of the incident, FEMA officials said media had to be escorted at all times by members of the agency.

"If a resident invites the media to the trailer, they have to be escorted by a FEMA representative who sits in on the interview," FEMA spokeswoman Rachel Rodi told the Advocate. "That's just policy."

FEMA says it's not allowing media easy access to its trailer parks in order to "protect the privacy" of those dwelling there.


Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-La.

Jindal calls such a policy ridiculous.

"FEMA just strikes you as a bureaucracy that's out of control," the congressman said. "You don't lose your fundamental rights just because you're living in temporary housing. It's an outrageous pattern of behavior."

"To try and defend the behavior and say that was FEMA policy added insult to injury," Jindal added. "FEMA should have apologized and tried to rectify the situation."

Other members of Congress are stunned.

"These people are not incarcerated; they're not crooks," said Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville. "There's no reason why the press or anyone else shouldn't be able to talk to these folks if they want to talk."


Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La.

Rep. Charles W. Boustany, R-Lafayette, noted, "This seems to be a clear case of arrogance coupled with incompetence and that' s not a good combination. I don't think the heavy hand of government should be telling people what they can and can't do in that regard."

The Society of Professional Journalists has already sent a complaint to FEMA Director David R. Paulison. It was signed by SPJ president David E. Carlson and Charles N. Davis, co-chair of the Freedom of Information Committee.

"On behalf of the Society of Professional Journalists, we are writing to express outrage at the treatment given to residents of FEMA parks in Louisiana and the journalists trying to report their stories," the two wrote.

"We are outraged by the arrogance and contempt for public discourse on display in Louisiana, a year after FEMA's performance in the wake of Katrina earned it widespread criticism," the letter states. "Now FEMA is banning reporters from public property as reporters try to provide scrutiny of the agency.

"We fail to see how such journalism is anything but the very sort of newsgathering for which the First Amendment was created," the letter says.

The message requests FEMA evaluate "the constitutionality of any policy that dictates when and how those affected by FEMA's work may speak to the press."

It concludes, "Receipt of FEMA aid should not mean that citizens leave their constitutional rights behind."


I hate FEMA, and I'm not overly fond of supporting Katrina victims a full year after the fact, but this is total crap.

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Welcome to Amerika...where freedom of speech is an after thought and we design special areas for them!

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Cell Phone Picture Called Obstruction Of Justice
Man Arrested For Shooting Photo Of Police Activity

POSTED: 6:41 pm EDT July 25, 2006
UPDATED: 5:11 pm EDT July 26, 2006

PHILADELPHIA -- A Philadelphia family said they are outraged over the arrest of one of their family members.

The family of Neftaly Cruz said police had no right to come onto their property and arrest their 21-year-old son simply because he was using his cell phone's camera. They told their story to Harry Hairston and the NBC 10 Investigators.

"I was humiliated. I was embarrassed, you know," Cruz said.

Cruz, 21, told the NBC 10 Investigators that police arrested him last Wednesday for taking a picture of police activity with his cell phone.

Police at the 35th district said they were in Cruz's neighborhood that night arresting a drug dealer.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz said the officer threw him onto a police car, cuffed him and took him to jail.

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. … They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The NBC 10 Investigators asked the ACLU union how they viewed the incident.

"There is no law that prevents people from taking pictures of what anybody can see on the street," said Larry Frankel of the American Civil Liberties Union. "I think it's rather scary that in this country you could actually be taken down to police headquarters for taking a picture on your cell phone of activities that are clearly visible on the street."

Frankel said Cruz's civil rights might have been violated.

"He was unlawfully seized, which is a violation of the 4th amendment the last time we checked," Frankel said.

Cruz, a Penn State University senior, said that after about an hour police told him he was lucky because there was no supervisor on duty, so they released him.

"They said if the supervisor was there I wouldn't be a free man and that he is letting me go because he felt that I was a good person," Cruz said.

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.


Unless there is more to the story than meets the eye, the city of Philadelphia is going to be paying this guy's college fund.

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Don't you know bob...photography is now terrorism.  So is chewing bubble gum, spitting, looking at government leaders, and sneezing.

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WASHINGTON - U.S. citizens suspected of terror ties might be detained indefinitely and barred from access to civilian courts under legislation proposed by the Bush administration, say legal experts reviewing an early version of the bill.

A 32-page draft measure is intended to authorize the Pentagon's tribunal system, established shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks to detain and prosecute detainees captured in the war on terror. The tribunal system was thrown out last month by the Supreme Court.


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Rabble!  Rabble!  How are you post that subversive article!  You're a terrorists!  I'm going to do my patriotic duty and turn you in so that they can come and no one will ever hear from you again!...just like it says in that terrorist paper, the Constitution!  Rabble!!!

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I'm pretty sure that legislation would get struck down in a heartbeat by the SCOTUS.  Talk about anti-constitutional...

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/07/31/school.vaccinations.ap/index.html

Yes give your child cancer and autism with even more mercury and fermaldihide in "vaccines" that don't even work.

Yes vaccines are filled with those ingridents and some other icky and harmful ingredients.

Yes vaccines don't work all the time.  Kinda like saying I have this rock that wards off tigers.  Except this rock oozes with posion!

Research it and find out for yourself what they want to inject our kids with.

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U.S. wants to track students' every step

Does the federal government need to know whether you aced Aristotelian ethics but had to repeat introductory biology? Does it need to know your family's financial profile, how much aid you received and whether you took off a semester to help out at home?

The Secretary of Education's Commission on the Future of Higher Education thinks so. In its first draft report, released in late June, the commission called for creation of a tracking system to collect sensitive information about our nation's college students. Its second draft, made public last week, softens the name of the plan, but the essence of the proposal remains unchanged.

Whether you call it a ''national unit records database'' (the first name) or a ''consumer-friendly information database'' (the second), it is in fact a mandatory federal registry of all American students throughout their collegiate careers - every course, every step, every misstep. Once established, it could easily be linked to existing K-12 and workforce databases to create unprecedented cradle-to-grave tracking of American citizens. All under the watchful eye of the federal government.

The commission calls our nation's colleges and universities unaccountable, inefficient and inaccessible. In response it seeks to institute collection of personal information designed to quantify our students' performance in college and in the workforce.

But many of us are concerned about invading our students' privacy by feeding confidential educational and personal data, linked to Social Security numbers, into a mandatory national database. Such a database would wrest control over educational records from students and hand it to the government. I'd like the commission to tell me how our students would benefit from our reporting confidential family financial information.

Those of us in higher education aren't the only ones with concerns about this. Earlier this month the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities released results of a survey that showed the majority of Americans oppose creation of a national system to track students' academic, enrollment and financial aid information. More than 60 percent of those polled opposed the creation of such a system, and 45 percent of those surveyed were ''strongly opposed'' to the proposal.

Privacy groups from both ends of the political spectrum - including the Eagle Forum and the American Civil Liberties Union - criticized an early form of the proposal that Education Department officials were exploring in 2004

We already have efficient systems in place to collect educational statistics. I question why the commission, which shares our concerns about the increased cost of education, would want to create a database that not only violates privacy but also would be very expensive. Our existing systems meet the government's need to inform public policy without intruding on student privacy because they report the data in aggregate form. Colleges and universities report on virtually every aspect of our students' experience - retention and graduation rates, financial aid rates and degrees conferred by major institutions - to the federal and state governments as well as to organizations such as the NCAA and to many publications, including U.S. News & World Report and the Princeton Review.

The commission seems bent on its Orwellian scheme of collecting extensively detailed, very personal student data. Supporters say it would make higher education more accountable and more affordable for students. Admirable goals, but a strange and forbidding solution.

This proposal is a violation of the right to privacy that Americans hold dear. It is against the law. Moreover, there is a mountain of data already out there that can help us understand higher education and its efficacy. And, finally, implementation of such a database, which at its inception would hold ''unit'' record data on 17 million students, would be an unfunded mandate on institutions and add greatly to the expense of education.

At a time when the world acknowledges the strength of the American system of higher education - that it is decentralized, diverse, competitive and independent - why would a commission on the future of higher education want to impose federal regulations and federal bureaucratic monitoring of individual students in the name of ''improving'' higher education?


Dang I wish I had done better in college.  Maybe then I could be a government chemical engineer and then "mysterously disappear" along with hundreds of others.

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If you've got an hour to blow, this video about militant Islam is definitely worth a view.  It was composed in a very objective fashion, and it certainly opened my eyes a bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&hl=en

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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20060803/1a_coverart03.art_dom.htm

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The federal government keeps two sets of books.

The set the government promotes to the public has a healthier bottom line: a $318 billion deficit in 2005.

The set the government doesn't talk about is the audited financial statement produced by the government's accountants following standard accounting rules. It reports a more ominous financial picture: a $760 billion deficit for 2005. If Social Security and Medicare were included — as the board that sets accounting rules is considering — the federal deficit would have been $3.5 trillion.


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That's what happens when the "federal reserve" took over the country in the early 20th century.  This is what we get!

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http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060805/photos_ts/2006_08_05t152933_450x304_us_mideas...

This Photoshop job is PITIFUL. Why do they allow photographers to do that!? I was under the assumption these fools cant touch up their photographs like that. Its distorting reality.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20060805/2006_08_05t152933_450x304_us_mideast...


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Photoshop, or MS Paint?

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286966,00.html

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Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut after Air Force attack after US blogs, photographers point out 'blatant evidence of manipulation.'


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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286880,00.html

"Israeli war deaths go largely unnoticed"

That was linked to the story you just posted, and is an equally good read.

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http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060807/2006-08-07T162044Z_01_L06301298_RTRIDS...

Looks like the reporter got fired and Reuters pulled 920 of his other photos

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/ap_on_hi_te/aol_search_privacy

Yeah cause AOL really wants to screw people over now!  This is the last thing they needed.

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Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.

BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."

kbrThe contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.

To date, some newspapers have worried that open-ended provisions in the contract could lead to cost overruns, such as have occurred with KBR in Iraq. A Homeland Security spokesperson has responded that this is a "contingency contract" and that conceivably no centers might be built. But almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.

For those who follow covert government operations abroad and at home, the contract evoked ominous memories of Oliver North's controversial Rex-84 "readiness exercise" in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary "refugees," in the context of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States. North's activities raised civil liberties concerns in both Congress and the Justice Department. The concerns persist.

"Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters," says Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of its activities in Vietnam. "They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants. As Alonzo Chardy reported in the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987, an executive order for continuity of government (COG) had been drafted in 1982 by FEMA head Louis Giuffrida. The order called for "suspension of the Constitution" and "declaration of martial law." The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a memo by Giuffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff.

In 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 188, one of a series of directives that authorized continued planning for COG by a private parallel government.

Two books, James Mann's "Rise of the Vulcans" and James Bamford's "A Pretext for War," have revealed that in the 1980s this parallel structure, operating outside normal government channels, included the then-head of G. D. Searle and Co., Donald Rumsfeld, and then-Congressman from Wyoming Dick Cheney.

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets. One month later John Brinkerhoff, the author of the 1982 FEMA memo, published an article arguing for the legality of using U.S. troops for purposes of domestic security.

Then in April 2002, Defense Dept. officials implemented a plan for domestic U.S. military operations by creating a new U.S. Northern Command (CINC-NORTHCOM) for the continental United States. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called this "the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946."

The NORTHCOM commander, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced, is responsible for "homeland defense and also serves as head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).... He will command U.S. forces that operate within the United States in support of civil authorities. The command will provide civil support not only in response to attacks, but for natural disasters."

John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, "The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war."

Then in response to Hurricane Katrina in Sept. 2005, according to the Washington Post, White House senior adviser Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, that she should explore legal options to impose martial law "or as close as we can get." The White House tried vigorously, but ultimately failed, to compel Gov. Blanco to yield control of the state National Guard.

Also in September, NORTHCOM conducted its highly classified Granite Shadow exercise in Washington. As William Arkin reported in the Washington Post, "Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."

It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law.
Many critics have alleged that FEMA's spectacular failure to respond to Katrina followed from a deliberate White House policy: of paring back FEMA, and instead strengthening the military for responses to disasters.

A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site .


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NEW YORK (CNN) -- The Soviet Union, Marxist Leninism, the Evil Empire and their ugly metaphor, the Berlin Wall, crumbled and collapsed almost 17 years ago.

At the time, I thought it was strange that the United States didn't have the inclination to celebrate. There were no victory parades and no fireworks; nor did Congress declare a V-CW Day, as in Victory in the Cold War. There weren't even any grand speeches about America's emergence as the World's Only Superpower.


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I'm tellin ya, Lou Dobbs is on our side and he's getting away with as much as possible.  He's a harsh critic with the open boarder policy and the double think on that subject.  He's called for a real investigation of 9/11 seeing as how inept the "9/11 Comission" was and how the Pentagon lied to them.  He's basically all but said that 9/11 was an inside job.  This guy has my trust and the only reason he has it is because he actually tactles a story like reporters use to before they were owned by the people they're "talking against".

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http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=651

This is your police at work.  Violent and sniveling.  It makes me puke...esp when the officers are laughing at the lady.  Watch the video!

THIS IS OUR NEW WORLD ORDER POLICE THINKING PEOPLE!!!

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The trouble in Malaga flared last Wednesday as two British citizens in their 20s waited in the departure lounge to board the pre-dawn flight and were heard talking what passengers took to be Arabic. Worries spread after a female passenger said she had heard something that alarmed her.

Passengers noticed that, despite the heat, the pair were wearing leather jackets and thick jumpers and were regularly checking their watches.

Initially, six passengers refused to board the flight. On board the aircraft, word reached one family. To the astonishment of cabin crew, they stood up and walked off, followed quickly by others.

The Monarch pilot - a highly experienced captain - accompanied by armed Civil Guard police and airport security staff, approached the two men and took their passports.

Half an hour later, police returned and escorted the two Asian passengers off the jet.


This kind of profiling makes me sick. When the next "terror attack" happens, thousands of innocent Arab/Asian Americans are going to be innocent victims of this kind of fear.

Thanks government, you've managed to make 2 billion human beings enemies in the eyes of the puny, insecure American world.
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You better believe it Briney.

If I may I would like to point out a few details that are clear in the article but I just want to articulate.

These "British citizens were talking in Arabic".  Is Arabic the offical language of terrorists and only terrorist speak it?

"The female passenger heard something that alarmed her."  What was it?  I bet it was the sound of her bigotry leaping from her chest!!!  I just don't understand why the newspaper wouldn't want to know what that "something" was.  If it was "Are you sure that bomb is working".  Ok I'll buy that.  Yet if they were talking in Arabic how does she know what they were saying...unless SHE'S A TERRORIST TOO AND SHE WAS PUT THERE TO THROW US OFF HER TRAIL!!!!

"They were leather jackets and thick jumpers".  A, this is Britian...people wear dresses made out of condoms and they're still stuck in the 80s.

"Regularly checking their watchies".  Hmm at an airport?  How quere (that means strange you sicko people).  Also, so what?  Op!  We only have 2 minutes left before the bomb goes off and we meet our 42 virgins.  Op! 1 minute 45 seconds!  Come one people!

Then the story says that a few people didn't get on a flight and more left, "to the astonishment of the crew".  Were these young Brits on board the plane?  It doesn't say.  Also this part reminds me of an end of an 80s movie where someone starts up a clap and soon others follow.  "No...I AM SPARTACUS!!!"

"Half an hour later, police escorted the two Asains off the jet"?  So they were Brits...but asains....and they were speaking Arabic.  Hmm me thinks Chinese might be the "eerie terrorist language" these poor blokes were speakin!  And I guess they were on the plane after all.

All in all...this article makes no sense and it just shows you the fear, the utter FEAR that people have right now.  Just a little more push and they'll be willing to take the Mark of the Beast and go to the FEMA camps willingly!

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"I want the people to know that we stand on the verge of chaos!  I want the people to know...WHY THEY NEED US!!!"

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=EF6FE6E1-930D-46E8-ABA3-E3F...

Plane diverted because person was in bathroom too long.

"This is what he wants....fear."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/attack/142769.php

Gell filled bras + airplanes = not  a threat.

BUT THE TERRORISTS...THE PREGNET ONES...MIGHT BE DEVIOUS ENOUGH TO USE GELL FILLED BRAS!!!

I was going over some old news stories today about the "thwarted attack". 

"The Scientific American states:

Furthermore, some chemicals can be mixed to create a toxic gas capable of killing people in an enclosed space such as an airplane."

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Do you see what they're doing here?

There was such a scare that members of a terrorist cell could mix certain liquids together to create a weapon.  And what is our government doing?  MIXING THE F-ING LIGUIDS TOGETHER!!! (I feel like Lewis Black here!).

"The XOPL blogger here is bang on the money and I couldn't put it any better:

Sir, I'm going to have to take this bottle of water away from you since it might be a liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to mix it with all of these other bottles of possibly liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to dump them all in this trash can... together. Nevermind that the plot specifically mentions mixing chemicals and/or nitroglycerin... which explodes if handled too roughly."

A little chlorine gas and boom, thousands of people in the air termanal could die!  We are giving the "terrorists" a perfect opportunity to carry out their plans!

This is such a big joke, and I'm getting really sick of it.  I'm getting sick of people just complying like sheeple and I'm sick of the neo-con controlled media convincing everyone that this is a great and glorious thing!  Now the judge who just ruled that Bush's warentless wiretaps is unconstitutional is getting attacked.  Because, those "terrorists" who were going to carry out the attack called phones into the US and we caught them!

However, what isn't reported is how Britian wanted to arrest them AFTER the plan was carried out!  This planet is Satan's now...I see it.  Of course that could just be the 4 Mountain Dews and the 5AM talking.  But, I see no thinking people.  I see spewing and hatred for those that would have the gual...the audasity...to question actions taken.  I'm sick of the Limbaughs, the Hanitys, the O'Rilleys spewing hate over the airways and people thinking them gods among men.  They can spew whatever they want, when ever...I believe in that right.  But I don't have to believe the rehorict!  I don't have to like that when someone brings up Operation Northwoods on Hanity's show that he plays the Twilight Zone music and ask "What did 'they' implant in you today?"  I'm sick of family members, friends, and others not seeing what's going on and believing that when someone talks about this stuff they are mentally ill...or on the same plane as the terrorists.  One day, as we all sit in the FEMA camps (I won't be there...shot dead or guatined and all that) I'm sure you'll even have some praise the overlords for enslaving them!   War is Peace.  Slavery is freedom.  Ignorance is Strength!

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/

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We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.

Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts." But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a living. But they've seen the same movies that you and I have seen, and so the myth of binary liquid explosives dies hard.


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A Florida company wants to get under the skin of 1.4 million U.S. servicemen and women.

VeriChip Corp, based in Delray Beach, Fla., and described by the D.C. Examiner as "one of the most aggressive marketers of radio frequency identification chips," is hoping to convince the Pentagon to allow them to insert the chips, known as RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chips under the skin of the right arms of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen to enable them to scan an arm and obtain that person’s identity and medical history. The chips would replace the legendary metal dog tags that have been worn by U.S. military personnel since 1906.

The device is usually implanted above the triceps area of an individual’s right arm, but can also by implanted in the hand if scanned at the proper frequency. The VeriChip responds with a unique 16-digit number, which can correlate the user to information stored on a database for identity verification, medical records access, and other uses. The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic, and once inserted it is invisible to the naked eye.

The company, which the Examiner notes has powerful political connections, is "in discussions” with the Pentagon, VeriChip spokeswoman Nicole Philbin told the Examiner. "The potential for this technology doesn’t just stop at the civilian level,” Philbin said. Company officials have touted the chips as versatile, able to be used in a variety of situations such as helping track illegal immigrants or giving doctors immediate access to patient’s medical records.

On Monday the Department of State started to issue electronic passports (e-passports) equipped with RFID chips. According to reports the U.S. government has placed an order with a California company, Infineon Technologies North America, for smart chip-embedded passports.

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The Associated Press said the new U.S. passports include an electronic chip that contains all the data contained in the paper version name, birth date, gender, for example and can be read by digital scanners at equipped airports. They cost 14 percent more than their predecessors but the State Department said they will speed up going through Customs and help enhance border security.

The company's hefty political clout is typified by having former secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, Tommy Thompson, on its board of directors.

Thompson assured the Examiner that the chip is safe and that no one — not even military personnel, who are required by law to follow orders — will be forced to accept an implant against his or her will. He has also promised to have a chip implanted in himself but could not tell the Examiner when.

"I’m extremely busy and I’m waiting until my hospitals and doctors are able to run some screens," he told the newspaper.

Not everybody agrees with Thompson, the Examiner reported, noting that the idea of implanting the chips in live bodies has some veterans’ groups and privacy advocates worried.

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"It needs further study,” Joe Davis, a retired Air Force major and a spokesman for the D.C. office of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, told the Examiner.

And Liz McIntyre, co-author with Katherine Albrecht of "Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track your Every Move with RFID," said that VeriChip is "a huge threat” to public privacy.

"They’re circling like vultures for any opportunity to get into our flesh,” McIntyre told the Examiner. "They’ll start with people who can’t say no, like the elderly, sex offenders, immigrants, and the military. Then they’ll come knocking on our doors.”

In an e-mail to the Examiner, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., wrote: "If that is what the Defense Department has in mind for our troops in Iraq, there are many questions that need answers. "What checks and balances, safeguards, and congressional oversight would there be?” Leahy asked. "What less-invasive alternatives are there? What information would be entered on the chips, and could it endanger our soldiers or be intercepted by the enemy?”

The company, the Examiner wrote, is also unsure about the technology. According to company documents, radio frequencies in ambulances and helicopters could disrupt the chips’ transmissions. In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, VeriChip also said it was unsure whether the chip would dislodge and move through a person’s body. It could also cause infections and "adverse tissue reactions,” the SEC filing states.

But Philbin downplayed the danger of the chips.

"It’s the size of a grain of rice,” she said. "It’s like getting a shot of penicillin.”


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Yanno, a soldier can lose his arms to an IED or artillery shell.  Wouldn't it be far smarter to implant the chips into their foreheads instead?

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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Dutch F-16s escorted a Northwest Airlines flight bound for India back to an airport here Wednesday after the pilot radioed for help, and police arrested 12 passengers who had aroused suspicions, authorities said.


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WITCH!!!  He said the word!  Now we have to burn him too!

Uhh and his witchary...made me say that evil, terroristic word!!!

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"How do you know she is a witch?"

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Here's an interesting update on the Amsterdam airport story.  I wonder what Stewie will have to say about this...


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Among the 149 passengers aboard Northwest Flight NO0042 was Tim Nelson, the tipster who first alerted the FBI to al Qaida operative Zacarias Moussaoui's odd behavior at a Minneapolis area flight school five years ago.

Is this guy LUCKY or UNLUCKY ?

WASHINGTON - A Northwest Airlines plane flying from Amsterdam to India was escorted back to the airport by Dutch F-16 fighter jets Wednesday, and police arrested 12 passengers whose behavior had aroused the crew’s suspicion.

Coincidentally, among the 149 passengers aboard Northwest Flight NO0042 was the tipster who first alerted the FBI to al Qaida operative Zacarias Moussaoui’s odd behavior at a Minneapolis area flight school five years ago.

Tim Nelson, who was seated in the forward business-class section, said by phone from Amsterdam that he watched the plane dump fuel as it circled back toward the airport, while several federal air marshals appeared in the front of the cabin, hanging their badges around their necks to keep order.

``It was tense,’’ Nelson said, but he said the marshals never flashed weapons. He praised the marshals and flight crew for doing ``an outstanding job.’’

Nelson said it remained unclear whether the flight crew was responding to a serious terrorist incident or ``it was just a misunderstanding, where you had unsophisticated people flying.’’

U.S. government officials, who requested anonymity, said crew members and air marshals observed the passengers in the rear of the wide-bodied DC-10 trying to use cell phones and passing them around during and shortly after takeoff from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. Cell phone use is barred on both U.S. and international flights. Some of the passengers also were trying to change seats, they said.

The Dutch Defense Ministry said that while the plane was over German airspace just after takeoff, the pilot radioed for permission to return to Schiphol and asked for an escort of jet fighters, the Associated Press reported. It said two F-16s scrambled from a northern military airfield, and routine security measures were swiftly put in place.

Nelson and a fellow flight-school program manager have been hailed as heroes for their phone calls that led to Moussaoui’s Aug. 16, 2001, arrest and brought the FBI tantalizingly close to uncovering the Sept. 11 terror plot.

Moussaoui pleaded guilty to six conspiracy counts in 2005 and, after a jury narrowly spared him the death penalty last spring, is serving a life sentence without the possibility of release from a ``supermax’’ prison in Colorado.

Dutch police spokesman Rob Staenacker told the AP that he couldn’t disclose the nationalities of those arrested Wednesday or the nature of the suspicions against them. Nelson said he watched Dutch police come aboard in threes and escort a dozen men, 10 of them appearing to be of Pakistani or Middle Eastern descent, from the plane one by one in a remote parking area at the airport.

``Some they handcuffed before they took them out,’’ he said. ``One guy was a white guy, with a tie-dyed shirt, a beard and dreadlocks. He looked like a hippie. There was an older man who appeared to be of Indian descent.’’

A few of the others had beards, and some were dressed in shalwar kameez - traditional long shirts and baggy pants, Nelson said.

The incident was the latest of several terror alerts and flight diversions in the two weeks since British police shut down an alleged Islamic plot to smuggle liquid explosives aboard aircraft and detonate them, possibly with cell phones.

Nelson said he was with a flight crew for a Northwest subsidiary, Classic Aviation, en route to Bombay, India, to ferry a plane with a mechanical problem back to an Amsterdam repair facility.

About 15 minutes into the flight, he said, members of the cabin crew hurried past him and stood in the front of the cabin, pointing to the rear.

Nelson said the lead flight attendant then made an announcement over the plane’s broadcast system advising everyone to remain in his or her seats.

``They needed to get a head count. People were moving around in the back, and they needed to get back in their proper seats,’’ Nelson said.

Then the flight attendant made a second announcement, saying that something was going on and that air marshals were aboard.

Nelson said several marshals stood near him at the front of the cabin, but he couldn’t see what was going on behind him. Nelson said he and his fellow crewmembers advised flight attendants that they were available to help if needed, but that was unnecessary because everyone remained calm.


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Actually I have two things to say about this story.

First of all, this guy should have been a hero for stopping the "terrorists".  He went to his superior, he went to the head of the FBI, he even went to the CIA.  Every time he was told to stop his investigation.  In the events of 9/11 I found no proof that the lower agents of the FBI were involved in the attack (which makes perfect sense for a black project).  This guy isn't the only FBI agent to speak out.

Second of all...this news paper reports that he reported it to to his higher authorities...yet they just brush it of as "oh well...that's our government for ya!"  It's kinda like the defense of "welp, boys will be boys".  Would you keep using a watch that didn't tell the correct time.  No, you'd get it fixed or get a new one.  Yet when it comes to our leaders we say..."well we can't change a clock in mid-stream....it might tell the correct time one day.  Ya know what, it doesn't really affect me."

Like all proof that 9/11 was an inside job...everything is public.  It just takes a mind willing to seek the truth for itself and not let our servent (yes that's what they are) to think for us.  I'll stop there because I could go into how the conservative party isn't really conservative...but I'll just stop there.

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Right here in Michigan, you can bid on merchandise confiscated by TSA that is now being sold on the Internet.  TSA makes you hand the contraband over, and they turn around and sell it for a profit.  How the Hell is this legal?

http://my.bidcorp.com/auclist3.asp?lot=12094

This is nothing more than legalized theft by a government agency.

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http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/40755/

You watch the following video and you tell me that what I told you before was some "crazy conspiracy theory"!  The people who always claim this will always say, "Oh but no one is coming forward surely someone would and I'd read about it in the newspaper!"  That's right folks, trust your mainstream medias.  The ones that are held by people in power, there are only 4-6 companies that hold all the US media.  So you'd never hear or read something like the following.  This should be the number one story right now!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=4037...

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The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.


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Moscow -- U.S. filmmaker Oliver Stone, who surprised many with the patriotic flavour of his new film World Trade Center, hinted in Moscow yesterday that he is considering a more controversial follow-up investigating the "conspiracy" around 9/11.

"There is a great story in a movie, a conspiracy by a group of people in the American administration who have an agenda and who used 9/11 to further that agenda," he told journalists in Russia.

There could be a "fascinating project [on] what happened after Sept. 11," the director said at his packed press conference on the fifth anniversary of the attacks.

Stone accused U.S. President George W. Bush of mishandling the fight against Osama bin Laden's militants and using the crisis to stoke fear and bolster his own power at home in a way that was "right out of George Orwell." AFP


Just think if this were to happen and Stone did it truly on the basis of the facts?  Think of not only the believers we could get but pull to the forefront our gripes and conerns about what really happened!  We would have more credibility to talk about this more.

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Stone might have an "accident' should he really go for such lofty goals.
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I don't know.  They'd have to do a really good job, plant drugs and booze if it's a car wreck or "suicide" him.  Let's see if the Hollywood controllers will give him the green light or if stiffleing him would draw more people in.  BTW if you haven't seen the JFK special edition with the added stuff he wasn't allowed to show...it's excellent, top notch.  Tex Marrs, who's been invastigating the JFK conspiracy for a long time, was the inspiration and technical consultant on the movie.  He's a good guy.

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I have a feeling that such a movie will never make it into production.  Most likely, Hollywood will kowtow to the opposition.  I don't think you realize how much most Americans hate the entire 9/11 conspiracy movement.  The hatred toward it on mainstream conservative forums is palpable.

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Yeah a guy at work got pissed when I started talking about 9/11 Conspiracy.  I thought he was going to punch me in the face.

He even called me unpatriotic.  To which I responded - "I find it unpatriotic to allow my own government to act in such a way sir."
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I bet he got mad when you said sir.
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You should've just dropkicked him square in the boys.

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That's good your talking about it though.  Don't give up.  The more people we wake up to this lie the more we can fight back against it.  It's almost sad to know that the New World Order will prevail for a short time, but that doesn't mean we have to take it lying down.  It's amazing the strides we've made up to today.  Before we could have only whispered about 9/11 being an inside job.  Me in 2001 would probably attack the me of today for being "unpatriotic".  Yet it is the same when one becomes a Christian.  The old has passed away and a new person in brought forth.  We must keep fighting against evil...or it will win.

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Reply #338 - Sep 12th, 2006 at 9:59pm
 
And with that Patsy I'd like to quote me some Terry Goodkind from the Sword of Truth series.

Wizard's Tenth Rule

""Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self."

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""People for whatever reason who don't want to see the truth can be acutely hostile to it and shrill in their denunciation of it. They frequently turn their venomous antagonism on whoever dares to point out that truth ... To those seeking the truth, its a matter of simple, rational, self interest to always keep reality in view. Truth is rooted in reality, after all, not the imagaination."
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Reply #339 - Sep 13th, 2006 at 9:33am
 
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Welcome to the bungle...or appetite for disruption

By Chris Williams
Published Monday 11th September 2006 16:28 GMT

Keen security personnel at Birmingham International Airport ordered a man to turn his t-shirt inside out because it bore a drawing of two crossed guns.

Staffordshire design engineer Dave Osbourne was wearing a Guns N Rollers t-shirt.

Guns N Rollers are a team in "an all-female roller derby league located in Portland Oregon", according to their website. Their logo is a tribute to that of hard rocking, hard drinking, legendarily fractious LA band Guns N Roses.

As he waited to board the flight to Newark, New Jersey, guards told Osbourne the graphic represented a security risk, and could upset other passengers. See here for a chilling picture of the deadly duds.

The 21-year-old said: "I am all for extra security, but this was just plain stupid."

Bosses at the airport apologised, admitting guards "over-reacted".

However, something altogether more sinister could be at work here. New Jersey is, of course, home to card-carrying poodle rockers Bon Jovi. We therefore suspect the airport security men working the passage to said Garden State are in their employ, discharging an old grudge against Axl Rose and Co. for putting the Golden Age of Spandex out of its misery.



It's a good thing they made him turn his shirt inside out, otherwise he might have tried to hijack the plane with it.  "Take this airplane where I tell you or I'll rub fabric softener in your eyes!"

I think I speak for the rest of America when I say I'm glad we have such brave men and women protecting us from drawings.  After he turned it inside out, I'm surprised some other nimrod security guard didn't immediately arrest him for carrying concealed.

We are about to reach the point where the earth implodes because it has reached the collected stupidity of humans has reached critical mass.

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Well well well...What do we have here?

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FCC draft suggested fewer owners would hurt local TV coverage

WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission ordered its staff to destroy all copies of a draft study that suggested greater concentration of media ownership would hurt local TV news coverage, a former lawyer at the agency says.

The report, written in 2004, came to light during the Senate confirmation hearing for FCC Chairman Kevin Martin.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. received a copy of the report "indirectly from someone within the FCC who believed the information should be made public," according to Boxer spokeswoman Natalie Ravitz.
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Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that "every last piece" of the report be destroyed. "The whole project was just stopped - end of discussion," he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC's Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.

In a letter sent to Martin Wednesday, Boxer said she was "dismayed that this report, which was done at taxpayer expense more than two years ago, and which concluded that localism is beneficial to the public, was shoved in a drawer."

Martin said he was not aware of the existence of the report, nor was his staff. His office indicated it had not received Boxer's letter as of midafternoon Thursday.

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In the letter, Boxer asked whether any other commissioners "past or present" knew of the report's existence and why it was never made public. She also asked whether it was "shelved because the outcome was not to the liking of some of the commissioners and/or any outside powerful interests?"

The report, written by two economists in the FCC's Media Bureau, analyzed a database of 4,078 individual news stories broadcast in 1998. The broadcasts were obtained from Danilo Yanich, a professor and researcher at the University of Delaware, and were originally gathered by the Pew Foundation's Project for Excellence in Journalism.

The analysis showed local ownership of television stations adds almost five and one-half minutes of total news to broadcasts and more than three minutes of "on-location" news. The conclusion is at odds with FCC arguments made when it voted in 2003 to increase the number of television stations a company could own in a single market. It was part of a broader decision liberalizing ownership rules.

Community responsiveness
At that time, the agency pointed to evidence that "commonly owned television stations are more likely to carry local news than other stations."

When considering whether to loosen rules on media ownership, the agency is required to examine the impact on localism, competition and diversity. The FCC generally defines localism as the level of responsiveness of a station to the needs of its community.

The 2003 action sparked a backlash among the public and within Congress. In June 2004, a federal appeals court rejected the agency's reasoning on most of the rules and ordered it to try again. The debate has since been reopened, and the FCC has scheduled a public hearing on the matter in Los Angeles on Oct. 3.

The report was begun after then-Chairman Michael Powell ordered the creation of a task force to study localism in broadcasting in August of 2003. Powell stepped down from the commission and was replaced by Martin in March 2005. Powell did not return a call seeking comment.

The authors of the report, Keith Brown and Peter Alexander, both declined to comment. Brown has left public service while Alexander is still at the FCC. Yanich confirmed the two men were the authors. Both have written extensively on media and telecommunications policy.

Yanich said the report was "extremely well done. It should have helped to inform policy."

Boxer's office said if she does not receive adequate answers to her questions, she will push for an investigation by the FCC inspector general.


Ya know, I would ask how they thought they could get away with this.  But then I realized, that no one will do anything about it.  Oh well.  The FCC is our friend...they protect us from naughty words and Janet Jackson's teet.  Well at least one thing is good.  But, come one.  Who here doesn't really believe the stuff we tell you about conspiracies.  This stuff is right in your face and they spit and laugh at you.

It's like a movie scene where there's a bully who's big and stupid and he pushes you down in the mud, makes fun of you in front of everyone, and then makes you eat dirt.  But what he doesn't realize is that you know kung fu and could easily kick his butt, you have the power.  That's like America, we have the power to do something.  Yet not many people realize it and think the government is in control of this country, when you read the Costitution you see that WE are the ones with the power!!!  DO SOMETHING!!!

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Reply #341 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 12:13am
 
I pledge allegiance to lord Bush....

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By Dana Milbank
Sunday, August 1, 2004; Page A05

I pledge allegiance to the . . . candidate?

Political campaigns are always eager to keep hecklers out of their pep rallies, but the Republican National Committee took that desire to a new level last week, requiring supporters to sign an oath of loyalty before receiving tickets to Saturday's New Mexico rally featuring Vice President Cheney.
     

The Albuquerque Journal reported on Friday that people seeking tickets to the Cheney event who could not be identified as GOP partisans -- contributors or volunteers -- were told they could not receive tickets unless they signed an endorsement form saying "I, (full name) . . . do herby (sic) endorse George W. Bush for reelection of the United States." The form warns that signers "are consenting to use and release of your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush."

The paper quoted a Republican official saying a "Democrat operative group" was trying to infiltrate the limited-seating event -- although the party apparently turned away uncommitted voters who simply wanted to hear Cheney speak.

RNC communications director Jim Dyke defended the practice on Friday. "Maybe we should start having joint fundraisers with the DNC," he mused. "Please."

John F. Kerry's campaign has charged that the Bush campaign routinely screens attendees of Bush's speeches, and the Democrats say they do not impose loyalty requirements on crowds for their nominee's speeches. This much is certainly true: If the Democrats are trying to keep crowds loyal, they aren't doing a very good job. When Kerry visited New Mexico a few weeks ago, a group of young men in the crowd waved flip-flops in the air during his speech and chanted, "Viva Bush!"
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Reply #342 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 12:18am
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p53ky3RIjfU

I don't know what people think about this...but I thought it was pretty f-ed up
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Reply #343 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 8:55am
 
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That's like America, we have the power to do something.  Yet not many people realize it and think the government is in control of this country, when you read the Costitution you see that WE are the ones with the power!!!  DO SOMETHING!!!


If you think you've got any real power in this country, you're sadly mistaken.  You'll never be able to get a non-partisan candidate into any notable office at any level of government.  The only power we have in this country is the same as any other country - revolt.  We (currently) have the benefit of being armed, but nothing short of a catastrophic event will prod the American populace into armed resistance.  We're a far cry from that, trust me.

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Reply #344 - Sep 15th, 2006 at 11:53am
 
Hey Pat, here's a conspiracy theory for you that I've brewed up over the past few days.  Oil prices are still relatively high, having only dropped a couple dollars over the past few weeks.  Mind you, a strategic US oil pipeline is still damaged and offline, thereby keeping 8% of domestic oil deposits inaccessible.

Why is gas so cheap, then?

One word: Primaries.  The mid-term election season is in full swing.

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Reply #345 - Sep 16th, 2006 at 1:55pm
 
You hit the nail on the head, Bob-o.  We have more oil turned off right now and are in control of more oil than ever before.  Yet someone, gas comes down to the low $2 mark?  This is a two fold approach.  A) The primaries...you liik at the gripes that Americans have with their "pathetic little lives" and gas prices are now out of the top 5.  The philosophy is "See, we CAN work for you".  B) They are conditioning people to accept a far higher price than should even be necessary.  YEAH GAS IS $2.40!!!  But wait, gas was considered expensive at that price when we jumped in 2000 from the $0.85 - $1.50 prices and we hufted and puffed about it going over $2!  People treat gas prices like they treat the weather.  Everyone complains about it but no one does anything about it.  Well you CAN do something about it.  However that would require people to stand for something and work for it, instead of trusting our "superior leaders".....who are in control of those oil prices. LOL.

If you don't believe this a ploy for us to remain sedated look at what the Republicans have done recently.  BOOM!  Dropped the issue of illegal immigration and focused soley on terrorism.  That's a game they can win.  Why?  Because fear is the best motivator of the mob.  Again I would point you to the list of the top 5 concerns of the people.  Terrorism moved from number 5 to number 1.  Isn't that interesting.  When we're conerned less about terrorism we suddenly have a scare and the concerns go back up.  Take for example the days before elections of 2004.  Not only were we talking about this pie in the sky terrorist attack that would halt the elections but Bush's "intelligence" agencies reports some Arabs had crossed the Mexican boarder and were in Boston with dangerous chemicals.  This was played heavily on CNN, FOX, MSNBC threw the entrie election days...then it just disappeared.  What happend?  Well in fact that "intelligence" was 2 BLEEPIN years old!!!  Come on people!!!  How do you expect this nation to stand when we fall for this again and again and again!?  I'm so close to quiting on caring about other people it makes me sick.


In other news...http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/911_gas_station_video_released.htm .

He he...debate this one!  I need to cool off for a while before I take this on.

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Reply #346 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 11:28am
 
I would request that everyone download the movie America From Freedom To Fascism

http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/860639/Demonoid_com_AMERICA_Freedom_To_Fascism...

It will make you very angry at what our "perfect government" is doing to us!

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US federal judge declares boating illegal in all US navigable waters

By IBI Magazine

In a rather bizarre ruling that has marine industry officials worried, Judge Robert G. James of the United States District Court, Western Division of Louisiana, has said that it is criminal trespass for the American boating public to boat, fish, or hunt on the Mississippi River and other navigable waters in the US.

In the case of Normal Parm v. Sheriff Mark Shumate, James ruled that federal law grants exclusive and private control over the waters of the river, outside the main shipping channel, to riparian landowners. The shallows of the navigable waters are no longer open to the public. That, in effect, makes boating illegal across most of the country.

"Even though this action seems like a horrible pre-April fools joke, it is very serious," said Phil Keeter, MRAA president, in a statement. "Because essentially all the waters and waterways of our country are considered navigable in the US law, this ruling declares recreational boating, water skiing, fishing, waterfowl hunting, and fishing tournaments to be illegal and the public subject to jail sentences for recreating with their families."

Last month, James rejected the findings of the Magistrate judge who found earlier that the American public had the right under federal law and Louisiana law to navigate, boat, fish, and hunt on the waters of the Mississippi river up to the normal high water line of the river. Judge James Kirk relied on the long established federal principles of navigation that recognized the public navigational rights "…entitles the public to the reasonable use of navigable waters for all legitimate purposes of travel or transportation, for boating, sailing for pleasure, as well as for carrying persons or property for hire, and in any kind of watercraft the use of which is consistent with others also enjoying the right possessed in common."

"MRAA is working with the Coast Guard, state boating law administrators, and NMMA to fight this onerous ruling," said Glen Mazzella, MRAA chairman, in the statement.



This is easily the stupidest thing I've heard all week.  Of course, it's only Monday, so I don't expect that to last long...

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You could only expect such a ruling from a judge named James Kirk...

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OTTAWA, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Canadian police wrongly identified an Ottawa software engineer as an Islamic extremist, prompting U.S. agents to deport him to Syria, where he was tortured, an official inquiry concluded on Monday.

Maher Arar, who holds Canadian and Syrian nationality, was arrested in New York in September 2002 and accused of being an al-Qaeda member. In fact, said the judge who led the probe, all the signs point to the fact Arar was innocent.

Arar, 36, says he was repeatedly tortured in the year he spent in Damascus jails, and the inquiry agreed that he had been tortured. He was freed in 2003.

Judge Dennis O'Connor, who was asked by the Canadian government in 2004 to examine what had happened, found the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had wrongly told U.S. authorities that Arar was an Islamic extremist.

"The provision of this inaccurate information ... (was) totally unacceptable" and guaranteed the United States would treat Arar as a serious threat, O'Connor said.

"I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence to indicate that Mr Arar has committed any offense or that his activities constitute a threat to the security of Canada."

Civil rights advocates said the case of Arar and three other Canadians who ended up in Syrian jails raised suspicions that Canada might be outsourcing interrogation to nations where torture was commonplace.

O'Connor said the case of the other three men was troubling and warranted further investigation. But he found no evidence that the Canadian government had played any direct role in the U.S. decision to deport Arar to Syria.

Arar, calling on the government to hold accountable the officials he said were responsible for his ordeal, had tears in his eyes when asked by reporters for his reaction.

"Today Justice O'Connor has cleared my name and restored my reputation," said Arar, who has launched a lawsuit against Ottawa seeking compensation.

O'Connor's three-volume report castigated the Mounties for slipshod work in the wake of the 9/11 suicide attacks.

It said the Mounties exaggerated Arar's importance and later asked U.S. customs agents to put Arar and his wife on a special watch list, calling them "Islamic extremist individuals suspected of being linked to the Al Qaeda terrorist movement".

U.S. agencies declined to be questioned by O'Connor as to why they had deported Arar.

"I do conclude it is very likely that they relied on information received from the RCMP in making the decision to remove Mr Arar to Syria," the judge wrote.

Public Security Minister Stockwell Day, who has overall responsibility for the forces of law and order, said he was satisfied with the finding that Canadian officials had not played a direct role in the U.S. decision to deport Arar to Syria.

"What happened to Mr Arar is very regrettable. We hope ... never to see this happen again," he told reporters.

Arar first came to police attention in October 2001 when he was seen talking to another man already being investigated for possible al-Qaeda links.

O'Connor found that police made a number of serious mistakes in the Arar case.

The unit probing possible terror networks was poorly supervised and was comprised largely of financial fraud experts, who had little experience of national security cases.

Police gave all the files from their probe to the United States without screening the data for inaccuracies or following internal rules that limited what they could hand over.

"It was a breathtakingly incompetent investigation ... a disaster," said Marlys Edwardh, a lawyer for Arar.

O'Connor criticized unnamed Canadian officials, whom he said had leaked confidential and sometimes inaccurate information about Arar both before and after his release in a bid to demonstrate he really was a threat to national security.


See this is why we need the courts...to keep a check and balance on the executive branch.  If I was this guy...I would walk into CNN, FOX news, MSNBC, and any and all TV stations I could get on and tell my story.  Then I would sue the govt for a trillion dollars.  Of course the govt has this nice little law that says that you can only sue them if they let you.  Of course if you try to find the law that requires you to pay income tax...that's another story.

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The French defense ministry on Saturday called for an internal investigation of the leak of an intelligence document that raises the possibility that Osama bin Laden may have died of typhoid in Pakistan a month ago but said the report of the death remained unverified.


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Well gee who hasn't been saying he's dead for years now.  A man who's halfway dead and has to go to an American hospital in Dubi for dialasis isn't going to be hold up in some cave for 5 years.  He served his purpose and now the govt has to say..."Ohh look WE drove him to death...oops here's his new successor."  And of course his new succor will announce after the story is confiremed and no one will question it.  Then we'll just wait for a dirty bomb to go off and within 5 minutes attack Iran, Dick Cheney says he has standby orders all set.

Yea...we're being screwed over by men who think they are our leaders!!!

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Reply #352 - Sep 26th, 2006 at 10:04pm
 
I want to show everyone here why gun control laws are moronic!  This is a story about PA tightening up gun laws.

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By Jon Hurdle 2 hours, 21 minutes ago

HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (Reuters) - Pennsylvania lawmakers held a special session on Tuesday to discuss 94 initiatives to tighten the state's relatively loose gun controls in an effort to reduce gun crime.


Now here we see that PA lawmakers believe gun crime is high because of loose gun control laws.

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The two-day meeting was attended by the mayors of New York and Trenton, New Jersey, who believe their cities' crime rates are affected by the laxer rules in Pennsylvania. The state has one of the strongest pro-gun lobbies in the country.

"What happens in Pennsylvania or any other state doesn't stay in Pennsylvania or any other state," New York's Michael Bloomberg told a news conference. "We can't fight illegal guns from behind state lines." He said 85 percent of the guns used by criminals in New York originated outside the city.


And here we see lord Bloomberg blaming PA on NY's gun violence.  HOWEVER he wants to fight "ILLEGAL guns".  This is moronic.  If PA gives gun they are not illegal, they are legal.  If Bloomberg wants to fight illegal guns, he shouldn't be concerned with legal guns out of PA.

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The state House of Representatives met in a rare "Committee of the Whole" session to take non-binding votes designed to let legislators debate with less partisan pressure. Bills that pass will be introduced into the statehouse and could become law.

The mayors of eight Pennsylvania cities also attended the meeting. Among the proposals was one to restore the ability of local governments to set their own gun laws. The state took that power away from Philadelphia in 1995.


Hmm how come no one blames the state for taking the power out of the hands of local governments to set their own gun laws?  That is amazing...nope all the gun violence must be those NRA and hunting bastards.

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Some 285 people have been murdered in Philadelphia so far this year, 86 percent of them with guns, said the city's police commissioner, Sylvester Johnson. There were 274 murders in the same period last year.


It's amazing that this story doesn't site any evidence of the guns being either legal or illegal.  Just that there were 285 people murdered and 222 were committed by guns.  What about those other murders?  Were they done by knives?  Cars? Axes?  Why not crack down on those?  That would still mean 63 people were murdered without guns.  That's still a lot of people.  Also, the story says there were 274 murders last year.  Why no statistics on which of those were gun related?  Is it because they want people to briefly read this without thinking and believe that all those 274 murders were carried out with guns?  Again, my main point is that the story does not specify the legallity or illegality of the guns used in murders.

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Hundreds of gun-control campaigners from Philadelphia met on the steps of the state capitol demanding stricter controls.

Titus Brown, a prison social worker who came to Harrisburg, said guns were too easily available to young people. Brown's 20-year-old son -- whose picture he carried on his backpack -- was shot dead after an argument on a West Philadelphia street.

"Things used to be settled with fisticuffs," said Brown, 60. "Now these boys are using guns."

Charles Fox, an NRA member who came to Harrisburg to oppose the gun-control proposals, said a proposal limiting purchases to one a month would have no effect on gun crime and would restrict his right to bear arms as enshrined in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

"I resent any infringement on that right," he said. "The way to deal with it is to deal with the criminals."

Proponents say the limit is meant to stop people from buying guns and reselling them illegally.

Another proposal would require owners to report lost or stolen guns within 24 hours.


Again, was the gun used to kill this poor man's son legal?  If not then go after illegal guns and gun shop owners who don't follow the law.  Also, how stupid is it to believe that limiting the purchase of a gun to once a month will decrease crime?  How many murders have thought..."darn, if I only had 6 more guns with me I could do some damage?"  And, also, why doesn't this state already have a law to report lost/stolen guns?  And what if the owner doesn't know it is lost or stolen?

The moral of the story is that 1.3 million crimes per year are prevented due to citizenry being armed.  That means 1.3 million more crimes could have been comitted.  Also, illegal guns are bad and legal guns are good.  There should be some restrictions but an armed citizenry is a good thing.  I would like to know, and I hope the lawmakers are smart enough to ask (ha ha ha ha ha ha) how much crime is comitted with legal guns than with illegal.  Know your numbers people...they'll come in handy right before they take them away from us...just like they did in New Orleans.

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Reply #353 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 8:15am
 
Yanno, there is one statistic that is blaringly absent - how many crimes were committed in New York City by guns legally purchased in Pennsylvania?

I'm going to abstain from getting into the ridiculous gun control debate lest I wast the entire morning typing a four page thesis that won't be read.

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Reply #354 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 10:06am
 
Awww, I was expecting a thesis from you, bob.
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Reply #355 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 11:56am
 
I think somewhere on this forums I posted MY thesis that I did for a class entitle "More Gun, Less Crime".  If it's up there THAT'S a thesis.

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Reply #356 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 8:19am
 
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Judge rejects Ashcroft's immunity claim

By REBECCA BOONE, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 27, 9:09 PM ET

BOISE, Idaho - Former U.S. Attorney General
John Ashcroft could be called to testify in a lawsuit that claims a student was wrongly imprisoned in a computer terrorism case, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.
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U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge rejected Ashcroft's argument to toss out the lawsuit because he was entitled to absolute immunity since his position at the
Department of Justice was prosecutorial.

Abdullah al-Kidd, who played football for the University of Idaho, claimed government wrongfully arrested him in the case against a fellow student, Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, in 2003.

They both worked for the Islamic Assembly of North America, a Michigan-based charitable organization that federal investigators said funneled money to activities supporting terrorism and published material advocating suicide attacks on the United States.

A jury acquitted Al-Hussayen of using his computer skills to foster terrorism and of three immigration violations after an eight-week federal trial. But Al-Hussayen — who was only months from finishing his doctorate study at the University of Idaho — was eventually deported to Saudi Arabia.

Al-Kidd was never called to testify, but he spent two weeks in jail as a material witness and was later released to the custody of his wife with strict limitations on where he could travel.

His lawsuit claimed Ashcroft was personally liable for violating his rights because after the terrorist attacks Ashcroft "created a national policy to improperly seek material witness warrants, oversaw the execution of such warrants, and failed to correct the constitutional violations of conducting such actions," according court documents. Al-Kidd said the investigation and detainment not only caused him to lose a scholarship to study in Saudi Arabia, but that it cost him employment opportunities.

The ruling also means U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and others in the Department of
Homeland Security could be called to testify in the lawsuit.

"We are literally reviewing it at this minute and no, we have not made any decisions at this time," Charles Miller, spokesman for the Justice Department's civil division, said of the ruling.

Al-Kidd's attorney, Lee Gelernt with the ACLU's national headquarters in New York, called the ruling a "vindication" for al-Kidd.

"It will hopefully deter the government from using the material witness statute in the future in the way they did after Sept. 11," Gelernt said.

Al-Kidd is asking the judge to declare that the federal government's actions were unconstitutional, to order the
FBI and other agencies to expunge any records relating to the unlawful detention of al-Kidd and others, and for unspecified damages.


Umm what?  Hey Ashy just because you SAY you have absolute immunity doesn't mean you HAVE absolute immunity.  For example, if a prosecutor were to try a person who he fully knew didn't do the crime that person was charged with, that prosecutor wouldn't only, or at least should, get disbarred, but also could have criminal charges brought against him.  Also, if he's so "prosecutorial" then why did he just throw this innocent, poor guy into a secret CIA prison without any trial?  I think in order for him to claim to be "prosecutorial" you must....ya know....legally proescute someone!  I think this would be more like kidnapping.  However a suit under the Reco law and you could sue him and the govt for illegal actions of conspiracy and organization crime.  That would mean huge fines and the higher up who knew about this and other cases would get their Molec worshiping butts thrown into prison.  Unfortuneatly they couldn't be thrown into the depths of the abyss where they should go...but we'll just have to wait until the Lord comes for that.

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Reply #357 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 9:53pm
 
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MADRID, Spain — A Spanish university professor with a long beard and dark complexion said Thursday he was briefly forced off an airliner during a layover on the Spanish island of Mallorca by passengers who feared he was an Islamic terrorist.

Pablo Gutierrez Vega said he was humiliated when three German passengers on an Air Berlin flight approached him during a layover in Palma de Mallorca on Aug. 30 en route from Seville, Spain, to Dortmund, Germany, and asked to search his carry-on luggage.

The men told him that other passengers were frightened by his appearance, said Gutierrez Vega, 35, a law professor at the University of Seville.

"They treated me like an Islamic terrorist because of my appearance," Gutierrez Vega said, according to an account posted Thursday on the Web site of the newspaper El Pais.

The airline confirmed the incident and called it regrettable.

"I acknowledged that we contributed to this man going through something very unpleasant," said Air Berlin's managing director for Spain and Portugal, Alvaro Middelmann.

After realizing the men were not undercover police officers, Gutierrez Vega refused to hand over his luggage. The pilot then approached the group and led the professor to the runway so they could speak in private.

"The pilot said the passengers believed I was a Muslim," Gutierrez Vega said.

On the runway, the pilot apologized for the incident and said he was willing to expel the passengers who confronted him and continue the flight with Gutierrez Vega on board. The pilot also said he could take Gutierrez Vega's luggage into the cockpit to pacify the other passengers.

Gutierrez Vega said he decided to get back on the plane and store his luggage in the cockpit "because I didn't want to cause any problems."



Thank you Germany for once again making all white people look bad by not knowing the difference between Spanish and Middle Eastern.  And remember children...spying on other people and reporting them is fun...and you'll make money...use it even on your parents!!!  Are they making you eat your vegatable?  Not allowing you to see Jack@$$ 2 on a schoolnight?  Are they not giving you enough video games?  Then report their sorry butts to Operation TIPS c/o the DHS!  Remember that it's only not true if you say so!

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Reply #358 - Oct 1st, 2006 at 2:20pm
 
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Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

What?!

He was suspected!! No word if he was armed! I blame the cops for recklessness, unless more details come out on what happened. Plus 68 out of 110 rounds cant be good for a swat team.
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Reply #359 - Oct 1st, 2006 at 5:12pm
 
Ah but here's where we need to clarrify a few points you've made.

When it says he was a suspect that means he hasn't been tried yet.  A person is always considered a suspect up until the time when he's ruled by a jury and court to be guilty.  Just remember your COPS episodes "All SUSPECTS are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".  So don't let that fool you, it's just legal mumbojumbo.  For example, if I killed 30 people in front of live TV cameras and in front of 50 people...I would still be a "suspect" yes I am realistically the one who did it...but legally speaking I'm not the person who did it until I'm found guilty.

Also, there is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS more details than what's in the paper.  They don't release everything until they are sure they have the right person and you have to assume the old adage of "if it bleeds it leads" from the newpaper business.  So don't take that to heart too much.

68 our of 110 rounds are excellent for a SWAT team...in a wooded area.  These people aren't snipers with the one shot one kill policy.  If they go in and the suspect doesn't give up.  They are going to keep firing until he/she is D-O-W-N.  They will be, as there always is, a shooting review board to see if everything was justified and since this story got so much press and the guy shot a cop, well 2 of them since a police dog is a sworn officer, it'll be a lot more careful.

I am worried whether or not it was justified to shoot the guy but I'm going to err on the side of caution here and not make up my mind yet.

I would say...give the cops some credit...not all of them are NWO New Yorker cops.

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Reply #360 - Oct 1st, 2006 at 5:21pm
 
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As there have lately been so many changes to the basic functioning of the United States -- a shift of powers here, a whittling away of rights there, it seems a good time to issue a revised version of the basic operating document.  This is the real Republican Contract with America.

We the Republicans of the United States, in Order to prevent any challenge to our continued Supremacy, free ourselves from the Confines of Justice, placate the Tranquil masses, degrade the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of War Profiteering for ourselves and our Friends, do ordain and establish Constitution 2.0 for the United States of America.

ARTICLE I
Section 1
All legislative Powers are hereby ceded to the Executive branch, though the Congress will still make a Grand Noise and wave their arms as if they give a Damn.

Section 2
The House of Representatives will consist of those best able to Lick the Boots of the Lobbyists and Corporations lining their pockets. 

No one can be a Representative unless Fox News says that he is a Patriotic American,

Representation shall be apportioned based on numbers of people willing to Pay for the Privilege.  The actual Enumeration shall be made whenever it is of benefit to Republicans.

Representatives will choose a Speaker and other Officers by how willing these Officers are to turn a blind eye to the Crimes of Republicans and how Loudly they will Declare the Daily Talking Points.

Section 3
The Senate shall... oh hell, just see Section 1.

The Vice President shall be President of the Senate and can use any Four Letter Word he wants in talking to Senators, so F-You, Leahy.

Section 4
Elections will be held whenever Diebold is prepared to provide the Right Results.

Section 5
Each House shall make a mockery of policing itself and shall be free to throw out all the Democrats they want, but Republicans who engage in Pederasty shall be protected. 

Section 6
Republican Senators and Representatives will enjoy a Revolving Door of organizations who pay for votes, and give them jobs any time they are taking a break.

Section 7
The House and Senate shall apply a large Rubber Stamp to every suggestion issued by the President.

Section 8
The House shall raise all the taxes they want on the poor and middle-class so long as they leave the Rich alone.

The Congress will dodge all responsibility for decisions on War.

Section 9
The rules of Immigration shall be set in a way that protects Republican majorities.

Section 10
Any treaties are not worth the paper they are Written on.

ARTICLE II
Section 1
The President can do anything he wants, that's what's good about being President.  Heh heh.

Section 2
The President can wear any uniform he wants and pretend to fly planes.

Section 3
The President and the Congress should split some beers now and then, but he doesn't have to invite any Democrats.

Section 4
Having sex is a good Reason to get rid of a President.  Lying, being Incompetent, Wasting Billions, and getting Thousands of Americans Killed, is fine.

ARTICLE III
This Article was full of that Judge stuff, so we just took it out.

ARTICLE IV
We can declare any place we want part of the United States so they can call their stuff "Made in the USA," but don't go thinking they get representation.

ARTICLE V
Amendments to the Constitution will only be for Really Important Stuff, like how scared we are of Homos and Foreign People.

ARTICLE VI
You can ignore any part of this Constitution if it gets in the way of Profit or something that gets Republicans elected.

ARTICLE VII
People are supposed to be afraid all the Time, otherwise they do too damn much Thinking.
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Reply #361 - Oct 1st, 2006 at 10:37pm
 
Does it surprise anyone anymore that the closer we get to elections the more we learn about 9/11 or terrorists?

Remember last election in 2004?  We were scared that the terrorists would "force" us to suspend the elections because of attacks?  And how about the day or two before the election itself when we were warned that terrorists had crashed the Mexican boarder and had a U-Haul full of toxins in Boston?  The scare we all felt that those of us were afraid of another False Flag operation or it being a "real" terrorist attack?  Remember days after the election we found out...Oops that info was 2 YEARS old!!!  Who could have possible benefitted from releasing such outdated...yet scary...info?  I do not know *sneezethebushadmincough*.

Now we have the "laughing 9/11 hijackers".  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2382788,00.html ; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2383229,00.html

Not only will this help "shut up those un-Patriotic, terrorist supporting 9/11 Truth Seekers...err conspiracy theorists" but it makes a great way to remind us who our "lords and saviors" are.  Again, I don't want to suggest, that the Demos are the true "lords and saviors" because they let this stuff happen and they are just as much to blame as the Repubs.

Are we going to see "footage inside flights that went down on 9/11" during the next Presidential election?  NEWLY RELEASED VIDEO FOUND!!!  Give me a break.

And by that...I don't mean throw me in a secret prison that the President is not subject to be held against but can determine who goes and who stays...ya...good job Amerika!  *spits*

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Reply #362 - Oct 2nd, 2006 at 8:35am
 
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The House shall raise all the taxes they want on the poor and middle-class so long as they leave the Rich alone.


Yanno, that was a pretty good rant, but this particular item irks me to no end.  I'm not trying to defend the rich in this country, but saying they don't pay taxes or are privy to some kind of special "tax breaks" is patently false.

The top seven percent of earners in America (being those that earn $75,001 or more per year) pay over 51% of all US taxes.  The top three percent (being those that earn $100,000 or more per year) are responsible for over 40% of US taxes.  The top 0.8% (being those that earn over $200,000 per year) pay 26% of US taxes.  Finally, the top 0.05% of US taxpayers (being those that earn $1 million or more) pay 10% of US taxes.  That's only 67,000 US households, who pay an average of $707,000 in taxes per year.

I'm not saying my heart is bleeding for dotors and lawyers making a bajillion dollars a year, but it isn't fair to paint them in a false light, either.

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CHARLESTON, S.C. -- A City Council member, reacting to a video store holdup believed to have been carried out by children, says parents who can't properly care for their kids should be sterilized.

"We pick up stray animals and spay them," Larry Shirley said in a story published Saturday by The Post and Courier of Charleston. "These mothers need to be spayed if they can't take care of theirs. Once they have a child and it's running the street, to let them continue to have children is totally unacceptable."

Shirley's comments come after police say a video store was held up by a group of children, including a 14-year-old girl suspected of wielding a BB gun that looked like a pistol.
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The holdup happened about 9 p.m. Wednesday at a Hollywood Video store. A 14-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were charged as juveniles with armed robbery. A 9-year-old boy was not charged because police said he was too young. He was released to his mother.

"What we've got is a failure in society, whether it's in Mount Pleasant with yuppie parents or whether it's on the East Side with poor crackhead parents," he said, referring to areas in and around Charleston.

State Sen. Robert Ford, a Charleston Democrat, agreed that the crime highlights a societal problem but dismissed Shirley's suggestion to sterilize people as "crazy."

"What Larry Shirley needs to talk about is getting City Council to provide some recreational facilities and activities for these kids and creating an atmosphere conducive to a normal society," said Ford, also a former councilman.



And so it begins...

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This one goes to my last post above

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A Caney Creek High School dad is fired up because the Conroe Independent School District uses the book "Fahrenheit 451" as classroom reading material.

Alton Verm, of Conroe, objects to the language and content in the book. His 15-year-old daughter Diana, a CCHS sophomore, came to him Sept. 21 with her reservations about reading the book because of its language.
"The book had a bunch of very bad language in it," Diana Verm said. "It shouldn't be in there because it's offending people. ... If they can't find a book that uses clean words, they shouldn't have a book at all."
Alton Verm filed a "Request for Reconsideration of Instructional Materials" Thursday with the district regarding "Fahrenheit 451," written by Ray Bradbury and published in 1953. He wants the district to remove the book from the curriculum.
"It's just all kinds of filth," said Alton Verm, adding that he had not read "Fahrenheit 451." "The words don't need to be brought out in class. I want to get the book taken out of the class."
He looked through the book and found the following things wrong with the book: discussion of being drunk, smoking cigarettes, violence, "dirty talk," references to the Bible and using God's name in vain. He said the book's material goes against their religions beliefs. The Verms go to Grand Parkway Church in Porter.
"We went them to go after God," said Glen Jalowy Jr., Grand Parkway Church youth minister. "We encourage them that what you put in your mind and heart is what comes out."
Alton Verm said he doesn't understand how the district can punish students for using bad language, yet require them to read a book with bad language as part of a class.
Diana Verm and another classmate decided to read an alternative book. They leave the classroom when the class reads or discusses "Fahrenheit 451," she said. The two students were given "Ella Minnow Pea" by Mark Dunn because it shares common themes with "Fahrenheit 451," said Chris Hines, CISD assistant superintendent for secondary education.
"Fahrenheit 451" is a science fiction piece that poses a warning to society about the preservation and passing on of knowledge as well as asks the question about whether the government should do the thinking for the people, Hines stated in an e-mail to The Courier. Other themes include conformity vs. individuality, freedom of speech and the consequences of losing it, the importance of remembering and understanding history and technology as help to humans and as hindrances to humans, Hines stated in the e-mail.
"They're not reading books just to read them," Hines said in a telephone interview. "They're reading it for a purpose. ... We respect people's rights to express their concerns and we have a policy in place to handle that."
A selection process is used for materials other than textbooks, according to district policy. The materials must meet various standards, be appropriate for the subject, age and social and emotional development of the students and motivate students to examine their own attitudes and behavior, according to district policy.
While the district does not know of any other challenges to "Fahrenheit 451," there may have been students who have decided to read a different book. The district estimates about 1 percent of students request to read a different book than assigned, according to the e-mail. "Fahrenheit 451" has been used in CISD curriculum for at least 19 years and "likely prior to that," Hines said in the e-mail.
The district hasn't received challenges on any other books in the four years he's been with the district, Hines said.
A district student, employee or resident can challenge any educational material in CISD on the basis or appropriateness, according to CISD EFA (local) policy. An informal reconsideration is first attempted. Informal requests are not documented, so Hines said he did not know how many requests were handled informally.
The person can make a formal challenge, which Alton Verm did. A committee will be appointed to review the material, discuss the material and report findings about the request to the principal, parent and superintendent, Hines said. The process takes about two weeks.
The Montgomery, New Caney, Splendora and Willis school districts have similar policies.
NCISD banned "Draw Me a Star" by Eric Carle and "Absolute Power" by David Baldacci, but it has not received a book challenge in three years, Cindee Reynolds, NCISD superintendent/community relations executive assistant, stated in an e-mail to The Courier. Montgomery ISD received one request from a parent to review instructional material, but the district has not banned any books, Babette Eikenberg, Montgomery ISD human resources executive director, stated in an e-mail to The Courier.
Alton Verm's request to ban "Fahrenheit 451" came during the 25th annual Banned Books Week. He and Hines said the request to ban "Fahrenheit 451," a book about book burning, during Banned Books Weeks is a coincidence.
"Banned Books Week: Celebrating the Freedom to Read" is observed during the last week of September each year, according to the American Library Association Web site, www.ala.org. The week celebrates the freedom to choose or express one's opinion, even if it might be considered unorthodox or unpopular and stresses the importance of ensuring the availability of those unorthodox or unpopular viewpoints to all who wish to read them, according to the Web site.
Jerilynn Williams, Montgomery County Memorial Library System director, said Banned Books Week keeps the public aware that it is imperative to have access to information in a democratic society. Banning books causes libraries to limit access to information by withholding a person's right to explore a wide variety of opinions to form their own opinions, Williams said.
"Not every book is appropriate for every person, but every person should have their work that they choose," Williams said. "The public library is for everyone."
The Montgomery County Memorial Library System has received 65 requests to challenge books since 2002, Williams said. The library has removed "Castro," for factual inaccuracies, and "Tomorrow Wendy," because it was not under the library's current guidelines, Williams said. The library also has a process for people to follow if they challenge a book, Williams said.
However, Williams said a public library is different than a school library.
"As a public library, we are the library for everyone," Williams said. "The school library is meant to be the library for that select group at that school."
To view a school district's policy on book selection or how to challenge a book, visit the individual district's Web site.
Kassia Micek can be reached at kmicek@hcnonline.com.


Of all the books to ban, they ban the book that was written about books being banned and they do it during banned book week.  Priceless!

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My well worn copy would sit next to my well worn copy of 1984...if I didn't organize all my books by author!

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This is our "land of the free".  This is our "leader" who sticks up for freedom?

Bush says he can edit security reports

By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer Thu Oct 5, 4:06 PM ET

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President Bush, again defying Congress, says he has the power to edit the
Homeland Security Department's reports about whether it obeys privacy rules while handling background checks, ID cards and watchlists.
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In the law Bush signed Wednesday, Congress stated no one but the privacy officer could alter, delay or prohibit the mandatory annual report on Homeland Security department activities that affect privacy, including complaints.

But Bush, in a signing statement attached to the agency's 2007 spending bill, said he will interpret that section "in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to supervise the unitary executive branch."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said it's appropriate for the administration to know what reports go to Congress and to review them beforehand.

"There can be a discussion on whether to accept a change or a nuance," she said. "It could be any number of things."

The American Bar Association and members of Congress have said Bush uses signing statements excessively as a way to expand his power.

The Senate held hearings on the issue in June. At the time, 110 statements challenged about 750 statutes passed by Congress, according to numbers combined from the White House and the Senate committee. They include documents revising or disregarding parts of legislation to ban torture of detainees and to renew the Patriot Act.

Privacy advocate Marc Rotenberg said Bush is trying to subvert lawmakers' ability to accurately monitor activities of the executive branch of government.

"The Homeland Security Department has been setting up watch lists to determine who gets on planes, who gets government jobs, who gets employed," said Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

He said the Homeland Security Department has the most significant impact on citizens' privacy of any agency in the federal government.

Homeland Security agencies check airline passengers' names against terrorist watch lists and detain them if there's a match. They make sure transportation workers' backgrounds are investigated. They are working on several kinds of biometric ID cards that millions of people would have to carry.

The department's privacy office has put the brakes on some initiatives, such as using insecure radio-frequency identification technology, or RFID, in travel documents. It also developed privacy policies after an uproar over the disclosure that airlines turned over their passengers' personal information to the government.

The last privacy report was submitted in February 2005.

Bush's signing statement Wednesday challenges several other provisions in the Homeland Security spending bill.

Bush, for example, said he'd disregard a requirement that the director of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency must have at least five years experience and "demonstrated ability in and knowledge of emergency management and homeland security."

His rationale was that it "rules out a large portion of those persons best qualified by experience and knowledge to fill the office."

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Signing statements should be banned.  It's for the children.

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http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/software_developed_to_monitor_global_opinion...

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LOOK!!! LOOK!!!  Another law President Bush forces the rest of us to follow but he doesn't have to!!!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/10/06/bush_cites_auth...

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Wow pretty scary article if true.

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/fema-concentration-camps-locations-and-execu...

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EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995

allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997

allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998

allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001

allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005

allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051

specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310

grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049

assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921

allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a “new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.” FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the…



In the governments defense (did I just say that?) these executive orders were rendered null and void by a later executive order.
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However FEMA does still have the power to do these.  Also, the EOs are out of date and thanks to the "Patriot" Act they are 10X worse.

Just remember anytime there's an emergency, the President or Gov. can call for marshall law.  It's great to live in a FREE society.

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Remember the days when Christians were boiled in oil and set on fire or fed to the lions?

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(CNSNews.com) - A conservative civil liberties group has filed suit against a school in Greenbelt, Md., for violating the constitutional rights of a seventh-grader who was allegedly threatened with discipline for reading her Bible in school.

"This was a young Christian girl, who has been a Christian for less than a year, and so this is really important for her," said John W. Whitehead, president and founder of the Rutherford Institute, which represents Amber Mangum in the case.

"She is in a public school where there is no religious influence. So she eats her lunch, she's taking a break, she's reading her Bible, and this school official comes up to her and says she's going to be disciplined if she doesn't stop reading it," Whitehead added.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland against Dwight D. Eisenhower Middle School. Eighth grade Vice Principal Jeannette Rainey and Principal Charoscar Coleman are among the defendants in the suit.

According to the student's mother, Maryanne Mangum, Amber was reading her Bible after finishing her lunch when Rainey gave her a "verbal warning" to put the Bible away.

Amber was told she "was not allowed to read it, and if it happened again," Amber would be punished, her mother said. "She didn't take the Bible back to school."

The school district's policy, along with the guidelines under the U.S. Department of Education's 2003 No Child Left Behind Act, gives students the right to read Bibles or other religious scriptures during lunch hour, recess or other non-instructional times.

"NCLBA, which is federal law that came in under the Bush administration, actually has this provision stating that students have a right to read their Bibles or other religious scriptures during the school day. It provides for that. It says also that you can actually get your federal funding taken away if you violate the NCLBA," Whitehead explained.

But Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists, said most of the time, "right-wing groups" that file lawsuits "exaggerate what happened in school, and that is usually brought out later in the case."

"What probably happened is this kid, I'll bet you, was being disruptive. I bet this kid was proselytizing, was preaching, doing something that was annoying other kids and was told to stop. Kids don't normally want to read the Bible at lunch time-I don't care who they are. It's just not something kids want to do," said Johnson.

According to Maryanne Mangum, her daughter became a Christian a year ago. "She accepted the Lord as her savior and is really into church, church activities, and she is really into her Bible. This upset her very much, that she could not do something that she enjoyed doing," she said.

The middle school would not respond to any phone calls or e-mail requests for comment. The school has given no response to anyone, not the Mangums or the Rutherford Institute. The Prince George's County Public School's communications officer had no comment.

"They haven't said anything. They've been very quiet, not saying a word. I don't think there is much of a defense. This is not a teacher reading the Bible in the classroom. This is not a teacher reading the Bible in the lunchroom. This is a child in her own free-time reading the Bible. That's what makes it so outrageous," Whitehead said.


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A 13-YEAR-OLD student was failed after she refused to write an assignment on life in a gay community, because of her religious and moral beliefs.
Her outraged mother, Christian groups and the State Opposition want an investigation into the treatment of the Year 9 student at Windaroo Valley State High School, south of Brisbane.



"It's no wonder our kids are struggling with the basics when the Government is allowing this sort of rubbish to be taught in the classroom," Opposition Leader Jeff Seeney told The Sunday Mail yesterday.

The uproar came as Federal Education Minister Julie Bishop this week announced plans for Canberra to take control of school curriculums from the states, accusing "ideologues" of hijacking the education system .

The girl was among a class of 13 and 14-year-olds asked to imagine living as a heterosexual among a mostly homosexual colony on the moon as part of their health and physical education subject.

They had to answer 10 questions, including how they felt about being in the minority and what strategies they would use to help them cope.

They were also asked to discuss where ideas about homosexuality came from.

Sources said the students were told not to discuss the assignment with their parents and that it was to be kept in-class.

They said many of the students were uncomfortable with the subject matter or did not understand the questions.

The 13-year-old girl instantly refused to do the assignment on religious and moral grounds.

"It is against my beliefs and I am not going there," she told the teacher, who responded by failing her.

After a series of discussions between the school and her mother, it was suggested the girl would be better off leaving the state education system and attending an independent school.

The girl's mother said yesterday she did not learn of the assignment until reading her daughter's report card several weeks later and discovered a first-ever fail mark for health and physical education.

"I went to the school thinking there might have been a personality clash with the teacher," said the mother, who asked to be identified only as Bronwyn.

She said she was shown the assignment. "When I started to read it I thought, 'Oh my God' . . . I was shocked by the content," she said.

"My daughter said she didn't want to do the assignment because she did not believe in homosexuality and did not want to answer the questions.

"She was being challenged, but she should not be challenged like that at her age."

Bronwyn was concerned that her daughter was not given an alternative scenario.

She said the school claimed it was powerless to change the curriculum.

Bronwyn said the school seemed more concerned about how parents found out about the assignment.

"That's what concerns me most . . . the parents had no opportunity to even see the assignment," Bronwyn said.

Ms Bishop said the incident highlighted her concerns.

"This is another example of a politically-correct agenda masquerading as curriculum," she said yesterday.

"Parents need to know the content of school curriculum so they can be confident their children are receiving a high quality education that is also consistent with their values."

The State Opposition and Australian Christian Lobby demanded an investigation.

Mr Seeney said Queensland needed common sense back in the classroom.

"The Beattie Labor Government has created a system that tries to tell kids what to think instead of teaching them how to think," he said.

"It is completely out of line for students to be graded on their moral beliefs.

"It's not the job of our schools to politicise our children. It is their function to provide our kids with the basics, like reading, writing and maths."

Christian Lobby state director Peter Earle said the assignment was not about education, rather a teacher or school pushing their own agenda on young minds.

"The subject matter was totally inappropriate," he said.

After being approached by The Sunday Mail, an Education Queensland spokeswoman late yesterday said the school had decided to drop the assignment from its curriculum and would work with the girl and her family to achieve a "satisfactory resolution".

"The aim of the assignment was to encourage students to think about diversity, culture and belief systems," she said.

"Schools can offer alternative assessment topics in consultation with parents, if the school is aware of concerns about an assignment."


Yeah what's that quote about history repeating itself.  God...opps...umm no one bless Amerika.

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X wrote on Oct 7th, 2006 at 11:09am:


Yeah, so would I.  But you know what?  We'll never see them, because they don't exist.  Do you have any clue how big a prison would have to be to hold 500,000 people?!  I think the commenters on the site were dead on with some of their analyses...


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the descriptions of the bases are completely unsubstantiated, like this:

“Okanogan County - Borders Canada and is a site for a massive concentration camp capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people for slave labor. This is probably one of the locations that will be used to hold hard core patriots who will be held captive for the rest of their lives.”

Where did you get this from? And why a spoonful of truth, followed by a spoonful of sh*t?



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OK lets review…
ALASKA
Wilderness - East of Anchorage. No roads, Air & Railroad access only. Estimated capacity of 500,000 Elmendorf AFB - Northeast area of Anchorage - far end of base. Garden Plot facility.
Eielson AFB - Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility.
Ft. Wainwright - East of Fairbanks

This is too funny.
East of Anchorage is nothing but mountains, no railroads, and zero places to land any aircraft. The railroad does travel northeast on the Fairbanks route, and southeast to Seward it can be accessed by road for the entire length northeast of Anchorage, and is visable from the highway. It may be difficult to access going southeast because of the mountain ranges, but get real, logistics would be far too costly and complicated as 60-70 percent of all consumables must be flown to Anchorage as it is right now, the rest comes in twice a week on two container ships. 500,000 capacity? There are 260,000 people in Anchorage so maybe we already live in the concentration camp? There may be 500,000 people in the entire state…maybe. Eielson..LOL nothing happening there. Ft. Wainright..are you kidding me, there are maybe 70,000 people in the Fairbanks area, and that includes North Pole and Eielson AFB. The simple fact is that there are no facilities in existance that can handle 1,000 people, let alone 500,000. I have personally been all over all of the mentioned bases, and I travel all over Alaska in small planes and Helecopters, so I am quite sure there are no “hidden” concentration camps within 500 miles of any city in Alaska. I dont know about the other states mentioned but I sure am laughing about the list for Alaska. You might as well say the concentration camp is at the Coast Guard base in Kodiak. Thats an island in case you dont know. There are several other bases in Alaska, Ft. Richardson, Ft. Greely, what kind of capacity do they have? Thanks for the great humor, I just hope I dont get sent to the gulag for this. LOLROFLLMAO



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A detention camp for 2 million people is AKA a large city. I laughed out loud when I read that. What blatant BS.

I also love how the camps are fully staffed, but with no inmates. What do the guards do all day? Practice lockdowns? Hilarious.


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Ashcroft is not longer our Attorney General. Alberto Gonzales is. If you can’t even get that correct, why should we accept the rest of your theory? And who would put FEMA in charge of anything of this magnitude. Even W. isn’t that stupid.



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Avon Park Florida is a National Gaurd training base. The “prison” there is a training facility.

I have been hearing about the seceret concentration camps since Jimmy Carter was president.



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This is a cool concept, very urgently rendered. But FEMA couldn’t handle a natural disaster, I don’t see them suddenly establishing, staffing and organizing detention/concentration/re-education camps.



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2 million facility? Do you actually realize the size of that number? That would be larger than Fairbanks itself. How about posting some Google Earth shots of these facilities to back this up. Also a lot is being read into the use of military facilites that I would say is inaccurate.



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Funny…. There is one historic hangar left at the Robert Meuller Airport in Austin, TX. Seeing as how there is a new children’s hospital being built on that very site, as well as extensive plans for a housing development (including schools, shopping center, etc), it seems like a rather odd space for a detention center….



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I live in Hawaii–the article notes that the former Barbers Naval Air Station “could be” used for detention centers. Yeah, and they could also be used for alien landings, unicorn ranching, or mind control microwave broadcasting… but in fact, Barbers is used for homeless vet programs, Univ of Hawaii aerospace studies, and a few baseyards for small construction companies.




For the love of all that is purple, use some freakin' logic here.  I, for one, would also like to see some Google Earth pictures of these facilities.  It shouldn't be hard to find a prison camp that can actively detain TWO MILLION people.

Besides, what would be the point of detaining 3-4 million Americans?  Do you have any clue how long it would take to find that many people, even if they weren't hiding?  Do you have any clue how long it would take to arrest that many people, even if they weren't resisting?  Do you have any clue what would happen to society if 3-4 million people suddenly disappeared?  Do you have any clue what would happen to the US economy if 3-4 million people were arrested overnight?

Think about it, Pat - this is patently ludicrous.

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That's why I stipulated that it would be scarry IF true and that I wanted to see some pictures (although I spelled it wrong in my original).  I know some things are bunk and others aren't...but I also know that the best place to hide a truth is between two lies....and vice versa.

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/49296ee0-56f6-11db-9110-0000779e2340.html

OPEC immediately cutting production to increase gas prices.  WTF!?!?!
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hey man they are makin too much money off of us. They saw that we were complacent in 3$ a gallon and 70+ish per barrel of oil, so why let that fade!

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Ahh but you forget my friends that OPEC is loosing it's control over the US for oil control.  While they DO provide us still with a great deal of oil, US/British oil companies are quickly catching up if not out performing OPEC.  You have places like BP and Tex Co who are making money off the no oil flow in Iraq (on our weakened supply as well as stopping the subsiding to the Iraqi people) and you have "trouble" with the Alaskan pipelines.  The British are having troubles as well as Russia.  I still wonder how much of Venezuela's supply we get but that's a drop in the bucket.  If only we had some "car"....that "ran".....on...."electricity".  Hmm  but the gracious oil companies as well as the businessmen...err politicians who control stakes in oil companies are saving us from the evil electric companies.  We must save the lighting...by drilling in Anwar!!!

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Remeber the days when it was only politicians pork spending.  Shoot even the Pentagon let a little over 1 billion dollars go "missing" and now we have institutions that use our money to screw us.  Yea!!!!

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-hope08oct08,0,3230053.st...

Remember these aren't your income tax dollars since 100% of it goes just to pay off the interest on the federal debt.  This is the money our country makes in order to have our government function to serve us.  Hmm...this sounds like good ol America right here.  I'm sure Jimmy Stewart would stand up for this!

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I like how Drudge and other news outlets are painting the North Korean nuke test as being a "dud" Cause if it were a "real" nuke, then it would reveal the hypocracy of the Bush administrations policy on nuclear weapons. Iran is YEARS away from a nuke, and there is no evidence to support the claim that they are building a nuclear bomb. Nuclear bombs require a 90% or so enrichment of uranium to make it weapons grade. Right now the Iranians can only make enrichment at a 4% or so level. That is just enought enrichment for nuclear power. They are still legally within the non proliferation treaty. Unlike Israel, which hasnt signed it, yet has 200 nuclear bombs. Everyone seems to forget that.

So the Bush Admin has been running up sanctions and talk of military attack against Iran for many months. Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. North Korea obviously does. So why not go after North Korea first? Who knows their motivation for wanting to attack Iran, I dont know. Oil? they are weaker than North Korea, maybe.  I just wanted to point out the hypocracy here, because Bush's language to North Korea's test was something like: "The US condemns the test, but still thinks diplomacy is a viable option."
His language against Iran is something like: "The United States cannot allow this regime to have nuclear weapons, and will do everything to stop it."

Bullcrap. This whole thing just reeks. And it really annoys me to see Drudge and other news outlets spin things like that. When Foley was accused of illicit deeds, Drudge said that it was all a prank to fool poor Foley into saying naughty things. Well 3 other pages have come out, and the one specifically debunked Drudge's claim. Drudge, imo is so far up the GOP's butt, hes just regurgitating party rhetoric. Ugh.

So anyway, don't listen much to our media, its all bull. North Korea did detonate a nuclear bomb. They say that the high explosives required for a nuclear bomb caused the earthquake, not the nuclear detonation itself. The high explosives are used to collide and compress the uranium so that a nuetrino beam can be fired into the dense mass and set off the chain reaction. The explosives themselves are not enough to cause a freakin 4.3 earthquake. ugh.

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From what I heard on CNN headline news this morning, South Korea is getting several threats of these nuclear bombs from North Korea.  That's pretty serious.
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When President Bush signs the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act, he’ll also seal the fate of the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy, putting in motion the decommissioning process for the 38-year-old ship.

The move will give the more than 2,000 sailors assigned to JFK a glimmer of hope that they’ll be able to move on to new assignments soon.

“While we’re still awaiting the president’s signature for the final approval, we are pleased that a decision has finally been made,” said Lt. Sarah Self-Kyler, spokeswoman for the Navy at the Pentagon.

That signature will mean the sailors onboard JFK can begin to plan their futures, but it also means the Navy’s work is just beginning.

“We expect the decommissioning period to take eight to nine months to complete,” Self-Kyler said.

But the service won’t be able to dispose of the Kennedy as soon as the last sailor has departed the brow. Congress has put restrictions on what can happen to the ship once it’s out of service: The Navy must first offer the ship to the Department of Homeland Security and NATO.

Only if those two entities decline to take over the vessel, which is badly in need of overhaul, will the Navy be able to decide whether to mothball the ship or strike it from the register — allowing it to be either scrapped or donated as a museum.

“It won’t be until after we hear back from DHS and NATO can we determine exactly what condition the ship must be maintained in,” Self-Kyler said, of whether the Navy will be required to maintain the ship in a way that would allow her to be recommissioned if necessary.

The president’s signature will also put into motion another process to determine what will replace the Kennedy at Naval Station Mayport, Fla.

“We will evaluate the options, based on the results of an environmental impact survey that will begin once the ship’s future has been determined,” Self-Kyler said. “The results of that survey will determine the way ahead for Mayport.”

That survey will not only look at the possibility of relocating a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to the Florida base, but will also consider other options such as relocating a large-deck amphibious ship, as well as a complete expeditionary strike group.

That survey is expected to be completed early in fiscal 2008.



Alright, what the hell does DHS need a freakin' aircraft carrier for?  It's bad enough that the IRS has heavily armed paramilitary units under their purview, but for cryin' out loud...

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The Truth Will Set You Free | October 11 2006

Why?

Because the suspects are NEITHER ARAB, NOR MUSLIM.

A RETIRED Grange dentist is accused of being part of a bomb plot after a record number of explosives were seized in a Lancashire town.

David Bolais Jackson, 62, of Trent Road, Nelson, was arrested on Friday in the Lancaster area after leaving his Grange practice for the last time.

Jackson was charged with being in possession of an explosive substance for an unlawful purpose. [Notice the absence of terrorism charges]

However, it is unclear who or what the intended target might have been.

Police found rocket launchers, chemicals, British National Party literature and a nuclear or biological suit [!!!] at his home.

The find came shortly after they had recovered 22 chemical components from the house of his alleged accomplice, Robert Cottage, a former BNP election candidate, who lives in Colne.

The haul is thought to be THE LARGEST EVER FOUND AT A HOUSE IN THIS COUNTRY.

Aaah, so what? What's a few rocket launchers and a record number of explosives among friends?

They probably had them 'just in case' some Arab Muslims showed up to sell them falafel or hummus - or worse yet, baklava.

After all, they're white - they would never harm their fellow Brits. Whoops! I could be wrong:
[T]he last London mad-bomber – neo-Nazi David Copeland, who nail-bombed the Admiral Duncan and two other pubs in 1999 – caused far more genuine fear than all these alleged Islamist plots in the alleged "pre-planning" (ie coffee-shop bullsh-t) stage.

Copeland "only" killed three people (and maimed about a dozen more) but not for want of trying – the blast of the last bomb he placed was blocked by a pillar. Targeting places where gay, black and Asian people hang out – ie inner-city pubs with good music and food – he was charged simply with murder.
Let's compare and contrast how Cottage, possessing both rocket launchers and explosives, was treated with how Arab Muslim 'suspects', armed with nothing but their names, were treated:

Unlike the Forest Gate raid in east London in June, which involved 250 police, some of them armed, Lancashire police entered Cottage's home with a handful of unarmed officers.

There was no “air exclusion zone” or assaults on neighbours, no closing down of surrounding streets, and no smear stories about those arrested.

Superintendent Neil Smith instantly moved to reassure residents and stressed, “It is not a bomb making factory.” He was able to add that it was not related to terrorism.


Let's face it - it's just not newsworthy.

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Watch this "liberal media" at work...you sheeple.

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October 12, 2006
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Security and terrorism won't be an issue if Chicago wins the right to host the 2016 Summer Olympic Games because, by that time, there'll be a surveillance camera on every corner, Mayor Daley said Wednesday.


Umm ok...first of all you need a lot of people watching those cameras.  Next, those people will have to tell who is a "terrorist".  Third, they have to catch it in time.  Fourth, they have to notify the police with enough time to do something to stop the terrorists.  Fifth, what if it's a dirty bomb or some bio-weapon?  They won't know what happen till it's too late...esp if it's bio.  Sixth, how can we be sure that the watchers aren't part of the "terrorists'" plot?  Who watches the watchers?  So to say that security and terrorism won't be an issue because of cameras is perposturous.

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"By the time 2016 [rolls around], we'll have more cameras than Washington, D.C. ... Our technology is more advanced than any other city in the world -- even compared to London -- dealing with our cameras and the sophistication of cameras and retro-fitting all the cameras downtown in new buildings, doing the CTA cameras," Daley said.

"By 2016, I'll make you a bet. We'll have [cameras on] almost every block."


I wonder how many will be stolen?  Again...what makes the difference if you're watching?  Esp with a line of people traffic 4,000 thick and all side by side?  Suitcase bomb...vial of anthrax (or ANY bo weapon) all unknown until after the big boom goes off.  The only thing the cameras will do will be to provide the media with some live feed.  Of course that info would be held in secret for 20 years...for "national security reasons"...kinda like the Pentagon vids.

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The mayor talked about the steady march toward a Big Brother city during a free-wheeling exchange with the Sun-Times editorial board after unveiling his proposed 2007 budget.

On development of a CTA superstation at Block 37 that offers premium service to O'Hare and Midway Airports, Daley appeared to side with CTA Board Chairwoman Carole Brown over CTA President Frank Kruesi.

He said it makes no sense to charge premium prices for airport service unless the CTA can find a way to reduce travel times -- by allowing airport-only trains to bypass regular Blue and Orange Line trains.

"They have to cut certain stations out where no one gets on or off. ... You have to cut the [travel] time down to 35 minutes," Daley said.

The mayor also put in yet another plug for privatization of state assets -- and government ownership of Illinois' nine riverboat casinos.

Under Daley's plan, private companies would run the casinos in exchange for a management fee that amounts to roughly 10 percent of the profits. The rest would go into a fund for education.


Anyone else laugh at this?  I wonder if Daley's mob connection to "privatize" the city.  How about when they do drug runs or thefts?  I wonder if those cameras will be "down for routine maintance"?

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Some people get all the luck and attention!!!  When should I, or we, expect a knock on OUR door!!....It's only fair.

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Girl ran anti-Bush page on MySpace
By Laurel Rosenhall and Ryan Lillis - Bee Staff Writers

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Julia Wilson, 14, got a surprise visit from two Secret Service agents Wednesday at McClatchy High after the words "Kill Bush" appeared on MySpace.com. Her mom, Kirstie Wilson, says she should have been present when her daughter was questioned. Sacramento Bee/Hector Amezcua

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The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents in possible threats against President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class at McClatchy High School to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Julia posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Julia said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

The Secret Service refused to answer questions about the case or even confirm an investigation. Eric Zahren, a Secret Service spokesman, said the agency does not discuss its work "due to the sensitivity of our mission."

But Julia's mother, Kirstie Wilson, and an assistant principal at McClatchy High said two agents showed them badges stating they were with the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

Federal law prohibits making serious threats against the president, and Julia and her parents say what she did was wrong.

The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school -- without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

"I don't condone what she did, but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Earlier this month, federal officials arrested two Sacramento-area men for allegedly threatening the president. Elk Grove resident Michael Lee Braun has been charged with sending two threatening letters to the El Dorado Hills country club where Bush recently made an appearance. Rocklin resident Howard J. Kinsey is accused of threatening the president through a text message.

Here is how Julia Wilson's family tells their story:

Two Secret Service agents arrived at their Land Park home about 2:30 Wednesday afternoon, Kirstie Wilson said. They told her they wanted to speak with her daughter about threats to the president that she had posted on MySpace.

"She was in molecular biology, and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this," Kirstie Wilson said. "I said I'd make sure she came right home from school."

She asked the agents to come back in an hour, and they left.

Then Wilson sent her daughter a text message instructing her to come straight home from school.

"... there are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush. Dont worry youre not going to jail or anything like that but they take these things very seriously these days," Kirstie Wilson wrote.

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble"? her daughter replied, using common teenage shorthand for "Oh, my God."

Kirstie Wilson called her husband. While they were on the phone, she received another text message from her daughter: "They took me out of class."

It was a 15- to 20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father's job, her e-mail address, and her Social Security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

"I told them I just really don't agree with Bush's politics," Julia said Thursday. "I don't have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I'm very peaceful; I just don't like Bush."

The MySpace page under question was a group page, similar to an online club.

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars like Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" -- Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided that MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

Moose and Wilson say they had no idea what their daughter had posted online.

"I was more than happy to have them talk to her about the severity of what she did. But I wanted to be here with her," Kirstie Wilson said.

McClatchy Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said he usually does not notify parents when law enforcement officials come to school to interview students.

"Parents usually interfere with an investigation, so we usually don't notify them until it's done," he said.

Sacramento City Unified School District policy calls for parents to be notified but doesn't say whether it should happen before or after a student is interviewed. State law doesn't require parental notification.

In any case, said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, Julia Wilson's post did not sound like a "true threat" to the president, making it political speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

"The courts have to distinguish between political rhetoric and hyperbole and a real threat," Brick said. "A reasonable person would have to interpret what was said as indication of a serious intent to commit harm."

Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said in the current political climate, "the threshold that brings (agents) in has gotten lower."

"It's a cautionary tale for kids who are on MySpace that putting something on MySpace like 'Kill the President' is not the same as saying it on e-mail or over the phone," Scheer said. "The government is not systematically listening to all phone calls or going through e-mails, but it probably does search the Internet."


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A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English.

Codie Stott's family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers.

The 14-year-old - who was released without charge - said it had been a simple matter of commonsense and accused the school and police of an over-the-top reaction.

The incident happened in the same local education authority where a ten-year-old boy was prosecuted earlier this year for calling a schoolfriend racist names in the playground, a move branded by a judge "political correctness gone mad."

Codie was attending a GCSE science class at Harrop Fold High School in Worsley, Greater Manchester, when the incident happened.

The teenager had not been in school the day before due to a hospital appointment and had missed the start of a project, so the teacher allocated her a group to sit with.

"She said I had to sit there with five Asian pupils," said Codie yesterday.

"Only one could speak English, so she had to tell that one what to do so she could explain in their language. Then she sat me with them and said 'Discuss'."

According to Codie, the five - four boys and a girl - then began talking in a language she didn't understand, thought to be Urdu, so she went to speak to the teacher.

"I said 'I'm not being funny, but can I change groups because I can't understand them?' But she started shouting and screaming, saying 'It's racist, you're going to get done by the police'."

Codie said she went outside to calm down where another teacher found her and, after speaking to her class teacher, put her in isolation for the rest of the day.

A complaint was made to a police officer based full-time at the school, and more than a week after the incident on September 26 she was taken to Swinton police station and placed under arrest.

"They told me to take my laces out of my shoes and remove my jewellery, and I had my fingerprints and photograph taken," said Codie. "It was awful."

After questioning on suspicion of committing a section five racial public order offence, her mother Nicola says she was placed in a bare cell for three-and-a-half hours then released without charge.

She only returned to lessons this week and has been put in a different science class.

Yesterday Miss Stott, 37, a cleaner, said: "Codie was not being racist." "The reaction from the school and police is totally over the top and I am furious my daughter had to go through this trauma when all she was saying was common sense. "

"She'd have been better off not saying anything and getting into trouble for not being able to do the work."

Miss Stott, who is separated from Codie and her 18-year-old brother Ashley's father, lives with her partner Keith Seanor, a 36-year-old cable layer, in Walkden.

School insiders acknowledge that at least three of the students Codie refused to sit with had recently arrived in this country and spoke little English.

But they say her comments afterwards raised further concerns, for example allegedly referring to the students as "blacks" - something she denied yesterday.

The school is now investigating exactly what happened before deciding what action - if any - to take against Codie.

Headteacher Dr Antony Edkins said: "An allegation of a serious nature was made concerning a racially motivated remark by one student towards a group of Asian students new to the school and new to the country."

"We aim to ensure a caring and tolerant attitude towards people and pupils of all ethnic backgrounds and will not stand for racism in any form."

Fewer than two per cent of pupils at Harrop Fold come from an ethnic minority.

It had the worst GCSE results in the entire Salford LEA last year with just 15 per cent of pupils achieving five good passes including English and maths, a third of the national average.

Since being placed in special measures, Ofsted inspectors say it has improved, not least as a result of Dr Edkins's "outstanding" leadership.

Salford was at the centre of a storm last April after a ten-year-old boy was hauled before a court for allegedly calling an 11-year-old mixed race pupil a 'Paki' and 'Bin Laden' in a playground argument at a primary school in Irlam.

When the case came before District Judge Jonathan Finestein he said the decision to prosecute showed "how stupid the whole system is getting".

But was himself fiercely attacked by teaching union leaders for "feeding a pernicious agenda" that aided the BNP.

The prosecution was eventually dropped.

Last night Robert Whelan, deputy director of the Civitas think-tank, said: "It's obviously common sense that pupils who don't speak English cause problems for other pupils and for teachers."

"I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time, but it's a sad reflection on the school if they can't deal with it without involving the police."

"A lot of these arrests don't result in prosecutions - they aim is to frighten us into self-censorship until we watch everything we say."

Greater Manchester Police denied Codie had been kept in a cell but would not comment further.



She did not recognize the obvious superiority of other cultures, and as such has committed the worst crime imaginable.

By being uncomfortable in a group of people who refused to speak her language, she is obviously a xenophobe and a racist, and has broken the highest law of political correctness:  She is guilty of being white in the 1st degree, and as such the only fitting punishment is death.

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That so sucks.  Britian is becoming a proving grounds for the NWO...Canada is following with the labeling of the Bible as hate speech.  Did this arrest, withOUT charges mind you, teach this kid anything?  Yes...fear the government and the authorities.  They are making their own enemies.  This girl is less likely to talk to police, government officals, and even her own teachers.  Good job, NWO, you made another helpful enemy for you.  Off with her head!!!

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http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/military_commissions_olbermann_day_habeas_co...

The day Habeas Corpus Died.

Wait a minute...where did America go?

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Remember, remember the fifth of November.

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"Remember, remember the fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot."



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Reply #393 - Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:09pm
 
i still havent finished that movie.




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BLASPHAMEY!!!

He he.. That was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen and there were soooo many paralells to today.

Also, the actual full text of the song is:

    Remember, remember the fifth of November,
    Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
    I see no reason why the gunpowder treason
    should ever be forgot.

    Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes,'twas his intent
    to blow up the King and the Parliament.
    Three score barrels of powder below,
    Poor old England to overthrow:
    By God's providence he was catch'd
    With a dark lantern and burning match.

    Holloa boys, holloa boys, make the bells ring.
    Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
    Hip hip hoorah!

    A penny loaf to feed the Pope.
    A farthing o' cheese to choke him.
    A pint of beer to rinse it down.
    A faggot of sticks to burn him.
    Burn him in a tub of tar.
    Burn him like a blazing star.
    Burn his body from his head.
    Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.

    Hip hip hoorah!
    Hip hip hoorah!

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hip hip hoorah for wireless internet.


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This one is for you, Stewie.

"Planespotters," a group of amateur plane watchers, have helped track down the CIA's "torture taxis."  I think some of this needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it's still a worthwhile read.

http://villagevoice.com/news/0642,torturetaxi,74732,2.html

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I don't know how Ike got away with this without being shot, although if you look at the history of presidents since the hostile takeover of this country in 1913 you notice many of them have their moments, which is why, I suspect, we have the more nasty, less saner people in "power" today.  This is Ike's "military industrial complex" speech and a lot of it is still relavent today.

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Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

My fellow Americans:

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

II.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

III.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

IV.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

    * and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

V.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

VI.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

VII.

So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.


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People often ask me, "Hey, X, why are you so angry at your government?"

The following is just one of many reasons.  See how many flaws this article states are involved with the wrongness...yes wrongness....of our country.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/10/21/officer_struck_...

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http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/?AmericaIsScrewed=true

Ahhh the double think....it's...it's....it's hurting my headdddddddd!!!

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Reply #400 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 1:45pm
 
Wow Keith Olbermann has a wonderful tirade here.  I don't think I've ever agreed with him more.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/olbermann_special_comment_on_gop_fearmongeri...

I love the end where he says, "goodnight, and good luck".  Beautiful salute right there.  I wonder how many mindless people either said 1) umm ya..Bush boo bad or 2)Here's anti-American!

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OK I'm just going to throw up 3 stories here before I head off to church.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/washington/29ballot.html?ei=5065&en=e0c8ab46eb...

We're willing to investigate Chavez but not the machines themselves or the people in power who hold stock and/or run them?!  BS!

http://news.viewlondon.co.uk/Copyright_law_update_needed_for_iPod_generation_178...

OMG these experts need to be given the Nobel Pirate Prize for there work in RATIONAL THINKING!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061028/ap_on_re_us/school_drill

See this story is written to make the protesters sound like pansies (not saying they're not) and the children like there 3 years old.  However, parents not informed and students being forced to participate?  Sounds like terror for the sake of terror.  I guess they're just going on the assumption of "nothing to fear but fear itself" plan.

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Ok let's look at 2 stories that should self destruct Homeland Security!

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c3049370...

"We do this cause we must...uhh...protect you?  Ya that's it...and uhh we won't use it against you.  We promise chummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmps."

And then

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/01/uk.terror/

Well glad we went through all that throwing out of shampoo, toothpaste, and water!  Oh and that whole fear mongering...yeah that helped.  In fact here's something to put your trust back in the airlines...don't you feel safer!!  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=10408605

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http://www.democracy-project.com/archives/002893.html

There is an interesting controversy brewing over the UPenn president posing with a student wearing a suicide bomber outfit at a Halloween party.  What do you guys think about it?

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I think people are being ridiculous.

It's a sad day when Americans can't even take a damn joke anymore.
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Why would this offend people?  It's only what we see everyday happen on TV.  Do people get mad when someone wears an Bin Laden mask?  No?  Why is that?  This is college people, not HS, so there's no need to say it's a "weapon" on school property.  Not to mention...why get your panties in a twist when...people are showing up with their panties twisted?  Naughty nurses, sexy cops, gorgeous elves...now I'm not one to complain...except when 12 y/o dress like that and we get mad at the pedophiles?  Now I love women in costumes, a fetish of mine I am the first to admit, but I'd want my wife, Lord willing, to only wear this around me...and not other guys to eye hump her with.  So suicide bombers are bad but this ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=4121... ) is ok.  Ya...good one PC...you got us this time!

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HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY!!!


Remember, remember, the 5th of November
The Gunpowder Treason and plot ;
I know of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.

Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes,
'Twas his intent.
To blow up the King and the Parliament.
Three score barrels of powder below.
Poor old England to overthrow.
By God's providence he was catch'd,
With a dark lantern and burning match

Holloa boys, Holloa boys, let the bells ring
Holloa boys, Holloa boys, God save the King!

Hip hip Hoorah !
Hip hip Hoorah !

A penny loaf to feed ol'Pope,
A farthing cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down,
A faggot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar,'
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head,
Then we'll say: ol'Pope is dead.
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By JANE MERRICK, Daily MailLast updated at 10:51am on 27th June 2006

The home life of every child in the country is to be recorded on a national database in the ultimate intrusion of the nanny state, it has emerged.

Computer records holding details of school performance, diet and even whether their parents provide a 'positive role model' for 12 million children will be held by the Government.

Police, social workers, teachers and doctors will have access to the database and have powers to flag up 'concerns' where children are not meeting criteria laid down by the state.

The 'children's index', which will cost the taxpayer £224 million, will even monitor whether youngsters are eating five portions of fruit and vegetables a day, whether they go to church or are struggling to get good marks at school.

One assessment records whether a pre-school child is in day care - suggesting that those who are looked after by their mothers at home are not conforming to the state ideal.

Critics said the plan would sideline on an unprecedented scale the rights of parents to bring up their children in the way they see fit and amount to a 'bar-coding' of youngsters.

They questioned how the Government knew better than parents on the correct way to bring up a child, and warned that it would deter decent families from seeking help for fear of being branded at risk.

It could take just two warning flags on a child's file to trigger an investigation.

The Government handed itself sweeping powers in the 2004 Children Act to record basic information of all children in England and Wales, based on information from the register of births and child benefit.

The Act followed the death of eight-year-old Victoria Climbie - whose neglect by her aunt and her boyfriend was missed by social workers.

Section 12 of the act limits information to name, address, date of birth, gender, a unique id, contact details of parent or carer, school, GP practice and other practioners dealing with the child.

But the Government wants to extend the records to include detailed assessments of a child's life.

Ministers insist it will act as an early warning system to highlight children at risk.

The database has already been piloted in 12 local authorities and the Government plans to make it nationwide from next year.

It will try to introduce a regulation in Parliament in the autumn - allowing it to become law with barely any scrutiny by MPs.

Civil liberties and children's campaigners are to hold a conference at the London School of Economics on Tuesday to highlight their concerns.

Terri Dowty, director of children's rights group Arch, said: 'Who is bringing children up? Are parents effectively nannies for the state's children or are children born to families and the state just helps families when they ask for it?'

Dr Eileen Munro, an expert in child protection at the LSE, said: 'The authority of parents is being eroded because the children's services, health education and social care are being asked to intervene.

'On the whole parents are the greatest source of safety and welfare that any child has.'

Jonathan Bamford, the Assistant Information Commissioner which polices access to information, said there was no justification for keeping check on 12 million children when only a small proportion were at risk.

He said: 'When you are looking for a needle in a haystack, is it necessary to keep building bigger haystacks?

'The cause for concern indicator against a child's record is expressed in very broad language. For example, it could be cause for concern that a child is not progressing well towards his or her French GCSE.'

Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: 'We are heading towards a situation in which an entire generation of kids won't know what privacy is, as though we are preparing them for prison rather than life in a free society. It is time to ask ourselves why we sacrifice the privacy of our children first.'

Shadow Education Secretary David Willetts said: 'We are going to have bar-coded babies. This project is going to cost £224m over the three years to 2008 with subsequent operating costs of £41m a year. Would it not be better to focus this money on families in real need?'

A Department for Education spokesman said: 'We need to ensure that professionals work across service boundaries for the benefit of children. 'Our proposals balance the need to do everything we can to improve children's life chances whilst ensuring strong safeguards to make sure that information stored is minimal, secure and used appropriately.

'Parents and young people will be able to ask to see their data and make amendments and will retain full rights under the Data Protection Act.'

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Britain and Canada are the two most tested NWO countries out there.  Britain is focusing more on implementation (CCTV, databases, etc.( and Canada on what laws they can pass (Bible = hate speech as well as just speaking could be considered as well).

In the US it's primarily New York...and test cases come up such as New Orleans with weapons confiscations and foreign ARMED troops on US soil.

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Paranoid speculation on imaginary surveillance abuses betrays a moral blindness when real social injustice abounds

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Tuesday November 7, 2006
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The world is a dangerous place. A heating globe threatens drought, war and mass migration. Terrorists may blow up proliferating nuclear power stations. Ministers are preparing for a 1918-style flu pandemic.

So on a scale of threats to Our Way of Life, where would you place CCTV and speed cameras, electronic health records, DNA storage or ID cards that carry the same information as passports? Most people are not in a delirium of alarm about the Big Brother potential of any of these. Mori finds that about 80% of people support the idea of ID cards (though only 39% think the government will introduce them smoothly, which is another matter). As for CCTV, when Mori asks local communities what would make their areas safer, street cameras always come in the top three. It's easy to see why: people on an estate I know say CCTV helped transform the only local shopping street, which had been rife with drugs and prostitution.

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Most journalists know those green-ink letters from psychotics begging you to investigate dark forces who have inserted a chip into their skulls as they slept or put microphones in their walls. It is no use urging them to listen to their psychiatrists, or telling them this is a common delusion with a medical cause and sometimes a cure: they just accuse you of joining the great conspiracy. It takes a delusion of some grandeur to imagine that an all-seeing eye really cares what you are up to every minute of the day. But it's one that seems to be shared by the vociferous campaigners against "the surveillance society".

ID cards is the issue these fears coalesce around. Tony Blair made a robust defence of them yesterday at his monthly press conference, claiming they would curb illegal immigration, crime, terrorism, identity fraud and NHS tourism. Biometrics has to be introduced for passports anyway and the additional cost of ID cards carrying the same information is, he claims, small. Now all of that may be doubtful - when the cards are ready Blair will be long gone but criminals, terrorists and traffickers may be well ahead of the technology. The money might be better spent in myriad other ways, but the threat to fundamental civil liberties somehow eludes me.

It is the job of the information commissioner to make his presence known from time to time, so last week he called for a public debate. We are waking up to the surveillance state, he said. Projecting forwards to 2016, he launched a report from the Surveillance Studies Network suggesting shoppers will be scanned, their clothes recognised by secret tags. Cars linked to satnavs will have mileage automatically debited while police monitor their speeds. Health and psychometric tests will determine who employers hire. Older people will be watched in their homes so relatives won't need to visit so often.

Some of these scenarios are scary, but have nothing to do with surveillance. People failing to visit elderly relatives is sad, but hardly the fault of cameras. Employers already use daft and dangerous psychometric tests and can access too much information, but employment laws are what is needed to protect employment rights. As for drivers in peril for speeding, or congestion-charged for mileage, that's all to the good. And if Tesco knows what I buy, I am having trouble frightening myself. Certainly, the accuracy of information is vital - everyone needs the right to check and amend their records. But the chance of errors will be lessened, not increased, as technology advances.

What about the DNA data bank? In principle, it is no more alarming than a more effective fingerprint database. If the objection is that thousands of the innocent have been logged, then why shouldn't everyone be on it? The gain in criminal detection is already clear; if there are fears then laws can protect against particular abuses.

If - a big if - the medical records system ever works, it would be a huge blessing: lost records cause frequent chaos. Everyone will see and correct their records transparently, choose to opt out of some information-sharing and hide parts of their record. Unauthorised access will leave identifiable footprints. The new children's register is no threat either. The shocking discovery after the Victoria Climbié case that so many agencies had raised the alarm, but none knew about the others, makes it essential that concern is flagged up, with contact details of the person registering concern, but no details included for wider scrutiny.

Big Brother is the malevolent use of surveillance by a wicked state. But for as long as the state remains democratic we can decide what use is made of it and how we are protected from possible abuses. To refuse to use technology for fear of some monstrous future government is paranoid. Those opposed to the assembling of data are mainly from the anti-state, individualistic right. There is a sad lack of voices to praise the benign state these days. Politicians are too mistrusted and civil-service unions too self-interested, so who else speaks up for the collective good of government?

Conspiracy-theory, bad-state rhetoric has become the received opinion. The press fulminating against ID cards has less scruple about its own monstrous intrusions on privacy. The same Sunday Times that ran Rod Liddle's rant against surveillance also carried a shocking gossip-column item - a journalist had rummaged through David Miliband's rubbish bin looking at his papers. Press intrusion does a great deal more damage than our much scrutinised state.

Surveillance conspiracy mania is a symptom of something else - the wish for the middle classes to be victims too. This is a middle-class obsession by those who are least likely to be surveyed. There is some decadence in paranoid speculation about imaginary abuses when real social injustice is all around. Why aren't people as angry about the galloping inequality in living standards between the 30% who will never own homes and the overpaid at the top who are fuelling property prices? Social mobility has come to a halt, crushed by this new era of mega-greed. Liberty is taking priority over equality, because it can arouse pleasing middle-class angst.

There are real threats to some civil liberties - imprisonment without trial, acceptance of torture - but CCTV and ID cards are not among them. There is a moral blindness in pouring out so much righteous indignation over potential minor infractions against liberty while largely ignoring gross inequality.


Hmm is it a middle class thing because the elite control it and the poor are just trying to make a living?  I think....YES!

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Dang it, you beat me!

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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, architect of an unpopular war in Iraq, intends to resign after six stormy years at the Pentagon, Republican officials said Wednesday.

Officials said Robert Gates, former head of the CIA, would replace Rumsfeld. The development occurred one day after midterm elections that cost Republicans control of the House, and possibly the Senate, as well. Surveys of voters at polling places said opposition to the war was a significant contributor to the Democratic victory.

President Bush was expected to announce Rumsfeld's departure and Gates' nomination at an afternoon news conference. Administration officials notified congressional officials in advance.

In the days leading up to the election, Bush said he wanted Rumsfeld to stay on as defense chief until the end of Bush's second term.


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COPS marched four Asian men off a plane after a passenger said their behaviour made him nervous.

The men — in Islamic robes — were arguing in a foreign language and then all went to the toilet, one after the other.

A fellow traveller on the Luton to Glasgow easyJet flight demanded they be kicked off — just as the plane was to taxi to the runway.

Cabin crew alerted the captain and cops were called, who took the men, all in their 20s, off the plane.

Everyone else on board was then ordered off with their hand luggage while the crew searched the cabin.

The jet took off an hour and ten minutes late at 10pm on Wednesday.

Another passenger said: “A Scottish bloke in his 20s who was sat beside them clearly thought something was up. He was arguing strongly that these lads were up to no good and should be taken off.

“Considering they had just got on a minute before, their behaviour was pretty bizarre. I think other people were worried.

“The men were all wearing jackets over long Islamic robes. They had beards and looked like Muslims.”

In August Asian students Sohail Ashraf, 21, and Khurram Zeb, 22, were thrown off a jet as passengers wrongly thought they were terrorists.


Anyone else remember the good 'ol days when white people had to be concerned whether or not they were racists?  Now it's ok to be racists...as long as they're not African black.  I wonder what would have happen if these guys were all white and still did the same thing.  When will the asians learn that there's only a billion more of them as there are of white people and finally take their rightful rulers over mankind?  You think the only reason Eruo people took control is because they were so cold that they just kept developing better tech than other places so they wouldn't be so cold and board?  Not to mention...look at the women back then...I'd want to go into a room for 5 days away from everyone to prove the existence of the universe and God (good ol Descarte).  Anyways...this is what the war on terror is really about...it's the war of terror.  Every step of this "war" is designed to put us in a state of fear...nothing else.  History will be a judge of us...but we also said that about the '20s Red Scare, the Japanese scare in the '40s, the 50's Red Scare and the McCarthy Era, and all those other little ones.  Whatever happen to live and let live?  George Washington warned us when this country was in its infancy, we must maintain a separatist notion of politics.  I don't think he'd be a fighting general today in this war for imperialism.

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Top guns: Manchester Police revealed 430 weapons were handed in along with over 2,500 rounds of ammunition

A frightening haul of guns, rifles and crossbows containing enough firepower to supply a small army has been handed over to police following the gangland murder of schoolboy Jessie James.

It includes hunting rifles, a MAC-10 machine gun, pistols and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

But what is even more terrifying is that, until several weeks ago, these weapons were sitting in British homes and carried by homegrown criminals.

The arsenal can only be displayed today after the weapons were handed over to police. During an amnesty lasting less than a month, officers from Greater Manchester Police collected 430 guns and a staggering 2,500 rounds of ammunition.

Among the weapons collected was a MAC 10 machine pistol. Dubbed the 'spray and pray gun, it fires at the rate of 1,200 rounds a minute and is popular for 'drive-by' shootings by gangsters. Others collected included guns disguised as cigarette lighters and a particularly terrifying home-made four-barrelled sawn-off shotgun.

But, despite the shocking figures, which equate to more than 12 weapons being surrendered every day and lead many to wonder how many more guns are on our streets, the amnesty was hailed a success by senior officers.

It was launched after the murder of 15-year-old Jessie James - who was shot dead in a hail of bullets in Manchester's Moss Side district in September. The guns were displayed at a police station near Manchester yesterday.

Assistant Chief Constable Dave Jones said: 'We are really pleased with the response to this campaign.
"What has been most encouraging is the type and variety of weapons handed in, which has included 44 real guns.


"From the outset of this campaign we always said that if we only had one gun handed in, then it would be a success. It would be one less that could be used in a crime or could injure or even take another innocent young life. We've had over 400 handed in, which has taken over 400 guns off our streets and made them a safer place to be."

Jessie - described as "respectful and polite" - was shot three times with a semi-automatic handgun on 9 September. Detectives said he had nothing to do with gang culture and was simply in the "wrong place at the wrong time".

He is the youngest fatality of the Moss Side gang wars since innocent Benji Stanley, 14, was shot dead in January 1993. The month-long amnesty ran from October 2 to October 31.

Mr Jones said: "Of these weapons recovered, 264 were air weapons, BB guns and replica guns. These types of weapons can seriously injure people, cause damage to property or, particularly in the case of replicas, look so much like the real thing, they can terrorise individuals and communities."

Apart from weapons of historic interest or those that officers believe may have been used in a crime, the complete haul of firearms and ammunition recovered will now be destroyed. Gun crime has nearly doubled in the last ten years. In 1997, there were 12,805 offences. This had risen to 24,094 by 2004.

Since the collapse of the former Soviet bloc and the civil wars that raged in the Balkans, guns have flooded Europe's black markets. Many have made their way to the UK.

There is also a booming market in converting replica and air-based weapons into fully functioning guns.

Labour banned handguns after coming to power in 1997. But critics have said that the underworld trade in illegal weapons has continued to flourish with some prices at an all time low.

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Talk about demonizing an inanimate object!  What a bunch of limey pinko fairies.  England is going to neuter itself to the point of irrelevance, if not eventual non-existance.


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During an amnesty lasting less than a month, officers from Greater Manchester Police collected 430 guns and a staggering 2,500 rounds of ammunition.


Oh dear, they netted a whole 2,500 rounds of ammunition?!  I've got more than that stuffed into a single tackle box.  In case you guys are wondering, a box of .22LR ammunition costs $8.00 and contains 500 rounds, meaning 2,500 rounds of ammunition would cost less than $50.00 after tax.  I could probably find 2,500 rounds of ammunition rolling around on the floor of my car, for crying out loud.  Enough for a small army?  That would hardly last a single weekend of target shooting.

Notice the breathless use of words like terrifying, frightening, and shocking. It just propaganda to convince the peasants that guns are awful, frightful things.  Note the increase of this kind of language in the US news.


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Gun crime has nearly doubled in the last ten years. In 1997, there were 12,805 offences. This had risen to 24,094 by 2004.  Labour banned handguns after coming to power in 1997. But critics have said that the underworld trade in illegal weapons has continued to flourish with some prices at an all time low.


In other words,  "We have to ban the guns, ol' boy.  It's for the children.  We've got to keep them safe you know."  Obviously, if gun crime has doubled in the last ten years, the gun ban isn't working.  Does it take a freakin' genius to see that?!


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"What has been most encouraging is the type and variety of weapons handed in, which has included 44 real guns."


That's propoganda in action.  The article title claims that 400 guns were captured, but only 44 of them were "real guns."  44, eh?  It must've been a real nightmare for the police to watch that pile of metal grow, wondering when it would take on a life of its own and devour the entire countryside in a blazing display of wild abandonment and psychotic behavior.  Oh, wait, that was just the french "moderate" youths across the channel having a bonfire or two using "Le Car" or three.


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There is also a booming market in converting replica and air-based weapons into fully functioning guns.


Booming?  BOOMING!  I'd like to hear more about this business opportunity.  I guess it's like converting a Pinto into a Top Fuel dragster.  Step one, remove Pinto. Step two, install Top Fuel dragster.

If you convert an air gun into a "real" gun, I can pretty much guarantee you're only going to get one shot.

I won't be surprised when England turns into an autocracy run by a fascist dictator.


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These types of weapons can seriously injure people.


Yeah, it might break the skin.  That could lead to a nasty infection.

England is downright retarded.  The crime rate has doubled, bobbies have been armed, and twice as many cops are walking the beat because people can't protect themselves.  Yeah, it sounds like gun control has worked very well.


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But what is even more terrifying is that, until several weeks ago, these weapons were sitting in British homes and carried by homegrown criminals.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.  You would think these people would have enough sense to realize that real criminals are called criminals for a reason.  They aren't the ones who hand in guns to police!

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A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo
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Posted Friday, Nov. 10, 2006
Just days after his resignation, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is about to face more repercussions for his involvement in the troubled wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany's top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The plaintiffs in the case include 11 Iraqis who were prisoners at Abu Ghraib, as well as Mohammad al-Qahtani, a Saudi held at Guantanamo, whom the U.S. has identified as the so-called "20th hijacker" and a would-be participant in the 9/11 hijackings. As TIME first reported in June 2005, Qahtani underwent a "special interrogation plan," personally approved by Rumsfeld, which the U.S. says produced valuable intelligence. But to obtain it, according to the log of his interrogation and government reports, Qahtani was subjected to forced nudity, sexual humiliation, religious humiliation, prolonged stress positions, sleep deprivation and other controversial interrogation techniques.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski — who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case — has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: "It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ."

A spokesperson for the Pentagon told TIME there would be no comment since the case has not yet been filed.

Along with Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Tenet, the other defendants in the case are Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone; former assistant attorney general Jay Bybee; former deputy assisant attorney general John Yoo; General Counsel for the Department of Defense William James Haynes II; and David S. Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff. Senior military officers named in the filing are General Ricardo Sanchez, the former top Army official in Iraq; Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the former commander of Guantanamo; senior Iraq commander, Major General Walter Wojdakowski; and Col. Thomas Pappas, the one-time head of military intelligence at Abu Ghraib.

Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world. Indeed, a similar, but narrower, legal action was brought in Germany in 2004, which also sought the prosecution of Rumsfeld. The case provoked an angry response from Pentagon, and Rumsfeld himself was reportedly upset. Rumsfeld's spokesman at the time, Lawrence DiRita, called the case a "a big, big problem." U.S. officials made clear the case could adversely impact U.S.-Germany relations, and Rumsfeld indicated he would not attend a major security conference in Munich, where he was scheduled to be the keynote speaker, unless Germany disposed of the case. The day before the conference, a German prosecutor announced he would not pursue the matter, saying there was no indication that U.S. authorities and courts would not deal with allegations in the complaint.

In bringing the new case, however, the plaintiffs argue that circumstances have changed in two important ways. Rumsfeld's resignation, they say, means that the former Defense Secretary will lose the legal immunity usually accorded high government officials. Moreover, the plaintiffs argue that the German prosecutor's reasoning for rejecting the previous case — that U.S. authorities were dealing with the issue — has been proven wrong.

"The utter and complete failure of U.S. authorities to take any action to investigate high-level involvement in the torture program could not be clearer," says Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a U.S.-based non-profit helping to bring the legal action in Germany. He also notes that the Military Commissions Act, a law passed by Congress earlier this year, effectively blocks prosecution in the U.S. of those involved in detention and interrogation abuses of foreigners held abroad in American custody going to back to Sept. 11, 2001. As a result, Ratner contends, the legal arguments underlying the German prosecutor's previous inaction no longer hold up.

Whatever the legal merits of the case, it is the latest example of efforts in Western Europe by critics of U.S. tactics in the war on terror to call those involved to account in court. In Germany, investigations are under way in parliament concerning cooperation between the CIA and German intelligence on rendition — the kidnapping of suspected terrorists and their removal to third countries for interrogation. Other legal inquiries involving rendition are under way in both Italy and Spain.

U.S. officials have long feared that legal proceedings against "war criminals" could be used to settle political scores. In 1998, for example, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet — whose military coup was supported by the Nixon administration — was arrested in the U.K. and held for 16 months in an extradition battle led by a Spanish magistrate seeking to charge him with war crimes. He was ultimately released and returned to Chile. More recently, a Belgian court tried to bring charges against then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for alleged crimes against Palestinians.

For its part, the Bush Administration has rejected adherence to the International Criminal Court (ICC) on grounds that it could be used to unjustly prosecute U.S. officials. The ICC is the first permanent tribunal established to prosecute war crimes, genocide and other crimes against humanity.


Germany is pushing a trial for war crimes?  Define irony.  Rumsfeld's attorney in retort: "Your honor, please give me the German defintion of how to properly treat prisoners taken on the battlefield."

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# Alberto Gonzales, George Tenet, other senior U.S. civilian and military officers also to be named...
# Focus: Alleged roles in abuses committed at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay...
# Former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski to testify on behalf of plaintiffs...
# Pentagon: No comment...


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LONDON (Reuters) - Police on Thursday charged a woman on terrorism-related offences for possession of a computer hard drive loaded with operating manuals for guns, poisons, mines and munitions.

Police said the charges against the woman were connected with the arrest last month of a man caught at Heathrow airport in possession of a night vision scope and a poisons handbook.

Police said among the items on the hard drive found in her possession were the Al Qaeda Manual, The Terrorists Handbook, The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook, a manual for a Dragunov sniper rifle, The Firearms and RPG Handbook, a manual for a 9mm pistol and a manual on how to win hand to hand fighting.

She will appear at the City of Westminster Magistrates Court on Friday.

Police said the case followed the charges filed against 29-year-old Sohail Anjum Qureshi on November 1 after his arrest at Heathrow airport with the night vision scope and a computer hard drive also containing the Mujahideen Poisons Handbook.

Police sources said at the time their investigation covered possible terrorist acts outside the country, and was not believed to have been linked to any other probes.

Britain has been on a high state of alert since August when police said they had disrupted a plot to blow up several U.S.-bound airliners over the Atlantic using liquid explosives.


Man, so I guess anyone who has a video of a nuke going off or plans for a nuke are in trouble too.  How about if I have pictures of Osama on my computer giving the thumbs up?  Think I could get in trouble?

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For the past eight years, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith has tried unsuccessfully to pass its Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill. It has failed largely for one reason: Republican control of Congress.

Repeatedly, Republican opponents of their hate bill, such as Rep. Roy Blunt and Sen. Bill Frist have been able, with Republican congressional backing, to block passage.

With Democrats now in control, such freedom-saving clout no longer exists. ADL's federal thought crimes bill, "The Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act," will be reintroduced soon after January 1. Since no Democrat in Congress has ever voted against the hate bill, it will pass. Pres. Bush has said he will sign a "modified" hate bill. If he does, free speech in America will quickly come to an end.

Unless, that is, there arises an upheaval of protest from the American people. How can that happen? Answer: Alternative right-wing talk radio has helped make it happen before; it can do so again.

Spreading Net of Thought Crime Laws

Today, from Canada to California, to Europe and Australia, ADL-inspired "thought crime" laws are stripping nations of free speech. In Canada and many European countries, it is a crime punishable by heavy fines and even imprisonment to make use of the internet to criticize federally protected groups, such as homosexuals and Muslims.

A top Canadian "hate laws" senior policy advisor recently described the power of her country's "speech crime" tribunal courts: "The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal is a quasi-judicial body. It can force a web to shut down or risk a $10,000 fine--$20,000 in extreme cases. If one ignores the Tribunal, one can be tried in federal court for contempt, and risk a 9-month jail sentence for a first-time offense." (Karen Izzard, quoted in Jewish Tribune, Sept. 21, 2006)

English-Turkish cyber-hate expert Prof. Yaman Akdeniz, speaking at a B'nai B'rith conference on how to end dissent on the net, rejoices that David Irving is behind bars. He said "continental European countries such as Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria and Belgium have strong anti-hate laws, which have resulted in the imprisonment of hate-mongers. In Holland, 657 websites were removed. And in Germany, more than 700 hate websites were shut down." (ibid)

In England, two men who publicly described Islam as a "wicked faith" were indicted under Britain's anti-hate law and are fighting to avoid seven years in prison. The ADL-influenced British hate law stipulates that truth cannot be admitted as evidence in court. Only the complaints by members of specially protected groups who say their feelings have been hurt will be allowed. David Irving languishes in an Austrian prison primarily because he was forbidden to bring truth to the court in his defense.

NPN Helped Hold Back Hate Laws

Congressional Republicans have played a decisive role in keeping hate laws from similarly binding America. But there is another factor: the consistent resistance and education provided over the last 27 years by the National Prayer Network. Here is a brief history of NPN's role and my part as its director.

In 1988, after ADL held its definitive Hofstra conference on "verbal violence," I realized ADL wanted jurisdiction over all hate crimes definitions, education, enforcement, and statistics gathering for the federal government. They intended to seize control through passage of their Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990. I responded by creating a powerful brochure, "Will Hate Laws Make You a Lawbreaker?" which NPN sent to many thousands of key opinionmakers.

Ultimately, we failed. Congress passed the act and ADL now dominates the federal hate crimes agenda all the way down to every local police precinct in America.

Also, during the 1990s, ADL persuaded about 46 states to adopt some version of its "Model Hate Crimes Statute." These are backup "sleeper" state hate laws that can be used by ADL in lieu of a federal hate law, which is their ultimate dream.

Where were the New Right watchdogs during the 10-year period when ADL created a federal hate crimes agenda and made hate crimes law for most states? There was no organized consistent opposition apart from some excellent research on the danger of hate laws done by Robert L. Knight. This was used in sporadic alerts by New Right organizations including Concerned Women for America, Focus on the Family, and the efforts of Dr. D. James Kennedy, who was pivotal in publicizing Knight's research to help defeat a federal hate bill in 2000 (See, "How Dr. D. James Kennedy Helped Save Free Speech").

Sounding the Alarm

In 2000, my wife Alynn and I produced an 80-minute video documentary, Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians. With much documentation provided by Canadian free speech leader Paul Fromm and a stellar review from Michael Collins Piper of the American Free Press newspaper, many thousands of this groundbreaking video circulated throughout America and the world.

Also, hand writing every address, NPN sent 12,500 copies of my brochure to every state legislator and virtually every member of Congress, plus about eight of each of their key legislative staffers.

Yes, these were small beginnings. But at last, a consistent educational program against hate laws was underway.

Not a moment too soon! In the spring of 2002, ADL expected easy passage of its hate bill by the Senate. Yet Jim Tucker of American Free Press told me that when he attended the National Press Club at that time, reporters were abuzz with how much unusually educated protest against hate laws was bombarding members of Congress.

Emboldened by the public outcry, a handful of spirited Republican senators demanded discussion of the bill on the floor of the Senate. That's the last thing Tom Daschle and the ADL wanted. They shelved the bill for the year.

Taking to the Airwaves

In the spring of 2004 NPN and the religious right were shocked to learn ADL had quickly and quietly passed its hate bill by a vote of 65-33 in the Senate.

I was desperate to defeat the hate bill, but how? The only glimmer of hope was in burgeoning alternative talk radio. For a week, I phoned 1,400 talk radio stations in America, gleaning the names of about 350 Christian conservative talk show hosts. I sent them our hate laws brochure and an offer of a free video. Only five responded.

Then I heard of popular talk show host Pastor Ernie Sanders. He shared my burden and allowed me to speak on his program many times to alert his vast listening audience. The late Dr. David Wolfe soon did the same on the Genesis radio network, as did Bill Brumbaugh of First Amendment Radio. During the summer of 2004, as the hate bill was headed for conference, many other talk show hosts allowed me to speak. A wave of angry protest assaulted Congress. Result: Again, House Republicans, under Rep. Roy Blunt, encouraged defeat of the hate bill on Oct. 8, 2004.

ADL Goes Berserk

What happened next is still beyond belief. ADL was enraged by our defeat of their cherished thought crimes bill. On Sunday, Oct. 10, through their National Executive Board member, Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham, they arrested 11 Christians peacefully evangelizing at a large gay pride rally in downtown Philadelphia. One of the charges against the Christians was the "hate crime" of criticizing homosexuals. Total possible penalties: 47 years in prison and $90,000 fines each. (See, "Eleven Christians Jailed For Criticizing Homosexuality")

Realizing God had given ADL into our hands, I took the offensive on dozens of national radio talk shows, some with Michael Marcavage, head of the "Philly 11." He and his lawyers were also extensively interviewed. Some New Right organizations, such as Concerned Women for America and WorldNetDaily, alerted millions. Despite silence from the mainstream media, we were able to trumpet news of this outrage to the entire astonished world.

International indignation against Abraham and the corrupt Philly government became so great that Abraham (herself soon the defendant in a wrongful arrest and imprisonment suit) was glad to allow a fair-minded judge and jury to drop the case against the Christians.

In my opinion, ADL's rash action against the "Philly 11" was the greatest blunder in their 89-year history. It allowed me, in the next year and half, to speak on nearly 200 talk shows. For the first time, millions of Americans were made aware of how ADL has silenced free speech in Canada and desires the same stranglehold in America.

Incredibly, however, most of the largest Christian conservative organizations gave minimum, or very belated, exposure to what happened in Philadelphia. To this hour, they have failed to provide any long-term education on the threat of thought crimes legislation.

Threat of Hate Bill Returns

Although we defeated the hate bill twice, the House in the fall of 2004 made recommendation by a nonbinding vote of 213 to 186 in favor of the hate bill. The next time the hate bill came to the House for a vote, it would surely pass. That's exactly what happened.

In October 2005, after only 45 minutes of discussion, the House passed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act as a rider on a Republican-generated bill to protect children from pedophiles.

The blitzkrieg speed of the bill's passage deeply shocked evangelicals and conservatives. They thought House Republicans would never allow it to happen. Beverly LaHaye of Concerned Women for America sputtered that passage was "inexplicable." If she and other evangelical leaders had listened to my warnings over the past year, they would have known passage was not surprising at all, but predicted.

The New Right quickly mobilized. It encouraged millions of Christians and conservatives to protest with calls to their senators and Bill Frist, Senate Majority leader. Impressive as was this response, I knew it could not win. The battle would be decided in the Senate Judiciary Committee, where, hopelessly, it seemed, Republicans against the hate bill were outnumbered 10-8.

On at least 50 talk shows, the most important of which were those with Jeff Rense, I instructed hundreds of thousands of patriots to do what few had ever asked before: Come to www.truthtellers.org for a complete list of the 18 members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Countless patriots, eager to save freedom, called protesting the hate bills.

Having saturated Judiciary for two weeks, I then posted the names of all 100 Senators, and again a vast number of patriots called each one.

In short, between an outpouring of calls generated by the New Right and myself-and a divinely imposed madness on the part of Sen. Kennedy, sponsor of the hate bill who gave up support of the bill in Judiciary at the last minute-the hate bill was defeated. (See, "Federal Hate Bill Virtually Dead ")

Hate Bill Still a Threat

Yet, contrary to what most believed, the hate bill was not dead. Sen. Kennedy still had power to revive it on the floor of the Senate-reattaching it to the children's bill just as soon as Sen. Frist brought this much-needed legislation before the Senate.

As a result, Frist (unbeknownst to supporters of the children's bill, such as Bill O'Reilly of Fox News and John Walsh of America's Most Wanted) would not let the children's bill onto the floor of the Senate. He would not allow Kennedy the opportunity to stand to his feet and demand reattachment of his hate bill to the children's legislation. Frist knew that if Kennedy got that opportunity, the Senate, having voted overwhelmingly 65-33 for the hate bill the previous spring, would certainly support Kennedy and pass it.

This standoff of Senate titans continued through the fall and then the winter session of Congress. Supporters of the children's bill, like Kathie Lee Gifford, O'Reilly and Walsh, unaware of the real reason for its delay, began making angry demands that Frist get the children's bill moving. Frist was mum concerning his real reasons for delay and wouldn't budge. He knew the extreme danger and power of Kennedy to pass the hate bill if the children's bill came before the Senate.

Finally, as tension was becoming almost explosive, I sent out my e-alert explaining to the nation that the only reason the children's bill was bottled up was because of Kennedy's determination to have his hate bill attached to it.

Less than two days later, O'Reilly exploded on Fox News, furiously accusing Kennedy of the obstructionism which I had described. Tens of thousands of calls flooded Kennedy's office. I also generated many thousands to all members of the Senate, opposing the hate bill. When Kennedy publicly announced his abandonment of attempts to pass the hate bill, I knew we had witnessed another mighty deliverance from God.

A Dangerous Time

Humanly speaking, these victories were primarily made possible because of the presence and integrity of Sen. Bill Frist and core Republicans in leadership of Congress.

Frist is now gone as Senate majority leader, replaced by no other than Sen. Harry Reid, co-sponsor with Kennedy of the Senate version of the hate bill. Similarly, House majority leader Nancy Pelosi is another long-term hate bill supporter, a pipeline from San Francisco gay activism. Such liberals and ADL lackeys are as determined to pass the hate bill as Frist was to impede it.

Now, with more than enough votes from Democrats and turncoat Republicans, it is a virtual certainty that ADL's dream legislation will be approved and move America toward a Big Brother police state.

Considering the lack of focus and inattention of the New Right and Christian evangelicals in opposing hate crimes laws, we cannot count on them to provide an offensive proactive program of resistance. Yes, they will react eventually but only at the last moment. Their stop-gap response will almost certainly be too little, too late.

Alternative talk radio, especially the Genesis and Republic networks, speaks to hundreds of thousands of focused activists. It still holds the brightest possibility, in my opinion, for another deliverance.

That is, if the talk show hosts will put me on the air. The reason I have dwelt at length on the record of myself and NPN is not to boast. Rather, it is to remind talk show hosts of my unique ability to explain the background and danger of hate laws and to generate effective protest to Congress.

It's true, especially of late, that I have had to become very critical of Jewish activism, Talmudic Judaism, and Israel. Some talk hosts may say, "I can't put Ted Pike on-ADL will make trouble and I'll lose stations!"

The truth is, talk show hosts, if you don't put me on and let me fight for your free speech, soon you'll lose not just a few stations-you'll lose everything.

With Republicans out of power, Congress must be besieged with protest as never before. With this in mind, the issue is not, "Do I dare put Ted Pike on the air?" Instead, the issue is, "Do I dare not to?"


Sorry for the length but there are like 6 parts to this story.

This is a scary thing.  Just think if we have something worse than what Canada has.  The Bible, in Canada, is considered hate speech.  Ya know with all that love thy neighbor and striving to be a better person...yep all hateful (unless we don't want to offend any Hithites..you know that extinct civilization that hates the Jews).  I really don't understand what's happening to our country.  I mean I do understand the why and the how but I don't understand why all the silence.  Do we realize that the Constitution is still sitting in the National Achieve out in the open?  Or  do we think it's lost in the bookshelves of the National Library and we don't quite remember what it says?  I really don't know how much more I can take of this.

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Fantastic article, Stewie.  The ADL is nobody's friend, and that bill really needs to be watched carefully.

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Reid_nr As convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff reported to federal prison today, a source close to the investigation surrounding his activities told ABC News that Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was one of the members of Congress Abramoff had allegedly implicated in his cooperation with federal prosecutors.

A spokesperson for Reid, elected yesterday as the Senate Majority Leader, said the senator had done nothing illegal or unethical.

"We have no idea what Abramoff is telling prosecutors to save his skin, but I do know that these kind of old allegations are completely ridiculous and untrue," Sen. Reid's spokesman Jim Manley told ABC News.

A source close to the investigation says Abramoff told prosecutors that more than $30,000 in campaign contributions to Reid from Abramoff's clients "were no accident and were in fact requested by Reid."

Abramoff has reportedly claimed the Nevada senator agreed to help him on matters related to Indian gambling.

The Associated Press reported earlier this year that Reid wrote at least four letters helpful to the tribes that had contributed money to his campaign.

Reid has denied there was any connection between the letters and the contributions and has said he is a longtime opponent of certain kinds of Indian reservation gambling.

The AP reported that Reid acknowledged "routine contacts" with Abramoff's lobbying partners and intervening to block rival tribal casinos.

The AP also reported that Abramoff's billing records showed extensive contact with Reid's office over a three-year period in which Reid collected more than $68,000 from Abramoff's firm, partners and clients.

Prosecutors have said that Abramoff's cooperation is essential to the corruption investigation, but, so far, they have brought only one prosecution against a member of Congress connected to Abramoff, Republican Bob Ney of Ohio, who resigned.

The source said prosecutors do not intend to rely solely on Abramoff's account of events, and his allegations against Reid and others will not necessarily result in criminal charges.   

Sources close to the federal investigation say Abramoff has offered testimony about his contacts with "six to eight seriously corrupt Democratic senators" and an ever larger number of Republican members of Congress.

In addition to Reid, the sources say Abramoff has been most closely questioned about his contacts with Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), who was defeated in last week's election.

"Being defeated may have been one of the best things that ever happened to Burns," said a source close to the investigation. "There is much more interest in members of Congress who are still in office," the source said.

Burns, who received more than $150,000 in Abramoff-connected campaign contributions, has strongly denied any wrongdoing and returned the money.

Sen. Reid has been an outspoken critic of the connections between Abramoff and Republican legislators.

In a speech earlier this year, Sen. Reid described it as "a program where the lobbyists paid and the Republican members of Congress played."

The Justice Department said it would have no comment on the ongoing Abramoff investigation.


Just wait until the dirt on Harry Reid comes out.  Then we're going to have some fireworks!

It couldn't happen to a classier dresser.

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What I love is the nonchalantness of this whole thing.  "Oh yea our politicians are taking bribes" la dee da.  Stupid Americans.

Derr Best Country in the F-in world!!!  Cause I don't know any other countries!

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Reply #423 - Nov 16th, 2006 at 6:03pm
 
Cries a little

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/tasers_ucla_student_tasered_by_campus_cops_f...

Better video here: http://www.break.com/index/student_gets_tazed_for_not_having_id.html

Anyone want to believe that this student was white?  No?  Is it because his name is Tabatabainejad in reality?  Hmm.

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Reply #424 - Nov 16th, 2006 at 6:41pm
 
That is a fucking travesty.  I hope those cops are fired and held responsible for their actions.

And as for those people watching, if I'd been in that crowd I'd have been getting tazed to.  I could barely hold back my anger just watching the video.  In real life I'd probably have beat the shit out of the cop.
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Fri Nov 17, 9:15 AM ET

LOS ANGELES - A student who was shocked by a campus police officer's Taser gun after he refused to show ID at a UCLA library thought he was being singled out by the officer because of his Middle Eastern appearance, his lawyer said.
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Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of the U.S.-born student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

Tabatabainejad, 23, was shocked Tuesday night after arguing with a campus police officer who was conducting a routine check of student IDs at the University of California, Los Angeles Powell Library computer lab.

Yagman said his client declined to show his school ID because he thought he was being targeted for his appearance. His family is of Iranian descent.

Police have said Tabatabainejad encouraged others at the library to join his resistance, and when a crowd gathered, the officer used the stun gun on him.

Yagman disputed that, saying Tabatabainejad started yelling to draw attention after the police officer pulled out the Taser.

Tabatabainejad was arrested for resisting and obstructing a police officer and later released on his own recognizance.

The incident, recorded on another student's camera phone, showed Tabatabainejad screaming while on the floor of the computer lab. It was the third time in a month in which police behavior in the city was criticized after amateur video surfaced.

UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to withhold judgment while the campus police department investigates.

Several civil rights organizations, including Amnesty International and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, have called for an independent review.
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Reply #426 - Nov 17th, 2006 at 5:33pm
 
WE ARE SO SCREWED!!!

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British man convicted of what has been described as the country's first "web-rage" attack, was jailed for 2-1/2 years on Friday for assaulting a man he had exchanged insults with over the Internet.

Paul Gibbons, 47, from south London, admitted he had attacked John Jones in December 2005 after months of exchanging abuse with him via an Internet chatroom dedicated to discussing Islam.

The Old Bailey heard that Gibbons had "taken exception" to Jones, 43, after he had made the claim that Gibbons had been "interfering with children".

After several more verbal and written exchanges -- with Jones threatening to track him down and give him a severe beating -- Gibbons and a friend went to his victim's house in Essex, armed with a pickaxe and machete.


Jones himself was armed with a knife but Gibbons took it off him, held it to his throat and "scratched" him across the neck.

Gibbons, who the court heard had previous convictions for violence, admitted unlawful wounding on the first day of his trial last month.

Other charges of attempted murder and issuing online threats to kill four other chatroom users were not pursued but could be reactivated in future if he reoffends.

Media reports said it was the country's first case of "web-rage" and Judge Richard Hawkins described the circumstances as "unusual".

"This case highlights the dangers of Internet chat rooms, particularly with regards to giving personal details that will allow other users to discover home addresses," said Detective Sergeant Jean-Marc Bazzoni of Essex Police.


This is what happens when freedom of speech is checked.  This is a nation that we have look to to help us decide such important cases as abortion.  Britain is just one of many we considered "civilized".  If we truly are going to take after them in law...I'm very very scared.

I understand the part where he actually did something physically to her but "making threats".  Hopefully none of us makes any Wes' mom jokes in Britain any time soon.

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Reply #427 - Nov 17th, 2006 at 10:22pm
 
Uh, Pat, this is one time where the Brits seem to be perfectly justified.

If you got on the Internet and made a serious threat to kill someone, you would be arrested and tried for that crime.

Even in the US, you can't make threats of bodily injury.  The first amendment does not allow you to threaten to kill someone.

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Reply #428 - Nov 18th, 2006 at 10:18am
 
Yeah I'm gonna gree with the Brits here.  You have the freedo of speech, but you do not have the freedom to impede on someone elses freedoms.

And not being threatened with your life is one of those freedoms.

You can't go around telling people you are going to kill them or beat them with weapons, even over the Internet.

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Wow, did Wes and I just agree on something?  Hurry, take a screenshot!

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Six Muslim imams were removed from a US Airways flight at Minneapolis- St. Paul International Airport on Monday and questioned by police for several hours before being released, a leader of the group said.

The six were among passengers who boarded Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, around 6:30 p.m., airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.

A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, according to Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. She said police were called after the captain and airport security workers asked the men to leave the plane and the men refused.

"They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way," said Omar Shahin, of Phoenix.

The six Muslim scholars were returning from a conference in Minneapolis of the North American Imams Federation, said Shahin, president of the group. Five of them were from the Phoenix-Tempe area, while one was from Bakersfield, Calif., he said.

Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said. He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam.

"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, expressed anger at the detentions.

"CAIR will be filing a complaint with relevant authorities in the morning over the treatment of the imams to determine whether the incident was caused by anti-Muslim hysteria by the passengers and/or the airline crew," Hooper said. "Because, unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing for some time."

Hooper said the meeting drew about 150 imams from all over the country, and that those attending included U.S. Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minneapolis, who just became the first Muslim elected to Congress. Shahin said they went as far as notifying police and the FBI about their meeting in advance.

Shahin expressed frustration that _ despite extensive efforts by him and other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks _ so many Americans know so little about Islam.

"If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he said.

Reached by cell phone just after his release, Shahin said he didn't know where they would spend the night or how they would try to get back to Phoenix on Tuesday. Hooper said US Airways refused to put the men on another flight.

Hogan said more information would likely be released Tuesday.

The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 141 passengers and five crew members, were re-screened for boarding, Rader said. The plane took off about three hours after the men were removed from the flight.


Wait a minute!!!  How could they be terrorists!?  Only people on the No Fly Lists are terrorists!  Like the 4 y/o, the 83 y/o lady, a Sean Penn!

Cause our society isn't quickly becoming the America that black once knew in the 50s and 60s!  Noooo.

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PAPERS PLEASE!  PAPERS!!

This just in...Harlem, NY in now a POW camp!

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The NYPD has installed a patrol tower in a Harlem neighborhood in an effort to cut crime in the high-risk neighborhood.

The two-story booth tower, called Sky Watch, gives the officer sitting inside a better vantage point from which to monitor the area. Officers in the booth have access to a spotlight, sensors, and four cameras. The tower is portable and can be moved to the areas that need it most.

Residents in Harlem say they like the idea, though some wonder if the appearance of Sky Watch has anything to do with the two new luxury condos built on a nearby corner.

"There was crime around here before and they never had it. Now all these expensive buildings, it's true,” said one area resident. “But actually it's good though, because then I used to see a lot of crowd here and sometimes I was scared to pass here, but guess what, that doesn't happen anymore. It’s a kind of deterrence and it's good."

Police say the Harlem tower was placed there to combat a rise in murders.

Sky Watch has also been tested in Crown Heights in Brooklyn where it reduced crime. Police are hoping to have three more towers soon.


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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/221106Ingraham.htm

Yes because we should all plan national policy on what Americans watch on TV!

This is another proof that this administration can't distinguish what is fake and what is real.

If watching 24 makes it ok to torture then I guess the millions who play Grand Theft Auto would be oked to steal cars, run over people, and have some HOT COFFEE with hookers!

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Billy:  Dad the moon looks weird tonight...
Dad:  Billy...that's not moon...that's a battle station!


Wasn't Bush complaining that Lucas kinda made fun of him in SW Ep 3?  Now it seems a bit daft to complain now!


Chaney is so the emperor...or maybe Karl Rove.

"You're either with us or against us...and if you're against us you'll see what my DEATH STAR can do to your planet. 
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The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.

The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him.

Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia.

The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.

Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.

While the Genovese crime family prosecution appears to be the first time a remote-eavesdropping mechanism has been used in a criminal case, the technique has been discussed in security circles for years.

The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call."

Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."

Because modern handsets are miniature computers, downloaded software could modify the usual interface that always displays when a call is in progress. The spyware could then place a call to the FBI and activate the microphone--all without the owner knowing it happened. (The FBI declined to comment on Friday.)

"If a phone has in fact been modified to act as a bug, the only way to counteract that is to either have a bugsweeper follow you around 24-7, which is not practical, or to peel the battery off the phone," Atkinson said. Security-conscious corporate executives routinely remove the batteries from their cell phones, he added.

FBI's physical bugs discovered
The FBI's Joint Organized Crime Task Force, which includes members of the New York police department, had little luck with conventional surveillance of the Genovese family. They did have a confidential source who reported the suspects met at restaurants including Brunello Trattoria in New Rochelle, N.Y., which the FBI then bugged.

But in July 2003, Ardito and his crew discovered bugs in three restaurants, and the FBI quietly removed the rest. Conversations recounted in FBI affidavits show the men were also highly suspicious of being tailed by police and avoided conversations on cell phones whenever possible.

That led the FBI to resort to "roving bugs," first of Ardito's Nextel handset and then of Peluso's. U.S. District Judge Barbara Jones approved them in a series of orders in 2003 and 2004, and said she expected to "be advised of the locations" of the suspects when their conversations were recorded.

Details of how the Nextel bugs worked are sketchy. Court documents, including an affidavit (p1) and (p2) prepared by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Kolodner in September 2003, refer to them as a "listening device placed in the cellular telephone." That phrase could refer to software or hardware.

One private investigator interviewed by CNET News.com, Skipp Porteous of Sherlock Investigations in New York, said he believed the FBI planted a physical bug somewhere in the Nextel handset and did not remotely activate the microphone.

"They had to have physical possession of the phone to do it," Porteous said. "There are several ways that they could have gotten physical possession. Then they monitored the bug from fairly near by."

But other experts thought microphone activation is the more likely scenario, mostly because the battery in a tiny bug would not have lasted a year and because court documents say the bug works anywhere "within the United States"--in other words, outside the range of a nearby FBI agent armed with a radio receiver.

In addition, a paranoid Mafioso likely would be suspicious of any ploy to get him to hand over a cell phone so a bug could be planted. And Kolodner's affidavit seeking a court order lists Ardito's phone number, his 15-digit International Mobile Subscriber Identifier, and lists Nextel Communications as the service provider, all of which would be unnecessary if a physical bug were being planted.

A BBC article from 2004 reported that intelligence agencies routinely employ the remote-activiation method. "A mobile sitting on the desk of a politician or businessman can act as a powerful, undetectable bug," the article said, "enabling them to be activated at a later date to pick up sounds even when the receiver is down."

For its part, Nextel said through spokesman Travis Sowders: "We're not aware of this investigation, and we weren't asked to participate."

Other mobile providers were reluctant to talk about this kind of surveillance. Verizon Wireless said only that it "works closely with law enforcement and public safety officials. When presented with legally authorized orders, we assist law enforcement in every way possible."

A Motorola representative said that "your best source in this case would be the FBI itself." Cingular, T-Mobile, and the CTIA trade association did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Mobsters: The surveillance vanguard
This isn't the first time the federal government has pushed at the limits of electronic surveillance when investigating reputed mobsters.

In one case involving Nicodemo S. Scarfo, the alleged mastermind of a loan shark operation in New Jersey, the FBI found itself thwarted when Scarfo used Pretty Good Privacy software (PGP) to encode confidential business data.

So with a judge's approval, FBI agents repeatedly snuck into Scarfo's business to plant a keystroke logger and monitor its output.

Like Ardito's lawyers, Scarfo's defense attorneys argued that the then-novel technique was not legal and that the information gleaned through it could not be used. Also like Ardito, Scarfo's lawyers lost when a judge ruled in January 2002 that the evidence was admissible.

This week, Judge Kaplan in the southern district of New York concluded that the "roving bugs" were legally permitted to capture hundreds of hours of conversations because the FBI had obtained a court order and alternatives probably wouldn't work.

The FBI's "applications made a sufficient case for electronic surveillance," Kaplan wrote. "They indicated that alternative methods of investigation either had failed or were unlikely to produce results, in part because the subjects deliberately avoided government surveillance."

Bill Stollhans, president of the Private Investigators Association of Virginia, said such a technique would be legally reserved for police armed with court orders, not private investigators.

There is "no law that would allow me as a private investigator to use that type of technique," he said. "That is exclusively for law enforcement. It is not allowable or not legal in the private sector. No client of mine can ask me to overhear telephone or strictly oral conversations."

Surreptitious activation of built-in microphones by the FBI has been done before. A 2003 lawsuit revealed that the FBI was able to surreptitiously turn on the built-in microphones in automotive systems like General Motors' OnStar to snoop on passengers' conversations.

When FBI agents remotely activated the system and were listening in, passengers in the vehicle could not tell that their conversations were being monitored.

Malicious hackers have followed suit. A report last year said Spanish authorities had detained a man who write a Trojan horse that secretly activated a computer's video camera and forwarded him the recordings.


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Here it is folks!!!  We "see Flight 77" hit the Pentagon!!

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pentagon_new_video_shows_explosion_no_pl...

Cause it's not hard to see a 757 from the approach it took!

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How can anyone watch that and not notice the lack of a giant 757 hitting the building?
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Airport security is a serious business, but why was a Reg reader refused a Krispy Kreme doughnut at Heathrow airport?

Admittedly, the sugared snacks contain enough cooking oil and sugar to power a trailer park, but who knew they could be fashioned into bombs?

On Saturday afternoon a Reg reader was dropping some friends at Heathrow and stopped off at Krispy Kreme doughnuts outside Terminal 3.

But the reader was directed to the unstuffed ring doughnuts rather than a full-fat, fully stuffed Krispy Kreme special because the fillings fall foul of security restrictions.

"Imagine our confusion when the guy serving us advised that we could only buy ring doughnuts, not filled, circular doughnuts. A moment or two's wrangling in broken English and we discovered that he thought we were outbound passengers.

On further questioning, apparently the liquid contents of a filled doughnut fall foul of the new restrictions on liquids in carry on luggage. Quite how the authorities imagine that a terrorist could blow up a 747 by rubbing two Krispy Kremes together was a bit beyond us.

But a spokesman for BAA denied they were stamping on Homer's favourite food. He said: "Passengers can take liquids in 100ml bottles carrried in a clear plastic bag. But passengers use common sense on foodstuffs. Sandwich fillings and the like are not restricted."

In fact, the only foods still on the restricted list are: "Liquid-based foods, sauces, stews, soups over 100ml in size."

Drinks suffer the same restrictions, but there is no mention of doughnuts.

The real restrictions are available here on BAA's site.


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Al Cirspy Kreme...FBI terrorist numero uno!

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X wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 11:40pm:
"But passengers use common sense on foodstuffs. Sandwich fillings and the like are not restricted."


If passengers could really use common sense when it comes to carry-on items, TSA (and it's foreign counterparts) would be out of business.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061205-105023-5600r.htm

I just would like to know.  These "experts".  How does Bin Ladden stay alive without getting his insulin for his kidneys.  This man is so sick that 2 weeks before 9/11 he had to go to Dubi hospital, an American hospital btw, to be hooked up to kidney dialysis.  Never mind the fact that he met with a director of the CIA at the same time.  So as Bin Ladden is talked about as literally being on the run and moving from cave to cave and small house to small house...how does he bring all that equipment with him?  Where does he plug it into in his cave?  Or is Bin Ladden just the disappeared pea in the global shell game?

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Alex, I'll take "Disappeared Pea" for 1000, please.

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See this is the result of what we have created with the Homeland Security and PATRIOT ACT!

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Kids across America are warned to stay away from “nose candy” in anti-drug campaigns. But a Kanawha County student is fighting his suspension for pretending to put actual candy up his nose.

According to a lawsuit filed in Kanawha Circuit Court Monday, a student-athlete at Sissonville High School was given Smarties candy as a reward for good academic performance. In front of his teacher and fellow classmates, the student pretended to put one of the small candy discs up his nose. Another student used his cell phone to record video of the incident.

Principal Calvin McKinney, who is named as a defendant along with the Kanawha County school board, allegedly called the plaintiff into his office and confronted him about the incident.
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“The plaintiff informed ... McKinney ... that at no time did he possess any drug or did he claim to possess any drug,” according to the suit.

Still, McKinney then threatened to suspend the student — identified in the lawsuit only by his initials — unless he joined McKinney’s “Narc Program” and went undercover to find real drug users at the school, according to the suit.

“The [student] was told that he was to ‘hang around the bathroom’ and the school parking lot,” the suit states.

McKinney’s investigation into the incident confirmed that the student was telling the truth about the Smarties candy, according to the suit.

“The plaintiff was informed that even though it was, in fact, just candy ... McKinney needed another ‘Narc’ for his program and that if the student would not agree to enter said Narc Program that he would be suspended,” the suit reads.

After the student and his parents met with school officials and the student refused to cooperate with McKinney’s proposal, he received a 10-day suspension, according to the suit.

McKinney allegedly told the family that his “Narc Program” had been in effect for several years, and this was an opportunity to get a good student to go undercover.

The suit contends that McKinney usually uses the threat of suspension to force students who may be suffering academically to become a part of the “Narc Program.”

As a result of the suspension, which began Friday, the student missed a meeting with recruiters who had visited the school to discuss a scholarship opportunity, the suit contends.

The suit seeks an injunction against the school board and unspecified monetary damages for emotional distress, loss of enjoyment of life and the loss of a potential scholarship. It contends that requiring the student to seek out potential drug users could put the student in danger.
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School board attorney Jim Withrow could not be reached for comment Tuesday.


Yes I know you may think the kid is a moron for putting a smartie up his nose.  But I just hope that he was doing it to be ironic.

However the bigger point is that this principal used manipulation and cohesion to "turn" this kid.  Above all...the sole purpose was to snitch on fellow classmates.  I already have video and stories about cops and schools offering kids money to turn in their classmates.  I think I kinda remember reading that in a book.  Kids would turn in their parents to the govt and no real evidence had to be collected then.  And of course these children were hailed as protectors of the Homeland!  I think the book was 1924 or 1948 or something like that...ya know?

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This is so insanely retarded that I can't even think straight.  #@!%@#%!!!

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MUNCIE, Ind. — Erik Estrada and other lesser celebrities have been sworn in as reserve officers of the city police department here, allowing them to carry badges and guns as part of a reality television series.

About 200 people packed into a Muncie City Hall auditorium for the Tuesday ceremony to swear in the former "CHiPs" star, along with La Toya Jackson, Jack Osbourne, Wee Man and Trish Stratus.

A producer coaxed the crowd into cheering loudly for the camera, and parts of the ceremony had to be repeated several times for the TV cameras.

"Roll call is at 6 o'clock," Muncie Police Chief Joe Winkle told the celebrities. "Do not be late."

Winkle had to say the line three times. The first take was interrupted by audience applause, the second was too quiet.

"Welcome to TV," said Julie Link of Forman Productions. "Sometimes, we have to retake."

The CBS show, "Armed and Famous," being filmed in this east-central Indiana city, population 66,000, follows the celebrities as they enforce the laws alongside city police officers.

Estrada joked with the crowd that people may not recognize him as an officer because he would not be wearing his toupee. He pulled up the back inch of his hairpiece and wiggled it, drawing laughter from the crowd.

Estrada carried a gun but rarely used it to stop bad guys in his 1970s motorcycle-cops drama.

He also appeared in VH1's "Surreal Life" in 2004. Osbourne, 21, son of rocker Ozzy Osbourne, was on the MTV's "The Osbournes." Wee Man, 33, a 4-foot-7 skateboarder, gained fame on the MTV show "Jackass."

Jackson, 50, a singer and sister of Michael and Janet Jackson, is a native of Gary, and Stratus is a former WWE professional wrestler.

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This is a train wreck waiting to happen.  Since a TV show is deemed to be sufficient reason to swear them in, will the PD there do it for me too?  My reasons must be at least as good as a freakin' TV show, right?  Nationwide concealed carry, here I come!

What a joke.  This demeans every officer who has worked to earn their badge.  Swearing in people for entertainment?  Come on!  Prostituting the uniform for a bit of press coverage and the opportunity to hobnob with '70's TV stars is just retarded.

On the other hand, reading about the lawsuits that will inevitably surface when these TV stars cap somebody will be fun. "What training did you have?  None?  But the city authorized you to carry a gun and enforce the law?"

Still, can you imagine being someone who called the police because of an emergency?  I guess you better want your privacy invaded by a bunch of morons with video cameras.

If memory serves, Jack Osbourne has quite a heavy drug habit.  Did the city of Muncie overlook that little fact when they approved this circus?  Thanks to the recent law allowing nationwide concealed carry for police officers, this idiot will now be allowed to carry a concealed firearm anywhere he please.  Fan-frickin'-tastic.

Fire the chief, do a recall election of the city council members that approved it, and run the celebrities out of town on a rail.  Problem solved!

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Here are some pictures of training the actors did to become certified.  LAME.

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Singer LaToya Jackson takes aim during filming of the CBS reality show "Armed & Famous" in Muncie, Ind., Monday, Dec. 4, 2006. The cast had firearms training as part of their performance as reserve officers with the Muncie Police Department.

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Sgt. Rick Eber of the Muncie, Ind, police department instructs former WWE pro wrestler Trish Stratus during filming of the CBS reality show "Armed & Famous" in Muncie Monday, Dec. 4, 2006

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Actor Erik Estrada, left, star of the 1970s television show "CHiPs" and Jason "Wee Man" Acuna, center, of the MTV reality show "Jackass" get instruction from Muncie Police Sgt. Rick Eber during filming of the CBS reality show "Armed & Famous" in Muncie, Ind., Monday, Dec. 4, 2006.

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Jack Osbourne, left, of the MTV reality show "The Osbournes" and Jason "Wee Man" Acuna of the MTV reality show "Jackass" walk from a target during filming of the CBS reality show "Armed & Famous" in Muncie, Ind., Monday, Dec. 4, 2006.

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Jason "Wee Man" Acuna of the MTV reality show "Jackass" takes a break from filming of the CBS reality show "Armed & Famous" in Muncie, Ind., Monday, Dec. 4, 2006.
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You know Erik Estrada's defense will be the following:

"No, but I played one on TV!"  *Grin*
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1968664,00.html

Ok someone tell me a) why no one is mad at this? b) Why the British govt isn't mad at this? and c) the purpose of the bugging if it wasn't for some ulterior purpose?!

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DNA swab ... Should samples from babies be added to the National Database?

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BRITAIN’S most senior murder investigator has called for DNA to be taken from babies.

Commander Dave Johnston said it would build up a database to SOLVE crimes and PREVENT others.

He said samples could also be taken from Britons renewing passports and from migrants arriving here. The head of the Met Police’s Homicide and Serious Crime Unit, went on: “We have 300,000 unsolved cases where we have taken a profile at a crime scene but have not yet matched it.

“As well as solving crime, it would really make someone think twice about committing crime if they knew their DNA was on a database.

“There is also a compelling case for taking DNA from people when they die, so that we can cleanse the database.”

There are already three million profiles — covering six per cent of the population — on the National DNA Database, set up in 1999.

Currently saliva samples are taken only from those arrested and cost £47 to put on the database.

Yet “heel prick” blood samples are already taken from babies at four days old to test for genetic diseases and could be used at little extra cost.

Cdr Johnston — Vice Chair of the Association of Chief Police Officers’ homicide working group — stressed his was a personal view. He added: “There are a lot of issues around this, including human rights issues. That’s the debate I want.”


Now we must also do it to every adult!  Uhh now we must put tracking chips in your kids...for their safety...if ya know...they get abducted.  Ummm now we must do it to all adults.  I've got it!  To stop crime we must get the population of the world down to 500 Million and put more of you in "internment camps!"

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You make knock off rubix cubes...DHS comes barging in on you for terrorism.

They loose 111,000 immigrant files resulting in citizenship for them without any knowledge if they are good or bad...meh nothing...they get re-elected.

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An investigation by a government oversight agency recently revealed that in 2005 U.S. immigration authorities either “lost” or could not account for an estimated 111,000 files on immigrants to the United States, resulting in tens of thousands gaining citizenship without any indication as to whether authorities had checked to see if any of them had a criminal history.

The shocking loss was discovered in a study by the Government Accounting Office (GAO) sought by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa). As many as 30,000 immigrants obtained citizenship with limited scrutiny as a result.

“In 2002, we had a person who was a threat to the United States that got citizenship and the file wasn't even reviewed,” Grassley said on the Lou Dobbs TV show Dec. 4.

“How can this happen? Basic incompetence of paperwork or the fact that even paperwork exists as opposed to having this stuff on computer where it can be saved.”

There only has to be “one mistake” and the United States could again become a victim of terrorism, Grassley said, “A terrorist has to be right once,” he said. “We have to be right every time.”

Grassley was referring to an individual who received his U.S. citizenship and was a known supporter of the Lebanese militia group, Hezbollah, which the United States considers a terrorist organization. Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, the Netherlands and Israel also consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization. The rest of the world considers it a legitimate resistance organization that defends southern Lebanon from Israeli incursions.

“If they can't handle legal immigration, how are they going to give amnesty to 12 million people that are here illegally?” Dobbs asked.

“A test on that will come next year when we have a debate on an amendment that there can't be any guest worker programs or even any consideration of legalizing illegality if we don't control the borders in the first place,” Grassley responded. “In other words, control the borders in the first place and then look at all these other issues as a next step.”

In a prepared statement issued earlier, Grassley said “It takes one missing file of somebody with links to a terrorist organization to become an American citizen. A terrorist can be unsuccessful thousands of times, but we have to be perfect all the time. We can't afford to be handing out citizenship with blinders on.”

The 30,000 missing files represent about 4% of the 715,000 total applications handled by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2005. The CIS is an agency within the Department of Homeland Security. The files, known as “A files,” contain information such as arrest warrants and the results of immigration proceedings. The losses can be attributed to “poor training” and “a lack of emphasis by managers,” the report said.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Me.), who also called for the investigation, observed that some of the 9-11 hijackers entered the country legally, disappearing until the terrorist attacks.

She called it “unthinkable” that the U.S. immigration system could still grant citizenship to a potential terrorist “simply because they can't find a person's file.”

CIS officials told auditors that case adjudicators are not required to document whether they use A files. This means some of the 30,000 could have been reviewed but they don't know. Auditors recommended CIS tell employees to note whether an A file was used to adjudicate an application—something any clerk-typist would recommend.


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Wow this is a well put together website:

http://www.yourchristianpresident.com

Check this video out...it's on this page:

http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/Religion.htm

Entitled - Bush admits that in his version of Christianity, non-Christians can go to heaven!.

Soo...umm ya...any thoughts?

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2496369,00.html?iraq

Secret talks with insurgents break down?  I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists?  Why don't we go...hmm these are the leaders of the insurgency...LET'S BRING A FRACKIN GUN!  Bam Bam Bam!  Insurgents dead!  Or is it...are we controlling them?  Hmmm

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HOUSTON (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court will allow ex-Enron Chief Executive Jeffrey Skilling to stay out of prison while it considers granting him bail, according to a report published on the Wall Street Journal's Web site on Monday.
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Skilling was scheduled to report to a federal prison in Minnesota on Tuesday to begin a 24-year sentence for his role in hiding Enron's financial condition from investors as the company's fortunes eroded prior to its 2001 collapse.

Skilling attorney Daniel Petrocelli told the paper he found out Monday evening the Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals would allow Skilling to remain under house arrest while it considers granting him bail during his appeals of fraud and conspiracy convictions.

A Houston jury convicted Skilling in May.

Since being sentenced in October, Skilling has been under house arrest in Houston and required to wear an electronic monitoring device on his ankle.


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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/121206mocks.htm

Showtime show mocking 9/11 truth-seeks...warning contains profanity.
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Believe it or not, there was a time when people would have doubted a picture like this could have been taken in America. No one would believe it -- probably some third-world despot or Eastern European dictatorship.

In fact, it was taken in Durham, North Carolina by a college photojournalist, and recently won in the "Spot News" category of the College Photographer of the Year competition.

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    A member of the Durham Police Department Selective Enforcement Team escorts a child to use the bathroom after serving a search warrant at a suspected drug house. Working closely with the police department's Gang Units, SET is responsible for making high-risk entries into dwellings to serve search warrants. Gang Unit Two made two controlled buys, or drug purchases, from the home with the help of an informant, giving them probable cause for a search warrant.


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A federal judge Wednesday dismissed [ruling, PDF] a habeas corpus petition brought by Guantanamo detainee Salim Hamdan [ Trial Watch profile ], finding it was clearly barred under the controversial habeas-stripping language [JURIST report] of the new Military Commissions Act (MCA) [text, PDF] even though it was pending at the time the Act was passed. Agreeing with a position [JURIST report] on pending habeas petitions taken earlier this fall by the US Department of Justice, US District Judge James Robertson wrote in the first ruling to construe the MCA:
Hamdan's lengthy detention beyond American borders but within the jurisdictional authority of the United States is historically unique. Nevertheless, as the government argues in its reply brief, his connection to the United States lacks the geographical and volitional predicates necessary to claim a constitutional right to habeas corpus. Petitioner has never entered the United States and accordingly does not enjoy the “implied protection” that accompanies presence on American soil. Guantanamo Bay, although under the control of the United States military, remains under “the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba.” Presence within the exclusive jurisdiction and control of the United States was enough for the Court to conclude in Rasul that the broad scope of the habeas statute covered Guantanamo Bay detainees, but the detention facility lies outside the sovereign realm, and only U.S. citizens in such locations may claim entitlement to a constitutionally guaranteed writ...

Congress's removal of jurisdiction from the federal courts was not a suspension of habeas corpus within the meaning of the Suspension Clause (or, to the extent that it was, it was plainly unconstitutional, in the absence of rebellion or invasion), but Hamdan's statutory access to the writ is blocked by the jurisdiction-stripping language of the Military Commissions Act, and he has no constitutional entitlement to habeas corpus.
In the context of his ruling Robertson left unaddressed Hamdan's general arguments that the Military Commissions Act is unconstitutional "because it does not provide an adequate substitute for habeas review, because it violates the principle of separation of powers by instructing the courts to ignore the Supreme Court's ruling that the Geneva Conventions afford judicially enforceable protections to petitioner Hamdan, because it is an unlawful Bill of Attainder, and because it violates Equal Protection."

Robertson initially granted Hamdan's habeas petition at the initial stage of the Hamdan v. Rumsfeld case in 2004, holding - as he explained Wednesday - that "he could could not be tried lawfully before a military commission that had not [then] been approved by Congress." Robertson's ruling was upheld on appeal [JURIST report] by the US Supreme Court in June this year


This violates so many US laws it's ridiculous.  Most of all is the ex post facto rule or "after the fact".  It'd be like me sneezing now and then 10 years from now a law says that no one can sneeze and then charge me for my sneeze now.  Not to mention the whole military commissions "act" is neither militarily lawful nor Constitutionally lawful.  Even in the military prionsers (that is our own military people we put in Leavenworth and the like) or POWs can submit habeas corpus writs.

People should burn for these executive branch "laws"

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Whatever happened to the common law theory of prohibiting "ex post facto" application?  This judgment horrendously violates the rule of law.

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Dismissing privacy concerns, Michael Chertoff says electronically read IDs will make the country more secure.
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WASHINGTON--U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Thursday defended forthcoming national ID cards as vital for security and consistent with privacy rights.


Yes "privacy" meaning only you and anyone with government access knows about it.  Then that's true only if all those intelligence agency agents don't steal them or sell them or "loose" them.

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Chertoff said one of his agency's top goals next year is to forge ahead with recommendations for the controversial documents established by a federal law called the Real ID Act in May 2005. By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account or take advantage of myriad government services such as Social Security.


What this article doesn't tell you is that the Bush admin slipped the Real ID Act under some crucial bills at the last minute.  Also the reason WHY tis is controversial, which again this article says nothing about, because some 60-70% of the American public DON'T WANT IT!  I think tyranny of the majority just because tyranny of the minority aka our govt appointed bodies!

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"I think this is an example (of) when security and privacy go hand in hand," the Homeland Security chief said in a half-hour speech at George Washington University here. "It is a win-win for both."


Umm how is this a win for the American people?  Oh anything we do can be tracked and all this after we read about the millions of IDs stolen from Vets and current service members.  If you can't treat your own soldiers with respect enough to care about what happens to their personal data then why should you care about us "little people"?

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The importance of such documents was magnified by an announcement Wednesday, Chertoff said. Federal authorities reported that they had made more than 1,200 arrests related to immigration violations and unmasked criminal organizations stealing and trafficking in genuine birth certificates and Social Security cards belonging to U.S. citizens.


Here's a plan...how about you tighten security on the boarders and you won't have to worry about the LEGAL AMERICAN PUBLIC!!!

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"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.


And how is the National ID Card going to do that?!  I will be anyone...any money that we find, if and when this gets implemented...the bastards, that their is counterfeiting and theft of these "unsinkable" cards.

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The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.


Just like our SSN right?  Oh wait....

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The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals.


What?!  No!  Go back to sleep America...you're government has everything under control...Go back to sleep America.

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Some have argued that the idea of creating more tamperproof IDs is only a marginally better way to screen out those intent on committing terrorist acts because ID cards don't even begin to tackle a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.


WTF?!  Who are these "Some" that are arguing?  This would mean...hey let's chip people so we can track their actions to see if they are terrorists.  If we are suspicious of someone let's not allow them to buy goods and services because of it!

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State governments have also been critical of the 2008 deadline and what they have said amounts to an unfunded mandate to switch over their systems. A September study released by the National Governors Association, National Conference of State Legislatures and American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators estimated that the overhaul of their identification systems would cost states more than $11 billion over five years. The New Hampshire state legislature even considered passing a law earlier this year that would prohibit the state from complying with the federal Real ID law.


Ya but why listen to the states...X says sarcastically...ya know if the states weren't so commandeered by the fed with money in order to survive I would almost think we'd have another civil war looming!  I wish people would be forced to read their Constitutions again.

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Homeland Security has yet to issue congressionally mandated recommendations for the cards, so it's unclear how, exactly, they would work. The cards must contain, at a minimum, a person's name, birth date, gender, ID number, digital portrait, address, "physical security features" to prevent tampering or counterfeiting and a "common machine-readable technology" specified by Homeland Security.


Ya good luck with that.  Also, if we are so concerned with the immediate terrorist actions....why did we wait so long to implement these things?

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A recent draft report by a DHS advisory committee advised against using radio frequency identification technology, or RFID, in tracking humans because of privacy concerns.


Ya they'll just stick a chip in our arms for that!  Don't need over kill!

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The purpose of Chertoff's Thursday morning speech was to reflect on the agency's work during the past year and to outline goals for 2007. For the past year, he focused on three major areas: immigration and border security, Hurricane Katrina recovery and a foiled terrorism plot originating from London in August.

Conspicuously absent was any mention of the department's cybersecurity plans. After more than a year of delay, Chertoff hired Gregory Garcia, who had been working as a vice president at the Information Technology Association of America lobby group, as the department's first assistant secretary for cybersecurity. That step came after the department had sustained repeated bashing of its efforts in that realm from members of Congress.


What did the DHS do this year?  Here's something to show you how much of a waste DHS really is!
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/07/19/audit_finds_ipods_dog...

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The Iranian central bank is to convert the state's foreign dollar assets into euros and use the euro for foreign transactions.


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China switched to a "basket" currency system last year.  They peg their currency to a mix of world currencies now, not solely the US dollar.

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Shows McVeigh was in military receiving instruction in "explosives and demolition" over a year after official story says he was discharged, whistleblower harassed for years while unknowingly in possession of bombshell tape

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A video that shows Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh at a U.S. military base that specializes in explosives and demolition training over a year after he supposedly left the army puts the official story of the April 19 1995 federal building bombing under serious doubt and mandates a re-opening of an investigation into the terror attack that killed 168 people.

The video was released by Bill Bean, a film producer who has suffered intense surveillance and harassment since taking the footage, and is the subject of a February 2007 Hustler Magazine feature story.

On August 3rd 1993, Bean was given a tour of the Camp Grafton military facility in North Dakota as part of a research effort to scout possible shooting locations for a film he was working on. Bean met the Camp Superintendent Col. Dahl and was permitted to film every location he visited.

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Bean takes up the story, "I videotaped all locations as possible future shot sites even if there was no actual scene written for that location. Mess Hall, Rec Room, Armory, etc. About an hour into the tour we passed by a long row of tanks and I was informed these had been used in the Gulf War. In fact I believe I was told there were captured tanks there also. While videotaping and viewing this location, two soldiers began to offload what I was told was an armored personnel carrier from a flatbed. One soldier driving the other directing from the ground. I watched them for a moment and then did a slow 360 with my camera and came back to them."

Given permission to board the tank, Bean walked over and pointed the camera inside, at which point one of the soldiers turned around and, appearing somewhat shocked to see the camera, uttered a brief response to Bean's question and attempted to push past him.

That individual has now been positively identified to be Timothy McVeigh, who according to the official timeline as endorsed by the FBI, was honorably discharged from the military for the last time in May 1992. And yet he is seen here on tape at a U.S. military base over a year after that date in August of 1993.

"I did not realize how significant what I had was, for many years," states Bean, "It was not until Mcveigh’s trial that I realized it was Mcveigh in the tank. Even then the larger point escaped me. That point is, McVeigh was not supposed to be in the military at that time. His military record shows him enlisting in 1988, being honorably discharged from the Army, on Dec. 31, 1991. His records then show he was in the Army reserve in Buffalo New York, from January 1992 until May 1992, he was then honorably discharged from the Army reserve. After May of 1992 he was never again in uniform on any base anywhere, never again part of the military. He was totally out of military service. The FBI states the only time they lose track of McVeigh, in his entire life, is the late summer of 93. They think he was somewhere between Kingman Arizona and Decker Michigan. Probably at gun shows, meeting antigovernment rightwing militia types. But he wasn’t, he was at Camp Grafton, in uniform, learning explosives and demolition!"

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To confirm that the individual in the tape was indeed McVeigh, Bean presented the video to Prof. Blomgren of the University of Utah, who then undertook a voice forensics analysis. The results produced an 86% match for the voice characteristics heard in the video compared to those taken from a 60 Minutes interview with McVeigh.

Though in a response to Hustler the North Dakota National Guard denied McVeigh was ever present at Camp Grafton, they did confirm that demolitions training is part of the regimen at the facility.

Bean provided us with a list of suspicious telephone calls, examples of harassment and surveillance that he had been targeted for in the seven year period after filming McVeigh, starting in 1994. Much of the surveillance and spying occurred even before Bean became aware that he had filmed Timothy McVeigh.

"On Wed June 19th 2002, my mother who lived with me was talking to a relative in Washington state. The relative said the line sounded “strange” my mother said “Yea, the phone is tapped!” At that point the phone went dead," claims Bean.

"Or, look at January 14th Tues 2003. We lived on the third floor of an apt. building. A green station wagon, Illinois plates HYB115, parked down two doors and sat there with the engine on. For over 25 minutes a woman sat in the driver’s seat looking up in our window. All the while she kept a running dialogue with someone who wasn’t there. She held a device, thin, dark plastic or metal up to her mouth and then would read something on it. She did this for more than 25 minutes. When my mother who was suffering from cancer, walked into the room, I whispered in her ear what was happening. Being a sick old woman she said out loud, “who is looking in our window from a car?” At that point the woman shoved the car in gear and sped away tires screeching!”

The fact that McVeigh was still involved with the U.S. army long after his supposed honorable discharge only amplifies long-standing questions that severely undermine the official explanation behind the Oklahoma City bombing.

- In early April 1995 a Ryder truck identical to the one used in the bombing was filmed by a pilot during an overflight of of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma. A June 17th, 1997 Washington Post article authenticates the photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs. Why were the military in possession of a Ryder truck housed in a remote clandestine army base days before the Alfred P. Murrah bombing?

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- In a 1993 letter to his sister, McVeigh claimed that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an "elite squad of government paid assassins." McVeigh often contradicted himself and changed his story on a whim to fit in with the latest government version of events. Is the Camp Grafton footage evidence of McVeigh's enrollment in such a clandestine program?

- The August 1993 footage neatly fills in an unexplained gap in McVeigh' timeline that even the FBI cannot explain. Was this gap deliberately left ignored to avoid a probe into McVeigh's activities at Camp Grafton?

- The FBI claimed McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing and yet on the morning of the attack he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions.

- Multiple reports of Arabs at the scene assisting McVeigh were ignored and surveillance tapes were withheld under national security. The likely reason for this was the fact that Bush senior and Clinton were responsible for bringing in nearly 1,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by U.S. forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, some of whom were involved in the bombing.

- Original reports of two explosions and several failed devices being defused by bomb squads were buried by the establishment as the official explanation that McVeigh acted alone was pushed.

- Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast.


Check out the video and pics here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/181206mcveighvideo.htm

This really shoots down the govt's official story.  Well this and about a million other pieces of evidence.

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Yeah I take anything posted on prisonplanet with a grain of salt really.  Just like the news is biased towards the government, prisonplanet is damn near as bad when it comes to leaning towards the conspiracy side of things.
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Well I think that's true for anything.  However the video and picture evidence helps.  Plus this isn't a...ooo look what Democrats did...that means the Republicans will save us!  This shows that both sides are just as evil as each other.

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Well I am not saying I disagree with the article.  But you gotta look at the facts.

1.  Can they show documentation and get witnesses to testify that video was recorded WHEN he says it was recorded?

2.  "The man in the video has been positively identified as Timothy...."....by who?  A few guys at Prison Planet?  Prison Planet has a way of wording things to convince, just likes the major news networks word things to spin.

Like I said, I agree, it probably IS ol Timmy...but you gotta prove it.
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I can answer those questions because Alex Jones had the actual guy that filmed this piece yesterday on his show.  More info is coming out...in all places...Hustler magazine.

1)  The guy was on a scouting location shoot and you have the time stamp of the video, receipts from the studio, and personal testimony of the film maker.

2)  No prison planet didn't do the test.  A University of Utah Professor Blambgrin at the Speech Department who did the biometrics and voice analysis on the video and has released a report and is even willing to testify in a court of law that this is McVeigh.

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The_Fat_Man wrote on Dec 19th, 2006 at 3:51pm:
Yeah I take anything posted on Prison Planet with a grain mine full of salt really.


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This is an old school video, but I recently found it again while doing some digging.  These are Cheney's comments to Rockefeller at the Council on Foreign Relations.  Make sure you wait for the punchline at the end...

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For growing numbers of international business travelers, visa and customs regulations are making trips to the United States a thing of the past.

Companies say U.S. rules have become so onerous in the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, that it is often simpler to meet customers, business partners and employees elsewhere. Exxon Mobil has held customer meetings in a London branch office; Ingersoll-Rand says it took one of its Indian engineers three 18-hour trips to get his U.S. visa.

Problems created by the entry requirements have become so evident that the man who initially helped enforce them — Tom Ridge, the first U.S. secretary of homeland security — is now working with a business group to change them.

"Our challenge now is to continue to meet our security needs while striking a better balance with how we welcome foreign visitors," Ridge said
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Interesting...let's see how long it takes the elite to give up security for money...they did it so easily for giving up freedom for security...this should be easier.

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TYLER, Texas - A one-time Texas drug agent described by a former boss as perhaps the best narcotics officer in the country plans to begin selling a video that shows people how to conceal their drugs and fool police.

Barry Cooper, who once worked for police departments in Gladewater and Big Sandy and the Permian Basin Drug Task Force, plans to launch a Web site next week where he will sell his video, "Never Get Busted Again," the Tyler Morning Telegraph reported in its online edition Thursday.

A promotional video says Cooper will show viewers how to "conceal their stash," "avoid narcotics profiling" and "fool canines every time."

Cooper, who said he favors the legalization of marijuana, made the video in part because he believes the nation's fight against drugs is a waste of resources. Busting marijuana users fills up prisons with nonviolent offenders, he said.

"My main motivation in all of this is to teach Americans their civil liberties and what drives me in this is injustice and unfairness in our system," Cooper told the newspaper.

Cooper said his Web site should be operating by Tuesday, and he plans to publicize the video in a full-page advertisement in a national publication.

As a drug officer, Cooper said, he made more than 800 drug arrests and seized more than 50 vehicles and $500,000 in cash and assets.

"He was even better than he says he was," said Tom Finley, Cooper's former boss on a West Texas drug task force and now a private investigator in Midland. "He was probably the best narcotics officer in the state and maybe the country during his time with the task force."

News of the video has angered authorities, including Richard Sanders, an agent with the Tyler Drug Enforcement Agency. Sanders said he plans to investigate whether the video violates any laws.

"It outrages me personally as I'm sure it does any officer that has sworn an oath to uphold the laws of this state, and nation," Sanders said. "It is clear that his whole deal is to make money and he has found some sort of scheme, but for him to go to the dark side and do this is infuriating."

Smith County Deputy Constable Mark Waters, a narcotics officer, said the video is insulting to law enforcement officials, especially when it was made by an ex-police officer.

"It's an embarrassment to all law enforcement officers across the United States, who put their life on the line everyday," Waters said. "This is a slap in the face to all that we do to uphold the laws and keep the public safe."


I stuck this post in this thread because it deals with civil liberties.  Interesting!

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Washington -- The U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has provided special training to sensitize the 45,000 security officers working in the nation’s airports to the cultural traditions of American Muslims traveling to Saudi Arabia to participate in the hajj.

“We put out information telling everyone that hajj is coming; this is the time frame; individuals are going to be traveling with these types of items; just to be aware that they may also be praying,” TSA spokesman Darrin Kayser told USINFO December 26. “I guess you would call it cultural sensitivity training.”

Kayser said cultural awareness has been an integral part of TSA training since the agency assumed responsibility for managing airport security after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. He said the hajj briefings were essentially “refresher training” and a chance to alert officers that a larger number of Muslim travelers will be passing through the airports during this season. He said the TSA had a particular interest in performing the training this year, as the hajj corresponds with the busy Christmas-New Year holiday travel season.

The training comes just one month after Department of Homeland Security personnel came under criticism for removing six imams from a domestic flight for what one passenger considered suspicious behavior. (See related article.)

The hajj, or annual pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, is a religious duty for Muslims. According to Saudi officials, it draws about 2.5 million pilgrims each year.

The number of American Muslims participating in the hajj has been increasing in recent years. According to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, about 15,000 Americans made the pilgrimage in 2005. (See related article.)

Kayser said the training included reminders about procedures for screening individuals with head coverings and TSA policies regarding the transport of holy water. According to TSA guidelines, any container larger than 88 milliters must be carried in a passenger’s checked baggage.

The TSA began its training sessions in mid-December and expects to see hajj travelers through early January 2007.

Additional information on hajj travel is available at the TSA Web site.


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So as these TSA officers are strip searching Muslims and basically singling them out they can talk to them about hajj?

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/020107Martial.htm

I don't know if I posted this or not but here it is again if I did and he's a sick, sick America come to reality if it hasn't.

These are the types of situations I look at and ask myself, "When I become a cop...will I be ordered to do this?"  "Will I follow the orders?"

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TOKYO — Drivers who get beyond the wheel after too many drinks could soon find themselves in trouble not just with the law, but with their cars, too.

Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) is developing a reputedly fail-safe system for cars that detects drunken drivers and automatically shuts the vehicle down if sensors pick up signs of excessive alcohol consumption, a news report said Wednesday.

Cars fitted with the detection system will not start if sweat sensors in the driving wheel detect high levels of alcohol in the driver's bloodstream, according to a report carried by the mass-circulation daily, Asahi Shimbun.

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The system could also kick in if the sensors detect abnormal steering, or if a special camera shows that the driver's pupils are not in focus. The car is then slowed to a halt, the report said.

The world's No. 2 automaker hopes to fit cars with the system by the end of 2009, according to the report. Calls to Toyota's headquarters in Nagoya rang unanswered on Wednesday, a public holiday.

Nissan Motor Co., another Japanese car manufacturer, has already been experimenting with breathalyzer-like devices that could detect if a driver was drunken. Similar technologies, such as alcohol ignition interlocks, are in use in the U.S. and elsewhere.

Some in the U.S. hailed the report as evidence of companies addressing societal problems while appealing to consumer demands. In an e-mailed response to a FOXNews.com reporter's questions, David Boaz, Executive Vice President of the Cato Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank, said "This is a great example of the way the private sector solves problems. There's more demand for reducing drunk driving, and Toyota is responding to that demand with innovative engineering."

Concerns over drunken driving have surged in Japan following a series of alcohol-related accidents last year. In August, a drunken driver collided with another vehicle carrying a family of five, plunging them off a bridge and killing three children.

The incident prompted stepped-up roadside spot checks by police, who also plan to stiffen penalties for drunken driving.

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Wow.  That's great.  If I spill some mouthwash on my hands, will the car prevent me from going to work in the morning?  If I get fired, is Toyota going to get me another job?  Will the car also call the police and give them my location so they can come arrest me?

Drunk driving is retarded, but this isn't the way to fix it.

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Cause no one could wear gloves or what would happen if the driver isn't gripping th wheel properly until he/she gets on the freeway...suddenly the car shuts off!  No one is thinking these things through.

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Socialism will get its first-ever face in the US Senate when veteran Vermont politician Bernard "Bernie" Sanders takes a seat in the powerful upper house of the legislature.

In a country where most people think more of North Korea when they hear the word "socialism" -- rather than, for instance, democratic socialist Scandinavian countries -- Sanders, 65, will be a new phenomenon in the staid two-party system of Washington.

The son of Jewish immigrants from Poland is hardly an extreme leftist. But those in his home state used to his gruff, straight-spoken ways say he could stir up the debate over the policies of President George W. Bush as he assumes his role as a key ally of the new but slim Democratic majority.

Sanders swept to victory with a decisive 65 percent of the vote in the Vermont senatorial race last November.

Running officially as an independent but never hiding his socialist ideas, he trounced a businessman who spent seven million dollars of his own fortune in the race.

But it was hardly surprising after a three decade career in Vermont politics, where people have learned that his disheveled air of a college professor and his strong accent from his native Brooklyn, New York, don't pose a threat to US democracy.

"I'm a democratic socialist," he says, explaining his beliefs.

"To my mind, our goal should be a society in which you have a strong entrepreneurial class creating wealth, creating good jobs, but at the same time you need a strong government presence to make sure that all of our people receive at least a minimum standard of living."

It is an idea Sanders has been pushing since he first ran for a Vermont seat in the Senate in the early 1970s. He only got six percent of the vote against mainstream Democratic and Republican party candidates.

But when he then decided instead to contest the mayorship of the state's largest city, Burlington, in 1981, he surprised everyone by beating the veteran Democratic incumbent by a bare 10 votes.

"No one expected him to win that race," said Peter Freyne, a political reporter for the local weekly Seven Days. "He was on the fringe, a loud mouth screamer."

His victory left local people nervous about the socialist label, rarely worn voluntarily by successful US politicians. Under Sanders the city was sarcastically branded "The People's Republic of Burlington."

"They were fearful," recalled Garrison Nelson, a University of Vermont political science professor who had to go on television to explain that a Soviet attack on a local air base was not imminent as a result of Sanders' taking office.

After his first triumph, few thought Sanders would last in politics, refusing to join either the Democrats and Republicans, and wearing his socialist views openly.

But on a strong record of managing Burlington, making it known as one of the country's most livable cities, he was reelected mayor three times in the 1980s.

That record helped carry him to victory in the 1990 contest for Vermont's sole seat in the US House of Representatives. He held the seat for eight two-year terms before deciding to chase the Senate seat last year.

"The most rural state in the union picking a Brooklyn Jewish socialist makes no sense. But that's the great paradox of Vermont," said Nelson.

Nelson said Sanders, who can come across as rude, sports hardly any of the normal attributes of successful US politicians.

"If you look at all the resources that usually exist to explain the success of an American politician, you realize that he has not a lot," Nelson said.

"He has no political party, he has no personal wealth. He's not what you call charming, no family connections."

Sanders is not shy of saying what he thinks, says Cathy Resmer, a local journalist, but it helps him.

"People think he is telling the truth and they like that. He tells them what he believes and not what they want to hear," Resmer said.

"He's an indefatigable politician, full of energy and dedicated to the people," adds Freyne.

"He has no hobby. Politics is his hobby, his life, and he's determined to get results."

The Senate will give Sanders a new soapbox for his views. He is officially listed as an independent, but in practice he and another independent will work with the Democrats and be key to their bare 51-49 seat majority over Bush's Republicans.

"He's going to do everything he can to make president Bush miserable," Nelson predicts. "He's a one-of-a-kind phenomenon."

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Great, just what we needed - a socialist in the Senate!  If you ask me, the Senate has been dominated by Socialists for decades.  At least this guy is honest about his views.

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Could someone please tell me how you can have a strong economy AND a govt who provides a "minimum standard of living" for its people...of 300 million?!

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It's stories like this that bring a twinkle to my eye and gives me a little hope for the future.

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joshdick writes to point out a NYTimes story on the decertification of Ciber Inc. from testing electronic voting systems. It will come as a surprise to no-one here on Slashdot that experts say the deficiencies of the laboratory suggest that crucial features like the vote-counting software and security against hacking may not have been thoroughly tested on many machines now in use. From the article: "A laboratory that has tested most of the nation's electronic voting systems has been temporarily barred from approving new machines after federal officials found that it was not following its quality-control procedures and could not document that it was conducting all the required tests... The federal Election Assistance Commission made this decision last summer, but the problem was not disclosed then... Ciber... says it is fixing its problems and expects to gain certification soon."


Now let's see what they're going to do about it.  Brush off their hands and say, "And that's the end of that chapter"?  Recall all voting machines and let independent testing sites try and break in (maybe Microsoft should follow that lead as well).  Or will this just be to quell the outcry for our votes to actually be counted correctly and have a paper trail...and let Diabold just go on its merry way.

For an excellent movie on the topic dl "Hacking Democracy".

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Reply #479 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 4:37pm
 
Those are pipe dreams, Stewie.  This will just be brushed under the rug.  They'll be recertified in no time flat.

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I know   Cry
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  Statement may allow gov't to open mail

RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
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Friday, January 5, 2007

A signing statement attached to postal legislation by President Bush last month may have opened the way for the government to open mail without a warrant. The White House denies any change in policy.

The law requires government agents to get warrants to open first-class letters. But when he signed the postal reform act, Bush added a statement saying that his administration would construe that provision "in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances."

"The signing statement raises serious questions whether he is authorizing opening of mail contrary to the Constitution and to laws enacted by Congress," said Ann Beeson, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. "What is the purpose of the signing statement if it isn't that?"

Beeson said the group is planning to file a request for information on how this exception will be used and to ask whether it has already been used to open mail.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said there was nothing new in the signing statement.

In his daily briefing Snow said: "All this is saying is that there are provisions at law for — in exigent circumstances — for such inspections. It has been thus. This is not a change in law, this is not new."

Postal Vice President Tom Day added: "As has been the long-standing practice, first-class mail is protected from unreasonable search and seizure when in postal custody. Nothing in the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act changes this protection. The president is not exerting any new authority."

Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), R-Maine, who guided the measure through the Senate, called on Bush to clarify his intent.

The bill, Collins said, "does nothing to alter the protections of privacy and civil liberties provided by the Constitution and other federal laws."

"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and our federal criminal rules require prior judicial approval before domestic sealed mail can be searched," she said.

Sen. Charles E. Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., criticized Bush's action.

"Every American wants foolproof protection against terrorism. But history has shown it can and should be done within the confines of the Constitution. This last-minute, irregular and unauthorized reinterpretation of a duly passed law is the exact type of maneuver that voters so resoundingly rejected in November," Schumer said.

The ACLU's Beeson noted that there has been an exception allowing postal inspectors to open items they believe might contain a bomb.

"His signing statement uses language that's broader than that exception," she said, and noted that Bush used the phrase "exigent circumstances."

"The question is what does that mean and why has he suddenly put this in writing if this isn't a change in policy," she said.

In addition to suspecting a bomb or getting a warrant, postal officials are allowed by law to open letters that can't be delivered as addressed — but only to determine if they can find a correct address or a return address.

Bush has issued at least 750 signing statements during his presidency, more than all other presidents combined, according to the American Bar Association.

Typically, presidents have used signing statements for such purposes as instructing executive agencies how to carry out new laws.

Bush's statements often reserve the right to revise, interpret or disregard laws on national security and constitutional grounds.

"That non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement," ABA President Michael Greco has said. The practice, he has added, "is harming the separation of powers."

The president's action was first reported by the New York Daily News.

The full signing statement said:

"The executive branch shall construe subsection 404(c) of title 39, as enacted by subsection 1010(e) of the act, which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection, in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.


Ahh signing statements...it's what the Constitution meant when they set up the President as emperor...right?

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Reply #482 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 1:07am
 
The War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200701/010407b.html
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Signaling a renewed emphasis on combating corruption at home and abroad, incoming Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), introduced a package of bills Thursday targeting corrupt officials and private companies seeking to defraud American taxpayers and troops.

“Americans want the culture of corruption to end.  From war profiteers and corrupt officials in Iraq, to convicted Administration officials, to influence-peddling lobbyists and, regrettably, even members of Congress, too many supposed public servants have been serving their own interests, rather than the public interest,” said Leahy. 
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Reply #483 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 4:09am
 
Although a signing statement takes care of that problem (eg the LAW) as well.

The power of the SIGNING STATEMENT!

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Reply #484 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 11:44am
 
All hail the power of the signing statement!  Huzzah!

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Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons, the SUNDAY TIMES of London is planning to report, British media sources tell DRUDGE... MORE...


Ha! knew if the US was going to do nothing, Israel was. The standard "who knows if this is true" applies, but hey, you cant just report this without an inkling of fact. Lets hope these supposed plans never become reality

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Obviously you've never heard of yellow journalism?!

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City Hall pushed to buy $1.5m system to track gunshots

By Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff  |  January 6, 2007

Boston city councilors, law enforcement officials, and community leaders are pressing City Hall to come up with $1.5 million to buy a promising acoustic gunshot-detection system.

The sensor system could blanket a 5.6-square-mile swath of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods -- the source of 80 to 85 percent of calls citywide reporting shots fired -- and give officers a jump on arresting suspects, improve police response time to 911 calls, and possibly reduce firearm violence, proponents say.

Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley said he believes the technology would help prosecutors win more gun cases and would require a "relatively modest investment," given the city's $2 billion annual budget.

"Police would be able to get the scene quickly and perhaps apprehend someone fleeing the scene, or identify someone who actually saw something," Conley said in an interview yesterday. "It would also corroborate witness testimony."

City Councilor Robert Consalvo , who first proposed that Boston look into the ShotSpotter technology last February, said Mayor Thomas M. Menino's budget director, Lisa Signori, is trying to find $1.5 million in the current or next fiscal year's budget to install the system and maintain it for four years.
Pop-up GLOBE GRAPHIC: Listening for safety

Dorothy Joyce, a spokeswoman for Menino, said the mayor is "interested in any type of technology that can let police officers do their jobs safely and more effectively." Joyce said Menino asked Signori to review whether the city could afford the system, and has asked new Police Commissioner Edward F. Davis for his advice.

The City Council's new president, Maureen E. Feeney, said she supports buying the system, and said Davis and Menino told her they are interested as well. "It's just now trying to figure out how we get to the point of purchasing this," she said.

Davis said he plans to make his recommendation to Menino within a month, after department officials study how the system is working in Chicago. "Any time we can use technology to reduce response times, or get us more focused on where crime is occurring, I think it's a tremendous benefit," the commissioner said in an interview yesterday.

Still, Davis said, he wants to carefully study whether the system is the best way to use the city's limited public safety resources. "Ultimately, you have to look at whether you're going to reduce shootings better with a police officer there or a piece of technology," he said.

Consalvo arranged for police commanders to test the system in August at the department firing range on Moon Island . Commanders decided the technology could be of great help by telling officers the exact location of a shooting within a few seconds, said Police Superintendent Robert Dunford, who supervises the department's patrol officers.

The system relies on a network of sensors, roughly the size of a coffee can, that by triangulating can locate gunfire from as far as 1 1/2 miles away within seconds, according to its manufacturer, ShotSpotter Inc., based in Santa Clara, Calif. It is so sensitive and sophisticated that it can isolate gunshots from other sounds, and can even distinguish between shots fired from different kinds of weapons, the company says.

Once the sensors confirm a gunshot, the system immediately notifies police dispatchers, who can then alert nearby officers.

Reports of gunshots, because of the way sound travels, can be wildly inaccurate as to their source, law enforcement officials say. Sometimes, they aren't anywhere near where callers say, or they aren't gunshots at all.

Boston finished last year with 74 homicides, 54 from gunshot wounds. The figure for 2005 was 75 slayings, a 10-year high, 51 of them with a firearm. The total number of shootings, however, increased last year over 2005 by more than 10 percent, to 377.

Police could not say yesterday how many of the shooting cases were solved, but said that of 610 cases involving shootings or brandishing a gun last year, 23 percent resulted in the arrest or identification of a suspect.
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Police would not say yesterday exactly where they would deploy the system, but based on the department's crime statistics, it is considered likely to cover parts of Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury, and the South End.

Davida Andelman , who lives on Clarkson Street in Dorchester, just yards away from where 14-year-old Jason Fernandes was shot to death on New Year's Day, said she hopes the city finds money to pay for the technology soon.

"It's a little disconcerting at quarter of six on New Year's Day morning to hear six gunshots," said Andelman, chairwoman of the Greater Bowdoin-Geneva Neighborhood Association. "This is happening far too often in our neighborhood."

Similar gunshot-detection systems are already being used by police in a number of US cities in addition to Chicago, including Minneapolis; Washington, D.C.; Los Angeles; Oakland, Calif.; Gary, Ind.; Charleston, S.C.; and Rochester, N.Y.

In an October incident in Washington, the technology led police to a suspect minutes after a man was gunned down while mowing a lawn.

And just hours after being activated in Minneapolis late last month, the system caught a suspect in a shooting that hadn't been reported to police. Minneapolis Police Lieutenant Gregory Reinhardt said the city's mayor has emphasized investments in police technology, a choice that he said is paying off.

"We've had four significant events captured," he said. "An officer-involved shooting, a homicide, an arrest of a convicted felon with a gun, and the recovery of another gun. That's in a 2-square mile area within 10, 12 days of each other."


I call BS on this system.  This will clearly be a snooping system.  Because gun shots are NOT like what they sound like in movies where a 9mm sounds like a Howitzer.  Most gun shots, considering the area, sounds just like a pop.  That would mean this spy system has to be tuned to listen to those sounds at such a low level.  So they could make it pick up sounds as soft as people talking.  Also, what about gunshots that happen in the home?  Will we put transmitters is all homes?  Also, who the frick is overlooking/overlistening to this system?  This system along with the cameras that are going up in most major cities is just the clear statement that the govt doesn't trust you...when, in fact, they are the ones not to be trusted!

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Reply #489 - Jan 8th, 2007 at 7:27pm
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/08/world/main2335451.shtml

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A U.S. Air Force gunship has conducted a strike against suspected members of al Qaeda in Somalia, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports exclusively.

The targets included the senior al Qaeda leader in East Africa and an al Qaeda operative wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings of two American embassies in Africa, Martin reports. Those terror attacks killed more than 200 people.

The AC-130 gunship is capable of firing thousands of rounds per second, and sources say a lot of bodies were seen on the ground after the strike, but there is as yet, no confirmation of the identities.
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What the?

Are we just going to fire indiscriminately on other countries?

Uhh look terrorists in CHINA!  FIRE!!!

Briney, did Somalia work with the US on this attack?

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I think the Dept of Defense and Bush have a game where they blindfold each other, and throw darts at a map of the world where they are going to bomb next.

I would definitely do that if i had the powa.
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I'm pretty sure the US had Somalian permission to conduct that strike.  Considering the nastiness that Somalia and Ethiopia just went through in the last two weeks, I'm sure this is simply an extension of that conflict.

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There will be 2 stories posted in this post...enjoy!  Angry

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Subpoena showndown looms for Duke Cunningham inquiry

A showdown is coming between the Democratic House leadership and the Justice Department on what information can be subpoenaed in a federal investigation, according to a report in today's edition of Roll Call.

At issue, as explained in the article by Susan Davis, are "privileged documents" amassed by various House Committees "that fall under the constitutional Speech or Debate Clause, which provides protection to Members of Congress." The Counsel of the House of Representatives appears to have worked to block the release of the documents, which were gathered as part of the House's own investigation of ex-Rep. Duke Cunningham, the California Republican who pleaded guilty in 2006 to accepting millions of dollars in bribes in the course of his work on the Appropriations Committee.


It's good to see that when congress wants to be tough on crime they create the PATRIOT ACT.  When it comes to their own however...they want to be a steal fortress where the government can't come after...the government....huh?  What's that word called again when you have people in power who abuse their power and are untouchable?  OH that's right...tyrannical!  Also what happen to Nancy's promise of "being the most ethical Congress ever"?  Did that go down the tubes with her "we WILL impeach Bush"?

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The dispute has been complicated by the change of power in the House, as the Justice Department's efforts began under Republican leadership. New Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) said "'he was open to cooperating as long as the investigation did not "step on the constitutional prerogatives of the House,'" according to Davis.


Like what?  How does the police investigate a congressman from taking bribes without looking into the political dealings of that person?  Geez...makes me wonder what would happen if the guy murdered someone.  All he'd have to do to stay out police hands would to just live in the capital.  Uhh no I can't talk now officer...my puppet master is making me right a bill.  Geez oh pete.

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Although it is a Republican ex-Congressman and his former staff caught up in the federal investigation, Obey may seek to protect the institutions and traditions of Congress, and pointed to former Speaker Dennis Hastert's protection of Democratic Rep. William Jefferson as an example.

The full text of the article can be accessed by subscribers at the Roll Call website. An excerpt is provided below.

One source off Capitol Hill said the San Diego U.S. attorney’s office had been working with the House Counsel’s office for about a year to negotiate a hand-over of committee documents. The source said the negotiations apparently had hit a wall, forcing the Justice Department to drop subpoenas last month. “The situation has stepped up significantly,” the source said.

The subpoena requests could trigger a series of legal maneuvers as the House seeks to protect what likely are a number of privileged documents that fall under the constitutional Speech or Debate Clause, which provides protection to Members of Congress.

Aides to both Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Friday that the House’s legal response was still unclear. If the House opts to fight the subpoenas in federal court, it could take months — if not longer — to resolve the issue.

The potential court battle could further postpone a broad investigation into Cunningham’s illegal activities while he served on both the Appropriations and Intelligence panels. Cunningham pleaded guilty in 2005 to accepting more than $2.4 million in bribes in exchange for favors. He currently is serving an eight-year prison sentence.


Meanwhile...the Congressman who had the $90,000 in freeze is still on an appropriations committee.  Yes and why don't we let the child molesters supervise the playground and give him a dark and secluded tool shed to boot?!

BTW the Speech or Debate Clause is this Quote:
The Speech or Debate Clause (found in Article I, Section 6, Clause 1) is a clause in the United States Constitution which states that members of both Houses of Congress
“ ...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same, and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place. ”

Its intended purpose is to prevent a President or other officials of the Executive branch from having members arrested on a pretext to prevent them from voting a certain way or otherwise taking actions with which he or she might disagree.


You can see why this doesn't apply at all to the cases at hand.  For one...the old member of Congress they are going after...is not going to vote anymore and therefore isn't protected under this clause at all.  The Second guy, "freezer money" committed a felony, if found guilty.  And that's where we love the word "except" in that little clause.  I understand the point of that Clause, people could hire people to stop people they didn't want to vote.  This is surely not the case here.  The DOJ isn't being hired by any body to stop others from voting...it's to stop them from taking BRIBES!!!

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/dobbs_w_fulfills_dads_dream_of_nwo.htm

Go Loud Dobbs!  I can't believe this is making mainstream news!  I don't understand is the NWO slipping?  They are letting people tell their plan!  Also, if I talk about the New World Order...I'm a conspiracy nut.  If these people talk about it they get Pulitzers and people believe them because they're on the talking box!

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Full Steam Ahead For "The Invasion" & The American Union
Government funded drug running cartels, secret illegal social security programs and Pesos for Pizzas. What happened to the United States of America?

Infowars.net | January 8, 2007
Steve Watson & Alex Jones

Recent disturbing incidents on the US/Mexico border, coupled with mainstream news reports concerning government aiding of illegal immigration serves to once again remind US citizens that the sovereign borders are systematically being broken down and the country is being quietly amalgamated into a Pan American Union.

Last week it was reported that a U.S. Border Patrol entry Identification Team site was overrun by a team of armed Mexicans Wednesday night along Arizona's border with Mexico, somewhere along the 120 mile section of the border between Nogales and Lukeville, an area known for being a drug corridor.

The guard were forced to flee as troops are not allowed to apprehend illegal entrants and do not carry armed weapons.


And just think...Bush is the conservative President with conservative principles.  That's why he sent those 6,000 troops to the boarder...and paid them to be old men on porches who sit and watch!  Also what would you call a group of foreigners who come across the boarder illegally and attack members of the military?  Wouldn't you call it provocations for war?  If Bush is so trigger happy to go to war...then why not go after Mexico.  If people start chanting Bring Back Our Troops.  He can give them a vacation in Texas and California.

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"We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion?" said Rob Daniels, Border Patrol Tucson Sector spokesman. "We just don't know and that's why everything's got to be looked into."

Imagine if muslims or Arabs were caught shooting at national guard and overrunning them, we would never hear the end of it. This incident however, is the latest in a long line of stories that barely reach the footnotes of the local nightly news.

In late 2005 there were dozens of American citizens kidnapped over the Texas border and taken down to Mexico and held. This was kept very quiet. There was a huge stand off, some were killed. 800+ US citizens were killed on the Texas border in 2005, hundreds more were killed in 2006.

There are over a million illegal aliens, conservatively, in Houston alone. There have been multiple car bombings there, and in Dallas, which have quietly been attributed to illegals and forgotten about.

We have previously covered multiple instances of armed Mexican troops straying over the borders and even firing at and killing federal officers .

Last month CNS news reported that Texas sheriffs and lawmakers are routinely threatened, fired upon and overrun by US TRAINED gun-toting members of the Mexican military, crossing regularly into U.S. territory, where they are partnering with drug cartels and criminal gangs to protect sophisticated smuggling operations.

We have also exposed how illegal immigration is being used by drug commando organizations such as Los Zetas (pictured) to gain unrestricted passage into the US.

Former DEA agents have come forth declaring that such groups, admittedly trained by the US Government are being used as front groups for CIA and government controlled narcotics operations. To shut down illegal immigration and strengthen the borders would go some way to prevent such lucrative activities, therefore it's a government no-no.

The open plan to merge the US with Mexico and Canada and create a Pan American Union has long been a Globalist brainchild but its very real and prescient implementation on behalf of the Council on Foreign Relations has finally also been reported on by mainstream news outlets.

The Union is the globalist cabal's meal ticket towards raping an entire continent of its resources and sovereign capabilities. Strengthening the borders is not on the Agenda here, the American Union is all about DISSOLVING the borders.

The framework on which the American Union is being pegged is the NAFTA Super Highway, a four football-fields-wide leviathan that stretches from southern Mexico through the US up to Montreal Canada. Toll roads are to be placed upon existing roads in Security Prosperity Partnership agreements that bypasses Congress, agreements between the bureaucracies of the US and Mexican governments, to raise capital to build the Super highway that will go South of Texas and into Mexico.

Coupled with Bush's blanket amnesty program , which the Democrats in congress are set to approve this week as their first order of business, the Pan American Union is the final jigsaw piece for the total dismantling of America as we know it.

We have also seen in the past how "immigration control efforts" such as Real ID , boosting troops on the borders and building fences are simply smoke and mirrors behind which lie methods of control, outrageous elitist profiteering and the destruction of freedom.

The truth is that immigration is too profitable for the elite, both in the US and in Mexico, to put a stop to it. In late December 2005, Mexican President Vicente Fox hired a GOP lobbying firm to sweeten political sentiment in the US towards Mexicans and the immigration issue.

The Mexican government is now even giving illegals hand-held satellite navigation devices in order to facilitate their safe journey across the desert.

In light of all this it is also disturbing to read that the US government has been SECRETLY paving the way for the funneling of billions of Social Security funds to illegal Mexican immigrants. As a result of lawsuits, the U.S. government last week released the actual U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement , an understanding signed between the Bush administration and the Mexican government in 2004.

This is not the first time the Bush administration has moved to aid the benefits of Mexicans illegally working working in the US. In 2005, the New York Times reported that the Bush administration had initiated a program to start paying hospitals and doctors for providing emergency care to illegal immigrants. Members of Congress from border states had sought the money, totaling $1 Billion. They said treatment of illegal immigrants imposed a huge financial burden on many hospitals, which are required to provide emergency care to patients who need it, regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay. The administration had previously abandoned a proposal that would have required many hospitals to ask patients if they were U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.

Add to this previous mainstream reports of banks and lenders opening their doors to illegal immigrants, facilitated by government agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. As reported in the Wall Street Journal , the FDIC is encouraging banks to lend and invest in undeserved markets regardless of customers' immigration status.

The US armed forces has also seen an influx of foreign troops, an average of 20% of ground troops in Iraq are now non citizens, this is set to rise to 50% over the next year with foreign recruitment stations facilitating the supply.

Think about this, non-US citizens wearing the uniform of American soldiers, stationed at home and abroad.

Today the Dallas Morning News reported that patrons of the Dallas-based Pizza Patrón chain, which caters heavily to Latinos, will be able to purchase American pizzas with Mexican pesos. What kind of twilight zone have we entered here? Yeah forget the dollar, it's basically dead now anyway - lets just use the Peso as the national currency.

Social Security, roads, military, intelligence gathering, regulations, federal agencies - all within the US, Canada and Mexico are being merged into one system at the cost of national sovereignty and the common law.

We are talking about an advanced empire state with a class based multicultural chowder bowl for a population, something has to give somewhere. The Soviet Union and The former Yugoslavia are telling examples of what happens when many cultures are played off against one another and asked to coexist within one country. Most recently this cultural phenomenon has been evident in France which seems to be on the same track of self-destruction with its massive non-assimilating 2nd generation Muslim population.

This cultural rift is already overwhelmingly evident in the US. We have previously covered the Nightmare Racism and Open Call for Revolution from groups such as the Atzlan reconquista movement, MEChA and La Raza who call their American based radio stations "the Invasion". Such groups have no desire to respect US culture and wish for nothing more than the US to be broken up . Of course these groups are minority movements, yet their reach evidently becomes increasingly appealing to proud Mexicans when the President tells them they can come to the US and do awful jobs because they are less worthy than Americans.

Social, political and economic forces are pulling America apart and driving her toward a bloody conflict that may fracture the nation into several different countries. Bush's rhetoric of allowing a legal force of underling workers that will do the dirty work for America sounds like a direct avocation of a creation of a massive underclass of illegal, Third World, uneducated and poor slaves.

This only serves to benefit one section of society, the elite.


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BANGOR - In 10 days, Bangor will become the first city in Maine, perhaps in the nation, to ban adults from smoking in any motor vehicle when children are present.

In a 6-3 vote Monday night, the Bangor City Council approved a measure that prohibits any driver or passenger from lighting up a cigarette or other smoking material in a motor vehicle if anyone under age 18 is in the vehicle. Violators of the new city ordinance can be fined $50. The law applies to any motor vehicle on any public road within the city limits.

In a move that surprised the measure's supporters, the council endorsed an amendment from Councilor Patricia Blanchette that changes a violation of the ban from a secondary offense to a primary offense. That means police can stop a vehicle carrying children if smoking in the vehicle is observed. As originally drafted, police would have to stop the vehicle for some other reason, such as speeding.

Blanchette, a smoker herself, spoke forcefully against passing a lackluster measure that might lack enforceability or "teeth."

"A secondary offense is not worth the paper it's written on," she told fellow council members. People who smoke with a child present in the confined space of a car or truck might as well be deliberately trying to kill that child, she said. "Let's step up to the plate and lead; our children are worth the fight," she said.

Several area residents spoke in favor of the original measure, including several medical professionals.

Pediatric dentist Jonathan Shenkin, a primary drafter of the proposal, told the council that measures to ban smoking in restaurants, bars and workplaces protect adults from unwanted exposure to secondhand smoke, but that children are not protected by these laws. He cited a recent study from the Harvard School of Public Health and report from the office of the U.S. surgeon general showing that children are now at the highest risk of health complications from exposure to other people’s smoking materials and that passenger vehicles are a significant source of this exposure. He argued that the city’s leadership on this issue would encourage other municipalities, and perhaps the Legislature, to adopt similar measures.

Pediatrician Robert Holmberg said the evidence is "incontrovertible" that exposure to cigarette smoke causes medical disorders in children, including asthma, bronchitis, ear infections and heart disease.

"Children are the most in need of the protection by public policy, because they can't protect themselves," he said.

Holmberg told the council the cost of providing health care to children exposed to secondhand smoke is "astronomical."

Other supporters included representatives from the Bangor Region Chamber of Commerce and the Fusion Bangor development group, who argued that the ordinance would demonstrate the city’s dedication to children, families and a healthy work force.

Shawn Yardley of the city's Department of Health and Welfare said the ordinance would help attract state, federal and private foundation grant dollars to promote public health initiatives.

The measure had some detractors at Monday's meeting. Aaron Prill of Bangor said the ordinance was a "feel-good option" that was not intended to protect children but to "moralize" against smokers. Most smokers have enough common sense not to smoke around children, he said.

Children are exposed to more smoke in their homes than in cars, said Eugene Savoy of Davis Road in Bangor. His wife, Denise Savoy, said the council should allow residents to vote on the measure.

Council members debated at length before taking the final vote. Councilor Susan Hawes said police should devote their energies to more important issues, and that there's already too much government intervention in residents' lives. Councilor Anne Allen stressed the importance of developing a strong educational campaign to enhance the new law. Councilor Gerry Palmer said he was willing to go out on a limb and pass a measure that might draw criticism but had the potential to serve the public interest. Councilor Geoffery Gratwick urged the council to show leadership and set an example for the rest of the state.

The measure passed, with Councilors Susan Hawes, Frank Farrington and Peter D'Errico voting against it.

Similar statewide measures have been adopted in Arkansas and Louisiana and are under consideration in several other states.



Wow.  They've finally passed a law which bans smoking in cars when children are present.  Although I wholeheartedly agree that it is poor behavior for adults to smoke in a car with kids present, this law is absolutely ludicrous.  In principle, it sounds great, but in reality it is just more "big brother."  This is one more law the government can expand to keep the courts in business.

If you visit Bangor, Maine, make sure you don't smoke in your own car if you have kids.  While you're at it, if you visit NYC, don't get caught with contraband black market french fries.  We won't bring up the concept of responsibility - government will do that FOR us.  Thanks big brother!

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So can officers search your vehicle if they "smell" smoke?  Or for that matter...french fries?

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If this ruling doesn’t truly discredit the Supreme Court as just another rubber stamp I don’t know what will. The ruling is in reference to Gilmore v. Gonzales, 06-211, in which millionaire Libertarian Activist John Gilmore (co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation) attempted to force the the federal government to disclose the actual law that requires people traveling by air to either show ID or submit to a more thorough search when passing through airport security.

The justices, by letting the appeals court ruling against Gilmore stand, have legitimized the use of “secret laws” against the citizens of the United States. This means you are now responsible for abiding by laws that are not published, and even classified in some cases.

I have asked before and I will ask again. When will people say enough is enough? What happens when people start getting arrested for breaking secret laws, and then find themselves in secret courts. Oh, wait, that has already been approved by the Military Commissions Act.

This ruling marks yet another blow against personal liberty and freedom, and a giant step towards totalitarianism in America. I just hope people start waking up to this soon, before it’s too late.


Anyone who has taken Law 101 will know that a law is always unjust if it is not known by the populace that is under it.  Therefore, what the US Supreme Court is saying is that anyone with power can make any secret law they want that has to be followed by the people under it.  For example, the Congress makes a secret law that states that you must wear blue socks with your Molec is lord t-shirt every Friday.  If you don't...you go to a nice "internment camp" for 25 years.  Under this SC ruling...you can go to the IC for 25 years.  I'm sorry but this is just wrong and not only that is treasonous to the principles of America...but also to the Law.


Also check out this nice write up about the upcoming 24 season.  I liked the first 2 seasons...but now I watch it just to get mad at it and see what they're trying to say behind the lines.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/january2007/090107TwentyFour.htm

Last season they had a 9/11 widow on champion the show for its use of torture of a possible terrorist....this was during a commercial break.  And she said something to the affect of "I wish the govt had these types of policies before terrorists took my husband out in the 9/11 attacks".  If you haven't studies history...this is called PROPAGANDA!

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A wiki about a controversial prescription drug has been ordered by a US court to remove a link to documents which originated with Eli Lilly, the drug's manufacturer.

The drug, Zyprexa, has been the subject of payouts by Eli Lilly in cases over its alleged side effects. The pharmaceutical company still faces a large number of product liability lawsuits which claim that the schizophrenia and bipolar disorder treatment has caused patients to gain weight or to contract diabetes. Eli Lilly has already paid out $1.2bn to settle suits before they reached court, including $500m just last week.

A wiki about the controversy, zyprexa.pbwiki.com, published a link to internal Eli Lilly documents which the New York Times said showed that the company deliberately downplayed the side effects of the drug, which are alleged to include weight gain, high blood sugar levels and diabetes.

The judge in one of the product liability cases, federal district Judge Jack Weinstein, ordered the site and a number of named individuals to refrain from distributing the documents or causing them to be distributed.

Digital rights group the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) defended the free speech rights of one anonymous poster in front of Weinstein but the judge has reiterated his earlier decision. He will hear further arguments on 16th January.

The EFF argued that the ruling breached the individual's rights to free speech, enshrined in the first amendment of the US Constitution. The case is one of the first to involve citizen journalists and new online developments such as wikis in such a serious case.

"Preventing a citizen-journalist from posting links to important health information on a public wiki violates the first amendment," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Fred von Lohmann. "Eli Lilly's efforts to censor these documents off the internet are particularly outrageous in light of the information reported by The New York Times, which suggests that doctors and patients who use Zyprexa need to know the information contained in those documents."

"The following individuals, entities and organisations who have received documents produced by Eli Lilly and Company are hereby enjoined from further disseminating these documents," said Weinstein's ruling. He goes on to name 13 individuals, at least four of them doctors, and four websites, including the Zyprexa wiki.

Wikis have exploded in popularity after the success of Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia. A wiki is an online store of information which readers can amend, edit, expand and update. Conceived as collaborative tools, wikis gain their authority from the combined expertise of readers and activists rather than purely from the qualifications and expertise of a team of professional authors and editors.


Now where did I put my First Amendment?!

Hmm let's see.

Zyprexa is a drug that kills.  I know of no one who has taken it who has lived to tell the tale.  Zyprexa is made by a company whose CEO are into money pedophilia.  They are also known to worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster in the sky.  Spaghetti also causes tentacles to grow from one eye sockets.  Zyprexa turns your sex organs inside out (or right side in) and turns your nipples into 1924 silver dollars.  Zyprexa slows your heart beat by turning into a Big Mac.  It turns your brain matter green and hot pink which causes you to not to be able to say ANYTHING BAD IN AMERICA ANYMORE!!!

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THE USA GOVERNMENT'S cryptologic organisation, the National Security Agency, has admitted that it is behind some of the security changes to Microsoft's operating system Vista.

According to the Washington Post , the agency which was once so secret that it was jokingly referred to as 'No such Agency' has admitted making 'unspecified contributions' to Vista.

Tony Sager, the NSA's chief of vulnerability analysis and operations group, told the Post that it was the agency's intention to help everyone these days.

The NSA used a red and a blue team to pull apart the software. The red team posed as "the determined, technically competent adversary" to disrupt, corrupt or steal information. The Blue team helped Defense Department system administrators with Vista's configuration.

Vole said that it has sought help from the NSA over the last four years. Apparently its skills can be seen in the Windows XP consumer version and the Windows Server 2003 for corporate customers.

The assistance is at the US taxpayers' expense, although the NSA says it all makes perfect sense. Not only is the NSA protecting United States business, its own Defense Department uses VoleWare so it is in the government's interest to make sure it is as secure as possible.

Microsoft is not the only one to tap the spooks. Apple, with its Mac OSX operating system, and Novell with its SUSE Linux also asked the NSA what it thought of their products. The NSA is quite good at finding weapons of mass destruction that are not there.


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A distinguished British historian claims he was knocked to the ground by an American policeman before being arrested and spending eight hours in jail — because he crossed the road in the wrong place.

Felipe Fernandez-Armesto said he had been the victim of "terrible, terrible violence" after he inadvertently committed the offence of "jaywalking" in Atlanta, Georgia, last week and failed to realise the man telling him to stop was an officer.

The slight, bespectacled professor claimed that five burly officers pinned him to the ground after Kevin Leonpacher kicked his legs from under him as he hesitated to show his ID.

He was left "traumatised and disorientated" and with a gashed forehead as he was taken to the local jail and charged with pedestrian failure to obey a police officer and physical obstruction of police.

The academic, professor of global environmental history at Queen Mary College, University of London, and a member of Oxford University's modern history faculty, said he had been subjected to "very humiliating procedures" and even had his box of peppermints confiscated.

The 56-year-old appeared in court the next day, "tortured" by the fear of getting a criminal record that would wreck his chances of getting a green card allowing him to work in America. But prosecutors dropped the charges.

Atlanta's police chief ordered an inquiry after the mayor raised the incident.

Prof Fernandez-Armesto, who is also a member of the history department at Tufts University, Massachusetts, was in Atlanta for the convention of the American Historical Association. He said he was crossing the road and became aware of a "rather intrusive young man shouting at me telling me that I shouldn't have crossed the road there".

Because he was wearing a "rather louche" bomber jacket that covered his uniform, the professor did not realise he was a policeman.

"I thanked him for his advice and went on," said the professor. When Officer Leonpacher tried to stop him and demanded to see identification, the professor asked to see his, which he "didn't take kindly to". "He said 'I am going to arrest you'," Prof Fernandez-Armesto said. "In the culture I come from this wouldn't mean that the conversation was over.

"Nor would it mean that you were about to be subjected to terrible, terrible violence. This young man kicked my legs from under me, wrenched me round in what I think is a sort of a judo move, pinned me to the ground, wrenched my arms behind my back and handcuffed me.

"Naturally I was bridling at this moment and he called his colleagues to his assistance. I had five burly policemen pinioning me to the ground, pressing my neck with really very severe pain. I'm a mass of contusions and grazes.

"I was traumatised, disorientated, my conference programme was in the gutter and I was begging them to give it back to me and to give me my spectacles back," he said. "I still find it incredible that an ageing, mild-mannered professor of impeccable antecedent, should be the subject of such abominable treatment."

The professor, who has written books on the Americas and global exploration, was handcuffed to another suspected criminal in a "filthy, foetid paddy wagon" to be transported to jail and had his fingerprints and mugshot taken. With his bail set at £720 but with no way to get the cash, Prof Fernandez-Armesto remained incarcerated, until he eventually got out with the help of a professional bail agent.

In court the following day he explained to the judge and charges were dropped.

Officer Leonpacher denied that he overreacted, saying the historian repeatedly refused to co-operate. The 28-year-old told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: "I used an excessive amount of discretion."

Atlanta's mayor, Shirley Franklin, said: "We want everyone who visits Atlanta to find Atlanta to be friendly and helpful."

The professor said he had no plans to sue, adding: "It was actually a fantastic experience going into that detention centre and spending time with those miserable wretches of the earth. I feel I've learnt more than I would have in important sessions of the Historical Association."


Remember when you thought I was joking that the Patriot Act labels all crime as terrorism...even jay-walking....TA DAAAA!!!  This is the revolution of the police against the citizenry of a great nation.  This is fear and true terrorism.  Yes jaywalking is illegal but everywhere it is a ticket offense and you CANNOT be arrest unless you assault a police officer or what not.  So have fun police...you are now the terrorists.

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The only reason why that guy got off the hook is because he was relatively famous, wealthy, and powerful.  Had that happened to you or I, we'd be cooling our heels in a cell block at this very hour.

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Ron Paul's office has confirmed reports that the Texas Congressman is set to run for the 2008 Presidency. Paul unites opposition to the war and the police state at home across the entire political spectrum and in contrast to the current gaggle of criminals running the White House, represents everything that America truly stands for. A gargantuan effort in support of Ron Paul needs to be mobilized now to prevent Americans from being hoodwinked once again into electing a different puppet of the same dark establishment in 2008.

Paul first ran for President as the Libertarian candidate in 1988, receiving a massive 400,000 votes. He now commands the support of those all across the political spectrum, from libertarians through anti-war Democrats to real paleoconservative Republicans.

Paul has been in and out of Congress since the 70's and is universally hated by the Republican elite, who routinely back Democrats against him just to try and get him out of office. The former Vietnam flight surgeon is the perfect candidate for President and activists from every corner of every political persuasion should mobilize now in an attempt to help Paul shatter the power monopoly of the Republican and Democrat establishment who have worked together for decades to slit America's throat in the interests of power, greed, and ego - all working towards the realization of a new world order.

The Texan represents a dying breed in Congress, those who actually cast their votes in accordance with the Constitution and not at the discretion of lobbyists or the fear that the elite will tarnish their political careers if they don't continually support the establishment. As a result Ron Paul is the elite's worse nightmare, simply having him on the ticket itself will be a massive public relations blow, and that's why media organs will probably be activated to try and discredit him before 2008.

Paul was one of only a handful of Republicans to vote against the illegal invasion of Iraq, contenting rightly that the Constitution clearly states that only Congress can declare war. In bucking a trend, Paul was anti-war long before the majority of the country came around to a similar way of thinking following the catastrophe of the occupation.

While Democrats soft-peddle and cozy up to Bush, creating phony arguments about the level of troop presence in Iraq and ignoring the majority will of the country to bring the troops home immediately, Ron Paul's opposition to unnecessary wars of intervention has remained steadfast throughout his entire political career.

If a gargantuan effort is made from now until the end of 2008 to heighten Paul's media profile and forward him as America's last hope, he truly has a significant chance of giving Jeb Bush, Rudy Giuliani or whichever elitist puppet the Republicans choose to put forward a real run for their money.

At the very least it's a chance to attract attention to some serious issues and hold the establishment's feet to the fire. But with the favor of the political landscape continually swinging away from the scam repeatedly run by the Republicrats and Democans, we should really start off on a positive footing and consider the fact that Ron Paul, though still an underdog, has a real chance of becoming the next President.

According to the Associated Press , "Paul bills himself as "The Taxpayers' Best Friend," and is routinely ranked either first or second in the House by the National Taxpayers Union, a national group advocating low taxes and limited government."

On every single issue of national importance - borders, the war, limited government, U.S. sovereignty, tax and the federal reserve - Ron Paul stands for populist ideals that the country is screaming out for after seven years of hell under Bush, preceded by eight years of disgrace under Bill Clinton.

Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, opposes the draft, advocates the abolition of the income tax, urges the re-introduction of the gold standard, and stands against initiatives to strip the U.S. of its sovereignty such as CAFTA and the FTAA.

During several appearances on The Alex Jones Show , Ron Paul has consistently upheld his commitment to civil liberties, slammed the militarized police state that Bush has created and also called for immediate impeachment proceedings to be brought against the current incumbent of the White House.

President Ron Paul could truly return America to the great nation it once was and his decision to run is an exciting development that we should all embrace and stand beside him in the fight to restore some form of dignity to the office of President that has been completely absent since the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963.

"Congressman Ron Paul is a dream candidate, a super patriot, a total Constitutionalist, an American hero."

"We must elect him President."
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http://player.clipsyndicate.com/player/play_clip/74271?wpid=47&cpt=8

Watch out!!!  It's a black student!!  Cop pulls his gun out not once but twice on the kid.  The second time all he does was push him...but not the first time...

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There isn't really any way to tell what preceded the first scene.  The second scene, however, seemed totally justified to me.  If you push a police officer to the ground, you should fully expect to see the barrel of firearm up close and personal.

Anyone carrying a firearm (whether they are police, military, or civilian) cannot afford to get into a wrestling match, especially if they are carrying openly.  It doesn't take much to relieve an officer of their service pistol once you've got them pinned to the ground.

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Actually the second one is not justified.  Police use what is called The Force Continuum.  It is very strick as to what an officer can use in certain situations.  If you look at the video you notice that the student pushes the officer to the floor and backs away into a hallway.  A hallway full of people...what if the officer had fired and missed or the bullet went through the guy.  He'd be on every news channel from here to Timbucktoo.  This officer probably has mace and a taser as well.  Trust me...officers are not weary about firing their tasters...esp in schools at students.

Also in the second one...I think we can assume that the officer had control of the student since he was pushed up against a wall by the scruff of his neck.  The officer would have better control over the student if he would have used two hands to maintain control.  We know this student didn't have a gun or weapon because there were a group of students around looking on at a fight.  If he did have a weapon those students would still be running.  Also we would have heard nothing about it.  Oh what?  The shooter was black oh that's old news.  That happens all the time in NY and CA.

Here's an new article.

http://www.wptv.com/News/011207_StudentStrangledbyAssistantPrincipal.cfm

I have to say...we are so concerned with child molesters and Catholic priests right?  Well how come we are not as strict on schools that assault their students and basically statutorily rape them.  Yes the students are usually guys and the teachers are female.  Is it because these are govt institutions who are basically protected from the bad press?  Priest who molest and child molesters are bad...but when ok looking teachers have sex with underage students (who btw are also considered child molesters and carries a higher sentences because they are in places of trust) is somewhat just a fantasy fulfillment for boys.

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Iran has demanded the immediate release of five of its citizens held in a US military raid in northern Iraq, who it says are diplomats.

The US says the detainees arrested on Thursday in Irbil are linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards which they say trains and arms insurgents in Iraq.

But Iran's foreign ministry says they were "involved in consulate affairs".

Iran also demanded compensation for damage to the Iranian liaison office where the men were seized.



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Or march 12 guys into Alaska.  How big is Iran's military?  I know they have some high powered weapons to knock out some of our carriers and other ships.

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Either that, or some sort of "dirty bomb" will be set off in a major US city.

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Your dictatorial British govt is at work again...with more tyranny than ever before!!!

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MOTORBIKE enthusiasts Tania and Dave Winterburn have hit out at “big brother” proposals to monitor bikers and force them to cut their speed.

The couple, who own a Leamington motorbike accessory shop and have been keen riders for 30 years, say government plans for new compulsory devices that can track individual bikers are “farcical”.

Ministers are exploring the introduction of the devices - expected to cost hundreds of pounds - which automatically cut the throttle on motor-bikes to bring them within the speed limit.

Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), the devices will also be able to track bikers’ journeys and store data about each motorbike’s speed.

If further trials are successful, the devices could be brought in for cars and other vehicles in an attempt to drastically cut the death toll on the country’s roads.

However Tania, co-owner of Motorcycle World in Union Street, Leamington, said: “We have been bikers for more years than we care to mention and we have found that bikers are all lawabiding citizens who agree with riding sensibly.

“Everyone knows that there are young kids getting on bikes and speeding and going too fast but bringing this in is going too far.

“It is worrying that someone will be able to track you and control your speed. It is big brother.”

Tania, of Fosse Way, Radford Semele, said shops selling motorcycle equipment would also suffer if the compulsory devices - similar to satellite navigation systems - were introduced.

She said: “Will the riders be forced to pay for this? If the government is bringing in the devices the manufacturers should pay for them.”

The devices have already been tested at the Motorcycle Industry Research Association (MIRA) in Watling Street, Nuneaton, amid proposals to introduce them on new bikes and cars.

Tom Warterer, technical director of the Motorcycle Industry Association, based in Eaton Road, Coventry, has been involved in research into the ISA devices in motorbikes and cars.

He said experiments had been carried out using a buzzer in a helmet or a vibrating seat which is triggered when a signal from a roadside beacon detects the rider is breaking the speed limit.

More controversial proposals include fitting devices that control the motorbike’s speed.


What would happen if the biker had to get away from a drunk driver by increasing his speed?  What would happen if the biker had to get away from terrorists who were trying to kidnap him?  There are reasons why cars and other vehicles go over the 70 MPH max that most countries have....well except for Canada...they make you drive 40 MPH on the highway!!!

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Reply #511 - Jan 16th, 2007 at 4:42pm
 
I was debating whether or not to post this:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosqu...

It's UK Channel 4 documentary Dispatches: Undercover Mosque, exposing evidence of Islamic supremacism, shocking misogyny, and support for violence at a number of Britain’s leading mosques and Muslim institutions.

It's pretty scary and while I'm not posting this as to say that all Muslims think this.  I would question whether or not the same things are being taught here as well.  Because you have to remember, whereas Christian fundamentalist are "closed minded" to anything outside the Bible they still practice love for non-believers and sinner.  Whereas, in what I found to be startling, these Islamic fundamentalists who are supposedly the mainstream in Britian are completely opposite.  I think this adds further proof as to which Faith is correct and which religion is false.

Again, I want to warn people that this isn't posted to be hateful towards Muslims.  Most of the time the globalists use these same people to carry out their bidding.  This is for informative purposes and not for hateful attitudes.

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I read an article about this a couple days back.  It was quite insightful but - sadly - not entirely unexpected.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/01/18/china.missile/index.html

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im sure you guys saw this, but at least you know now how the Chinese invasion of the US will go! We are gonna lose military satellites... hooray! Maybe they'll take down enough gps satellites as well!
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Dupe!

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates is submitting to Congress a manual for trials of detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay that would allow the admission of hearsay evidence and coerced testimony, a Pentagon official told reporters Thursday.

The manual was drafted to comply with a law passed last year that restored the Bush administration's military commissions created to try terrorist suspects.

The Supreme Court had struck down the commissions as unconstitutional. (Watch a detainee's family tell about his letter home Video)

The procedures outlined in the manual "will ensure that unlawful enemy combatants suspected of war crimes and certain other offenses are prosecuted before regularly constituted courts affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized people," said Principal Deputy General Counsel Dan Dell'Orto.

Dell'Orto called the manual "the most comprehensive legal framework for the prosecution of war criminals in U.S. history."

The rights of the accused are "very much the same" as those in a court-martial, he said.

About 400 detainees are being held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Dell'Orto said the manual calls for the accused to be presumed innocent and requires that convictions be based on guilt proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Independent counsel will "represent defendants zealously and protect against even the appearance of unlawful influence" in a jury system comparable to that used by general courts-martial, he said.

Defendants are further to be provided with evidence before its admission in court, he said.

Admission of classified evidence outside the presence of the accused is prohibited, he said.

In addition, the accused must be granted "a reasonable opportunity" to obtain evidence and witnesses," and are granted the right to protection against self-incrimination, he said.

Anyone found guilty has the right to appeal, first to a court of military commission review, then to the Circuit Court of the District of Columbia and finally to the Supreme Court of the United States, he said.

The statute provides for the admissibility of hearsay evidence, an issue of contention among defense lawyers. Dell'Orto said the admission of such evidence should not necessarily weigh against defendants, since they, too, can enter such evidence, which thereby "levels the playing field, if you will."

And both sides can attack the credibility of witnesses, he said.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Hemingway, a legal adviser to the Office of Military Commissions, told reporters that the manual provides for a "clear prohibition of evidence obtained by torture" if it was obtained after December 30, 2005.

But if it was obtained before that time, and if the judge determines that it is reliable, it may be admitted, he said.

No evidence -- not even classified evidence -- will be admissible that the accused has not seen, but the manual lays out procedures under which the government could ask the judge to rule on whether "certain matters should be redacted," or summarized or replaced with substitute evidence, Hemingway said.

Dell'Orto predicted that, with the manual's completion, cases "will be moving forward soon."

The cases of 14 "high-value" detainees "will take some time because they are extremely complex," he said.

Of the nearly 400 detainees, 60 to 80 are facing potential charges for violations of the law of war, he added.


Ummm ya know what government?  ya know what I heard?  I heard that President Bush was umm the love child of Condi Rice and Dick Cheny and that Bin Ladden is actually Bush's brother and that Jason Briney had something to do with 9-11.  I mean look at him with his mightier than thou penis sculptor and always taking about conspiracies like some...some nut job!  Now beat him up!!!

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Meh, didn't see it.  I see the huge block of quoted text and move on.

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You mean you don't read all the stories I post to inform you guys what's going on?   Cry

You know under Section 806 of the Patriot Act that means you're with Al Qaeda!

Any whoo...

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

Can anyone tell from this new "law" whether or not they mean 500 viewers a day or overall or what?  Cause if it's over all I need to go to the detention camp now cause I'll have my balls hammered on a hot heating grate long before I comply with this!

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FBI turns to broad new wiretap method The FBI appears to have adopted an invasive Internet surveillance technique that collects far more data on innocent Americans than previously has been disclosed.

Instead of recording only what a particular suspect is doing, agents conducting investigations appear to be assembling the activities of thousands of Internet users at a time into massive databases, according to current and former officials. That database can subsequently be queried for names, e-mail addresses or keywords.

Such a technique is broader and potentially more intrusive than the FBI's Carnivore surveillance system, later renamed DCS1000. It raises concerns similar to those stirred by widespread Internet monitoring that the National Security Agency is said to have done, according to documents that have surfaced in one federal lawsuit, and may stretch the bounds of what's legally permissible.

Call it the vacuum-cleaner approach. It's employed when police have obtained a court order and an Internet service provider can't "isolate the particular person or IP address" because of technical constraints, says Paul Ohm, a former trial attorney at the Justice Department's Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section. (An Internet Protocol address is a series of digits that can identify an individual computer.)

That kind of full-pipe surveillance can record all Internet traffic, including Web browsing--or, optionally, only certain subsets such as all e-mail messages flowing through the network. Interception typically takes place inside an Internet provider's network at the junction point of a router or network switch.

The technique came to light at the Search & Seizure in the Digital Age symposium held at Stanford University's law school on Friday. Ohm, who is now a law professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and Richard Downing, a CCIPS assistant deputy chief, discussed it during the symposium.

In a telephone conversation afterward, Ohm said that full-pipe recording has become federal agents' default method for Internet surveillance. "You collect wherever you can on the (network) segment," he said. "If it happens to be the segment that has a lot of IP addresses, you don't throw away the other IP addresses. You do that after the fact."

"You intercept first and you use whatever filtering, data mining to get at the information about the person you're trying to monitor," he added.

On Monday, a Justice Department representative would not immediately answer questions about this kind of surveillance technique.

"What they're doing is even worse than Carnivore," said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who attended the Stanford event. "What they're doing is intercepting everyone and then choosing their targets."

When the FBI announced two years ago it had abandoned Carnivore, news reports said that the bureau would increasingly rely on Internet providers to conduct the surveillance and reimburse them for costs. While Carnivore was the subject of congressional scrutiny and outside audits, the FBI's current Internet eavesdropping techniques have received little attention.

Carnivore apparently did not perform full-pipe recording. A technical report (PDF: "Independent Technical Review of the Carnivore System") from December 2000 prepared for the Justice Department said that Carnivore "accumulates no data other than that which passes its filters" and that it saves packets "for later analysis only after they are positively linked by the filter settings to a target."

One reason why the full-pipe technique raises novel legal questions is that under federal law, the FBI must perform what's called "minimization."

Federal law says that agents must "minimize the interception of communications not otherwise subject to interception" and keep the supervising judge informed of what's happening. Minimization is designed to provide at least a modicum of privacy by limiting police eavesdropping on innocuous conversations.

Prosecutors routinely hold presurveillance "minimization meetings" with investigators to discuss ground rules. Common investigatory rules permit agents to listen in on a phone call for two minutes at a time, with at least one minute elapsing between the spot-monitoring sessions.

That section of federal law mentions only real-time interception--and does not explicitly authorize the creation of a database with information on thousands of innocent targets.

But a nearby sentence adds: "In the event the intercepted communication is in a code or foreign language, and an expert in that foreign language or code is not reasonably available during the interception period, minimization may be accomplished as soon as practicable after such interception."

Downing, the assistant deputy chief at the Justice Department's computer crime section, pointed to that language on Friday. Because digital communications amount to a foreign language or code, he said, federal agents are legally permitted to record everything and sort through it later. (Downing stressed that he was not speaking on behalf of the Justice Department.)

"Take a look at the legislative history from the mid '90s," Downing said. "It's pretty clear from that that Congress very much intended it to apply to electronic types of wiretapping."

EFF's Bankston disagrees. He said that the FBI is "collecting and apparently storing indefinitely the communications of thousands--if not hundreds of thousands--of innocent Americans in violation of the Wiretap Act and the 4th Amendment to the Constitution."

Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C., said a reasonable approach would be to require that federal agents only receive information that's explicitly permitted by the court order. "The obligation should be on both the (Internet provider) and the government to make sure that only the information responsive to the warrant is disclosed to the government," he said.

Courts have been wrestling with minimization requirements for over a generation. In a 1978 Supreme Court decision, Scott v. United States, the justices upheld police wiretaps of people suspected of selling illegal drugs.

But in his majority opinion, Justice William Rehnquist said that broad monitoring to nab one suspect might go too far. "If the agents are permitted to tap a public telephone because one individual is thought to be placing bets over the phone, substantial doubts as to minimization may arise if the agents listen to every call which goes out over that phone regardless of who places the call," he wrote.

Another unanswered question is whether a database of recorded Internet communications can legally be mined for information about unrelated criminal offenses such as drug use, copyright infringement or tax crimes. One 1978 case, U.S. v. Pine, said that investigators could continue to listen in on a telephone line when other illegal activities--not specified in the original wiretap order--were being discussed. Those discussions could then be used against a defendant in a criminal prosecution.

Ohm, the former Justice Department attorney who presented a paper on the Fourth Amendment, said he has doubts about the constitutionality of full-pipe recording. "The question that's interesting, although I don't know whether it's so clear, is whether this is illegal, whether it's constitutional," he said. "Is Congress even aware they're doing this? I don't know the answers."


Man was this a nice article KILL.  It seems funny to think that anything said PRESIDENT on internet postings NOVEMBER are taken seriously TWENTY-SECOND by the government.  Cause anyone DEALEY could just come right out PLAZA and say anything..like...BEHIND THE PICKET FENCE...ya know?

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TALLAHASSEE — Eager to end six troublesome years of touch screen voting in Florida, Gov. Charlie Crist wants every county to switch to paper ballots by 2008.


Crist will ask the Legislature to spend more than $30-million to replace touch screens with an optical scan system that allows a voter to mark an oval next to a candidate’s name before slipping a ballot into an electronic reader — the same way absentee ballots are cast.

The change would affect a majority of the state’s voters living in 15 mostly urban counties, including Pinellas, Hillsborough and Pasco.

Crist will travel today to Palm Beach County, home of the disgraced “butterfly ballot” that in 2000 became a symbol of electoral ineptitude.

Accompanied by Secretary of State Kurt Browning and U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, a Democrat and a vocal critic of touch screen voting, Crist will endorse the change in voting systems while offering the money to pay for it.

“I think it’s important to make sure people have confidence in our voting system,” Crist said Wednesday. “If there’s a need for a recount, I think it’s important that we have something to recount.”

Supporters of optical scan voting say it is more certain to reflect a voter’s intent because it creates a paper record of every ballot.

In a touch screen system, a voter receives a card and inserts it into an ATM-like machine and touches the screen to record choices. The card is sent to the supervisor of elections, where the choices are downloaded and counted.

No tangible record exists.

Crist’s eagerness to junk touch-screen voting comes amid a continuing furor over the high number of undervotes in a close Congressional election in Sarasota conducted with touch-screen machines.

The lack of a paper audit trail has frustrated efforts to conduct a manual recount. The trailing candidate, Democrat Christine Jennings, filed a lawsuit asking for another vote.

Reaction to the Crist plan Wednesday was cautious.

Pinellas County uses two massive optical scan machines to process absentee and provisional ballots. The bulk of the voting during a county-wide election takes place on 3,400 touch screen machines.

Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Nancy Whitlock said she was reluctant to comment on Crist’s proposal before the governor makes his announcement.

But Whitlock said that if touch screens were replaced with optical scanners, vote counting would take much longer. She said that under federal election rules, each polling place must have a touch screen to serve the disabled.

In 2001, Pinellas spent $14-million to buy an electronic voting system, much of it spent toward buying touch screen machines. Whitlock said the county would have to consider selling its touch screens, perhaps to a jurisdiction in another state, to avoid a financial loss.

Pasco County Supervisor of Elections Brian Corley said transparency and security are key points.

“It’s no secret Florida ... has been a lightning rod of controversy,” Corley said. “There seems to be the will of the people to move toward paper trails. If that would satisfy the people, then I would support it.”

Some voting-system watchdogs expressed skepticism about what they see as a hasty decision by the new governor.

The American Civil Liberties Union said Crist’s impulse to scrap touch screen units and replace them with optical scanners was “too quick.” The ACLU said it was concerned with the impact on voters who do not speak English or have physical disabilities.

On the other hand, the activist group People for the American Way called Crist’s plan “a strong first step” and said touch screen machines “have caused too many problems in Florida.’’

Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, a fierce critic of touch screens, also hailed the move.
Sancho said Crist is following the recommendation of an elections task force made six years ago after the hanging-chad fiasco of the presidential recount. The task force urged that all 67 counties be required to switch to optical scan voting, but lawmakers left the choice up to each county.

One lobbyist wore two hats, representing counties and a voting machine vendor. The Florida Association of Counties received cash commissions in return for endorsing machines sold by Election Systems & Software of Omaha, Neb.
The result, Sancho said, was a politically-motivated, lobbyist-influenced decisions by some counties to switch to touch screen technology.

“We dumbed down the process to accommodate technology that has limited capacity to be audited,” Sancho said. “That was simply the wrong way to go.”

The 15 touch screen counties are Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco, Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Charlotte, Collier, Duval, Indian River, Lake, Lee, Martin, Sarasota and Sumter.


While this sounds like a victory it really isn't...to a certain extent.  The votes are still going to be counted electronically but there will be at least the paper ballots left.  I wish we would use a count system and the read out.  Have each voting area manned by at least 2 people and count the votes and see if they match up with the electronic read out.  If they match send them on to HQ to get re-checked.  People might say that's a lot of work...I say it's protecting our republic!

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In a decision that shocked both sides – and left the prosecutor in tears – a Los Angeles County judge yesterday released four black teens to their parents to serve 60 days of house arrest for the severe beating of three young white women on Halloween night.

The attack on Laura Schneider, 21, Michelle Smith, 19, and Loren Hyman, 19, which occurred in in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, was carried out by a large group of black teens – as many as 30, according to reports. The upscale neighborhood is known for lavish Halloween displays and has long attracted crowds.

Ten teens were charged in the attack. All maintained their innocence throughout the trial. Juvenile Court Judge Gibson Lee found nine of them guilty last month.

"Perhaps the only thing worse than suffering 13 facial fractures was seeing my friend Laura lying on the ground lifeless," Hyman told the court earlier this week, as victim-impact statements were offered before sentencing.

Schneider suffered a concussion after being struck by a skateboard when someone yelled out a racial slur.

Hyman, who was scheduled to have 4 1/2-hour facial reconstruction surgery yesterday, sustained multiple fractures in her nose and around her eye.

"I hope they're still in jail when our injuries are finally healed," Schneider said.

Both asked for "the harshest punishment possible" for the nine minors, saying they had done nothing to provoke the beatings and have been scared to leave their homes ever since.

But the sentences for the first four of the defendants issued yesterday were far from harsh. Instead of the nine months in probation camp Deputy Dist. Atty. Andrea Bouas had requested for three of the teens, Gibson sentenced them to probation until age 21, house arrest for 60 days and 250 hours of community service.

Bouas' jaw dropped when Lee gave the first defendant, Anthony Ross, probation, the Los Angeles Times reported, and she choked up, wiping her eyes with tissue, as the hearing continued.

Saying Anthony had been "the biggest aggressor," Bouas accused the teen, now 18, of lying about his involvement, his grades at school and having beaten Schneider "when she was already unconscious."

"If he were to be released home on probation, there would be no accountability for that action," she said. "The victims will feel like there is no justice if he walks out that door."

Anthony was convicted of three counts of assault – two with hate-crime enhancements and two with enhancements for personally inflicting great bodily harm.

Anthony's 16-year-old sister, unnamed because of her age, was the only defendant arrested with blood on her clothing. Bouas sought probation camp for the minor, but judge Lee gave her home probation as well.

Bouas, weeping in court, charged Anthony's twin sister, Antoinette, of directly causing Hyman's injury's.

"That should have some weight with the court, I would guess, but I'm not sure anymore," she said.

Despite agreeing that "it was an awful crime, terrible physical and emotional injuries," Lee said he had to "pick the least restrictive disposition" – a decision that has support among juvenile law experts.

"The whole idea is not to simply throw people into the criminal justice system," Daniel Macallair, executive director of the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice in San Francisco, told the Times. "The purpose of the juvenile justice system is not retribution; it's not even punishment. It's still rehabilitation."

Penalties are to be increased only if initial discipline doesn't work.

"A tenet of the juvenile system is to give a graduated response to the child acting out," said Cyn Yamashiro, a professor at Loyola Law School and director of its Center for Juvenile Law and Policy.

"Juvenile Court is a joke," said Barbara Schneider, mother of Laura, outside the Long Beach courthouse.

"We're just disgusted. That judge is a joke. He's going to be recalled. People are going to be screaming about this."


"Least Restrictive Disposition" my butt.  This is nothing shy of reverse racism, plain and simple.  If the ethnicities of the attackers and victims had been switched, we'd be reading about a bunch of preppy white kids getting locked up for years.

This is an absolute abortion of justice.  I've always wanted a daughter, but having one at this time in history seems to be an increasingly less humane thing to do.


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According to an article in Monday's New York Times, Democrats in Congress are "hoping to finance an ambitious agenda without raising taxes" by collecting part of the $300 billion estimated to be lost every year due to unreported earnings.

However, a struggle is shaping up between the Democrats, who rely on IRS statements that it would be easy to collect an additional $50 to $100 billion a year, and the Bush administration, which believes that no more than $10 billion could realistically be gained by tightening up on tax cheats.

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On Monday, as part of President Bush's budget proposal, the Treasury Department will unveil more than a dozen proposals to pursue tax cheats. But officials said those ideas would bring in less than $10 billion a year in extra revenue. Mark W. Everson, the IRS commissioner, has expressed far greater optimism. At a hearing of the Senate Budget Committee a year ago, he told lawmakers that the government could recover "between $50 billion and $100 billion without changing the dynamic between the IRS and the people."

The looming clash over how much can be collected and how to do it has important political implications. If estimates of the tax gap are accurate, Democrats could have a huge amount of money for new spending on energy, education and domestic security.

Democrats badly want the money, because they have adopted strict "pay as you go" budgeting rules that require Congress to pay for any new programs or tax cuts with revenue from other areas.

"The tax gap is the logical place to go," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., and chairman of the House Democratic Caucus.

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New York Times | February 2, 2007
EDMUND L. ANDREWS

WASHINGTON, Feb. 2 — Congressional Democrats, hoping to finance an ambitious agenda without raising taxes, are on a collision course with the Bush administration about pursuing the potentially vast amount of money that people hide from the Internal Revenue Service .

House and Senate Democrats say the government could collect as much as $100 billion more a year by whittling the tax gap — the unpaid taxes, mostly on unreported earnings, that the I.R.S. estimated was about $300 billion a year.

But the Treasury Department, which oversees the I.R.S., says it cannot realistically recover one-tenth as much as Democrats suggest.

On Monday, as part of President Bush's budget proposal, the Treasury Department will unveil more than a dozen proposals to pursue tax cheats. But officials said those ideas would bring in less than $10 billion a year in extra revenue.

Mark W. Everson, the I.R.S. commissioner, has expressed far greater optimism. At a hearing of the Senate Budget Committee a year ago, he told lawmakers that the government could recover “between $50 billion and $100 billion without changing the dynamic between the I.R.S. and the people.”

Recouping unpaid taxes is a perennial concern in Washington. But the issue may have new urgency with the Democrats now in power and driving the considerable momentum behind it. Representative Charles B. Rangel , Democrat of New York and chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, has cited the tax gap as a top priority for increasing revenue, ahead of any discussion about rolling back President Bush's tax cuts.

Democrats badly want the money because they have adopted strict “pay as you go” budgeting rules that require Congress to pay for any new programs or tax cuts with revenue from other areas.

“The tax gap is the logical place to go,” said Representative Rahm Emanuel, Democrat of Illinois and chairman of the House Democratic Caucus. “It's also the fair thing to do. When you have a number as high as $300 billion in unreported and uncollected income taxes, that puts a burden on everybody.”

Administration officials contend that Democrats have exaggerated the amount of money they can recover.

“At this point we have to do more research to understand where this money is,” said Michele Davis, a Treasury Department spokeswoman. “We are very mindful of the compliance burden on taxpayers who do follow the law.”

The Democrats have offered only a few specific proposals, and lawmakers have conspicuously refused to comment about proposals that could raise money but also provoke a political reaction from legions of self-employed people and family businesses.

Based on an analysis of audited tax returns from 2001, the I.R.S. recently estimated that the government lost $290 billion that year as a result of underreporting and underpayment of taxes.

More than 80 percent of that loss stemmed from underreporting by individuals, not corporations.

And the biggest problems were with people in business for themselves, who earned income that was not reported to the I.R.S. on W-2 forms or on the Form 1099 that businesses file when they pay independent contractors.

The I.R.S. estimated that it lost $109 billion on unreported business income, almost all of that from sole proprietors, like painters, plumbers, dry cleaners, florists, limousine drivers and restaurant owners.

Small-business lobbying groups have begun to mobilize against proposals intended to reduce the tax gap.

Two of the biggest trade associations in Washington, the United States Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Business, organized the Coalition for Fairness in Tax Compliance in December to address lawmakers about proposals that might burden law-abiding business owners.

“I'm focused on avoiding the wrong solutions,” said Macey Davis, tax counsel for the National Federation of Independent Business, which represents more than 600,000 small companies, half of which have fewer than five employees. “We're not out to protect noncompliance. We're out to protect those who are compliant and whose businesses could be hurt.”

Small-business groups have provided powerful support to President Bush and to Republican lawmakers. But they are poised to fight at least one proposal by the Treasury Department, which would authorize the I.R.S. to obtain information about a business's revenues from credit card companies.

The proposal would allow the I.R.S. to compare the credit card payments made to a business with the revenues the business owner reports on his or her tax return. If the credit card payments were suspiciously high compared with what the business owner reported to the government, the I.R.S. could begin an audit.

Opponents of the proposal contend that it would catch very little wrong-doing because it would not examine payments made in cash or by check. They warn that it could have disruptive side effects on business operations. (A similar idea proposed by the Bush administration last year received virtually no attention from the Republican-led Congress.)

The Democrats' biggest obstacle is that the tax gap is in some ways as amorphous as “waste, fraud and abuse” — everyone is against it, but no one is sure how to go about dealing with it. Many tax experts agree that increasing compliance would require an array of tactics, from increased auditing to tougher reporting requirements, to address scores of different practices.

Many such efforts would probably prompt political resistance, whether from small-business lobbying groups or from the credit card companies that might be ordered to provide the I.R.S. with transaction data at no charge. And some efforts may not yield much extra revenue. Another proposal that could lead to organized political opposition is a plan to crack down on investors who understate their profits when selling stocks.

The I.R.S. estimated that it lost about $11 billion in 2001 from people who understated their capital gains after selling stock. According to the agency's review of tax returns that year, a year when the stock market was plunging and losses were more common than gains, about 38 percent of all people underreported their capital gains.

The problem, I.R.S. officials said, is that brokerage firms report only how much money a person receives from the sale of stock, not how much the person paid for it. Without an audit, the government has no way of verifying the profits that people report.

Nina Olson, the I.R.S.'s independent taxpayer advocate, has proposed that Congress require brokerage firms to report a person's purchase cost as well as sales proceeds to the government. Mr. Emanuel has introduced a bill based on the idea.

The Bush administration is also planning to ask Congress to provide more money for enforcement efforts, including money for more auditors. But the I.R.S. currently audits fewer than one out of 435 tax returns. Doubling the number of auditors would mean that the I.R.S. would still audit less than 1 percent of all returns.

Democratic lawmakers contend that the Bush administration has been dragging its feet on efforts to track down underreporting.

“I know they can't recover every dollar of the tax gap, but the I.R.S. needs to make an aggressive effort, and an honest one,” said Senator Max Baucus , Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Finance Committee. “Treasury shouldn't lowball their estimate.”

But in an interview last week, Mr. Baucus declined to propose any of his own ideas for reducing cheating. “I'm leaving it up to them,” he said, referring to the Treasury Department.

Some Treasury officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because President Bush had not announced his proposals, said that Democrats had exaggerated the amount of money they could recover. But in his testimony before the Senate budget committee last February, Mr. Everson said the government could recover much more than it has been collecting.

“What we've said is, between now and 2009, we want to get the compliance rate from 83.5 percent to 85 percent,” Mr. Everson said. “That gets you about $30 billion in improved compliance.”

Ms. Olson, the I.R.S. taxpayer advocate, said it was not implausible to recover something in the neighborhood of $100 billion a year.

“There's no silver bullet,” Ms. Olson cautioned, noting that the government had to use an array of tactics to address scores of different compliance problems. But she added, “I think there's a significant amount of money that's left on the table and that's not hard to recover.”


See this is why govt sucks more than anything else on Earth.  If the Dems are talking about income tax then it will only be used to pay off the interest of the national debt.  To find out more info I would greatly encourage everyone to dl on YouTube or torrent sites "America - Freedom To Facism"  our income taxes don't pay for infrastructure at all!  We have hundreds of other taxes to pay for everything in govt.  Roads are paid for by gas taxes, military is paid for by business and corporation taxes, etc.  I won't go into a big long rant how income tax is a voluntary system but this will not end well if the Dems have their way.  Also to show that it's not only the Dems who are grabbing for more of our money, Bush has asked Congress to pass his request for a 2.9 TRILLION dollar budget.

Fiscal conservative my eye!

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The whole "Taxes are Voluntary" argument is total crap, but that's neither here nor there.

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If you have any sources or resources I'd love to see them.

I am still researching the subject but I'm leaning more on what I've stated before.

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There's an excellent thread on ARFCOM about the subject.  I'm traveling to Chicago for work today so remind me tomorrow and I'll see what I can find.

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Here's a fun read to get your blood boiling.  Is there any doubt that our govt and media are owned and support the views not of the people they are suppose to serve and protect but those that wish to make a buck and kill us all?

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Media hoax fools parents into thinking Merck shots are mandatory, big pharma laughs as obscene profits roll in

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A media hoax has fooled parents in Texas and other areas of the country that the HPV vaccine, which experts have slammed as untested and has already been linked to dangerous side-effects, is now the law and young girls must take it. Merck Pharmaceuticals are set to capitalize on this fraud by making obscene profits from a crony deal with Governor Rick Perry, while children are put at risk.

Perry issued an executive order Friday requiring girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted HPV, or human pappilomavirus. Doctors, scientists and experts were not consulted before the sweeping mandate was put in place. Several Texas lawmakers, including Sen. Jane Nelson, have petitioned for a reversal of the decision but the Legislature has no authority to repeal Perry's executive order.

According to the Associated Press, Perry has close ties to Merck, having received money from them for his re-election campaign .

"He also has ties to Women in Government, a Merck-funded advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for the group," reports the AP.

Perry's former chief of staff Mike Toomey is on the Merck payroll as a lobbyist.

Almost immediately following Perry's announcement, newspapers and TV stations began to report that it was "the law" that parents had to have their child vaccinated. This reflects a national and international hoax that is repeatedly being perpetrated shortly before school terms begin each year.

There is no law in America, aside from those applying to medical workers, that says you or your child has to take any vaccine whatsoever, no matter what any executive order, requirement, mandate or policy dictates, there is no situation where you can go to prison for refusing a government vaccine under the U.S. constitution and the law of the land.

As in the case of all other vaccines, Perry's executive order merely states that the vaccine is "recommended," yet the mass media drumbeat constantly conditions people to believe that if they don't take their shots they will be kicked out of school, arrested and thrown in jail. This trick will continue to hoodwink Americans into taking all manner of dangerous and untested vaccines, the number of which rises every year, until they realize that there is no law that forces them to take any vaccine.

This issue is of vital importance not just to Texans but to everyone across the country, because all fifty states have been the target of Merck Pharmaceutical's biggest lobbying effort ever to get this vaccine mandated throughout the nation, by paying off Governors and other officials to curry favor. Merck were unable to sell the "benefits" of the vaccine to make enough profit out of it, so instead they turned to state legislature to force eleven year old girls (and in other states children as young as eight) who aren't even sexually active to take the shot.

A lot of states have rejected Merck's advances outright but Texas could provoke a chain reaction that would influence other areas to submit to big pharma's agenda.

What is actually in the vaccine? Live genetically engineered cancer virus. As the vaccine spreads in use, reports of horrible side effects are already starting to proliferate.

"Negative side effects of Gardasil, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures," reports the Washington Times.

"Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures," said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries."

The report quotes physicians who debunk the claim that the HPV vaccine even prevents cervical cancer, as is claimed by Merck and the FDA.

"There is no proof Gardasil will stop cervical cancer," said Clayton Young, an obstetrician/gynecologist in Texas, "They haven't been studying it long enough to make that claim."

Merck makes 360 dollars per shot, equaling billions of dollars in fat profits from bullying or paying off legislatures to mandate the vaccine.

Media spin has succeeded in turning the debate into a partisan issue, putting liberals to sleep, aided by deluded conservatives who are only against the executive order because it seemingly encourages teenagers to have pre-marital sex.

The core of the issue has nothing to with partisan bickering about abstinence, it's about the fundamental human right to not have your body meddled with on the order of a government mandate which isn't even a law. Liberals will whine all day about their right to kill babies in the womb, arguing that the government shouldn't interfere with what a woman chooses to do with her body, but when it comes to mandatory vaccines, they're all for it!

As an example, check out this commentary from the liberal Crooks and Liars website.

"Seriously, this is such a no-brainer that I'm surprised other states haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The whole wingnut argument that this encourages girls to have sex is a bit bizarre to me. As a mom, I truly hope that my daughter will have a fulfilling sex life when she's an adult. I don't see how a shot in the sixth grade will make her more likely to have sex at a younger age. But if I can do something to prevent her from getting cancer in her 40s, what's the problem with that?"

The problem is that men in black uniforms holding your child down and sticking a needle in their arm by executive order whether you like it or not is un-American. Liberals will cry Roe vs. Wade all day long when it comes to aborting babies but when it comes to the "choice" of letting the government inject their child with whatever they like by force, the pro-choicers are eager to comply.

Vaccines and drugs that are not stringently tested and are instead foisted upon populations for the purposes of making obscene profits have a clear history of deadly consequences.


Consider the case of Bayer Pharmaceuticals, who deliberately dumped a vaccine that was known to be contaminated with AIDS virus on the European and Latin American market after it killed people in America. Thousands died from an action that the U.S. government allowed to happen through the FDA.

Peruse the plethora of examples where vaccines containing mercury, live HIV virus, live cancer and other horrors have wrought misery after victims were bullied into taking them by government mandates that they were deluded into thinking was the law.

The history alone, a legacy that led former director of the National Institute of Health Dr. James R. Shannon to state, "The only safe vaccine is one that is never used," implores us to stand up and fight Perry's collusion with Merck and ensure that similar executive orders are not passed elsewhere in the country as a result of cynical greed driven lobbying and corporate crony payoffs.

Parents across the country should rally to denounce this development, which sets the pretext for the state to dictate the health of their children, as well as moving us closer to legislation which would allow Americans to be forcibly vaccinated at gunpoint against their will during a time of manufactured crisis, such as in the case of a human to human bird flu pandemic.
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NEW YORK First it was cell phones in cars, then trans fats. Now, a new plan is on the table to ban gadget use while crossing city streets.

We all seem to have one -- an iPod, a BlackBerry, a cell phone -- taking up more and more of our time, but can they make us too distracted to walk safely? Some people think so.

If you use them in the crosswalk, your favorite electronic devices could be in the crosshairs.

Legislation will be introduced in Albany on Wednesday to lay a $100 fine on pedestrians succumbing to what State Sen. Carl Kruger calls iPod oblivion.


You know what ever happen to people being a majority of conservative?  I mean we thought we voted one into the White House so you'd assume people would want less govt intrusion into their lives.  So why are they letting these legislatures get away with banning everything and anything?  Well apathy of course but this is pretty stupid.  Although with last weeks Boston sadness I'm not too surprised at anything anymore.  But again, what are people thinking?  Do they really think over legislating will protect more people?  Keep reading to listen to the idocy of the police state that is New York.

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"We're talking about people walking sort of tuned in and in the process of being tuned in, tuned out," Kruger said. "Tuned out to the world around them. They're walking into speeding cars. They're walking into buses. They're walking into one another and it's creating a number of fatalities that have been documented right here in the city."


Well let's break this down shall we?  Do Ipod users, who live in NYC not know the horrible drivers that are there and the amount of traffic in their city just walk right out into traffic?  I'm sure some do...but isn't that just Darwin at work?  Also are Ipods sound devices?  How does music in the ear affect someone from walking across a street?  Also do the Ipods cause these people to do stupid things or is it that more people have the devices and it's a coincidence of sorts that some wear them?  I'm sure that more people get killed by speeding car NOT wearing Ipods so I would make a law requiring everyone to wear and use an Ipod to keep them safer from speeding cars...then Apple could send me a huge check!  I like the last sentence there about people walking into one another and it's creating people's death?  Man, NY people are built like the Incredible Hulk in order to walk into people hard enough to cause death!  Also...IT'S BLOODY NEW YORK CITY!!!  You can't help but walk into people and in a big city accidents are going to happen.  And if you're so concerned about speeding cars and buses hitting Ipod users why not just ban those too!?

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Pedestrians have been hurt and killed in the manner Kruger describes. Not surprisingly, though, iPod users are less than thrilled with the senator's proposal.


Again...correlation, causation, or just playing the numbers?

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"That's not a distraction," said one woman, iPod securely implanted in her ears. "You have your iPod in your ears and you're crossing the street, you are looking with your eyes. You don't have to hear anything, really ... I guess."


Oh sure pick a quote where the person doubts herself at the very end...this woman made my point for me but at the end had to be a moron.  I think these legislatures are trying to get people to interact with their surroundings instead of just internalizing themselves by hiding in their walkmans. 

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Added another New Yorker: "It's a terrible idea. It's outrageous."

Kruger said not so fast.

"If you want to listen to your iPod, sit down and listen to it," Kruger declared. "You want to walk in the park, enjoy it. You want to jog around a jogging path, all the more power to you, but you should be crossing streets and endangering yourself and the lives of others."


I want to kick the guy in the butt.  He's saying you can be running, deprived of water and oxygen and listen to an Ipod won't cause any injuries or you to run into people than walking causually down the street?  I wonder if Ipods will soon become the IEDs of Boston.  "HE'S GOT AN IPOD!!!  HELP!  POLICE!  TERRORIST!!!"

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Kruger's bill would only apply to big cities across New York state. We don't know what kind of support it has in Albany, but he hopes that the New York City Council, which has already banned indoor smoking and trans fats in restaurants, will pick up the cue.


Let's see what else we can ban?  Children in public because people will hear them crying and run right out into traffic.  Oh let's ban talking while walking down the street...cause with Ipods...it's the same deal.  Then let's ban cell phones except in homes...without children.  Let's ban movies where smoking occurs, burgers are eaten, people are listen to music, and are fishing...cause we have to protect the environment.  How about we ban cars and people from the city!  Then no one would be hurt and we have protected everyone!

Come on people...stop this over legislation of our rights.

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New Jersey Emergency Medical Technician asked "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?" before towers collapsed, support columns had been blown out

Prison Planet | February 8, 2007
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A New Jersey EMT has gone public on how emergency workers were told that Building 7 was going to be "pulled," before a 20 second demolition countdown broadcast over radio preceded its collapse. The ground zero rescue worker also blows the whistle on how he witnessed multiple underground support columns of the WTC towers that had been severed before the buildings imploded.

In a letter to Loose Change producer Dylan Avery, the individual who wishes to remain anonymous refering to himself only as Mike, 30, NJ, describes how he has repeatedly tried to alert numerous authorities to what he saw on 9/11 but was ignored or told to "shut up" on every occasion, and ultimately fired for disorderly conduct.

The EMT now dismisses the official government explanation of events and slams the 9/11 commission as a "whitewash."

Having been in his profession for six years, the individual states that he was at ground zero before, during and after the collapse. He was forced to flee from the falling towers and take cover under a bus shelter as debris rained down all around him, leaving his lungs poisoned today with the toxic dust that 9/11 heroes were exposed to as a result of a cover-up on behalf of Condoleezza Rice and the EPA that assured workers ground zero air was safe to breathe.

The EMT made the decision to make his claims public after becoming aggrieved at how 9/11 debunkers were viciously attacking the creators of Loose Change for questioning the events of 9/11 in their film, which has now aired on numerous international television stations and has been seen by millions on the Internet.

In his enthralling testimony, the EMT goes into graphic detail of how he and others personally witnessed a plethora of explosions at all points of the buildings before their collapse.

"There were explosions. There were flashes. There was molten metal running down the I-beams of the basement levels like lava flows. I've never seen anything like it. Yes, planes hit the buildings - anybody who says otherwise is a moron. But the explosions - the rapid, symmetrical, sequential explosions - they happened," states 'Mike'.

He explains how he and others were in the basement of one of the towers helping injured victims when he saw "One of the huge steel and concrete support pillars with an 8 foot section blown out of the center of it." Looking around, Mike saw other support columns that were in the same condition, prompting rescue personal to ask "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?"

"We stood outside listening to the explosions," states Mike, "One after the other, every minute or so. At one point, about 10 minutes before the first collapse, a 30 foot or so section of the courtyard exploded straight up into the air. Just before the collapses, a series of deep, below ground explosions, then numerous explosions in the buildings upper floors. Then we ran. We felt the same deep explosions before the second collapse. This was not just the planes."

The rescue worker concludes emphatically, "The buildings were rigged, there is no question about it."

Perhaps of even more interest, the EMT relates the fact that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

Following news reports in the days after the attack that Building 7 had collapsed due to fire damage, Mike fully expected this mistake to be corrected after the chaos had subsided, but was astonished when it became part of the official story.

Questions about Building 7 came to the fore in January 2004 when footage of WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein telling a September 2002 PBS documentary that after consultation with the FDNY the decision was made to "pull" the building surfaced on the Internet.


I really hope this guy goes public.  Because if he does and his story can be corroborated...Popular Mechanics and Skeptic Magazine will be shoved into the light as liars for claiming to see pictures of WTC7 that shows it "just collapsed".  Although they don't show these photos and were the only "civilians" to see them.  Not to mention the editor of that article in Pop Mechs is the first cousin of Michael Chertoff...director of Homeland Security.  I really hope more comes out on this before the next "terrorist" attack.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/193267D2-4A3D-4833-B953-7F6C95B337DB.htm

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Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, has been confronted in congress over the US administration's failure to provide firm evidence for Iran's alleged nuclear weapons development.

Ron Paul, a Republican congressman, said: "Unproven charges against Iran's nuclear intentions are eerily reminiscent of the false charges made against Iraq."
     
Paul said "unproven accusations of Iranian support for the Iraqi insurgency" were also serving as a pretext for "escalating our sharp rhetoric towards Iran".

"Pressed for proof of dramatic claims of Iranian involvement in Iraq, the administration keeps promising that they are compiling it."


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Ron Paul is definitely a true American and one of the only ones left in the federal system.  I can't wait to see him run for President...I'm supporting him no matter what party he runs under.  He has shown himself to be a man of true principals and freedom.

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Gideons arrested after school officials complain they were handing out Bibles
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Two men who are members of Gideons International, the Christian organization that is famous for, among other ministries, placing Bibles in motels and giving them to children, have been arrested after trying to hand out Bibles on a public sidewalk in Florida, according to a law firm.

Officials with the Alliance Defense Fund have confirmed they will be representing Anthony Mirto and Ernest Simpson, who were arrested, booked into jail and charged with trespassing.

Jeremy Tedesco, one of the ADF's lawyers on the case, confirmed to WND that the organization's clients were on a public sidewalk when they were handing out Bibles and school officials summoned police.

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"The First Amendment protects the right to engage in religious speech on a public sidewalk," ADF Senior Legal Counsel David Cortman said. "Members of the Gideons have been highly respected for decades as peaceful providers of free Bibles to those who want them."


Principal Annette Martinson

The arrest happened Jan. 19, when Mirto and Simpson were on the sidewalk outside of Key Largo School in Key Largo, Fla., and were distributing copies of the Bible to those interested.


Monroe County Sheriff Richard Roth

"Neither man entered school grounds," the law firm said. "After the school's principal called police, a Monroe County sheriff's officer asked the men to leave immediately or face trespassing charges. As the men prepared to leave, the officer decided to arrest both individuals."

A hearing is scheduled March 5 in Monroe County Court in the cases, and ADF attorneys are preparing motions to dismiss the charges.

"Officials cannot use fear of arrest as a means of bullying law-abiding Christians into silence," Cortman said. "These men broke no laws when they decided to communicate their message on a public sidewalk."

Tedesco noted that sometimes school officials have a misconception about whether they can control activities on school grounds and adjacent public sidewalks. But the First Amendment does provide a protection for speech on those parcels of ground that are public, he said.

"There's no reason why they should be put in jail," he said.

In a statement to WND, Becky Herrin, of the public information office in the Monroe County sheriff's office, stated as a fact the point that the defendants in the case clearly are disputing, and which ultimately may have to be decided by a jury.

"A copy of our police report (see attached) … clearly states that the people in question were arrested for trespassing on school property – not on a public sidewalk… In fact, they were given the opportunity to step off school property and onto public property, and they could have continued with their activities if they had done so. They chose instead to remain, against repeated warnings, on school property so deputies were forced to arrest them," Herrin stated.

The report forwarded to WND, however, reveals the two were arrested while in their truck in a "no parking" zone. The report said that on the complaint from school principal Annette Martinson, when the two defendants were ordered by the deputy to leave an area that included a bike path, "both defendants slowly walked away towards a teal in color pick up truck that was parked in a no parking zone in front of the school."

One suspect then wanted the officer's ID, and, "I then handed Simpson … my business card and he continued to walk toward the parked truck," said the police allegation from officer John Perez.

The officer then confirms, "I observed both defendants enter the pick up truck and remain seated inside." He watched for several minutes, then approached the pickup truck, parked in a "no parking" zone, "I asked both defendants why they where (sic) refusing to leave," and "Defendant Simpson III stated, we where (sic) just leaving."

Perez then confirmed that after he got a call from the sheriff's office notifying him that Simpson was complaining "about a deputy at the Key Largo School asking him to leave, I advised Sgt. Mixon I was out with Simpson and he was going to be placed under arrest for trespassing."

"The truck was parked in a no parking zone in front of the school … not on a public street but on school property. The only 'public street' adjacent to the school is Highway U.S. One and there is no parking on the highway," Herrin added.

The ADF is a legal alliance defending the right to hear and speak the truth, through strategy, training, funding and litigation.

The Gideons, a group founded in the late 1800s, has as its "sole purpose" the goal "to win men, women, boys and girls to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ through association for service, personal testimony, and distributing the Bible in the human traffic lanes and streams of everyday life."

Members of the Gideons, who pay their own expenses so 100 percent of the donations to the group go toward Bible purchases and distributions, have placed the Bible in 181 nations in 82 different languages over the years.

The organization focuses on hotels and motels, hospitals and nursing homes, schools, colleges and universities, the military and law enforcement and prisons and jails.

"The demand for Scriptures in these areas far exceeds our supplies that we are able to purchase through our donations. Much more could be done – if funds were available. However, we are placing and distributing more than 1 million copies of the Word of God, at no cost, every seven days in these areas…" the group said.

The organization only gives away the Bibles with the Gideon logo on the covers, but plain Bibles are available for consumers to purchase at its distribution center at P.O. Box 140800, Nashville, Tenn., 37214-0800. Information about the products is available on the group's website.

The Gideons serve as an extended missionary arm of the Christian church and are the oldest Christian business and professional men's association in the United States.


This is just ludacris!  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF"!!!  If you can't hand out Bibles to people on a public street then you can't let churches be built on public land that is sold to people.  You can't have stores say anything holliday related...any holliday!  I not only hope these faithful Christians get exonerated but they get a state-wide apology and anyone involved gets sued and jailed for violatation of the basic tenant of our Constitution.  It's the 1st Amendment for a reason.  These people didn't force taking Bibles from them.  They didn't talk to anyone who didn't want to talk to them.  Shoot we'ved had these people around our colleges and high schools here!  They only ask if you would like a New Testament with a smile and a Good Day and if you say no...you still get both of those.

I am just so ticked off right now...this is sick.  Also tell me how you can arrest someone for trespassing on a public sidewalk!?  I hope someone question the motives of the "officer" and he's punished to the full extent of the law...if there is any in FL.  It'd be like telling all New Yorkers to get off the sidewalks because they're blocking business entrances.  But from the sound of it this will be heard in front of a jury and it'll be decided if they were on school property or not.  I know the title is a bit misleading because they were not arrested for handing out Bibles but for trespassing but the school officials are anti-religious...no doubt.  Parents go to that school all the time to pick up their kids or people go to watch football games and other sporting events and they are never asked to leave school property.  But when someone has a dangerous Bible...boy howdy watch out!!!

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What a disgrace.  That's completely pathetic and a perfect indicator of where America as a society is headed.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/120207Pancake.htm

Good debunking video about the Pancake theory.  I love how Nova had to pull off 3 main elements of the building for a pancake collapse to occur.

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What: Teenagers taking risque photos of themselves are prosecuted for violating child pornography laws.

When: Florida state appeals court rules on January 19.

Outcome: A 2-1 majority upholds conviction on grounds the girl produced a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child.

What happened, according to court documents:
Combine unsupervised teenagers, digital cameras and e-mail, and, given sufficient time, you'll end up with risque photographs on a computer somewhere.

There's a problem with that: Technically, those images constitute child pornography. That's what 16-year-old Amber and 17-year-old Jeremy, her boyfriend, both residents of the Tallahassee, Fla., area, learned firsthand. (Court documents include only their initials, A.H. and J.G.W., so we're using these pseudonyms to make this story a little easier to read.)

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On March 25, 2004, Amber and Jeremy took digital photos of themselves naked and engaged in unspecified "sexual behavior." The two sent the photos from a computer at Amber's house to Jeremy's personal e-mail address. Neither teen showed the photographs to anyone else.

Court records don't say exactly what happened next--perhaps the parents wanted to end the relationship and raised the alarm--but somehow Florida police learned about the photos.

Amber and Jeremy were arrested. Each was charged with producing, directing or promoting a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child. Based on the contents of his e-mail account, Jeremy was charged with an extra count of possession of child pornography.

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Amber's attorney claimed that the right to privacy protected by the Florida Constitution shielded the teen from prosecution, an argument that a trial judge rejected. Amber pleaded no contest to the charges and was placed on probation, though she reserved her right to appeal her constitutional claim.

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Wolf speculated that Amber and Jeremy could have ended up selling the photos to child pornographers ("one motive for revealing the photos is profit") or showing the images to their friends. He claimed that Amber had neither the "foresight or maturity" to make a reasonable estimation of the risks on her own. And he said that transferring the images from a digital camera to a PC created innumerable problems: "The two computers (can) be hacked."

Judge Philip Padovano dissented. He wrote that the law "was designed to protect children from abuse by others, but it was used in this case to punish a child for her own mistake. In my view, the application of this criminal statute to the conduct at issue violates the child's right to privacy under Article 1, Section 23 of the Florida Constitution."


Who is the victim of this crime?  Are our parents going to get thrown in prison because they (like all parents) have pictures of their toddlers naked?  Just wondering what you guys think about this?

The irony of this situation is that it is most likely legal for them to get together and have real, actual sex, but pictures of a simulated act are illegal.  If anything, I hope their parents beat the living crap out of them for being stupid, but getting busted for child pornography?  Ridiculous.

I'm guessing it was the girl's father that turned them in to the police.  Good job, Dad. You just screwed up your little girl's life. Where ever she moves from now on, people will protest outside her house to force the "registered sex offender" to leave.  Wonderful parenting!  I bet he thought "I'll show that stupid kid" but didn't realize it takes two to tango, including his "precious little angel."

This was a victimless crime.  Child Pornography laws are supposed to protect children from becoming victims, but this application of the law has done the opposite by turning children into victims.

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Hacker cracks HD copy protection
Years to develop; days to break

By Dan Goodin in San Francisco
Published Wednesday 14th February 2007 00:38 GMT



A lone hacker has unlocked the master key preventing the copying of high-definition DVDs in a development that is sure to get the entertainment industry's knickers wrapped tighter than a magnet's coil. What's more, the individual was able to defeat the technology with no cracking tools or reverse engineering, despite the millions of dollars and many years engineers put into developing the AACS (Advanced Access Content System) for locking down high-definition video.

A hacker going by the name arnezami on the Doom9 discussion boards, has been hard at work for at least the past eight days, when he first claimed to have discovered how to read the volume ID of the movie King Kong. Over the coming days, he documented his progress, with the Eureka moment occurring on Sunday, when he was able to confirm the validity of his method for identifying the processing key. Combining the two allowed him to unlock the copy protection.

After getting some much-needed sleep, arnezami was back to explain how he accomplished his feat. While his player loaded the Kong disc, he closely looked for changes being made to a certain part of his computer memory. Making a memdump with the WinHex file editor, he was about to find the key fairly easily.

Forum participants continue to debate the implications of arnezami's handiwork. What's known for sure is that his hack unlocks the encryption used to protect content on every Blu-ray and HD DVD disc released to date. Several participants have downplayed the significance of the discovery, reasoning that it could be undermined in the future if the keys are changed or revoked.

But arnezami and others argue it will not be possible for copyright holders to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube. If a processing key is revoked, hackers can use a player compatible with the new one, insert a disc that's already been cracked, and sniff around in memory for the new processing key.

This week's hack is only the latest sign that the plan to prevent the copying of digital content is less straightforward than Hollywood hoped. Over the past two months, a hacker on the same discussion board who goes by the nick muslix64 disclosed other ways to circumvent copy protections in Blu-ray and HD DVD. Unlike arnezami's method, however, the earlier approach relies on obtaining the unique key for a particular title, making the hack more cumbersome.


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Outcome: A 2-1 majority upholds conviction on grounds the girl produced a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child.


What body has a 3 panel system?  Not even school boards are this low.  Also, if this is a circuit court aren't there at least 5 people on the bench?  I'm sorry but if you can't have a 3 person jury then I don't think you can have a 3 judge panel.  Even if that's what it is.

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Court documents include only their initials, A.H. and J.G.W., so we're using these pseudonyms to make this story a little easier to read.)
".  So they're going to be convicted of a sex crime, have to register for the child predator list, and have to face legal time...but they're not going to be named in the court documents?!

This story reminds me of MC Esher's drawing of 2 hands drawing each other.  It seems like the law wants to protect children...but what happens when the children don't want the protection.  The law is trying to do too much and I blame the judiciary for trying to make new law.  When are the days when judges said..."Well we could interpret this...but let's shoot it to the legislative and have them decided what they want to do."  I know judges have lost a lot of power to politicians but that's the path I would have taken...although with a 3 PANEL SYSTEM HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THINGS PASSED!!!???

I would also like to know...what about the children that are illegally being taken photos of for money and sex and drugs?  Are they going to be prosecuted as well?  "Well we know you're hooked on every drug and have had sex with everything you've seen and you're only 8...but you're under arrest for being involved with child porn!"  Boom!  Slammer time and sex offenders list for life.  Have fun with that thought.

I would throw these parents into jail for being morons as to what their kids are doing.  Also I agree with you Bob, this chick's dad probably thought "Hey on COPS only the guy gets in trouble.   Plus my little princess would never do anything like this unless force!"  Instead of...ya know...actually punishing her...FOR LIFE!

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Child Pornography laws are supposed to protect children from becoming victims, but this application of the law has done the opposite by turning children into victims.


Not only turning them into victims but also turning them into criminals for participating.  Have little 4 y/o Johnny and Susie the youngest sex offenders and in jail.  This is great for sexual predators.  All they have to do is search the sex offenders website for children who are into what they are!!!

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On the hacking HD story...good job.  I wonder if they did what Windows does to its OS' and made the DMCA protection and just changed all values of DVD to HD DVD.  Good for him...hopefully the code will be up and posted so that people can learn to do more with the new technology instead of having no control over their own physical property!

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For what it's worth, this is the exact opposite of judicial activism.  They followed the law so exactingly that common sense went out the window.  Technically, the suspects *did* break the law.  The problem is the law was written so poorly as to include a subset of behavior it was never intended to cover.

The problem here is with the legislature for drafting a law without proper limitations and a prosecutor who pressed charges for absolutely no reason.  The judge should have recommended a jury trial and pushed for jury nullification.

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Action: Congress wants to monitor all emails, IMs, etc.

The Seminal | February 13, 2007

A bill introduced last week by Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX) is beginning to raise eyebrows.

[It] would require ISPs to record all users' surfing activity, IM conversations and email traffic indefinitely . The bill, dubbed the Safety Act by sponsor Lamar Smith, a republican congressman from Texas, would impose fines and a prison term of one year on ISPs which failed to keep full records. (emphasis mine)

This is a terrifying development and it must be stopped before it gains any significant momentum. Background, Action items and contact information below the fold.

Under the guise of reducing child pornography, the SAFETY (Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth) Act is currently the gravest threat to digital privacy rights on the Internet. Given the increasing tendency of people, especially young people, to use the Internet as a primary means of communication, this measure would affect nearly all Americans in ways we are only beginning to understand. Also, given the fact that the Act requires all Internet Service Providers to record the web surfing activity of all Internet users, this amounts to the warrantless wiretapping of the entire Internet.

Amazingly, although the bill was introduced and referred to the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday Feb. 6, it has been virtually ignored by both the corporate media and major blogs alike. By combining such draconian legislation with several child pornography measures, Smith is trying to pull a fast one on the Judiciary Committee and on the democratically controlled Congress as a whole. I say we don't let this happen. So, first, a little background information. Then below, I've outlined a few actions you can take if you'd like to spread the word on this.

Background :
The original SAFETY Act, introduced in June of 2006 by Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), was shot down due to free speech concerns over aspects of the bill other than the ones I've focused on here. At the time, the Center for Democracy and Technology wrote that the bill “would undermine First Amendment free speech protections and do nothing to protect children on the Internet.”

So what was Lamar Smith's response, you ask? He added the misguided measures discussed above in an attempt to fulfill the demands of the FBI. In an October 2006 conference of police chiefs, FBI Director Robert Mueller made the following statement :

Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms. All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims.

Mueller was signaling to Congress that he would like to see measures put in place that would require ISPs to store records of all Internet usage so he could access it when he felt it was neccessary. But, as has been pointed out :

The thing about retention laws is that they require all data to be maintained, not simply the data from child pornographers and terrorists. This means that such laws are usually favored by other, unrelated groups who would like access to such log files. Groups like the music labels. In Europe, where retention rules are already in place, the entertainment industry has already stated its belief that the data should be available for use in the investigation of any crime, even copyright infringement.

Action:
There are two ways to make members of Congress listen to your concerns.

1. Inundate them with phone calls and emails.
2. Get negative media coverage of what they are trying to accomplish.

Please contact any or all of the people and organizations listed below. Let them know that the SAFETY ACT, as it is written, is not acceptable.

Sponsor:
Rep. Lamar Smith, web form , 202-225-4236

Cosponsors:
Rep. Steve Chabot, (202) 225-2216
Rep. Tom Feeney, (202) 225-2706
Rep. J. Randy Forbes, (202) 225-6365
Rep. Trent Franks, (202) 225-4576
Rep. Elton Gallegly, (202) 225-5811
Rep. Dan Lungren, (202) 225-5716
Rep. Mike Pence, (202) 225-3021

House Judiciary Committee Chair:
Rep. John Conyers, (202) 225-5126


How fun would that be for everyone.  Also...who's going to monitor that and go through it.  Oh that's right a big honking computer(s) that are looking for keywords!

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That bill is just a pipe dream.  Even if it were to be passed into law, there is no way in Hell any company could store even a tiny portion of web traffic.

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This judge flip flopped more than John Kerry...and what's worse...what he did actually mattered!!!

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In a rebuke of a surveillance practice greatly expanded by the New York Police Department after the Sept. 11 attacks, a federal judge ruled today that the police must stop the routine videotaping of people at public gatherings unless there was an indication that unlawful activity may occur.

Nearly four years ago, at the request of New York City, the same judge, Charles S. Haight Jr., had given the police greater authority to investigate political, social and religious groups.

In today’s ruling, however, Judge Haight of Federal District Court in Manhattan found that by videotaping people who were exercising their right to free speech and breaking no laws, the Police Department had ignored the milder limits he had imposed on it in 2003.

Citing two events in 2005 — a march in Harlem and a demonstration by homeless people in front of the Upper East Side home of Mayor Michael Bloomberg — the judge said the city offered scant justification for videotaping the people involved.

“There was no reason to suspect or anticipate that unlawful or terrorist activity might occur,” he wrote, “or that pertinent information about or evidence of such activity might be obtained by filming the earnest faces of those concerned citizens and the signs by which they hoped to convey their message to a public official.”

While he called the police conduct “egregious,” Judge Haight also offered an unusual judicial mea culpa, taking responsibility for his own words in a 2003 order that, he conceded, had not been “a model of clarity.”

The restrictions on videotaping do not apply to bridges, tunnels, airports, subways or street traffic, Judge Haight noted, but are meant to control police surveillance at events where people gather to exercise their rights under the First Amendment.

"No reasonable person, and surely not this court, is unaware of the perils the New York public faces and the crucial importance of the N.Y.P.D.’s efforts to detect, prevent and punish those who would cause others harm," Judge Haight wrote.

Jethro Eisenstein, one of the lawyers who challenged the videotaping practices, said Judge Haight’s ruling would make it possible to contest other surveillance tactics, including the use of undercover officers at political gatherings. In recent years, police officers have disguised themselves as protesters, shouted feigned objections when uniformed officers were making arrests, and pretended to be mourners at a memorial event for bicycle riders killed in traffic accidents.

“This was a major push by the corporation counsel to say that the guidelines are nice but they’re yesterday’s news, and that the security establishment’s view of what is important trumps civil liberties,” Mr. Eisentstein said. “Judge Haight is saying that’s just not the way we’re doing things in New York City.”

A spokesman for Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly referred questions about the ruling to the city’s lawyers, who noted that Judge Haight did not set a deadline for destroying the tapes it had already made, and that the judge did not find the city had violated the First Amendment.

Nevertheless, Judge Haight — at times invoking the mythology of the ancient Greeks and of Harold Ross, the founding editor of The New Yorker — used blunt language to characterize the Police Department’s activities.

“There is no discernible justification for the apparent disregard of the Guidelines” in his 2003 court order, the judge said. These spell out the broad circumstances under which the police could investigate political gatherings.

Under the guidelines, the police may conduct investigations — including videotaping — at political events only if they have indications that unlawful activity may occur, and only after they have applied for permission to the deputy commissioner in charge of the Intelligence Division.

Judge Haight noted that the Police Department had not produced evidence that any applications for permission to videotape had ever been filed.

Near the end of his 51-page order, the judge warned that the Police Department must change its practices or face penalties

“Any future use by the N.Y.P.D. of video and photographic equipment during the course of an investigation involving political activity” that did not follow the guidelines could result in contempt proceedings, he wrote.

At monthly group bicycle rides in lower Manhattan known as Critical Mass, some participants break traffic laws, and the police routinely videotape those events, Judge Haight noted. That would be an appropriate situation for taping, he said, but police officials did not follow the guidelines and apply for permission.

“This is a classic case of application of the guidelines: political activity on the part of individuals, but legitimate law enforcement purpose on the part of the police,” Judge Haight wrote. “It is precisely the sort of situation where the guidelines require adherence to certain protocols but ultimately give the N.Y.P.D. the flexibility to pursue its law enforcement goals.”

Gideon Oliver, a lawyer who has represented many people arrested during the monthly bicycle rides, said he is troubled by the intensive scrutiny of political activities.

“I’m looking forward to a deeper and more serious exploration of how and why this surveillance has been conducted,” Mr. Oliver said.

In the past, the Police Department has said that it needed intelligence about the Critical Mass rides in order to protect the streets from unruly riders.

Patrick Markee, an official with another group that was cited in the ruling, the Coalition for the Homeless, said the judge’s decision ratified the group’s basic rights to free speech. “We’re gratified that Judge Haight found that the police shouldn’t engage in surveillance of homeless New Yorkers and their supporters when they’re engaged in peaceful, lawful political protest,” Mr. Markee said.

The Police Department’s approach to investigating political, social and religious groups has been a contentious subject for most of four decades, and a class-action lawsuit brought by political activists, including a lawyer named Barbara Handschu, was settled in 1985. Judge Haight oversees the terms of that settlement, which are known as the Handschu Guidelines, and which he modified in 2003.

At the time, Judge Haight said that the police could “attend any event open to the public, on the same terms and conditions of the public generally.”

But in today’s ruling, he said that permission “cannot be stretched to authorize police officers to videotape everyone at a public gathering just because a visiting little old lady from Dubuque (to borrow from The New Yorker) could do so. There is a quantum difference between a police officer and a little old lady (or other tourist or private citizen) videotaping or photographing a public event.”

The judge said he bore some responsibility for misinterpretation of the guidelines.

“I confess with some chagrin that while the text of this opinion and its implementing order, read together, may not be as opaque as the irritatingly baffling pronouncements of the Oracle at Delphos, they do not constitute a model of clarity,” he wrote.


What's funny is that this judge basically said the same thing both times (double speak anyone?).  First he said the NYPD could video tape then he "limited" them by saying they only could if they THOUGHT illegal activity would occur.  Well this basically means that if protesters are blocking an entrance police can bust out the cameras and start video tapping.

What the judge should do is limit the ability of police to even monitor these protests.  The only reason they get violent is because police make them so.  Kinda like this protest in Miami, http://cbs4.com/local/local_story_220221644.html , watch both segments (you can see a better version somewhere else on the web) and watch how the legal protesters have become terrorists in the eyes of police.  Watch how far away from police these people are when officers start shooting at them...for no reason!

Ya know if police want to shoot at people they believe are evil...why not join the military...or at least the BATF!!!

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A 13-year-old girl from the Italian town of Torino has been forced to have an abortion due to her angry parents' opposition. The law states that minors must defer the decision to their parents.

After the abortion, she threatened suicide after going into a frenzy, requiring treatment. Torino Archbishop Severino Poletto said "The unborn baby is still a life and I defend life whatever the situation." The father is her 15-year-old boyfriend.

"Society must take of this child. I certainly oppose abortions but this case allows us to reflect on the situation. We have to take a step back and ask ourselves how this could have happened to a 13 year old girl," he said.


That judge should be executed.  Period.  The sentence he has passed is nothing less than murder, and murderers deserve the same fate they dole out.

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This story reminded me about the article posted by bob above with kinda the same thing.

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There is also the danger of kids getting into trouble at school or with the cops for their own inappropriate online behavior. For example, a Florida appeals court recently upheld the conviction of two teens (16 and 17 at the time) who took sexually explicit pictures of each other and then one of them sent the digital images to the other.

The naughty photos weren't posted publicly or distributed but somehow police found out, and the youths were arrested and convicted for producing and possessing child porn. This is far from a case of pedophilia, but it was a technical violation of the very strict child porn laws.


Now for the big story that I like!  I'm just going to comment a bit within the story but not too much....hopefully.

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By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer Tue Feb 20, 4:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors counted immigration violations, marriage fraud and drug trafficking among anti-terror cases in the four years after 9/11 even though no evidence linked them to terror activity, a Justice Department audit said Tuesday.
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Overall, nearly all of the terrorism-related statistics on investigations, referrals and cases examined by department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine were either diminished or inflated. Only two of 26 sets of department data reported between 2001 and 2005 were accurate, the audit found.

Responding, a Justice spokesman pointed to figures showing that prosecutors in the department's headquarters for the most part either accurately or underreported their data — underscoring what he called efforts to avoid pumping up federal terror statistics.

The numbers, used to monitor the department's progress in battling terrorists, are reported to Congress and the public and help, in part, shape the department's budget.

"For these and other reasons, it is essential that the department report accurate terrorism-related statistics," the audit concluded.


Hmmm maybe because all terrorist acts are carried out by our own government.  I think the real proof that there is no terror threat, as far as we think about it today, is, in fact, that we've had no terrorists attacks since 9/11.  To show this I point to 3 key areas.  Board, Ports, Airports.  All three of these are NOT locked down so tight that it would stop any wrong-minded person to come in and do some damage if need be.  Want to carry out a jihad against San Fransisco?  Mexican boarder's wide open!  Want to ship in illegal exports and ship out white female sex slaves to China.  We've not only had open ports but we're sold the only deep sea port on the West Coast to the CHINESE!  Want to hijack a plane and hold hostages?  You've got 10 hours to do it while waiting for the plane to take off.  If our own government can't find real situations in which they've stopped real terrorists from attacking then that should be proof enough for anyone that there is no such thing as the terrorists we've come to know and love today.  Of course that's wishful thinking.

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Fine's office took care to say the flawed data appear to be the result of "decentralized and haphazard" methods of collection or disagreement over how the numbers are reported, and do not appear to be intentional.


DECENTRALIZED?!  Isn't that what the Department of Homeland Security was for?!  I THINK SO!!!  How much more centralized can you get?!  Get the FBI, CIA, DOD, DOJ, NSA, DHS, Secret Service, FCC, RIAA, MPAA, UN, etc., etc. and make them to Department of Us Vs. You!?

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Still, the errors led Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., to question whether the department had exaggerated the number of terror cases.

"If the Department of Justice can't even get their own books in order, how are we supposed to have any confidence they are doing the job they should be?" said Schumer, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which oversees the department. "Whether this is just an accounting error or an attempt to pad terror prosecution statistics for some other reason, the Department of Justice of all places should be classifying cases for what they are, not what they want us to think them to be."

Auditors looked at 26 categories of statistics — including numbers of suspects charged and convicted in terror cases, and terror-related threats against cities and other U.S. targets — compiled by the
FBI, Justice's Criminal Division, and the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys.

It found that data from the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys were the most severely flawed. Auditors said the office, which compiles statistics from the 94 federal prosecutors' districts nationwide, both under- and over-counted the number of terror-related cases during a four-year period.

The office has since agreed to change the way it counts and classifies anti-terrorism cases, said department spokesman Dean Boyd.

Boyd denied suggestions that the department pumped up its numbers. He said Criminal Division prosecutors at Justice headquarters and the FBI have overhauled their respective case reporting systems since 2004 for a more accurate picture of terror-related workloads. Both agencies, he said, were strained to accurately report terrorism data in the flood of cases immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"The notion that the Justice Department intentionally inflated its statistics is false and flatly contradicted by the OIG report itself," Boyd said.

In all but one area, Criminal Division prosecutors either accurately stated or underreported their data — the ones the department usually uses in public statements about its counterterror efforts, Boyd noted. He said the Justice Department has already completed most of the fixes recommended in the audit.

Much of the problem stemmed from how that office defines anti-terrorism cases.


That's because no one has seen fit to define what terrorism is and what acts are terrorist acts!  Remember that whole PATRIOT Act thing?  Ya it defined all crime as terrorism!  When were the courts allowed to rule the constitutionality of this "law"...ohh never.  We have secret courts to rule over these "terrorist" cases sure.  Can you appeal them to the Supreme Court?  Negative.

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A November 2001 federal crackdown on security breaches at airports, for example, yielded arrests on immigration and false document charges, but no evidence of terrorist activity. Nonetheless, the attorneys' office lumped them in with other anti-terror cases since they were investigated by federal Joint Terrorism Task Forces or with other counterterror measures.


Again proves my point!  Want to be the perfect terrorist?!  Sneak into the country and work for the frackin airports!  Are we to assume that these terrorists are smart enough to pull off 9/11 but to stupid to take the opportunity to submit an application?

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Other examples, according to the audit, included:

_Charges against a marriage-broker for being paid to arrange six fraudulent marriages between Tunisians and U.S. citizens.

_Prosecution of a Mexican citizen who falsely identified himself as another person in a passport application.

_Charges against a suspect for dealing firearms without a license. The prosecutor handling the case told auditors it should not have been labeled as anti-terrorism.

"We do not agree that law enforcement efforts such as these should be counted as anti-terrorism," the audit concluded. Even if those cases were not taken into account, the audit said, the U.S. attorneys' office had overstated statistics in all other categories it reported.

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The audit can be found at: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/plus/a0720/final.pdf


That's right...this is what we need to give up our rights for.  To be secure...from non-terrorists!!!  How can you have marriage fraud be terrorism?  I don't know...the defendants don't know...the GOVT DOESN'T EVEN KNOW!!!

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Don't know if anyone would find this interest but I did.

I've been doing quite a bit of research on vaccines and whether or not they really work and what they do and the like.  Well what I've found is not good.

I did find this "cool" site:

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/

It's the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.  In the search field just but in the ages of 0 to 100 and you'll get basically all the info you want regarding affects from vaccines reported to VAERS.  It's really really scary.  If anyone wants more information I have a whole slew of it I can torrent over or send online including papers, articles, videos, audio, etc.

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This is what even FOX calls torture...this is what we do to anyone we want:

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And this is the "fake" news show giving you what probably really happens:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-waterboardin.mov

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This is a great video of Ron Paul not playing politics and trying to get the truth to come out in these subcommittees.  He treats the cause rather than the symptoms of our economic woes!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q

This is a man I would follow if he led the Presidency.  He he...cause he would make it so small that he wouldn't ask for followers!

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Meet Julie Amero, substitute teacher

There's a good chance that you've already heard something about Julie. She's perhaps better known as the Connecticut substitute schoolteacher who's been convicted of "child endangerment." She now faces a sentence of up to 40 years in prison because porn pop-ups appeared on a school computer.

For background on the case, you can read articles from the New York Times, MSNBC, or SecurityFocus. (Full disclosure: WSN editorial director Brian Livingston is quoted in the New York Times piece supporting Julie. The article at the MSNBC site is also a good read, but I don't recommend the accompanying video, which starts out with a falsehood and goes downhill from there.)

Let me begin by saying that I'm biased when it comes to Julie's innocence. I'm doing my best to spread the word about her case, and have offered my technical skills to support her defense. I have access to some technical experts who are reviewing the trial transcripts and computer forensic evidence. I can't point to a public reference to support all of my positions yet, so you'll just have to take my word, for the time being.

There are many points I could make about what's wrong with her case. But I'll stick with my core competency and just point out some of the technical flaws.

Flawed technology condemns an educator

The key issues were set in motion before Julie ever arrived to substitute-teach on the day in October 2004 that the pop-ups occurred. The school district had allowed its Web-filtering software support contract to expire, preventing the software from receiving updates. The computer in question was running Windows 98, and the browser in use was IE 6.

According to evidence analysis performed by Alex Shipp, an independent malware researcher, the antivirus software was a trial version of Cheyenne Antivirus (CA). That product had been discontinued by Computer Associates on Mar. 17, 2004. It appears that CA issued a last courtesy update on June 30. Julie taught the class on Oct. 19. The computer had no antispyware software.

In other words, this computer had almost no protection and an unsecurable operating system. This is the machine Julie was given to use.

On the day in question, the regular teacher was there before class to log Julie into the computer. Substitutes didn't have their own accounts, and were ordered not to log out or shut down the computer. Julie left briefly and, when she returned, the regular teacher was gone. She found students, some of whom didn't even belong in the upcoming class, Web surfing on the teacher's computer.

Experts now analyzing the hard-drive image have confirmed that the computer had been infected with adware days before Julie's arrival. Unfortunately, in this case, that means that when a student tried to visit a hairstyle Web site, he or she was instead redirected to a different site that had adult products advertised. When Julie tried to close the site down, this started a pop-up cascade.

One thing I should mention about Julie: She's a total "computerphobe." She can perform basic computing functions, but that's about it.

So what did she do when she couldn't get rid of the pop-ups? She turned the screen away from the students. It was at the front of the room, where the students would have had to be essentially at the teacher's desk in order to see. She did her best to get rid of the images without making it obvious to the students that something was wrong. If a student approached, she reportedly chased them away.

During a break, Julie went for technical help to get rid of the pop-ups, which reappeared as fast as she tried to close them, but she received no help. No one would return to the classroom with her. She was told not to worry about it. However, she was worried about it, and it turns out she had reason to worry — she was later arrested for "child endangerment."

Legal system fails pop-up victim

When law enforcement became involved, sanity should have prevailed. Instead, the technical flubs continued, and the case sped downhill. A detective was assigned to take a forensic image of the computer and perform a technical analysis.

Let me briefly tell you what I know about taking a proper forensic image of a computer that will be involved in a criminal case. Keep in mind that I'm not a forensics expert; these standards are just common knowledge in the computer security field.

If you're going to image a drive for evidence, you have to use special write-blocking hardware that helps take a sector-by-sector image of the entire hard drive, including the "empty" space. The image is then hashed so that any tampering will be evident, and you always work from copies.

Typically, only software tools with support from existing case law are used. Otherwise, questions can arise over the soundness of the tools and techniques. The imaging tools that have case law behind them are EnCase and the Unix dd utility.

The detective in this case took an "image" of the hard drive with Norton Ghost. Norton Ghost is a tool used to back up a computer's hard drive in order to restore it to a known state after people have modified the configuration. It is often used on training or lab machines. There is nothing wrong with Ghost for what it does, but it is not a forensic tool.

So what did the detective use to examine the "image"? He used a program called ComputerCOP Pro. It appears that the program displays a version of the Internet Explorer history, which shows the URLs that were visited. At trial, this ended up translating to the prosecutor telling the jury that this means that Julie "physically clicked" those links. In fact, pop-ups show up in the history the same way as a link you click on.

In truth, the software also cannot tell you who was in front of the computer, who typed in a URL, or who saw the pictures displayed. It's clear that someone who lacks the technical background to properly interpret the results, and is not willing to put in the time to figure it out, can jump to some very wrong conclusions. The detective never even looked for spyware on the computer.

This is the kind of technical evidence on which Julie was convicted.

An innocent teacher awaits sentencing

Julie is now awaiting sentencing, which is scheduled for Mar. 2. I could discuss jail-time possibilities, but many of us are still refusing to accept any possibility other than someone coming to their senses and throwing the verdict out.

To that end, the experts I mentioned are frantically preparing their report on the technical information. The hope is that the prosecution or court will recognize that there has been a basic mistake in the facts presented at trial before a sentence is handed down.

Despite my bias that I told you about, do you have reasonable doubt about Julie's guilt? For more information, see the julieamer blog at Blogspot, which is largely maintained by Julie's husband. There's a PayPal button at the top of that blog so people can contribute to help pay Julie's defense costs, which are reported to be over $20,000 so far.


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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/230207paul.htm

Ron Paul's Pesidential Exploritory Committee.

Listen to what he says and look at his record both previous speaking and voting.  This man is the true underdog, the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington character, in his fight.  His proposed bills never get 2nd because he's taking power out of the politicians hands and tries to give them to the people.

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SANTA ROSA, CA (AP) -- When a few classmates razzed Rebeka Rice about her Mormon upbringing with questions such as, "Do you have 10 moms?" she shot back: "That's so gay."

Those three words landed the high school freshman in the principal's office and resulted in a lawsuit that raises this question: When do playground insults used every day all over America cross the line into hate speech that must be stamped out?

After Rice got a warning and a notation in her file, her parents sued, claiming officials at Santa Rosa's Maria Carillo High violated their daughter's First Amendment rights when they disciplined her for uttering a phrase "which enjoys widespread currency in youth culture," according to court documents.

Testifying last week about the 2002 incident, Rice, now 18, said that when she uttered those words, she was not referring to anyone's sexual orientation. She said the phrase meant: "That's so stupid, that's so silly, that's so dumb."

But school officials say they took a strict stand against the putdown after two boys were paid to beat up a gay student the year before.

"The district has a statutory duty to protect gay students from harassment," the district's lawyers argued in a legal brief. "In furtherance of this goal, prohibition of the phrase `That's so gay' ... was a reasonable regulation."

Superior Court Judge Elaine Rushing plans to issue a ruling in the non-jury trial after final written arguments are submitted in April. Her gag order prevents the two sides from discussing the case.

Derogatory terms for homosexuality have long been used as insults. But the landscape has become confusing in recent years as minority groups have tried to reclaim terms like "queer," "ghetto" and the n-word.

In recent years, gay rights advocates and educators have tried teaching students that it is hurtful to use the word "gay" as an all-purpose term for something disagreeable. At Berkeley High School, a gay student club passed out buttons with the words "That's so gay" crossed out to get their classmates to stop using them.

Rick Ayers, a retired teacher who helped compile and publish the "Berkeley High School Slang Dictionary," a compendium of trendy teen talk circa 2001, said educating students about offensive language is preferable to policing their speech.

"I wouldn't be surprised if this girl didn't even know the origin of that term," he said. "The kids who get caught saying it will claim it's been decontextualized, but others will say, `No, you know what that means.' It's quite talked about."

Rice's parents, Elden and Katherine Rice, also claim the public high school employed a double-standard because, they say, administrators never sought to shield Rebekah from teasing based on Mormon stereotypes.

In addition, the Rices say their daughter was singled out because of the family's conservative views on sexuality. They are seeking unspecified damages and want the disciplinary notation expunged from Rebekah's school record.

Eliza Byard, deputy executive director of the New York-based Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, said nearly nine out of 10 gay students her organization surveyed in 2005 reported hearing "That's so gay" or "You're so gay" frequently.

"It bothers them a lot," Byard said. "As odd or funny as the phrase sounds, imagine what it feels like to be in a setting where you consistently hear it used to describe something undesirable or stupid, and it also refers to you."

She said it is OK to discipline students for using the phrase after efforts have been made to educate them.

"The job of a school is to deal proactively and consistently with all forms of bullying, name-calling and harassment," she said.

Jordan Lorence, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal organization, agreed "That's so gay" carries a negative meaning and said he would not want his children to say it. But he said formal discipline is not the answer.

"Reasonable people should say, `Let's put a stop to this kind of search-and-destroy mission by school officials for everything that is politically incorrect,"' he said.


That's so gay...Oops! Smiley

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That's not just gay, it's also retarded.

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Go back to sleep America...the FDA has all the best intentions for you and your food stuffs....

that's why they are okaying a drug for cows that has a majority of the people who tested it for safety say it's harmful to humans!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/03/AR2007030301311_...

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Your British govt at work!

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EXCLUSIVE Nicola Dowling
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POLICE today issued an unprecedented call for the people of Greater Manchester to help spot terrorists who may be living or working alongside them.

With security experts describing the terror threat to Britain as 'severe', officers say they cannot fight the problem without the eyes and ears of every citizen.

In a new anti-terror drive, a tip-off hotline is being relaunched and an advertising campaign will urge people to report any suspicious behaviour. It asks:

* Do you know anyone who travels but is vague on where they're going?


Like when I ask my neighbor and he's says he's going to the store...WHAT STORE MR BIN LADDEN?!

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* Do you know someone with documents in different names for no obvious reason?


You mean like college students with fake IDs?  Yes I do!!!

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* Do you know someone buying large or unusual quantities of chemicals for no obvious reason?


You mean like the meth heads?  Are they terrorists now too?

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* Handling chemicals is dangerous, maybe you've seen goggles or masks dumped somewhere?


I use to in college...in my chemistry building...you think that's a terrorist training ground?

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* If you work in commercial vehicle hire or sales, has a sale or rental made you suspicious?


Ya know I wondered why a bunch of dark skinned people came in.  They said they were moving out of the south...I now wonder....

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* Have you seen someone with large quantities of mobiles?


Jay Leno is a terrorist!!!

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* Have you seen anyone taking pictures of security arrangements?


Ya in fact I saw this one guy who supposedly worked for the British govt install cameras all over the country and I think some of them...even look at each other!!

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* Do you know someone who visits terrorist-related websites?


Like infowars.com, prisonplanet.com, Al Jezirra.com, and Fark?  Sure do!

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* Have you seen any suspicious cheque or credit card transactions?


Ya there was this lady with like 12 children and she said it was that time of the month to cash her check....you think she's with Al Qaeda?

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* Is someone is asking for a short-term let on a house or flat on a cash basis for no apparent reason?


There were these kids who came to my rental and asked if they could stay there for half a semester?  You think that's terrorist code speak for until the next attack?

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The motto of the campaign is: “You don’t have to be sure. If you suspect it, report it.”


Phew that's good because I don't know half my neighbors and the other half I don't like so I want them to get into trouble for anything I can.  Also there's this person who's really paranoid and keeps talking to the cops...I think he's just trying to divert them to other people so they can get away with being a terrorists!

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Speaking exclusively to the M.E.N, Det ective Chief Supt erintendent Tony Porter, the boss of Greater Manchester’s Counter Terrorism Unit, said: “The help and support of local communities is vital to tackling the terrorist threat.

“When people provide information to the hotline they could be giving us the final piece of a complex jigsaw.

“People are often aware of unusual activity or behaviour, something which may be causing them concern.

“So we are asking people to trust their instincts and call the hotline. Your information may help disrupt terrorists and ultimately save lives.

“I can reassure anyone with concerns that all information provided to the Anti-Terrorist Hotline is treated in the strictest confidence and it is thoroughly researched before any police action is taken.”

The number to call is: 0800 789 321.


So can I finally report the two black guys walking down the street carrying a TV and they look suspicious?  Good.  (Working at 911 one day I actually heard that call.)

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Reply #551 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 12:57pm
 
I don't think you can report women or minorities on the hotline, Stewie.  White heterosexual Christian men only, please!

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So how do you like your socialist government America?!

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2007/03/05/0306lilburn.h...

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This is one of the funniest things I've seen all week!

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Terrorists need computers?!  Oh nose!!!

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Again...this is what socialism gets you and this is what we're going to basically have to the run up of complete tyranny and dictictorial rule in the future if we don't stop it.

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The French Constitutional Council has approved a law that criminalizes the filming or broadcasting of acts of violence by people other than professional journalists. The law could lead to the imprisonment of eyewitnesses who film acts of police violence, or operators of Web sites publishing the images, one French civil liberties group warned on Tuesday.

The council chose an unfortunate anniversary to publish its decision approving the law, which came exactly 16 years after Los Angeles police officers beating Rodney King were filmed by amateur videographer George Holliday on the night of March 3, 1991. The officers’ acquittal at the end on April 29, 1992 sparked riots in Los Angeles.

If Holliday were to film a similar scene of violence in France today, he could end up in prison as a result of the new law, said Pascal Cohet, a spokesman for French online civil liberties group Odebi. And anyone publishing such images could face up to five years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (US$98,537), potentially a harsher sentence than that for committing the violent act.

Senators and members of the National Assembly had asked the council to rule on the constitutionality of six articles of the Law relating to the prevention of delinquency. The articles dealt with information sharing by social workers, and reduced sentences for minors. The council recommended one minor change, to reconcile conflicting amendments voted in parliament. The law, proposed by Minister of the Interior Nicolas Sarkozy, is intended to clamp down on a wide range of public order offenses. During parliamentary debate of the law, government representatives said the offense of filming or distributing films of acts of violence targets the practice of “happy slapping,” in which a violent attack is filmed by an accomplice, typically with a camera phone, for the amusement of the attacker’s friends.

The broad drafting of the law so as to criminalize the activities of citizen journalists unrelated to the perpetrators of violent acts is no accident, but rather a deliberate decision by the authorities, said Cohet. He is concerned that the law, and others still being debated, will lead to the creation of a parallel judicial system controlling the publication of information on the Internet.

The government has also proposed a certification system for Web sites, blog hosters, mobile-phone operators and Internet service providers, identifying them as government-approved sources of information if they adhere to certain rules. The journalists’ organization Reporters Without Borders, which campaigns for a free press, has warned that such a system could lead to excessive self censorship as organizations worried about losing their certification suppress certain stories.


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Feds try during a private meeting to convince sites that allow photos or videos to be uploaded to monitor users, News.com has learned.
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The Bush administration has accelerated its Internet surveillance push by proposing that Web sites must keep records of who uploads photographs or videos in case police determine the content is illegal and choose to investigate, CNET News.com has learned.

That proposal surfaced Wednesday in a private meeting during which U.S. Department of Justice officials, including Assistant Attorney General Rachel Brand, tried to convince industry representatives such as AOL and Comcast that data retention would be valuable in investigating terrorism, child pornography and other crimes. The discussions were described to News.com by several people who attended the meeting.
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Officials from the U.S. Department of Justice held a private meeting to persuade Internet industry representatives to keep records of who uploads photographs or videos.
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The meeting accelerates the Bush administration's effort to require Web sites to keep track of customers' actions on the Internet, a practice known as data retention.

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A second purpose of the meeting in Washington, D.C., according to the sources, was to ask Internet service providers how much it would cost to record details on their subscribers for two years. At the very least, the companies would be required to keep logs for police of which customer is assigned a specific Internet address.

Only universities and libraries would be excluded, one participant said. "There's a PR concern with including the libraries, so we're not going to include them," the participant quoted the Justice Department as saying. "We know we're going to get a pushback, so we're not going to do that."

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has been lobbying Congress for mandatory data retention, calling it a "national problem that requires federal legislation." Gonzales has convened earlier private meetings to pressure industry representatives. And last month, Republicans introduced a mandatory data retention bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would let the attorney general dictate what must be stored and for how long.

Supporters of the data retention proposal say it's necessary to help track criminals if police don't immediately discover illegal activity, such as child abuse. Industry representatives respond by saying major Internet providers have a strong track record of responding to subpoenas from law enforcement.

Wednesday's meeting represents the latest effort by the Bush administration to increase the ability of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to monitor Internet users. Since 2001, the administration has repeatedly pushed for more surveillance capabilities in the form of the Patriot Act and a follow-up proposal that--if it had been enacted--would have given the FBI online eavesdropping powers without a court order for up to 48 hours.

Often invoking terrorism and child pornography as justifications, the administration has argued that Internet providers must install backdoors for surveillance and has called for routers to be redesigned for easier eavesdropping. President Bush's electronic surveillance program, which was recently modified, has drawn an avalanche of lawsuits.
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In events first reported by CNET News.com, Bush administration officials have said Internet providers should keep track of what Americans are doing online. Here's the timeline:

The Justice Department's request for information about compliance costs echoes a decade-ago debate over wiretapping digital telephones, which led to the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act. To reduce opposition by telephone companies, Congress set aside $500 million for reimbursement and the legislation easily cleared both chambers by voice votes.

Once Internet providers come up with specific figures, privacy advocates worry, Congress will offer to write a generous check to cover all compliance costs and the process will repeat itself.

The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment on Thursday. The U.S. Internet Service Provider Association, which has been critical of data retention proposals before, declined to comment.

Because the Justice Department did not circulate a written proposal at the private meeting, it's difficult to gauge the effects on Web sites that would be forced to record information on image uploads for two years. Meeting participants said that Justice officials (including Brand, the assistant attorney general for legal policy and a former White House attorney) did not answer questions about anonymously posted content and whether text comments on a blog would qualify for retention.

In practice, some Web businesses already make it a practice to store personal information forever. Google stores search terms indefinitely, for instance, while AOL says it deletes them after 30 days.

David Weekly, a San Francisco-area entrepreneur who founded popular Wiki-creation site PBWiki.com, said the Justice Department's proposal would be routinely evaded by people who use overseas sites to upload images. (PBWiki, which recently raised $2 million from Mohr Davidow Ventures, lets people embed photographs on pages they create with a point-and-click editor.)

If the proposal were to become law, PBWiki would already be in compliance, Weekly said. "We already keep all that data pretty much indefinitely because it's invaluable for us to mine and figure out how people use services," he said. "How do they use services now versus a year ago? Was February a bad month for traffic?...We already have the data there. It's already searchable. It's already indexed."


Now I normally don't do things like this but SCREW YOU BUSH!!!

http://re3.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/2962975618
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Goodness I hate this country more and more!

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Some parents of an Illinois public high school have accused it of promoting a homosexual agenda during a mandatory freshman orientation class that includes gay students talking about their own experiences.

In classrooms this week, panel sessions at Deerfield High School geared toward helping students adjust to high school will include speakers from a school club, Straight and Gay Alliance, who will openly talk about topics such as being bullied for being gay and being a friend of a homosexual person.

The class is mandatory, but parents can choose to remove their child on days the lessons concern them, school officials said. Some parents are pulling their children out of the program, The Chicago Tribune reported.

The newspaper reported that many parents are upset over the homosexuality discussion, saying it denounces religions that believe homosexual relations to be wrong or immoral.

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Parent Lora Sue Hauser, who heads a group called North Shore Student Advocacy, wants the panel discontinued, saying sexuality issues are better addressed by parents and trained counselors. She said the panel is one of several ways that Deerfield High and other schools treat homosexuality as morally acceptable without presenting the viewpoints of those who disagree.

"The school makes heterosexuality and homosexuality equivalent, and our country is deeply divided on that," Hauser told the Tribune.

She said dozens of parents belong to the advocacy group but fear they will be labeled as haters or religious fanatics if they speak out.

"You can't dump that on a 14-year-old," Hauser said. "These are really difficult waters to navigate."

The Chicago Tribune reported that the school sees the panel as a way to ease the transition into high school. The topic of homosexuality is only one of many subjects covered in the orientation; others include study habits, and becoming getting familiar with the school and its resources.



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Anybody who objects to their personal details going on the new "Big Brother" ID cards database will be banned from having a passport.

More here.... • Cameron to swop ID cards for guards

James Hall, the official in charge of the supposedly-voluntary scheme, said the Government would allow people to opt out - but in return they must "forgo the ability" to have a travel document.

With one in every eight people saying they will refuse to sign-up, up to five million adults could effectively be refused permission to leave the country.

Campaigners reacted to Mr Hall's remarks with fury, saying they were yet more evidence of the lurch towards "Big Brother" Britain.

Phil Booth, of the NO2ID group, said: "The idea that ID cards scheme is voluntary, and people can opt-out, is a joke.

"There are all sorts of reasons why people need to travel, not just for holidays. There is work, visiting relatives.

"What are these people supposed to do? It stretches the definition of voluntary beyond breaking point. They will go to any length to get personal information for this huge database. Who knows what will happen to it then?"

Mr Hall, chief executive of the Identity and Passport Service, delivered his warning during a Downing Street "webchat".

One concerned member of the public, Andrew Michael Edwards, asked what would happen to people who refuse to join the £5.4 billion scheme.

Mr Hall replied: "There is no need to register and have fingerprints taken - but you will forgo the ability to have a passport".

Officials later explained the meaning of his remark.

The first ID cards will be issued in 2009, to anybody who applies for a passport.

People will be required to give fingerprints, biometric details such as a facial scan and a wealth of personal details - including second homes, driving licence and insurance numbers.

All will be stored on a giant ID cards Register, which can be accessed by accredited Whitehall departments, banks and businesses.

While The ID Cards Bill was going through Parliament, peers agreed an "opt out" with Ministers for people who needed a passport, but did not want to participate in the ID cards scheme.

It was the only way the Lords would accept the legislation, amid howls of concern that it represents yet another move towards a surveillance society.

But, as Mr Hall's comments this week make clear, the opt-out only applies to being physically issued with a card.

In order to get a passport, people will still have to hand over all their personal details for storage on the ID cards Register - where they will be treated in the same was as those who agreed to sign-up.

They simply avoid getting the card - even though they will have to pay the full combined price of £93 for an ID card and passport.

It means that, despite the Government repeatedly insisting the scheme is voluntary, the only way to avoid signing-up is to never obtain or renew a passport.

Therefore, anybody who objects to ID cards on principle and wants to keep their personal details private must remain in the UK for the rest of their lives.

Critics said it was clear ID cards were being made compulsory by stealth.

Some 6.6million people apply for travel documents each year.

Mr Booth said legal challenges were inevitable, as restricting the right of free movement is a grave breach of human rights law.

A YouGov survey, published three months ago, found 12 per cent of Britons would refuse to take part in the scheme, even if it meant paying a fine or serving a prison sentence.

Mr Booth predicted many of this group would be prepared to bring test cases to challenge the Government's position in court.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said: "This comment confirms long standing suspicions that the government's claim that the ID database will be voluntary is simply not true. The voluntary claim is serving as a fig leaf for a universal compulsory system.

"Once again the government's ID card plans are being pursued behind the backs of the British people."

Labour has become increasingly obsessed with the introduction of ID cards, claiming they will help to beat fraud and illegal immigration.

But both the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have fiercely opposed the scheme, amid concerns costs could spiral out of control.

Academics have predicted the final bill could reach up to £20 billion.

There are also concerns Ministers could be tempted to strike financial deals to pass on personal details, in a bid to recoup some of the enormous costs.

If the Tories win power, it will be scrapped immediately.

Mr Hall's comments will fuel the suspicion that Ministers are involved in a desperate race against time to get the project off the ground, and get as many people's details as possible before the next General Election.

The Home Office said it had never hidden the fact anybody refusing to give their biometric and other personal details to the ID cards database would not be eligible for a passport.

A spokesman said it was more cost effective to link the issuing of passports and ID cards, rather than allow people to register their details for one but not the other.


This is exactly what's going to happen to us when the National ID Act is fully implemented in 2008.  Also this is what is going to happen with the Mark of the Beast (although there we don't just no food or goods we get death.)  But with the National ID cards coming soon it's going to be, "Well it's voluntary unless you want to drive, vote, open up bank accounts, get loans, get a mortgage, etc.  This is what the people in power will do to us.  So fight it now.

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LONDON (AFP) - Gordon Brown, likely to be the next prime minister, will deliver a speech calling for a "new world order" to combat global warming on Monday.
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According to excerpts released by the finance ministry, Chancellor of the Exchequer Brown will also say the
United Nations should make the fight against global warming a core "pillar" of its international mission.

Brown will praise the
European Union's progress in combatting climate change after EU leaders on Friday agreed to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 20 percent by 2020, compared to 1990 levels.

He is set to announce domestic policy proposals that are targetted at helping Britons save energy, thereby cutting their individual carbon emissions, ahead of the government's publication of its Climate Change Bill on Tuesday.

"People want to make the right choices and they want help to take the right decisions," Brown will say.

"Government must provide practical help with, wherever possible, incentives in preference to penalties."

Brown is the favourite to be Britain's next prime minister, as
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So when I claim there is a New World Order...I'm a nut.

When an ambassador and a President say it...they're not?

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/120307Chip.htm

Ok this video's main point, which Verichip had on its main site before they took it down is that if patients can't or won't speak then they'll have the chip....so how are the doctors going to know they have a chip in them?

Later in the movie it says everyone will be scanned.  I don't know about you but I know of a rare few people who have taken the chip so far.  I doubt the hospitals have the scanning devices.

Don't diabetics and other major medical concerned people have bracelets saying "diabetic" or "cancer" or what not?  Indeed they do.  So why is that not simpler to wear than sticking a chip that could be manipulated into you, contrary to what the video said about it being secure.

Another great thing about this video, remember how it was used on Verichip's site, was that it protested a bit about competition over producing the chips.  It's it just the American way to have one company and damn the freedom of choice and competition!!

These are just a few of the problems I have with this ONE "commercial".
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Officials said Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) and other members of the leadership had decided to strip from a major military spending bill a requirement for Bush to gain approval from Congress before moving against Iran.



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*looks around*

Soo uhh where are the two parties that this country is suppose to be founded on?!

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Well at least here's some good news.  Remember the French socialist?  No not that one...no...not that one either...no...ok yes French and socialist are basically the same thing but the chick who needed some photoshop done for her looks!

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By Martin Arnold in Méaulte

Published: March 12 2007 20:24 | Last updated: March 12 2007 20:24

Ségolène Royal’s faltering presidential campaign was dealt a further blow on Monday as François Hollande, the leader of her Socialist party and father of her children, admitted he was worried she would be knocked out in the first round of France’s election next month.

The comments underlined how worried Ms Royal’s campaign team is about the surprise surge in opinion polls by François Bayrou, candidate of the centrist UDF party, who has caught up with her in opinion polls and been dubbed the third man of the campaign.

Mr Hollande evoked the memory of the socialists’ disastrous performance in the last presidential elections, when far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen came second, eliminating Lionel Jospin, the former prime minister.

He said: “I’ve considered for a long time the prospect of another April 21st” – the date of the last election.

Mr Bayrou, who analysts say is collecting support from voters dissatisfied with the two mainstream party candidates, came level with Ms Royal in a poll published at the weekend.

Analysts interpreted Mr Hollande’s admission as an attempt to rally wavering Socialist voters by reminding them of the risks of her losing if they did not back her in the first round.

Nicolas Sarkozy, candidate of the ruling centre-right UMP party, has also seen Mr Bayrou erode his polling figures. On Monday he won the official backing of Dominique de Villepin, the prime minister and protégé of Jacques Chirac, the outgoing president.

The latest poll, published yesterday by Le Figaro, gave Mr Sarkozy 27 per cent, against 25.5 per cent for Ms Royal and 23 per cent for Mr Bayrou. Mr Le Pen was fourth with 12 per cent.
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Or multiple parties! There shouldn't be a red state blue state competition. But those days are gone. I am still for a limit on years served in politics overall. 6 or 8 years maybe. And No outside contributions. Candidates all get equal amount of funding and airtime. There should be a couple local primaries and then statewide primaries to filter out the chaff. That way we don't have presidents with commitments to companies and individuals for contributions.

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BAH HA HA HA HA!

Briney stop trying to be so...so...logical with everything!  I care about what my candidate looks like!  I want a candidate who says that he hates what rich America is doing to us Middle Class folks when he is in the upper echelon.  I care what he says not what he does.  I care about the elite maintaining their power not for the little man to rise up and become President on less than a million dollars.  I care about the hipness of the candidate that's why I vote for whoever the kids like on MTV.  P. Diddy's Vote Or Die spoke to me and that's why I'm polikacal.

Goooooo Rich full head of hair guys!!!

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Ok so I know I'm not a cop yet.  I also know different departments have different response scenarios.

However I do believe this is over excessive.

http://www.break.com/index/drunk_chick_gets_tazed.html

You have what looks like 2 male cops and another female one, although I don't think she's a police officer so let's say there are 2 male cops in the room.  One of them had an easy time maintaining a grip on her.  So why didn't one cop just get one side and the other the other.  Nooo because tasers solve everything and should be used whenever you like because they haven't caused people to die who had unknown conditions (sometimes even the cops knew like the pregnant lady or the guy in the wheel chair).  Them tasering her knocked her out cold and she could have injured herself severely.  Like I said...I'm not a cop yet...but I hope I never have the mind set of these two guys.

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San Francisco , CA (NewsBlaze) - San Francisco joined the Bay Area cities of Berkeley, Oakland, Palo Alto and San Jose yesterday when its Board of Supervisors unanimously approved a resolution endorsing creation of a cabinet-level U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence. By doing so, this sixth-largest metropolitan area in the country (encompassing some 5.4 million residents) joined the ranks of 20 cities voicing support for HR 808, legislation that focuses on innovative and proactive approaches to violence prevention.

"We have to remind elected officials of all parties that peace is patriotic...." said HR 808 co-sponsor Rep. Barbara Lee after the bill was reintroduced in Congress on February 5 th. "If we had a Department of Peace, we'd be dealing in a real way with gun violence, and domestic violence, child abuse, elder abuse, and all the awful violence that's taking place because of the cutbacks of funding and disinvestment in the American people. In the words of the great warrior for peace Dr. Martin Luther King, peace is not just the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice. A Department of Peace would embody that ideal."

According to the resolution, introduced by board member Michela Alioto-Pier, the city would benefit from a U.S Department of Peace in many ways, including "...development of conflict resolution and violence prevention initiatives..." and by funding already existing programs aimed at reducing crimes such as domestic violence, school shootings and gang violence.

Attending yesterday's vote was Bay Area resident Judy Kimmel, Outreach and Development Director for The Peace Alliance, the citizen action organization spearheading the national campaign for a U.S. Department of Peace. "The Board of Supervisors' vote endorsing creation of a U.S. Department of Peace was heartfelt and inspiring, and represents the final keystone uniting the entire Bay Area in a call for a federally-lead comprehensive, proactive and sophisticated approach to stopping violence in our community before it erupts."

"We recently read in many major newspapers that violent crime in cities in surging," said Dot Maver, Executive Director of The Peace Alliance. "For a tiny slice of our discretionary spending ($8 billion, or less than one percent of the U.S. budget), we can significantly reduce violence in our homes, in our schools, in our communities, our nation, and throughout the world. Cities around the country are recognizing the practical value of this legislation. People of every political persuasion want a U.S. Department of Peace and are willing to work for it."

Domestically the department will research, propose and facilitate practical, field-tested solutions to reduce conflict, providing financial and institutional heft to strengthen and complement our current efforts to deal with all forms of domestic violence and discord. And it will help develop curricula to educate students in grades K-12 on how to resolve conflict peacefully through peer mediation, and training in alternative dispute resolution techniques and non-violent communication skills.

Internationally, a Department of Peace will advise the president and Congress on the most innovative techniques to establish and promote peace among nations, and will research and analyze the root causes of war to help prevent conflicts from escalating to the point of violence.

It will create a Peace Academy, on par with the Military Service Academies, to build a world-class faculty of peace-building experts, many of whom currently live in the United States. They will analyze peace-building at the highest level, advise other branches of government, and train civilian peacekeepers and the military for domestic and international service.

House Resolution 808 currently enjoys the support of 60 Congressional co-sponsors, including Rep. Susan A. Davis [CA-53-D, Rep. Sam Farr, [CA-17-D], Rep. Bob Filner, [CA-51-D], Rep. Michael M. Honda, [CA-15-D], Rep. Barbara Lee, [CA-9-D], Rep. George Miller, [CA-7-D], Rep. Brad Sherman, [CA-27-D], Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher, [CA-10-D], Rep. Maxine Waters, [CA-35-D], Rep. Diane E. Watson, [CA-33-D], and Rep. Lynn C. Woolsey, [CA-6-D].

The Peace Alliance is a nonprofit, non-partisan organization spearheading the national campaign for a U.S. Department of Peace and Nonviolence. For more information on this legislation and our campaign, please visit the Peace Alliance website at: www.thepeacealliance.org.

For more information about California for a Department of Peace, visit: www.afdop.org


Screw that!  Bring back the Department of WAR!

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Shoot if they think adding another Cabinet level position would actually matter just look at Department of Urban Housing And Development.  Does anyone even know, besides me he he, who runs it or what they do.  Not to mention I would think the State Dept and the Defense Dept have people on their staff advising the President whether or not action should be taken and what other types of fallout there would be.

But if those hippies actually think the Presidents listen to their cabinets more than their globalist, baking, controllers they're delusional...ha ha hippies you aren't delusional...ya right!

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March 19, 2007 05:16 PM

ANTIOCH, Tenn.- Some people in a Nashville neighborhood are furious over a new rule that makes it illegal to own a gun.

Residents in Nashboro Village said it's unconstitutional and leaves them defenseless.

Two weeks ago, residents received a letter from their homeowners' association indicating that guns are not allowed on the property.

"It thought it was ironic that they say you can't have something when the United States government says you can," said resident Cristina Salajanu.

Salajanu would like to give her neighborhood management company a history lesson.

"I think it's unconstitutional," Salajanu said. "They can't tell you what to own or not to own in your own house."

Salajanu is talking about the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment, which grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms.  It's been an American freedom for 215 years but Salajanu and other residents said it's been taken away from them.

"Something needs to be done," she said.

Two weeks ago, the property management company at Nashboro Village told its residents no more guns on the property.

"It incensed me that it was written the way it was," said a resident who asked not to be identified.

She said there is a serious need to feel protected here and a firearm can do that.

"We've got dark areas, the lighting is very definitely very dim," she said.

Salajanu said that burglaries started to increase since late summer...

She said she believes her neighborhood has changed since she moved in last year.

"Three weeks ago someone was stopped at gunpoint," Salajanu said. "It seems the nature of those burglaries is becoming more dangerous."

Some residents at Nashboro Village have campaigned for better lighting and more security but if they can't get either they at least want their Second Amendment rights upheld.

"If I'm walking if I'm walking my dog or if I am outside walking and if I don't feel safe and I'm licensed then I'll carry a gun," said the resident who did not want her identity disclosed.

Officials with Ghertner and Company, the property manager at Nashboro Village, would not make an on-camera comment about the gun policy but said they plan on changing the rule soon to allow firearms on the property.

However, they would make it illegal to fire those guns, which residents say is still unconstitutional.

Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that.


Like it or not people the 2nd Amendment is still on the books.  Why don't these people outlaw racial terms or search and seizure laws that allow anyone into their homes without a warrant...why not outlaw property rights.  Why not just go in and shoot the bastards who let their dogs run free and crap all over people's lawns.  Why not?  Because we still have a little law left to protect us!!!

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Reply #569 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 8:25am
 
Although I don't contest the legality of the Home Owner's Association's (HOA) decision, I most certainly do contest the sensibility of it.  The HOA just took the sole responsibility of protecting every person living in that community.  If someone is harmed or killed that could've been armed, the HOA is going to be on the receiving end of a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

I will never buy a house in a community with an HOA.  Ever.  I would suggest you guys adopt the same policy, using this as a perfect example.  Why would anyone want to arbitrarily install another level of government above themselves?

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Reply #570 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 1:55pm
 
You got that right bob.  However I knew quite a few people when I was interning for KDPS and they were just Nazis about the local laws like grass cuttings, lawn parking, political signs in yards.  These people thrive on caring too much what their neighbors are doing.  These are the types of people who live in gated communities and their rule book looks like War And Peace.

I still don't see how they can make it illegal to own a gun though.  You think that if the govt can't do it to people who live in school zones that a private organization couldn't do it there without the lawmakers agreeing that the right of the state/place outweighs the right of the people.

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Reply #571 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 2:30pm
 
The US Constitution (namely, the Bill of Rights) only protects us from the FedGov, and the state constitution only protects us from the state government.  This doesn't take preemption into consideration, of course.

If you move into a community with an HOA and sign a binding contract to abide by that community's rules, you're pretty much screwed.

HOA's can serve a valid purpose when it comes to "community standards" such as ensuring that your neighbor doesn't have 50 rusted out vehicles sitting in the back yard, but they typically don't have limits on their power to protect homeowners.

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and you wouldn't believe how much people bitch when you ask them to not leave 40 rusted out cars in their yard; it all leads to headaches...




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WTF is that!?!?!?

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The retarded swear filter was enabled.  It must've gotten turned back on when I upgraded the forum a few weeks back.  It's fixed.

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hmm...lets test this, crap damn piss!



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BARBRA STRIZAND!

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Oh no, it's Mecha-Barbara Streisand!

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Brooksville, Florida proposes to foreclose homes and seize cars over less than $20 in parking tickets.

The Newspaper |March 23, 2007

The city council in Brooksville, Florida voted this week to advance a proposal granting city officials the authority to place liens and foreclose on the homes of motorists accused of failing to pay a single $5 parking ticket. Non-homeowners face having their vehicles seized if accused of not paying three parking offenses.

According to the proposed ordinance, a vehicle owner must pay a parking fine within 72 hours if a meter maid claims his automobile was improperly parked, incurring tickets worth between $5 and $250. Failure to pay this amount results in the assessment of a fifty-percent "late fee." After seven days, the city will place a lien on the car owner's home for the amount of the ticket plus late fees, attorney fees and an extra $15 fine. The fees quickly turn a $5 ticket into a debt worth several hundred dollars, growing at a one-percent per month interest rate. The ordinance does not require the city to provide notice to the homeowner at any point so that after ninety days elapse, the city will foreclose. If the motorist does not own a home, it will seize his vehicle after the failure to pay three parking tickets.

Any motorist who believes a parking ticket may have been improperly issued must first pay a $250 "appeal fee" within seven days to have the case heard by a contract employee of the city. This employee will determine whether the city should keep the appeal fee, plus the cost of the ticket and late fees, or find the motorist not guilty. Council members postponed a decision on whether to reduce this appeal fee until final adoption of the measure which is expected in the first week of April.

The full text of the ordinance is available in a 605k PDF file at the source link below.

Source: Ordinance No. 743 (Brooksville, Florida City Council, 3/19/2007)


This is not only the stupidest thing I've ever heard but is also one of the most illegal "laws" I've ever seen!  You cannot charge people to file an appeal.  That would mean that the poor would be at a disadvantage to the wealthy in the justice system.  Not to mention you have to pay the ticket in 3 days but you have up to 7 days to file an appeal?  That would mean you house could be taken away 4 days earlier than you would need to appeal.  But that whole $250 "appeal fee" is unconstitutional and illegal.  I hope people fight that.  Also, this is what eminent domain brings about.  Oops didn't mow your lawn...ya we're taking your house and since you are homeless we're taking the kids away from you as well.  Oops and you also need a place of residence to have a job...guess you're out of that as well.  Now we're going to charge you $5,383 for misc fees!  Maw ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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"Rich Justice" is nothing new.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

Join the police force of the NWO...confiscate guns from hurricane survivors, beat up old ladies, and enter people's houses illegally!  Get in trouble?!  Heck you're on our side boys...go ahead and rape a few poor black people too!

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Somebody who is obviously opposed to the red-light cameras designed to enforce traffic laws have found a new tool to express their displeasure:  stickers.

At the intersection of Quail and Coors, somebody has placed preprinted stickers on signs that originally read “Photo Enforced.”  Now they read, “Big-Brother Enforced.”

“We don’t find that humorous whatsoever,” comments Albuquerque Police Department spokesman John Walsh. 

It’s not the first attack on the cameras that some equate with Orwellian government tactics.  Some people have smeared their license plates with goo designed to blur pictures, others have written letters to the editor and yet others have even shot at the cameras with paintball guns.

Walsh says that anyone caught vandalizing the devices can be fined up to $300 and potentially spend 90 days in jail.

Walsh also warns that it’s just a matter of time before the sticker vandals are snagged by the very devices they dislike so much:  If someone is vandalizing a camera while the device detects a speeder or red-light runner, they could have their picture snapped. 

“They’re running the risk of being caught on the camera themselves,” said Walsh.


That is AWESOME!

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Fortunately, ski mask technology is still available to us lowly citizens.

It could be worse for the .gov, Americans could start doing the same thing the Brits are doing to speed cameras...

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

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Wow I just gain a bit more respect for Texas!

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Reuters | March 27, 2007
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Criminals in Texas beware: if you threaten someone in their car or office, the citizens of this state where guns are ubiquitous have the right to shoot you dead.

Governor Rick Perry's office said on Tuesday that he had signed a new law that expands Texans' existing right to use deadly force to defend themselves "without retreat" in their homes, cars and workplaces.

"The right to defend oneself from an imminent act of harm should not only be clearly defined in Texas law, but is intuitive to human nature," Perry said on his Web site.

The new law, which takes affect on September 1, extends an exception to a statute that required a person to retreat in the face of a criminal attack. The exception was in the case of an intruder unlawfully entering a person's home.

The law extends a person's right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force, the governor's office said.

The reasonable use of lethal force will be allowed if an intruder is:

- Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes

- Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place

- Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.

The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully slays an intruder or attacker in such situations.

Texas joins several other states including Florida that have or are considering similar laws.

Sympathy for violent offenders and criminals in general runs low in Texas, underscored by its busy death row. The state leads the United States in executions with 388 since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976 by the U.S. Supreme Court.

A conservative political outlook and widespread fondness for hunting also means Texans are a well-armed people capable of defending themselves with deadly force.

It is easy to acquire guns over the counter in Texas and lawful to carry a concealed handgun with a permit.


Now if they could only through out their governor.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2398883.ece

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In an interview with The Independent, leading Seaman Specialist Faye Turney described how the crew of HMS Cornwall were well aware of the perils of operating in an area that had been targeted by suicide bombers. The 25-year-old mother, one of 15 sailors and Marines captured on Friday off the coast of Iraq, said: "I know by doing this job I can give [my daughter] everything she wants in life and hopefully by seeing me doing what I do, she'll grow up knowing that a woman can have a family and have a career at the same time."


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She's the one that Iran is claiming to release sometime today too.  This is clearly a false flag operation and now Shawn "Insanity" Hanity is calling for us to attack Iran!  How fun...how much blood lust can these people have?!

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blood lust is the in thing right now, you better watch it, bush i gonna declare war on her any day now...
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Not to throw a wrench into the conspiracy theory, but Iran is openly and publicly admitting to taking those troops.  Do you think the British government (or US, whatever) purposely put them out there to get snatched?  Of all the troops running interference on the sea at the moment, what is the likelihood that Iran would coincidentally grab the exact troops the Brits/US wanted them too?

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Well don't forget Israel sent their troops into Lebanon, and they were kidnapped, which started that whole shebang.

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Well first of all I would suggest we are not hearing the entire story about this whole thing.  First of all this is the one area where Iran contests its holding with another country.  If you remember this is what we did in the months following the 2nd war with Iraq.  We purposely made UN flights fly into the set up no fly zones for Iraq.  However Iraq didn't recognize them and rightly so since it'd be like another country telling us we couldn't use half of our legal airspace to run planes through.  They scrabbled fighters and tried shooting down the plane.  So that was just one plane in the air...this was just one boat on the sea. 

Also if things are so hot right now with the country of Iran wouldn't you want to tiptoe around the proverbial cat to your mouse?  Would you make absolutely sure that unless you absolutely need to violate the territory that you would make sure everyone stayed away from it?

Also I wouldn't even suggest that these are the only troops violating Iranian territory.  I've read some articles with tongue in cheek saying that the US had secret Delta force guys in the country poking and prodding.

I am glad that Iran came out and said "umm are these yours?"  What would happen if we were a country who just allowed illegal people to enter our country.  Ok bad example.  Look at us today we allow the Chinese to steal our nuclear secrets with the help of the President even (Los Almos + Printer + Clinton = free plots at Arlington Cemetery for some Chinese).  Then we have our boarders and troops both Chinese and Mexican coming and shooting across the boarder; plus we're training a few more countries troops in our country as well.  The only spies we do publicly oust are American's spying for X country.  If you think the world doesn't use spies like they did during the Cold War you are mistaken.  And just like the Cold War there are unwritten rules to the game with the bigger countries.

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The border between Iran and Iraq's waters is very clear and has been defined for years.  Just because Iran wants to encroach on Iraq's waters doesn't mean that Iraq, the US, or Britain should tiptoe around the "disputed area" just to be nice.

Screw that.  If you "claim" some of my property, then kidnap some of my soldiers from that property, you'd better believe I'm going to nuke your butt back into the stone age.

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Ya...the factories, the homes, the other businesses, Home Depot..ya basically.
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There's a Home Depot in Sturgis?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzfS8ZhRSg

Ron Paul on Bill Maher.  More and more I am wishing that he will win the nomination...and the more I wish...the less I see it happening.  I think Bill needs to learn what is actually private run and govt run the next time he does an interview on the subject.

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AVON PARK - Desre’e Watson better hold on, there may be tough times ahead. She is just 6-years-old, and was just arrested and put in jail. “I was scared,” she recalled.

Desre’e goes to school at Avon Elementary. Police say she had a run in with a teacher, got angry, and began kicking and scratching. She even hit a teacher who tried to intervene.

It’s hard for her mom to believe. “She never falls out. She is very respectful. I tell her to do anything, she do it,” offered mother Lateshia Wilson.

When school officials couldn’t get her under control, they called in the police as a last resort. Officers say Desre’e just wouldn’t calm down, so they handcuffed her and put her into a cruiser.

Next, they say she began to kick the door.

She was booked into the Highlands County Jail, just like an adult, and charged with a felony and two misdemeanors.

“I was very upset and felt like they violated my baby’s rights,” said Wilson. “I am very upset about it.”

So upset, she called the NAACP to investigate.

Police say when Desre’e hit and kicked a teacher, she committed a crime. So, they had every right to arrest her.

http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=3804


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How this for giving up freedom for "security"!

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The Inquirer | April 2, 2007
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THE US Department of Homeland Security is insisting that Verisign hand over the master keys of the Internet.

If it succeeds, the US will be able to track DNS Security Extensions (DNSSec) all the way back to the servers that represent the name system's root zone on the Internet.

Effectively it would mean that US spooks could snoop on anyone in the Worldwide wibble and place control of the Interweb tubes firmly in the paws of the US government.

The information that Homeland security is after the "key-signing key", currently held by Verisign, was revealed to the the meeting of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) in Lisbon.

Not surprisingly other countries in the world are a little concerned about this. According to the German magazine Heise Online, a representative of the EU Commission said that the matter is being discussed with EU member states.

The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), which handles route management within the ICANN, could be entrusted with the task of keeping the keys. But the US authorities claims the right to oversee ICANN/IANA.


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When two policemen turned up unannounced at Alan Rawlinson's home asking to speak to his young son, the company director feared something serious had happened.

So he was astounded when the officers detailed 11-year-old George's apparent crime - calling one of his schoolfriends 'gay'.

They said primary school pupil, George, was being investigated for a 'very serious' homophobic crime after using the comment in an e-mail to a 10-year-old classmate.

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'Terrified': George Rawlinson with his mother Gaynor, who is a magistrate


But now his parents have hit out at the police, who they accused of being heavy-handed and pandering to political correctness.

"It is completely ridiculous," Mr Rawlinson said.

"I thought the officers were joking at first, but they told me they considered it a very serious offence.

"The politically correct brigade are taking over. This seemed like a huge waste of resources for something so trivial as a playground spat."

Cheshire police launched the investigation last month after a complaint from the parents of the 10-year-old younger boy who received George's e-mail.

They said their son had been called a 'gay boy' and were concerned that there was more to the comment than playground banter and that their child was being bullied.

As a consequence, two officers were sent to the boys' school, Farnworth Primary, in Widnes, Cheshire, to speak to the headteacher who directed them to the Rawlinsons' home in nearby St Helens, Merseyside.

George told his parents that the comment was in no way meant to be homophobic and that he had simply been using the word gay instead of 'stupid'.

Mr Rawlinson, 41, who runs his own business, and whose wife, Gaynor, also 41, is a magistrate, said his son was terrified when the police arrived at their home.

He feared he was going to be arrested and locked up in a cell because of it, he added. "I feel very aggrieved about this," Mr Rawlinson, who has lodged a formal complaint against the police, said.

"We are law-abiding citizens who have paid taxes all our lives.

"I've constantly contacted police about break-ins at my business and never get a suitable response.

"George was really upset, he thought he was going to be locked up. This just seemed like a huge waste of resources for something so trivial."

Inspector Nick Bailey, of Cheshire police, said no further action would be taken against George. However, he said the force had been obliged to record the incident as a crime and that they had dealt with it in a 'proportionate' manner.

"The parents of the boy believed it was more sinister that just a schoolyard prank," Inspector Bailey said.

"We were obliged to record the matter as a crime and took a proportionate and maybe old fashioned view.

"Going to the boy's house was a reasonable course of action to take. This e-mail message was part of some behaviour which had been on going.

"The use of the word 'gay' would imply that it was homophobic, but we would be hard pushed to say it was a homophobic crime.

"This boy has not been treated as an offender."

This is a latest in a series of incidents where police have been accused of heavy handedness for interviewing or threatening children with prosecution for seemingly trivial crimes.

Last October the Daily Mail revealed how 14-year-old Codie Scott was arrested and thrown in a police cell for almost four hours after she was accused of racism for refusing to sit next to a group of Asian pupils in her class.

Teachers reported the youngster, from Harrop Fold High School in Worsley, Greater Manchester, after she claimed it was impossible for her to get involved in the class 'discussion' because only one of the Asian pupils spoke English.

She had her fingerprints and DNA taken but was eventually released without charge.

The incident followed that of a 15-year-old boy from Burnley, Lancashire, who was arrested, thrown in a police cell, hauled before the courts and landed with a criminal record simply for throwing a snowball at a car.

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was prosecuted under a little used 160-year-old law last March, and fined £100 in a case which provoked a public outcry.

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What ever happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me?"

This, my friends, is the pinnacle of stupidity.

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Has this entire country become Kalifornia?!

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I see something weird...A white woman on a sign in a predominately black city!  Why?  Does this mean that white people should watch black people more since they're the ones probably making the bombs?  He he ...sorry still laughing at the BoS Militant Black Guy vid I posted.

But I do see something weird...a person staring at me with no nose or mouth!  What good is she?  If she sees anything...she can't say anything!

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...but apparently only the fat trailer trash girls.  That's alright, it leaves more "prime pickin's" for us.

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http://www.alternet.org/story/50056/

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Thursday, April 05, 2007

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ST. LOUIS — Fifteen members of the St. Louis police department were disciplined Wednesday, after officers seized World Series tickets from scalpers and gave them to friends and family.

St. Louis Police Chief Joe Mokwa suspended eight officers without pay for two weeks for giving away the Cardinals tickets, which should have been stored as evidence. He recommended their rank be reduced for at least a year. They could lose up to $20,000 each in pay.

A lieutenant and three sergeants also await punishment for failure to supervise. Another three officers will be disciplined for violating an internal procedure.

The names of those involved were not made public. Mokwa says the St. Louis Circuit Attorney's office will review the matter to recommend if any criminal charges should be filed.

The department said its internal affairs division started investigating last November after receiving a complaint.

"This is a very emotional time for the Department and for me because families and careers are impacted by this disciplinary action," Mokwa said in a statement.

Mokwa's recommendations will be made to the Police Board on the grounds that the officers violated ethical standards and evidence handling procedures.

The president of the St. Louis Police Officers' Association, Sgt. Kevin Ahlbrand, said the association is satisfied the punishment is in line with the offense.

Tickets are no longer torn at Busch Stadium but are electronically scanned. The tickets were stored as evidence after they were used but should have been stored immediately after being confiscated, police have said.

Face value of World Series tickets at Busch Stadium ranged from $50 to $250 each. The Cardinals hosted three games during their World Series win over Detroit last October.


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I think we should have a huge bureau.  Some sort of bureau that finds missing items.  For example, the hundreds of laptops the IRS has "misplaced" (newspeak term meaning LOST).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070405/tc_infoworld/87457

We keep loosing a lot of things in the federal government.  Nuclear disks and computers at Los Alamos 4 times, veteran info and SSN, current military info and SSN, billions of dollars in defense spending, etc., etc. etc.

How about this...until you find everything...we don't allow you to have any new toys or money for them.  Oh, I forgot, we also lost our balls along with our freedom somewhere down the road...oh well I guess I'll just go back to sleep then.

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How the heck do you misplace a server? That's absolutely ridiculous, and somebody needs to lose their job for even suggesting that such a thing can be "misplaced."

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Oh, I forgot, we also lost our balls along with our freedom somewhere down the road...oh well I guess I'll just go back to sleep then.


Well, Pat, if you lost 'em, you're going to have to find them before we give you a new pair.

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Do you guys remember the black firefighter from LA that won $2.7 million when his coworkers served him dogfood?  If not, here's the original story....

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dogfood9nov09,1,4660029.story

Anyway, it looks like the prank wasn't racially motivated at all.  Somebody sent pictures to a radio show in LA that shows him participating in a prank of his own against a white coworker.  Namely, shaving!

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/tennie-pierce-purported-prankster/

That's racist!

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April 10 (Bloomberg) -- President Vladimir Putin has already brought Russian newspapers and television to heel. Now he's turning his attention to the Internet.

As the Kremlin gears up for the election of Putin's successor next March, Soviet-style controls are being extended to online news after a presidential decree last month set up a new agency to supervise both mass media and the Web.

``It's worrying that this happened ahead of the presidential campaign,'' Roman Bodanin, political editor of Gazeta.ru, Russia's most prominent online news site, said in a telephone interview. ``The Internet is the freest medium of communication today because TV is almost totally under government control, and print media largely so.''

All three national TV stations are state-controlled, and the state gas monopoly, OAO Gazprom, has been taking over major newspapers; self-censorship is routine. That has left the Internet as the main remaining platform for political debate, and Web sites that test the boundaries of free speech are already coming under pressure.

In December, a court in the Siberian region of Khakassia shut down the Internet news site Novy Fokus for not registering as a media outlet. The site, known for its critical reporting, reopened in late March after it agreed to register and accept stricter supervision.

Plug Pulled

Anticompromat.ru, which wrote about Putin's pre-presidential business interests, had to find a U.S. Web server after a Russian service provider pulled the plug March 28, saying it had been warned by officials to stop hosting the site.

Last year, the authorities shut down a Web site called Kursiv in the city of Ivanovo, northeast of Moscow, that lampooned Putin as a ``phallic symbol of Russia'' for his drive to boost the birthrate.

Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said Russia isn't restricting media freedom and that the new agency isn't aimed at policing the Web.

``If you watch TV, even federal TV channels, you'll hear lots of criticism of the government,'' Peskov said in an interview. ``This new agency will be in charge of licensing. It's not about controlling the Internet.''

Putin, 54, isn't allowed to run for re-election in 2008 under Russia's two-term constitutional limit. Instead, he is promoting two potential successors: First Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, a 41-year-old lawyer, and Sergei Ivanov, 54, a KGB colleague of Putin who oversees much of Russian industry, including transport and nuclear power. The two, who both come from Putin's hometown of St. Petersburg, have become fixtures on state-controlled television.

Gorbachev's Complaint

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, whose policy of glasnost, or openness, ushered in media freedom in the late 1980s after decades of Soviet censorship, has condemned the state propaganda on the airwaves.

``The one thing I can say is that it's pointless today to watch television,'' Gorbachev, 76, said on the 20th anniversary of the launch of ``perestroika,'' his drive to allow more political and economic freedom that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

While most Russians rely on television for news, increasing numbers are turning to the Internet. Around a quarter of the adult population -- 28 million people -- are regular Internet users, according to the Public Opinion Foundation, a Moscow-based research organization. In 2002, only 8 percent fell into that category.

A Mass Medium

``When the Internet becomes more of a mass medium, then governments start getting worried, and they start treating it like the mass media,'' said Esther Dyson, who helped establish the Internet's system of domain names and addresses, and has consulted extensively in Russia.

``You can't control the Internet, but you can control people,'' she said in a telephone interview during a visit to Moscow.

Oleg Panfilov, head of the Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations in Moscow, predicted in a telephone interview that ``pressure on the media is going to worsen'' as the presidential succession draws nearer.

Reporters who write critically about government policies are subjected to intimidation, arrests, attacks and other forms of pressure, the Vienna-based International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights said March 27 in its annual report.

Facing Prison

Viktor Shmakov, editor of the newspaper Provintsialny Vesti in the oil-rich Bashkortostan republic, is facing up to 10 years in prison. Prosecutors charged him with inciting mass disturbances after his weekly urged readers to attend an opposition rally last year.

Russia is the second most dangerous country for journalists after Iraq, with 88 killed in the past 10 years, according to the Brussels-based International News Safety Institute.

Last October, Anna Politkovskaya, a prominent reporter and Kremlin critic who uncovered human-rights abuses by security forces in the southern Russian republic of Chechnya, was shot dead in the elevator of her apartment building in Moscow.

A journalist for the Kommersant daily, Ivan Safronov, who was investigating Russian weapons sales to Iran and Syria, fell to his death from a window in his Moscow apartment March 2.

The government, meanwhile, has been expanding Gazprom's media role. The company already took control of independent channel NTV in 2001 and bought long-established Russian daily Izvestia in 2005.

Last year, Kommersant, once owned by tycoon and exiled Kremlin critic Boris Berezovsky, was sold to Alisher Usmanov, a steel magnate who is head of a Gazprom subsidiary. And Gazprom said in November it will acquire Russia's biggest-selling daily, Komsomolskaya Pravda, which has a circulation of 800,000.

Vladimir Rakhmankov, editor of the Web site that lost its Russian server after mocking Putin, said the Web crackdown is part of the final phase of a campaign to stifle free speech.

``Thank God the Internet is difficult to close down, but I think they will go after journalists who write things they don't like,'' he said.

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they are taking our free speech, what next our pr0n?!


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RUSSIA STROOOOOOONG!



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UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon asked New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Wednesday whether some of the city's police officers could be deployed with U.N. peacekeeping missions.

Recruiting police for the U.N.'s 16 peacekeeping missions around the globe has been historically challenging.

"New York City has one of the most diversified police forces around and I think the secretary-general would like to explore possibilities," U.N. deputy spokeswoman Marie Okabe said before the meeting. "Getting police to join peacekeeping operations is one of the high priorities for the U.N."

Bloomberg left the meeting without speaking to reporters. Stu Loeser, the mayor's spokesman, said his office had no comment.

New York City has recently fallen short of its police recruiting goals so it's unclear if it would have any officers to spare for international peacekeeping.

The U.N. peacekeeping department said 321 American police officers are currently involved in missions abroad, primarily training local police. Of those, 225 are in the Kosovo region of Yugoslavia, and others are in Haiti, Liberia and Sudan.


WTF?!


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It could be worse... it could be the LAPD.

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i have seen a video of how much the LAPD loves people from other countries/cultures!
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If someone told you he had been forced to provide the Pennsylvania State Police with their fingerprints, photograph, Social Security number and a host of other personal information, you'd probably assume they were arrested and charged with a crime.

Well, that kind of police ''booking'' process could be in store for Pennsylvania's roughly 3 million firearms owners if gun-control advocates in Harrisburg have their way.

Last month, a group of six state lawmakers introduced legislation that would require the annual registration of virtually every privately-owned firearm in the state. Those who would refuse to register their guns would become criminals, and those denied registration certificates for any reason would have their guns confiscated by the government.

''There's nothing more slanderous to our Second Amendment rights,'' said Melody Zullinger, executive director of the Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs. ''It's scary, and it should be a wake-up call to sportsmen.''

The gun registration proposal, known as House Bill 760, is co-sponsored by Reps. Lisa Bennington, D-Allegheny; Angel Cruz, D-Philadelphia; Lawrence H. Curry, D-Montgomery and Philadelphia; Cherelle L. Parker, D-Philadelphia; Jake Wheatley, D-Allegheny; and Rosita C. Youngblood, D-Philadelphia.

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In addition to providing the information mentioned above, gun owners would be required to undergo an annual criminal background check and provide police with the make, model, caliber and serial number for every gun they own -- along with a $10-per-year, per-gun registration fee.

Private gun owners whose applications are approved would receive registration certificates for each firearm. The certificates, which would include the gun owner's name, address, date of birth, photograph and other information, would have to be carried with the associated gun at all times and presented to police on demand.

It gets worse.

Gun owners also would be required to notify state police within 48 hours of any gun that is lost, stolen or destroyed. And gun owners could not sell or give a firearm to anyone else without notifying state police at least 48 hours in advance.

Finally -- and this one is really the icing on the cake -- gun owners would be required to keep all firearms unloaded and disassembled (or bound by a trigger lock or gun safe) unless the firearm is in the owner's immediate control and possession at the owner's residence or business or while being used for legal recreation.

So, the government would not only decide whether you deserve to own guns, but also how and where you could store and use them. Hard to believe that's what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they declared ''…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.''

Naturally, there is an exemption for law enforcement officers, corrections officers and for any guns owned or under direct control of the federal, state or local governments. Collectible firearms, along with flintlock, match-lock and percussion firearms manufactured before 1898 (including replicas) also would be excluded.

The rules I mentioned so far are only for those whose registration applications are approved. If your registration application is rejected for any reason, and your appeal is denied, you have three days to turn over all your guns to the state police.

So, if the government screws up and denies your application because of its mistake, you lose your guns. There's nothing in the bill addressing what happens to seized guns or when, if ever, you can get them back.

Needless to say, House Bill 760 hasn't exactly been embraced by rank-and-file gun owners or gun rights organizations such as the National Rifle Association, which issued a statement calling the proposal ''misguided.'' A gun-owning colleague here at the paper said the proposal reminded him a lot of the Big Brother government in George Orwell's ''1984.''

Before I go any further, it's important to point out that House Bill 760 doesn't appear to have anywhere near enough support to win approval in the General Assembly. Still, the mere fact that six House members are proposing it serves as evidence that gun control is an issue alive and well in the halls of state government.

It's also no surprise all six of the lawmakers pushing for gun registration represent either Philadelphia or Pittsburgh. Both those cities struggle with more than their fair share of violent crime -- many of them involving the illegal use of firearms.

While I sympathize with the crime victims, and the lawmakers' desire to address the problem, a statewide gun registry simply is not the answer.

You can bet your bottom dollar that criminals will not register their guns. In fact, the NRA noted the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that since felons are prohibited from owning firearms, compelling them to register them would violate their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

Firearms registries also happen to be terribly expensive.

Canada's national gun registration program, in place for more than a decade, was initally projected to cost $119 million to set up. However, it ended up costing more than $1 billion and is widely considered a boondoggle by Canadian citizens. Some political leaders are pushing a plan to eliminate hunting rifles and shotguns -- which were added to the registry program five years ago -- to slash costs.

A recent spate of high-profile shootings in Canada also is causing renewed debate over the effectiveness of the program, with groups on both sides of the gun-control debate offering reports and statistics to support their point of view. Depending on which ''expert'' you ask, the Canadian registry has either been a colossal success or a colossal waste of time.

At best, Pennsylvania's proposed registration system is a duplication of government oversight already in place. For example, instant criminal background checks already are required every time a person buys a gun. And existing gun owners who lose their right to own firearms because of a felony or domestic violence conviction have their guns seized through the court system.

At worst, the registration proposal is an overbearing, unconstitutional invasion of privacy. You have to ask yourself, why does the government need a list of guns owned by honest, law-abiding citzens anyway?

I can think of several reasons, but none that make me feel more secure -- either in terms of my personal safety or my Second Amendment rights.


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This piece of legislation is complete, utter, and total crap.  It isn't worth the paper it was written on.

I hope the constituents of those six districts send their reps packing when their terms are up.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070419/ts_nm/venezuela_zeppelin_dc_1

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CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela launched a Zeppelin on Thursday to patrol Caracas, seeking to fight crime in one of Latin America's most dangerous cities but also raising fears that President Hugo Chavez could be turning into Big Brother.


This from the country with Predator drones patrolling our borders and certain cities, and New York City Police with their own zeppelin monitoring for crime!

Idiocy!

Who cares what Chavez is doing... Notice the only countries we have legit beef with and we refuse to back down on are ones with huge oil reserves? North Korea can do whatever it wants and I bet we wouldnt do anything. They bloody detonated a nuke for crying out loud! Iran is YEARS from making one, even if they wanted to... which they don't! And we are going after them! Sigh...
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On April 11, a white student placed a ham steak in a bag on a lunch table where Somali students were eating. Muslims consider pork unclean and offensive.

The act reminded students of a man who threw a pig's head into a Lewiston mosque last summer.

The school incident is being treated seriously as "a hate incident," Levesque said. Lewiston police are investigating, and the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence is working with the school to create a response plan.

"We've got some work to do to turn this around and bring the school community back together again," Levesque said.

Placing ham where Muslim students were eating was "an awful thing," said Stephen Wessler, executive director of the Center for Prevention of Hate Violence. "It's extraordinarily hurtful and degrading" to Muslims, whose religion prohibits them from being around ham. It's important to respond swiftly, Wessler said.

"Incidents like this that involve degrading language or conduct are often said by the perpetrator as a joke. I know that conduct is never static," he said. "It's part of a process of escalation."

If people think insulting Muslims with ham is OK, "More degrading acts will follow, until at some point we'll end up having violence," Wessler said.

The incident does not reflect the moral values of the school staff and students, Levesque said. "We need to take a look at this and review how a careless act is degrading and causes hurt to other people. All our students should feel welcome and safe in our schools."

He said a letter would be sent home to parents explaining what happened and outlining the school's response. Wessler will meet with students to address the school's climate, and staff will talk about how to respond to and prevent future hate incidents

'I didn't feel safe'

A 14-year-old Somali boy, whose mother asked that his name not be published, said he was eating lunch with four other Somali students on April 11. He noticed many others in the cafeteria "standing up, looking at us."

One boy came near, began laughing and threw a bag on the table while other students laughed and said, 'Good job.'"

"We didn't know what was in this bag," the boy said. "One of my friends reached inside it. It was a big ham steak. There were five of us at the table, all Somali. It was intended for us."

The boy said he looked up at students he thought were his friends. "I felt angered, offended."

He suddenly felt like he was alone. "At the school the next day, I didn't feel safe. I felt like everybody was against me. Before I felt like I fit in, and everything was normal."

He began to think white students didn't like him, and the act was their way of letting him know.

On Thursday, several students came up to him and said, "Those guys who did it were jerks. I apologize for them, and I hope you feel better."

The boy said they did make him feel better. "But for the rest of my life when I remember middle school, this will pop up right away."

He spoke out because he wants the community to know what happened, "that there is something like this going on in our schools."

Wessler and Levesque said the act happened the day before April vacation began, which prevented educators from gathering information.

"This is not done," Wessler said.


For the love of all that is holy...

I think we need to round up the ham-tossing whities and send them to Re-Education Internment Camps so we can teach them how tolerant Islam is.

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Ok that article doesn't tell me, at least I don't see it, if the student did it on purpose.

Another thing...should we once again try a "separate but equal" system of schools...cause we know how well that turned out.

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New York City bans metal bats

NEW YORK (AP) — The City Council in New York City has approved a ban on the use of metal bats in high school. The measure outlaws the bats under the belief that they produce harder and faster hits, risking injury to players.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York vetoed the bat ban earlier this month, saying the issue should be left up to those who run the youth leagues, not the government. The City Council overwhelmingly knocked down the veto by a vote of 41-to-4.


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CHICAGO — Told to express emotion for a creative-writing class, high-school senior Allen Lee penned an essay so disturbing to his teacher, school administrators and police that he was charged with disorderly conduct, officials said Wednesday.

Lee, 18, a straight-A student at Cary-Grove High School in Cary, Ill., was arrested Tuesday near his home and charged with the misdemeanor for an essay that police described as violently disturbing but not directed toward any specific person or location.

Neither police nor the school would release a copy of the essay written Monday. School officials declined to say whether Lee had any previous disciplinary problems, but said he was an excellent student. Authorities said Lee had never been in trouble with the police.

The charge against Lee comes as schools across the country wrestle with how to react in the wake of the massacre that claimed 33 lives at Virginia Tech.

Cary Police Chief Ron Delelio said the charge against Lee was appropriate even though the essay was not published or posted for public viewing. Disorderly conduct, which carries a maximum penalty of 30 days in jail and a $1,500 fine, is often filed for such pranks as pulling a fire alarm or dialing 911, he said. But it can also apply when someone's writings disturb an individual, Delelio said.

"The teacher was alarmed and disturbed by the content," he said.

The teen's father said he understood concerns about violence but not why a creative-writing exercise resulted in charges against his son.

"I understand what happened recently at Virginia Tech," said Albert Lee. But he added, "I don't see how somebody can get charged by writing in their homework. The teacher asked them to express themselves, and he followed instructions."

Some legal experts said the charge against Allen Lee is troubling because it was over an essay that even police admit contained no direct threats against anyone at the school.

A civil-rights advocate said the teacher's reaction to an essay shouldn't make it a crime. "One of the elements is that some sort of disorder or disruption is created," said Ed Yohnka, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois. "When something is done in private — when a paper is handed in to a teacher — there isn't a disruption."


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Here's a better story and I can understand a bit more why this kid got in trouble.  However why are we getting the police involved in everything at school? What happen to detentions, in school suspension, suspension, and expulsion?

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CARY | Say student's creative writing violent, but suggest counseling, not arrest

April 27, 2007
BY DAN ROZEK, ROSALIND ROSSI AND ABDON M. PALLASCH Staff Reporters

Police Thursday released portions of an essay used to charge a Cary-Grove High School student with disorderly conduct, leaving several experts puzzled at an arrest based on such schoolwork.

Asked to write about whatever he wanted in a creative writing class, would-be Marine and honors student Allen Lee, 18, described a violent dream in which he shot people and then "had sex with the dead bodies.''

But then he immediately dismissed the idea as a mere joke, writing, "not really, but it would be funny if I did.''

A second disorderly count accuses Lee of alarming first-year teacher Nora Capron by writing that "as a teacher, don't be surprised on [sic] inspiring the first CG shooting,'' an apparent reference to Cary-Grove High.


Lee said Thursday he was "completely shocked'' to be arrested Tuesday for his essay, especially because written instructions told kids not to "censor'' what they wrote.

"In creative writing, you're told to exaggerate,'' said Lee. "It was supposed to be just junk. . . .

"There definitely is violent content, but they're taking it out of context and making it something it isn't.''

"I have no intention of harming anyone,'' said Lee, who has been transferred to an alternative school setting. "I miss school.''

Lee's father, Albert Lee, who emigrated from China 32 years ago, said his son has a clean academic and police record. He, too, insisted his son's essay was not threatening but authorities "drew a conclusion before the investigation. They didn't want to do the investigation.''

However, the father would not comment on whether he believed authorities acted quickly because his son is of Asian heritage, as was the Virginia Tech campus shooter.

Family therapist Michael Gurian, author of The Minds of Boys, said Allen Lee needs at least good counseling, but "If he was arrested solely based on those words, I don't see that as the most helpful course.''

Bernardine Dohrn, director of Northwestern University's Children and Family Justice Center, laughed when she heard the charge.

"You might want to talk to him, talk to his parents, but the criminal justice system seems to be the last thing you'd want,'' said Dohrn, a former Weatherman leader who lived for years as a fugitive.

Mike McInerney, former head of the Cook County Public Defender's Juvenile Court office, said he "wouldn't be happy'' if his son wrote such words but "I wouldn't criminalize free expression. . . . I don't think it's going to hold up criminally.''


I think the teacher had every right when he wrote THIS sentence and only this sentence to get the kid in trouble.  If you recall...we got that Mike kid in trouble for saying things like this in HS (although he was only suspended for 2 weeks and Perkins sent him back in to possibly finish us off that same day!).

My thoughts more are...this is the quaility of people the Marines are hiring?  What happened to the "Few the proud the Marines" bit?  Now it's the "anyone who wants to have sex with dead bodies and glorifies death and violence....come on in!"  I answer with my own question by pointing out that many recruiters have enlisted known gang members along with foreign criminals.

Also...what was the "creative writing" suppose to be about?  Briney and I had Mrs. Barnum for CW in HS and we wrote all worts of violent stories centered around a character...and a plot..and coherency.  This kid sounds like he just wrote his thoughts out and said "I am the greatest writer of all time!  You can't arrest me!"

If this kid thought no repercussions would come out of his writings he's either a liar or a moron not worth having fighting for my freedom.

Why I would have agreed that this was taking it a bit far (along the lines of the kid who got in trouble for writing a zombie story in school) the threat was made and I would have held the teacher responsible if something had happened.  It's not ALWAYS the quiet ones.

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The attorney for Allen Lee, the Cary-Grove High School senior facing two misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct for an in-class creative writing assignment earlier this week, has released the text of his essay, as transcribed by Lee, in order to provide context for the words cited by authorities in arresting him.

Here is the text of the essay, with language not normally allowed in the Daily Herald removed and noted. What follows the essay is the author's notes, providing reasons for why he wrote what he did.

Blood sex and Booze. Drugs Drugs Drugs are fun. Stab, Stab, Stab, S…t…a…b…, poke. "So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone…, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did." Umm, yeah, what to wright about…… I'm leaving to join the Marines and I really don't give a [expletive] about my academics, so why does the only class that's complete [expletive], happen to be the only required class…enough said. The model citizen would stay around to vote in new board member to change the 4 years of English policy, but no one really stays around to vote for that kind of local crap, so whoever gets there name on the Ballet with a pretty face gets to do what the [expletive] ever they want with local ordinance. A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I meen seriously, Bush for President? And our other option was John Kerry who claimed to parktake in Vietnam Special Forces missions that haven't been declassified…. [expletive]. So Power Flower Super Mario. Pudge, hook, rot, dismember "Fresh Meat." Most new/young teachers are laid back, and cooperative with students as feedback and input into the curriculum and atmosphere. My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and a illegal immigrant. If CG was a private catholic school, I could understand, but wtf is her problem. And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking. No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting.

Author's Note:

This production of the writing is done in the most accurate manner I can depict of the original writing.

     
Grammar and spelling mistakes are included at the best accuracy possible.

The first phrase in questions is in fact a Green Day song. The second reference to drugs is in relation to the schools history of drug problems.

I am personally clean of all controlled substances. The statement in quotes is done so as a non personal statement as I would have done in reference to a character for a story.

The reference to the gun P90 is from a video game, combined with a reference to necrophilia as a comment regarding a seriously messed up situation. A situation such as the rape of villagers during a raid by U.S. troops in Vietnam.

I really do not care too much about by continuing academia as in relation to grades. I do however believe on continuing my personal education, and I am actually still working for my classes.

My views on the graduation requirements explain themselves.

The reference to Mario and Pudge (a DOTA character) are completely random as is this essay.

The reference to a person being smart and people being dumb is based on a quote from "Men in Black."

I generally do believe the public opinion is best.

The rest of the essay is rather self explanatory, the main statement in question I have already released a comment online about.

I request that all information I have released is read together, and nothing is given separately or as an excerpt as the administration has seen fit to do.

On an additional note, I have completed the MEPS (Military Entry Processing Station) examinations, and yes a psychiatric evaluation is included in the process. If I'm qualified to defend the country, I believe I'm qualified to attend school.


Ya...I don't think "context" really helped him here.

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Sunday, April 29, 2007; A01

LONDON -- More than a fifth of the approximately 385 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been cleared for release but may have to wait months or years for their freedom because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to line up places to send them, according to Bush administration officials and defense lawyers.

Since February, the Pentagon has notified about 85 inmates or their attorneys that they are eligible to leave after being cleared by military review panels. But only a handful have gone home, including a Moroccan and an Afghan who were released Tuesday. Eighty-two remain at Guantanamo and face indefinite waits as U.S. officials struggle to figure out when and where to deport them, and under what conditions.

The delays illustrate how much harder it will be to empty the prison at Guantanamo than it was to fill it after it opened in January 2002 to detain fighters captured in Afghanistan and terrorism suspects captured overseas.

In many cases, the prisoners' countries do not want them back. Yemen, for instance, has balked at accepting some of the 106 Yemeni nationals at Guantanamo by challenging the legality of their citizenship.

Another major obstacle: U.S. laws that prevent the deportation of people to countries where they could face torture or other human rights abuses, as in the case of 17 Chinese Muslim separatists who have been cleared for release but fear they could be executed for political reasons if returned to China.

Compounding the problem are persistent refusals by the United States, its European allies and other countries to grant asylum to prisoners who are stateless or have no place to go.

"In general, most countries simply do not want to help," said John B. Bellinger III, legal adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. "Countries believe this is not their problem. They think they didn't contribute to Guantanamo, and therefore they don't have to be part of the solution."

A case in point is Ahmed Belbacha, 37, an Algerian who worked as a hotel waiter in Britain but has been locked up at Guantanamo for five years. The Pentagon has alleged that Belbacha met al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden twice and received weapons training in Afghanistan. His attorneys dispute the charges and say he was rounded up with other innocents in Pakistan in early 2002.

On Feb. 22, without explanation, the Pentagon notified Belbacha's lawyers in London that he had been approved to leave Guantanamo. Despite entreaties from the State Department, however, the British government has refused to accept Belbacha and five other immigrants who had lived in the country, because they lack British citizenship.

This month, Clint Williamson, the State Department's ambassador for war crimes, visited Algiers to discuss possible arrangements for the return of two dozen Algerians who remain at Guantanamo, including Belbacha, but no breakthroughs were reported. That country has been slow to accept its citizens.

Zachary Katznelson, a lawyer who represents Belbacha and several other prisoners who have been cleared, said defense attorneys have tried to speed up the process by contacting foreign governments to see if there are any specific obstacles to the return of their clients. In many cases, he said, the prisoners and officials in their home countries are willing to approve the transfer, but the delays persist.

"The holdup is a mystery to me, frankly," said Katznelson, senior counsel for Reprieve, a British legal defense fund. "If the U.S. has cleared these people and they want to go back, I don't understand why they can't just put them on a plane."

Other prisoner advocates said the Bush administration has made its task more difficult by exaggerating the threat posed by most Guantanamo inmates -- officials repeatedly called them "the worst of the worst" -- and refusing to acknowledge mistaken detentions.

Foreign governments have also questioned why U.S. officials should expect other countries to pitch in, given that Washington won't offer asylum to detainees either.

"This is a problem of our own creation, and yet we expect other countries to shoulder the entire burden of a solution," said Ben Wizner, staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. "There needs to be a worldwide solution here. The U.S. has to bear some of that burden. It can't simply expect its partners and allies to absorb all its detainees."

The 82 cleared prisoners who remain stuck in limbo come from 16 countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia, according to defense attorneys who have received official notification of their clients' status.

The 17 Chinese Muslim separatists make up the largest contingent. Other countries with multiple prisoners awaiting release include Afghanistan, Sudan, Tunisia, Uzbekistan and Yemen.

The Pentagon has reduced the population at Guantanamo by roughly half since the peak of 680 people in May 2003, generally by sending prisoners back to their native countries. But U.S. officials said progress has slowed because of the complexity of the remaining cases.

Of the roughly 385 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest. But the judicial process has likewise moved at a glacial pace, largely because of constitutional legal challenges.

Only two people have been charged under a military tribunal system approved by Congress last year. One of those cases has been adjudicated. David M. Hicks, an Australian citizen, pleaded guilty in March to lending material support to terrorists. He was sentenced to nine months in prison and is scheduled to be transferred to Australia in May to serve his time there.

Defense lawyers for some of the 82 cleared prisoners whose release is pending said Hicks received a better deal than did their clients who were not charged with any offenses. "One of the cruel ironies is that in Guantanamo, you've got to plead guilty to be released," said Wizner, the ACLU attorney. "It's the only way out of there."

Complicating the return process is that virtually all the prisoners at Guantanamo come from countries that the State Department has cited for records of human rights abuses. Under U.S. rules, a pattern of abuses in a country does not automatically preclude deportation there. Rather, U.S. officials must investigate each case to determine whether an individual is likely to face persecution.

The investigations are time-consuming and often meet with resistance from the prisoners' home countries, which can be sensitive to suggestions that they allow torture, U.S. officials said. In cases where there is a risk of mistreatment, U.S. policy is to obtain a written promise from the host government that the prisoner will not be abused and that U.S. officials will be allowed to monitor the arrangement.

"It often takes us months and months, or even years, to negotiate the human rights assurances that we are comfortable with before we will transfer someone to another country," said Bellinger, the State Department's legal adviser.

Human rights groups have criticized the written assurances as unreliable. In March, the New York-based group Human Rights Watch issued a report on the fate of seven Russians who were released from Guantanamo three years ago, asserting that three of the men have been tortured since their return.

The watchdog group urged the U.S. government to find third-party countries willing to take Guantanamo inmates who are judged to be at risk for political persecution. U.S. officials countered that they have tried to do that for years, with virtually no success.

Only one country has been willing to accept Guantanamo prisoners who had never previously set foot inside its borders. Last year, after prodding by the State Department, the Balkan nation of Albania agreed to take five Chinese separatists who belong to an ethnic group known as Uighurs.

The men were captured in late 2001 after they crossed the Chinese border into Afghanistan and Pakistan. Their attorneys said they were mistakenly taken into custody and had not taken up arms against U.S. forces. U.S. officials said dozens of countries refused to grant asylum to the Uighurs for fear of angering China, which considers them terrorists for leading a secession movement in the western province of Turkestan.

Seventeen other Uighurs who were caught in similar circumstances have been cleared for release but remain in Guantanamo because the State Department has been unable to find a home for them. Human rights groups have pressed the U.S. government to offer the men asylum, to no avail.

A senior U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the Bush administration had considered granting the Uighurs asylum but that the idea was nixed by the Department of Homeland Security. The Uighurs would be rejected under U.S. immigration law, the official said, because they once trained in armed camps and because their separatist front, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, was labeled a terrorist organization by the U.S. government in 2002.

Attorneys for the Uighurs said their predicament has been compounded by the Pentagon's unwillingness to say they don't pose a national security risk to the U.S. government or its allies. In announcing that the Uighurs had been approved to leave Guantanamo, military officials made a point of noting that they had not been exonerated and were still classified as enemy combatants.

"It's not a distinction that makes sense at all," said Michael J. Sternhell, a New York lawyer whose firm represents four of the Uighurs. "It's a caveat that the Defense Department is offering to cover itself."

Some human rights advocates said the Bush administration could speed things up by asking the United Nations or another international body for help.

Manfred Nowak, an Austrian law professor who serves as the U.N. special monitor on torture, said European allies and other countries would continue to duck requests to accept released prisoners as long as the U.S. government approaches them separately. An international commission responsible for finding a solution, he said, might carry more weight.

"If the U.S. is willing to do something to close down Guantanamo, then it should be done in a cooperative manner with the international community," Nowak said. "It's a question of burden-sharing. Otherwise, every individual country that the U.S. approaches says, 'Why us?' "


So any compensation or even an apology for torturing these people for 6 years?  They're worried that they will be harmed in other places in the world?  What like they might be TORTURED OR SOMETHING?!

I thought we were so sure these people were guilty and not even human and so not subject to the same decent treatment and laws we are under.  Hmm if they can take these rights away from some...they can take it away from all.

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MUSLIM radicals have established their own draconian court systems in Britain.

Controversial Sharia courts have been set up in major towns and cities to impose Islamic law and enable Muslims to shun the legitimate British legal system.

Last night religious leaders and politicians expressed outrage that Sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in our society.

Critics insisted that the Govern ment is allowing a two-tier legal system to flourish in the name of political correctness and that the authority of UK justice is being undermined.

The Daily Express can reveal that one of the controversial courts has been set up in the home town of the 7/7 London bombings ringleader.

Mohammed Siddique Khan was responsible for the Edgware Road Circle Line explosion which killed six people and injured 120. Our investigation has found that the Sharia court system has been set up in the heart of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, and that it is a model for others across the country which are operating outside the British legal process.

British society must be one of free speech, free personal choice, democratic freedom and fairness

Mark Wallace

The Dewsbury court is called the Sharee Council – another term for Sharia – and operates as a Muslim judiciary making decisions by which attendees must abide.

In many countries, hard-line interpretations of the Islamic law allow people to be stoned to death, beheaded or have their limbs amputated.

Non-Muslims are excluded from the secretive court which is registered as a charity to receive British tax benefits.
Although the court has no official legal standing, scales of justice adorn a sign outside a former pub building which has been converted by the Islamic Institute of Great Britain.



Last night the Sharia courts were blasted by both Christian and Muslim groups for their non-democratic attempts to establish their legal system.

Mark Wallace, campaign man ager of the Freedom Asso ciation said: “British society must be one of free speech, free personal choice, democratic freedom and fairness.

“If individual Muslims wish to inform their decisions by the teachings of Sharia, that is fine, but they must do it within the structures of British law and they must understand that sharia will never be acceptable as the legal system of the UK.”

His views were echoed by the Muslim Council of Britain, whose spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: “We believe one legal code should apply for all citizens of the UK. There is no place for multiple legal systems for people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds.”

Dewsbury councillor Imtiaz Ameen, a Muslim, said: “Some people advocate total Sharia law but you cannot have it being the case in any country that there is one law for one and one law for another.”

Critics say the Government has not done enough to stop radical Muslim groups establishing their brand of law.
Liberal thinkers in the Gov ernment claim that the law enables full-face veil-wearing Muslim women who are afraid of British courts to gain justice the “traditional way”.

But one insider told the Daily Express that the Sharia court, which is run from the backroom of a Madrasa – an Islamic education centre – in Dewsbury is just one of “dozens” operating in Asian communities. And a leading Muslim commentator claimed similar courts exist in every major city across Britain.

The Madrasa – which is a former pub situated less than a mile from the one-time home of London bombing mastermind Khan – sits as a court every other weekend and hears up to 10 cases a day.

Four Muslim scholars, who have spent their life studying and preaching the Koran, sit in judgment on an array of cases alongside a Muslim solicitor whose role is to advise on the implications of their rulings in British law.

The operation is headed by prominent scholar Sheikh Yaqub Munshi. Accounts for the Dewsbury court’s parent company the Islamic Research Institute of Great Britain, show that it was registered in Dewsbury as a charity in 1996 with the ethos of promoting the advancement of Islamic religion and education in the United Kingdom.

Charitable status allows the organisation to claim tax relief and apply for government grants and trustee funding.

Between April 1999 and April 2004 its gross annual turnover rocketed from £2,500 to above £177,000. At the end of the last financial year it recorded total funds of £255,000 but it is not known if or how it charges for use of the service.

At the moment, the leaders insist they only deal with civil matters such as Muslim divorces, wedding dowries and asset sharing.

But the secretive Muslim-only nature of the dealings will provoke fears that radical Sharia law could be allowed
to spread across the Muslim population. The source said: “These courts take the law into their own hands and dish out punishment for bad behaviour.

“I have not heard of physical punishments being used but those in the wrong are often ordered to pay compensation. Many who have no respect for British law are the most stringent observers of Sharia law.”

Sheikh Yaqub admitted that in troducing Sharia law into the UK has been his goal since moving to Britain from Paki stan in the 1960s.

But he insisted its main aim is to help repressed women who are trapped in bad or violent marriages and who dare not use British law.

He said: “Ever since I arrived here in the 1960s there has been a case of women being forced to get married, others forced to get married, but unhappy afterwards. Until now there was no organisation which could Islamically solve their problems.”

Sharia is derived from the Arabic translation Sariah and outlines Islamic law according to the Koran. The term means “way” or “path” and gives the Islamic framework within which people must regulate their lives according to the Muslim faith.

After the Sharia court has ruled in judgment, solicitors process matters officially through UK courts on their clients’ behalf.

Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, said: “Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities, with different sectarian and ethnic groups operating their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their tradition.”

Philip Davies, the Tory MP for Shipley, said: “I am ab solutely appalled and find the prospect of such courts totally terrifying. Places like this should be closed down or else everybody will want to establish their own courts.

“How many more places like this are there in the UK? Who knows where it could all end? It simply cannot be tolerated.”



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TWIN FALLS, Idaho — Canoeist Dennis Bohrn and his companions were stunned when they saw a woman jump off the Perrine Bridge, her body landing near them in the Snake River. Many in the group were crying by the time they managed to reach the woman and paddle her body to shore.

So Bohrn was shocked when an officer walked up and instead of thanking or comforting the group last Sunday, wrote out a couple of $85 tickets for failing to have life jackets on board either of the two canoes.

"The body was right there," said the 58-year-old Twin Falls resident. "A girl deputy was trying to console everybody. Then a sergeant walked up. He said, 'I see you don't have any life jackets so I am going to give you a citation.' It seemed a little cold."

Twin Falls County Sheriff Wayne Tousley said he stands by the deputy's decision, although he added, "Could it have been done at another time? He had a discretion."

Bohrn said he and his friends are still traumatized from witnessing the death. He plans to contest the citations in court.

"Maybe you get kind of cold in that job," Bohrn said. "I think there is a time and a place. They should use common sense. Maybe his superiors could tell him, 'Next time, wait until they get to the dock and the girls aren't crying."'


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I would first fight the ticket...and then sue the department.  Does a police officer wear his/her seatbelt after quickly jumping in the car to stop a man with a gun?  Or let's say the law gives the power to the police to disobey that law.  How about a mother who see a child molester try and abduct her child...should she be fined for not thinking straight to put on her seat belt, put her hands at ten and two, check her blind spots, arranger her mirrors, and signal correctly?

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http://www.break.com/index/sheriff-allows-illegal-trespass2b.html

If you call the Health Inspectors on people you don't like...they can come in to search that person...in Indiana...or so these people THINK.

Tell me what ya think of this vid and his points and case.

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That video is older than dirt.  The health inspector should've gotten a warrant.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/040507pers.htm

Yes it's funny cause it's Colbert...however listen to the "representative".  Does that sound like a republic where the rights of everyone are protected or is worse than a democracy but a fascist system that sounds like something from the Night Of Broken Glass?

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Reply #630 - May 9th, 2007 at 8:54am
 
Can I get a Hell Yeah?!

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Appellate Judges Let Gun Ruling Stand
Fenty 'Deeply Disappointed'; District Might Defend Ban Before the Supreme Court

By Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 9, 2007; B01

A federal appeals court in Washington yesterday let stand a ruling that struck down a restrictive D.C. ban on gun ownership, setting the stage for a potentially major constitutional battle over the Second Amendment in the Supreme Court.

D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty said at a news conference that he was "deeply disappointed" by the court's decision not to reconsider the city's arguments that the three-decades-old gun ban was constitutional. Fenty (D) said the city will now mull over whether to take the risk of pressing to defend the D.C. gun law before the Supreme Court or to rewrite gun regulations for keeping guns in private District homes.

"As mayor, I remain committed to combating gun violence, and . . . this is a critical part of the District's crime-control strategy," he said. "The predominant factor in our consideration [of how to proceed] will be the safety of District residents."

Fenty and other officials had asked the full appeals court to review a ruling issued by a three-judge panel that struck down a part of the D.C. law that bars people from keeping handguns in homes. With its 6 to 4 vote to reject a hearing by the full court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit sped up the timetable for a showdown. Experts said that timetable favors gun rights advocates and the D.C. residents who first challenged the law.

"Clearly it would have been better for us to have another chance to argue before the full court," said D.C. Attorney General Linda Singer. "It goes much faster now."

If the city petitions for a hearing before the Supreme Court -- and it must make that decision within 90 days -- legal experts say the high court probably will agree to take the case within a year.

A central question the D.C. case poses is whether the Second Amendment protects an individual's rights to bear arms. In its 2 to 1 ruling in March, the appellate panel ruled that it does.

The Bush administration is on record supporting the argument that the Second Amendment protects individual rights, and it would be able to argue that view if the case is heard soon. If the full appeals court had heard the case, a new administration might have taken a different stance by the time it reached the Supreme Court.

"That's very important to have the government on our side," said Robert A. Levy, a libertarian lawyer who spearheaded the challenge to the law. "And that could change with a new administration."

Experts say that gun-rights advocates have never had a better chance for a major Second Amendment victory, because a significant number of justices on the Supreme Court have indicated a preference for the individual-rights interpretation.

Another appellate court that considered a similar case, in the 5th Circuit, chose not to strike down a gun law based on that individual-rights interpretation. Other appellate circuits have interpreted the amendment as protecting a militia's right to take up arms -- not an individual's. The question is whether the Supreme Court considers that a substantial enough legal conflict demanding the court's resolution.

Paul Helmke of the pro-gun-control Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence said he believes the Supreme Court will want to settle the matter. "We've expected all along this would go the Supreme Court," Helmke said. "The crucial thing is, it gets it there quicker. If the court takes the case, there's a chance there'll be a ruling just before the presidential election. That will make it politically interesting."

D.C. Assistant Police Chief Winston Robinson Jr. said he's sorry that some residents don't feel safe in their homes without guns but stressed that the recent massacre at Virginia Tech should remind them that guns don't increase safety.

"More than likely, that weapon in their home will be used against them," Robinson said. "Just think about what happened recently in Virginia: guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them."

Those voting against a new hearing were one judge who joined in the original opinion, Thomas B. Griffith, and one who dissented from it, Karen LeCraft Henderson, as well as Chief Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg, David B. Sentelle, Janice Rogers Brown and Brett M. Kavanaugh. Those voting to reconsider were Merrick B. Garland, Judith W. Rogers, David S. Tatel and A. Raymond Randolph.


This is fantastic news!  I was afraid the appelate court would reverse the decision and the Supreme Court would deny cert, but we've really ended up with a win-win situation!  If the SCOTUS refuses to hear the case, the verdict will stand.  If SCOTUS hears the case, we'll finally get a verdict on the interpretation of "the people."

HOOORAY!

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Reply #631 - May 9th, 2007 at 12:40pm
 
It'll be interesting to see if DC gets more legal guns into the regular citizens homes if homicides will decrease and DC will finally get off the list of being the worst murder cities per capita!

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By Diana Graettinger
Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - Bangor Daily News

TOWNSHIP 30 - A Nova Scotia man was nabbed for impersonating a police officer. For others who found themselves in trouble with the law Monday, it started with an invalid inspection sticker or out-of-date registration.

All ran afoul of a "checkpoint" at the rest area on Route 9 in Township 30.

Almost any day of the week, the area is about as busy as a City Council meeting, but not Monday. The parking lot was filled with cars — both police and would-be violators.

Dubbed Operation Lobster Claw, the checkpoint by the Washington County Sheriff’s Department was set up on Route 9 to stop traffic. Three K-9 units, the Maine State Police Vehicle Enforcement, along with the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency, also were there.

It wasn’t a roadblock, because roadblocks are illegal, according to the U.S. Supreme Court.

It was a safety inspection.

"There’s a difference between a checkpoint and a roadblock," Sheriff Donnie Smith said Monday. "We have the legal right to check vehicles. [We] go to secondary [check] if for some reason they stand out, that’s legal," Smith said.

Route 9 is Washington County’s answer to the interstate, so the road was busy on Monday. Police know that drugs come across the border into Calais from Canada and traffickers use Route 9 to hot-foot it to Boston, where prescription medication such as OxyContin and Dilaudid fetch a higher price.

An $80,000 federal grant made the safety check possible on Monday.

"It’s some of the Stone Garden Homeland Security money," Smith said. "What we are doing, we’re just doing an overall check. We’re looking for anything suspicious from illegal aliens, drug trafficking and safety checks."

On Monday, perimeters were set up east and west on Route 9. Sheriff’s vehicles were parked on the side of the road, blue lights flashing. Deputies in bright orange safety vests were in the middle of the road, stopping traffic.

Most people stopped immediately, although one woman kept driving. Maine State Police and a sheriff’s deputy pursued her and found she had an invalid sticker and no motor vehicle insurance. She didn’t get to drive home.

For those people who did stop, deputies ran through a checklist of headlights and turn signals, as well as other safety features on their cars.

Anything out of the ordinary went to a secondary checkpoint — the parking lot at the rest stop where MDEA agents and K-9 units from the Rockport Police Department, U.S. Customs and Maine State Police were waiting.

Immediately upon stopping, drivers were asked to produce a valid license and registration. If anything out of the ordinary appeared, the car was turned over to a dog and its handler.

One man was on probation for sexual abuse of a minor; he was checked. A woman on probation also had her car thoroughly inspected.

The dogs, trained to sit when they score a scent, sat on several occasions. Then it was into the car, where the dogs — their noses working overtime — sniffed under the seats and in glove compartments.

Danielle Littlehale of the Rockport Police Department said her dog Boomer has been trained to sniff out seven drugs. While on the search, the dog had to bypass a small cooler full of food. Littlehale said the dogs have been trained to ignore food.

One woman was driving while her license was under suspension. She also had a prescription for a drug, but it was not in a legal prescription bottle.

Police searched her car and found a locked box — inside were her methadone doses for the week. Police said she’d been on methadone for four years. She was later arrested for having a drug without a prescription.

Another woman also was stopped for a vehicle infraction and had a locked box full of methadone doses. Since she was not carrying anything illegal, she was allowed to leave.

Among the many serious moments, there was some humor. A man and woman were ordered to secondary inspection — it turned out the couple were salespeople for a pharmaceutical company and they had a trunk full of drugs. The police let them go after checking their story.

Deputy Travis Willey of the Sheriff’s department did field sobriety tests on two people. They both passed, but for a few minutes, it looked as though one of them might not be able to walk the imaginary line. Willey said the man was clearly nervous.

"I explained to the gentleman that it’s not against the law in the state of Maine to operate a motor vehicle with prescription medications. However if those prescription medications impair the safe operation of that motor vehicle, it is illegal. It is operating under the influence just like alcohol and anything else," Willey said.

A woman who was stopped had a handgun under her seat; she had a permit.

A man was stopped and summoned for having a usable amount of marijuana. He told the police officer he didn’t know how it got in his car.

One man was pulled over and gave deputies his name and address. A check revealed he was using someone else’s identity. When they asked him again, he gave police another phony name. He was taken directly to jail.

At the end of the six-hour checkpoint Monday, a Nova Scotia man flashed a police badge and identity card from Massachusetts.

He said he had worked for the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department in Massachusetts in 1992. The deputies called Massachusetts; they had no record of him. The man was handcuffed and charged with impersonating a public official.

And for those who were booked and bailed, it was one-stop shopping.

The Sheriff’s Department had a van at the scene. Inside were corrections officers who were fingerprinting those who had been charged and taking mug shots.

Also inside was Bob Whitman, bail commissioner for Washington County. He was writing bail tickets and collecting the money.


If I may be so bold as to pull out a few quotes from this article.

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It wasn’t a roadblock, because roadblocks are illegal, according to the U.S. Supreme Court.

It was a safety inspection.

"There’s a difference between a checkpoint and a roadblock," Sheriff Donnie Smith said Monday. "We have the legal right to check vehicles. [We] go to secondary [check] if for some reason they stand out, that’s legal," Smith said.


Yes because a roadblock is different than a safety checkpoint because......oh...they told me...because one is illegal...and the other....is made up.

Also.  It is true they have a legal right to check vehicles.  Like to make sure you're driving with 4 wheels that aren't flat.  That your door is not open while driving.  That you have a legal license plate.  However to stop you and check inside your vehicle, at random, is a violation of the 4th Amendment.  So if this "officer" thinks he has the legal right...he's a fricken moron!

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"It’s some of the Stone Garden Homeland Security money," Smith said. "What we are doing, we’re just doing an overall check. We’re looking for anything suspicious from illegal aliens, drug trafficking and safety checks."


Yes I would say $80K is a lot to look forward to when you do illegal activities.  Also this "officer" needs to realize you can't stop someone just to do a check FOR suspicions.  You must see it while allowing that person to go about their way.  Also...how do you check a suspicious of illegal aliens?  First of all...I doubt you'll find any Mexicans in Maine and if you did do you pull people over for looking Hispanic?  And if you're looking for illegal Canadians...do you pull over all the white people?

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Immediately upon stopping, drivers were asked to produce a valid license and registration.


THIS IS ILLEGAL!  You do not have to produce ID if an illegal stop happens!  I hope all these people fight it and tie up Maine's courts for a good while.

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Police searched her car and found a locked box


Again...illegal. If something is locked.  Officers need a warrant to search it or consent.

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A woman who was stopped had a handgun under her seat; she had a permit.


Why was this even mentioned?!  It was a legally owned and legally carried handgun!

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Also inside was Bob Whitman, bail commissioner for Washington County. He was writing bail tickets and collecting the money.


Gee sounds like illegal activity gets you more than an 80K check from Vunterland Security...oh he he...I mean Homeland Security.

Your papers please, comrade citizen!

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Reply #633 - May 16th, 2007 at 9:11am
 
What a bunch of BS.  Besides, when did it become illegal to carry a prescription drug in a non-prescription bottle?

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Reply #634 - May 16th, 2007 at 10:01am
 
Indeed...esp with old people who have to take some 60 pills a day and have those big daily containers...do we arrest our grandparents for illegal narcotics?

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RIGHT OR WRONG?: Some motorists are challenging the accuracy of the Princes Freeway's speed advisory signs. Photo: MIKE DUGDALE.

RIGHT OR WRONG?: Some motorists are challenging the accuracy of the Princes Freeway's speed advisory signs. Photo: MIKE DUGDALE.

ANGRY motorists are being forced to pay hefty speeding fines because of ongoing problems with highway speed-checking devices, a court has heard.

Three motorists appeared in Geelong Magistrates' Court yesterday, each initially prepared to fight fines received on the Melbourne-bound Princes Freeway at Avalon Rd Overpass last year.

Colleen Stephens told magistrate Terry Wilson that at the time she checked her  speedo and it read 100km/h. But the highway speed check had her travelling at only 93 km/h.
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``When the speed check sign said 93km/h and my car said 100km/h I felt I could speed up,'' she said.

Ms Stephens said she received three traffic infringement notices all about the same time and from the same spot.

``One of those was withdrawn and when no one would tell me why it had been withdrawn it stirred my curiosity,'' she said.

Ms Stephens said she wrote to the Department of Justice about the speed check sign, inquiring as to how often it was checked and who was responsible for its accuracy.

``They said it was checked every six months and had to be within 2 per cent of the speed camera,'' she said.

``They would not tell me when the speed check was last tested and I have since written to Freedom of Information to find out.''

Ms Stephens said that while in her case the speed check showed a discrepancy of 7km/h, a recent observation on her part showed the same speed check as having a discrepancy of 9km/h.

Andrew Giftakopoulos said he received six speeding notices in the mail on the same day last year.

``All were from the Avalon Rd Overpass and three were marked withdrawn,'' he said.

``I tried to find out why three were withdrawn but no one would tell me.

``I told the traffic camera office I would be taking the matters to court and fighting them.

``Today I found out that the demerit points had already been added to my licence even though the matter hadn't been heard.''

Mr Giftakopoulos said he regularly travelled the Princes Highway for work and regularly checked his speedo with the overhead speed check.

``If it is out, then it's bordering on extortion,'' he said.

Mr Giftakopoulos said he did not believe he was speeding, but after looking at his options felt he had no choice.

``If I fight, it will be difficult to prove and today I learned it will cost me about $1200 to get an expert to give evidence,'' he said.

``I can't afford that sort of money but if I don't fight it, I cop the fine and demerit points.''

Ms Stephens, Mr Giftakopoulos and a third man Justin Meggs in the end pleaded guilty.

Ms Stephens' charge was found proven and dismissed.

Mr Giftakopoulos was without conviction fined $365.

Mr Meggs was without conviction fined $100.


This is just plain wrong.  The govt's job is not to raise money through fines but to protect the citizens who they represent and protect.  What if someone had sped up and killed someone.  Wouldn't the govt be in some way responsible.  This is almost as bad as the last story I posted.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507Lara.htm

Let's see if I can point out all the things wrong with this:

1 - He was still arrested even after officers burst into his house and found it was a fake Laura Croft.
2 - He was still charged and released on bail of suspected firearms offense.
3 - They confiscated Laura Croft
4 - For some reason officers seeing a gun inside a house means they have the authority to raid the house.
5 - They decided to raid it after he didn't answer the door...at MIDNIGHT!!!
6 - He was the one to call the cops about nuisance phone calls!

That's all I can find...anyone else?

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Reply #637 - May 22nd, 2007 at 2:55pm
 
Fox news descredits their own poll to explain Ron Paul's popularity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7XsSl3wIg

dumb!

I liked this comment though...

"They admit they can't figure out how to send a text message using a cell phone, yet we are to believe that they understand what's going on in the World....lol"
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Reply #638 - May 22nd, 2007 at 3:46pm
 
Yes...if you don't conform to torture and war...you're not republican.  Why do sooo many people in the media tout the big dogs when we all believe them to be corrupt and too rich for the common person?

Also...tell me how Fox is "conservative" when Murrdock constantly holds fund raisers for Hillary?

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Reply #639 - May 22nd, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
Ron Paul is amazing, but I'm really hoping for a Fred Thompson/Ron Paul ticket.  Those two combined would form an unstoppable conservative powerhouse.

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I'd like a Ron Paul President then an Aaron Russo or Thompson VP ticket
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I'd take a Thompson/Paul ticket over a Paul/Thompson ticket any day of the week, but I'd still be pretty excited about the latter of the two.

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National Security & Homeland Security Presidential Directive establishes "National Continuity Policy"

Global Research | May 21, 2007
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The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive , signed on May 9, 2007 declares that in the event of a "catastrophic event", George W. Bush can become what is best described as "a dictator": 

"The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government."

This directive, completely unnoticed by the media, and given no scrutiny by Congress, literally gives the White House unprecedented dictatorial power over the government and the country, bypassing the US Congress and obliterating the separation of powers. The directive also placed the Secretary of Homeland Security in charge of domestic "security".

The full text is below. A critical analysis on the directive can be found here. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROG20070521&arti...

This is another step towards official martial law (see " US government fans homeland security fears "), which suggests that a new "catastrophic event" 9/11-type pretext could be in the pipeline.

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

(2) In this directive:

(a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

(c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;

(d) "Continuity of Operations," or "COOP," means an effort within individual executive departments and agencies to ensure that Primary Mission-Essential Functions continue to be performed during a wide range of emergencies, including localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies;

(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;

(f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;

(g) "Government Functions" means the collective functions of the heads of executive departments and agencies as defined by statute, regulation, presidential direction, or other legal authority, and the functions of the legislative and judicial branches;

(h) "National Essential Functions," or "NEFs," means that subset of Government Functions that are necessary to lead and sustain the Nation during a catastrophic emergency and that, therefore, must be supported through COOP and COG capabilities; and

(i) "Primary Mission Essential Functions," or "PMEFs," means those Government Functions that must be performed in order to support or implement the performance of NEFs before, during, and in the aftermath of an emergency.

Policy

(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.

Implementation Actions

(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.

(5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of

the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:

(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

(b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;

(c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

(d) Maintaining and fostering effective relationships with foreign nations;

(e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

(f) Providing rapid and effective response to and recovery from the domestic consequences of an attack or other incident;

(g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation's economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems; and

(h) Providing for critical Federal Government services that address the national health, safety, and welfare needs of the United States.

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National

Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

(7) For continuity purposes, each executive department and agency is assigned to a category in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and

responsibilities in support of the Federal Government's ability to sustain the NEFs. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall serve as the President's lead agent for coordinating overall

continuity operations and activities of executive departments and agencies, and in such role shall perform the responsibilities set forth for the Secretary in sections 10 and 16 of this directive.

(8) The National Continuity Coordinator, in consultation with the heads of appropriate executive departments and agencies, will lead the development of a National Continuity Implementation Plan (Plan), which shall include prioritized goals and objectives, a concept of operations, performance metrics by which to measure continuity readiness, procedures for continuity and incident management activities, and clear direction to executive department and agency continuity coordinators, as well as guidance to promote interoperability of Federal Government continuity programs and procedures with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate. The Plan shall be submitted to the President for approval not later than 90 days after the date of this directive.

(9) Recognizing that each branch of the Federal Government is responsible for its own continuity programs, an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall ensure that the executive branch's COOP and COG policies in support of ECG efforts are appropriately coordinated with those of

the legislative and judicial branches in order to ensure interoperability and allocate national assets efficiently to maintain a functioning Federal Government.

(10) Federal Government COOP, COG, and ECG plans and operations shall be appropriately integrated with the emergency plans and capabilities of State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to promote interoperability and to prevent redundancies and conflicting lines of authority. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall coordinate the integration of Federal continuity plans and operations with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency.

(11) Continuity requirements for the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and executive departments and agencies shall include the following:

(a) The continuation of the performance of PMEFs during any emergency must be for a period up to 30 days or until normal operations can be resumed, and the capability to be fully operational at alternate sites as soon as possible after the occurrence of an emergency, but not later than 12 hours after COOP activation;

(b) Succession orders and pre-planned devolution of authorities that ensure the emergency delegation of authority must be planned and documented in advance in accordance with applicable law;

(c) Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided;

(d) Provision must be made for the acquisition of the resources necessary for continuity operations on an emergency basis;

(e) Provision must be made for the availability and redundancy of critical communications capabilities at alternate sites in order to support connectivity between

and among key government leadership, internal elements, other executive departments and agencies, critical partners, and the public;

(f) Provision must be made for reconstitution capabilities that allow for recovery from a catastrophic emergency and resumption of normal operations; and

(g) Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

(12) In order to provide a coordinated response to escalating threat levels or actual emergencies, the Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system establishes executive branch continuity program readiness levels, focusing

on possible threats to the National Capital Region. The President will determine and issue the COGCON Level. Executive departments and agencies shall comply with the requirements and

assigned responsibilities under the COGCON program. During COOP activation, executive departments and agencies shall report their readiness status to the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Secretary's designee.

(13) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall:

(a) Conduct an annual assessment of executive department and agency continuity funding requests and performance data that are submitted by executive departments and agencies as part of the annual budget request process, in order to monitor progress in the implementation of the Plan and the execution of continuity budgets;

(b) In coordination with the National Continuity Coordinator, issue annual continuity planning guidance for the development of continuity budget requests; and

(c) Ensure that heads of executive departments and agencies prioritize budget resources for continuity capabilities, consistent with this directive.

(14) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy shall:

(a) Define and issue minimum requirements for continuity communications for executive departments and agencies, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President;

(b) Establish requirements for, and monitor the development, implementation, and maintenance of, a comprehensive communications architecture to integrate continuity components, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President; and

(c) Review quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities, as prepared pursuant to section 16(d) of this directive or otherwise, and report the results and recommended remedial actions to the National Continuity Coordinator.

(15) An official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall:

(a) Advise the President, the Chief of Staff to the President, the APHS/CT, and the APNSA on COGCON operational execution options; and

(b) Consult with the Secretary of Homeland Security in order to ensure synchronization and integration of continuity activities among the four categories of executive departments and agencies.

(16) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:

(a) Coordinate the implementation, execution, and assessment of continuity operations and activities;

(b) Develop and promulgate Federal Continuity Directives in order to establish continuity planning requirements for executive departments and agencies;

(c) Conduct biennial assessments of individual department and agency continuity capabilities as prescribed by the Plan and report the results to the President through the APHS/CT;

(d) Conduct quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

(e) Develop, lead, and conduct a Federal continuity training and exercise program, which shall be incorporated into the National Exercise Program developed pursuant to Homeland Security Presidential Directive-8 of December 17, 2003 ("National Preparedness"), in consultation with an

official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

(f) Develop and promulgate continuity planning guidance to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators;

(g) Make available continuity planning and exercise funding, in the form of grants as provided by law, to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators; and

(h) As Executive Agent of the National Communications System, develop, implement, and maintain a comprehensive continuity communications architecture.

(17) The Director of National Intelligence, in coordination with the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall produce a biennial assessment of the foreign and domestic threats to the Nation's continuity of government.

(18) The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall provide secure, integrated, Continuity of Government communications to the President, the Vice President, and, at a minimum, Category I executive departments and agencies.

(19) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall execute their respective department or agency COOP plans in response to a localized emergency and shall:

(a) Appoint a senior accountable official, at the Assistant Secretary level, as the Continuity Coordinator for the department or agency;

(b) Identify and submit to the National Continuity Coordinator the list of PMEFs for the department or agency and develop continuity plans in support of the NEFs and the continuation of essential functions under all conditions;

(c) Plan, program, and budget for continuity capabilities consistent with this directive;

(d) Plan, conduct, and support annual tests and training, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, in order to evaluate program readiness and ensure adequacy and viability of continuity plans and communications systems; and

(e) Support other continuity requirements, as assigned by category, in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities

General Provisions

(20) This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate

support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.

(21) This directive:

(a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;

(b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and

(c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its

agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.

(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.

GEORGE W. BUSH
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When a major event like that happens you can't have a bunch of people second guessing you whether or not to go to war or which country to invade.  I mean look at the mess listening to more than 1 person got us into...



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So whadda think?  Is it possible that we will have to pay a tax for each email we send?!

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The era of tax-free e-mail, Internet shopping and broadband connections could end this fall, if recent proposals in the U.S. Congress prove successful.

State and local governments resumed a push to lobby Congress for far-reaching changes on two different fronts: gaining the ability to impose sales taxes on Net shopping, and being able to levy new monthly taxes on DSL and other connections. One senator is even predicting taxes on e-mail.

At the moment, states and municipalities are frequently barred by federal law from collecting both access and sales taxes. But they're hoping that their new lobbying effort, coordinated by groups including the National Governors Association, will pay off by permitting them to collect billions of dollars in new revenue by next year.

If that doesn't happen, other taxes may zoom upward instead, warned Sen. Michael Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, at a Senate hearing on Wednesday. "Are we implicitly blessing a situation where states are forced to raise other taxes, such as income or property taxes, to offset the growing loss of sales tax revenue?" Enzi said. "I want to avoid that."

A flurry of proposals that pro-tax advocates advanced push in that direction. Enzi introduced a bill that would usher in mandatory sales tax collection for Internet purchases. Second, in the House of Representatives, politicians weighed whether to let a temporary ban on Net access taxes lapse when it expires on November 1. A House backer of another pro-sales tax bill said this week to expect a final version by July.

"The independent and sovereign authority of states to develop their own revenue systems is a basic tenet of self government and our federal system," said David Quam, director of federal relations at the National Governors Association, during a Senate Commerce committee hearing on Wednesday.

Internet sales taxes
At the moment, for instance, Seattle-based Amazon.com is not required to collect sales taxes on shipments to millions of its customers in states like California, where Amazon has no offices. (Californians are supposed to voluntarily pay the tax owed when filing annual state tax returns, but few do.)

Ideas to alter this situation hardly represent a new debate: officials from the governors' association have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least six years. They invoke arguments--unsuccessful so far--like saying that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police.

But with Democrats now in control of both chambers of Congress, the political dynamic appears to have shifted in favor of the pro-tax advocates and their allies on Capitol Hill. The NetChoice coalition, which counts as members eBay, Yahoo and the Electronic Retailing Association and opposes the sales tax plan, fears that the partisan shift will spell trouble.

One long-standing objection to mandatory sales tax collection, which the Supreme Court in a 1992 case left up to Congress to decide, is the complexity of more than 7,500 different tax agencies that each have their own (and frequently bizarre) rules. Some legal definitions (PDF) tax Milky Way Midnight candy bars as candy and treat the original Milky Way bar as food. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies are candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites are classified as food.

The pro-tax forces say that a concept called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement will straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws. Enzi's bill, introduced this week, relies on the agreement when providing "federal authorization" to require out-of-state retailers "to collect and remit the sales and use taxes" due on the purchase. (Small businesses with less than $5 million in out-of-state sales are exempted.)

It's "important to level the playing field for all retailers," Enzi said during Wednesday's hearing.

While it's too early to know how much support Enzi's bill will receive, foes of higher taxation are marshaling their allies. Sen. Ted Stevens, an Alaska Republican, said Wednesday that he'd like "to see an impregnable ban on taxes on the Internet."

Jeff Dircksen, the director of congressional analysis at the National Taxpayers Union in Alexandria, Va., said in written testimony prepared for the hearing: "If such a system of extraterritorial collection is allowed, Congress will have opened the door to any number of potential tax cartels that will eventually harm rather than help taxpayers."

Internet access taxes
A second category of higher Net taxes is technically unrelated, but is increasingly likely to be linked when legislation is debated in Congress later this year. That category involves access taxes, meaning taxes that local and state governments levy to single out broadband or dial-up connections. (See CNET News.com's Tech Politics podcast this week with former House Majority Leader Dick Armey on this point.)

If the temporary federal moratorium is allowed to expire in November, states and municipalities will be allowed to levy a dizzying array of Net access taxes--meaning a monthly Internet connection bill could begin to resemble a telephone bill or airline ticket with innumerable and confusing fees tacked on at the end. In some states, telephone fees, taxes and surcharges run as high as 20 percent of the bill.

These fees that states levy on mobile phones, cable TV and landlines run far higher than state sales taxes at an average of 13.3 percent, cost the average household $264 a year, and total $41 billion annually, according to a report published by the Chicago-based Heartland Institute this month. Landlines are taxed at the highest rate, 17.23 percent, with Internet access being virtually tax free, with the exception of a few states that were grandfathered in a decade ago.

Dircksen, from the National Taxpayers Union, urged the Senate to "encourage economic growth and innovation in the telecommunications sector--in contrast to higher taxes, fees and additional regulation" by at least renewing the expiring moratorium, and preferably making it permanent. Broadband providers like Verizon Communications also want to make the ban permanent.

But state tax collectors are steadfastly opposed to any effort to renew the ban, let alone impose a permanent extension. Harley Duncan, the executive director of the Federation of Tax Administrators, said that higher taxes will not discourage broadband adoption and his group "urges Congress not to extend the Act because it is disruptive of and poses long-term dangers for state and local fiscal systems."

Sen. Daniel Inouye, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, said: "Listening to the testimony, I would opt for a temporary extension, if at all."

If the moratorium expires, one ardent tax foe is predicting taxes on e-mail. A United Nations agency proposed in 1999 the idea of a 1-cent-per-100-message tax, but retreated after criticism. (A similar proposal, called bill "602P," is, however, actually an urban legend.)

"They might say, 'We have no interest in having taxes on e-mail,' but if we allow the prohibition on Internet taxes to expire, then you open the door on cities and towns and states to tax e-mail or other aspects of Internet access," said Sen. John Sununu, a New Hampshire Republican. "We need to be honest about what we're endorsing and what we're opposing."
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E-mail taxes will never happen, simply because there is no reasonable way to track such activity.

States already do tax Internet sales, so that is a moot point.  It's called a "use tax" and it must be declared every year on your state 1040.  This also presents another technological hurdle, since you can't require an out-of-state business to forward taxes to your home state.  As such, any tax would have to be paid by the purchaser, not the vendor.

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Thanks for that info, bob, that put me somewhat at ease.  Now if we can only defeat any attempt of Internet 2!

Here's a new story:

When you go into the military you are exposed to depleted uranium, you are forced into testing of experimental injections, and now...you have no free speech!

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Raising questions about 9/11 gets an Army sergeant demoted for “disloyalty.”

These days, Donald Buswell’s job is not as exciting or dangerous as it once was. For the past few months, his working hours have been spent taking care of some 40-plus wounded soldiers at San Antonio’s Fort Sam Houston medical center. The work is sometimes menial, even janitorial, but he doesn’t mind. After all, Buswell has been where these men are — three years ago, he too was recovering from wounds received in a battle zone in Iraq.

“I truly consider this an honor,” Buswell told his dad not long ago.

Still, it’s not exactly where Buswell expected to be after 20 years of well-respected service in the Army.

Since joining the Army in 1987, he had risen to the rank of sergeant first class, serving in both Gulf Wars, Bosnia, Rwanda, and Korea. He ended up with shrapnel scars and a Purple Heart and, back in the U.S. after his last tour in Iraq, a job as intelligence analyst at Fort Sam Houston.

He couldn’t have foreseen that one e-mail could derail his career and put him on his way out of the Army. One e-mail, speculating about events that millions of people have questioned for the last six years, was all it took.

Sgt. Buswell wants to know: What really happened on 9/11? And he said so in his e-mail. In the few paragraphs of that August 2006 message — a reply not to someone outside the service, but to other soldiers — Buswell wrote that he thought the official report of what happened that day at the Pentagon, and in the Pennsylvania crash of United Airlines Flight 93, was full of errors and unanswered questions.

“Who really benefited from what happened that day?” he asked rhetorically. Not “Arabs,” but “the Military Industrial Complex,” Buswell concluded. “We must demand a new, independent investigation.”

For voicing those opinions in an e-mail to 38 people on the San Antonio Army base, Buswell was stripped of his security clearance, fired from his job, demoted, and ordered to undergo a mental health exam.

(He was also ordered not to speak with the press. Information for this story came from documents, conversations with Buswell’s family members and friends, and sources within Fifth Army who asked not to be named.)

As if all that weren’t enough, Fort Sam Houston’s chief of staff penned a letter accusing Buswell of “making statements disloyal to the United States.”

His father, Winthrop Buswell, said that his son “is one of the most patriotic people I know.”

“Donald saw something that his conscience led him to dispute,” he said. “That’s just the type of man he is.”

For his dissent, Donald has paid a heavy price.

Baghdad’s early light danced across the surface of a man-made lake. For Buswell, that April 2004 morning was the perfect time for a run. Behind him, the soldiers of Baghdad’s Camp Victory were, for the most part, not yet stirring. The path he took was a historic one: In the palace just a couple of hundred yards away, surrounded by the lake, Saddam Hussein was in custody, locked away in a former torture cell.

Five miles into the jog, Buswell paused to catch his breath, and something splashed in the water nearby with unusual force. He jumped back, surprised, and surveyed the area with care. Seeing no threat, he resumed his run, heading toward a couple of Iraqi men painting a small building.

Seconds later, Buswell heard a growing whistle and turned just in time to see a 122mm rocket barreling toward him. He dove out of the way, and the round hit several dozen yards behind him. Picking himself up off the ground, he saw another white trail forming over the water. He started running again, but had made it only a few steps when the force of another impact blew him to the ground. Shrapnel, rocks, and dirt rained down on him. Ahead, a fourth round hit the Iraqi painters, blowing off body parts and engulfing them in flames.

Horrified, Buswell ran toward the men and tried to extinguish the flames. The men were still alive, screaming in agony. Then, he heard the increasingly familiar whistle of another rocket and once again hit the dirt. The one that struck the nearby road was a dud, like the first that hit the water. Had it exploded, Buswell probably would have died. When he turned to look again at the two Iraqi men, he saw they were dead, their bodies charred and smoking.

“It was like the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan,” his dad recalled him saying.

By this time, troops from the camp were running toward the scene. Only when the first of those soldiers arrived and screamed for a medic did Buswell realize he’d been hit. Sharp flakes of metal were embedded up and down his left leg and all over the right side of his back.

The relatively minor wounds Buswell suffered that day were his first in a battle zone, despite the fact that he’d served in southern Iraq during Desert Storm a decade before. In his first few years in the Army, Buswell had been a metalworker and had dealt with explosives. Since 1990, he had been an intelligence analyst.

Buswell’s wounds were cleaned and bandaged within an hour of the rocket attack, and he rejoined his unit almost immediately. But 2004 had more — and more pleasant — developments in store for him.

Two months after the attack, he returned to the United States, to Fort Hood in Central Texas, and married his girlfriend Lori, officially becoming step-dad to her 11-year-old daughter Kaitlyn, who calls him “DD” (Daddy Donald) for short. In one of those strange quirks of war, Buswell had actually met Lori’s ex-husband and Kaitlyn’s dad — Darren Cunningham — while both were based at Camp Victory. The two became close friends. When Cunningham, a military police officer, was killed in a rocket attack in October 2004, just a month before his retirement, Buswell became even more of a father figure for Kaitlyn — and in some ways helped Cunningham’s family deal with his death.

For the next two years, Buswell worked at his intelligence post at Fort Hood, then was transferred to a similar job in San Antonio. But as he worked, he studied and read about what had happened on 9/11 — and came to the conclusions that would get him in so much trouble.

The terrorist attacks of 2001 had a profound effect on Buswell.

Before the much-disputed presidential election of 2000, Buswell shared with his father a view that very few held at the time. He was convinced that if George W. Bush won, he would take the country to war with Iraq to finish his father’s work. He believed the younger Bush would be too beholden to oil interests — and feared what that would mean for America’s foreign policy.

When the planes hit the World Trade Center towers on 9/11, Buswell later told his father, he figured that war with Iraq was coming, even if the country had nothing to do with the attacks. Being a loyal soldier, he kept his views private for a long while.

“He didn’t want to rock the boat,” Buswell’s father said. “Like all of us, he was somewhat in shock after what happened on 9/11.” And, as he told his father, his job was to serve. He was proud to do it, no matter who was directing policy.

By the time he was transferred to Fort Sam Houston, Buswell had developed strong opinions about what had happened. He had come to believe that the World Trade Center attacks were aided by persons on the inside and that the planes that crashed into the towers were just one component of a larger, more complex attack. The career soldier had effectively become a member of what’s known as the “9/11 truth movement,” which has continued to grow in spite of news media coverage that has generally refused to take the questions seriously. The movement includes many factions, espousing theories from the somewhat plausible to the really out-there folks who talk about space weapons bringing down the New York towers. The doubters include people like Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who recently agreed to distribute Loose Change Final Cut, a 9/11 conspiracy movie, and actors Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, whose 9/11 dissents have been well-publicized.

In light of his new job, Buswell wanted to make sure his superiors knew of his views. He went to Chief Warrant Officer Mario Torres, a legal advisor to his division at Fort Sam Houston. Buswell told Torres he would not be willing to write reports or give speeches that required him to say things he didn’t believe regarding 9/11.

He shared with Torres his belief that the facts contradicted large parts of the official story of what had happened that day, calling the attacks an “inside job” — one of the central beliefs of many truth movement members. Torres didn’t see a problem: Buswell would not be working on anything related to 9/11, he said, and compared the sergeant’s views versus the official story to liking beer over wine. His concerns dismissed, Buswell went to work.

It was only a few weeks later, on Aug. 2, when Buswell received the e-mail that knocked his career off its tracks. The unsolicited message was sent to him and 38 others by someone who gave his name as Larry Anderson. No such person could be located at the San Antonio fort, and Buswell’s superiors declined to comment or to talk about the sender of the original e-mail.

The e-mail’s subject line read: “F4 vs. Concrete Wall.” The message referred to “loony liberal reasoning” that there must have been a conspiracy involved in the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon because there allegedly wasn’t enough airplane debris left behind for the building to have been hit by an airliner. Anderson referred to a film clip showing, he said, an Air Force engineering test in which an F4 Phantom fighter jet crashed at 500 mph into a heavily reinforced concrete wall surrounding a nuclear reactor site. The jet “turned to vapor,” Anderson claimed, thereby explaining the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

Later that day, Buswell committed the same infraction as Anderson: From his Army computer, he sent a mass reply to all the folks who got the initial message. Buswell’s crime was clicking the “Reply All” button — a mistake he still regrets.

The comparison between the F4 and a 757 hitting the Pentagon, he wrote, “serves only to muddy the issue,” because the fighter jet hitting a concrete barrier hardened to nuclear containment standards is very different from a plane hitting the Pentagon. The real issue, Buswell said, was that the official story on what happened that day “is filled with errors.

“We all know and saw 2 planes hitting the WTC buildings,” he wrote. “[W]e didn’t see the 757 hit the Pentagon, nor did we see the plane crash in Shanksville, PA. Both the PA and Pentagon ‘crashes’ don’t have [the] tell-tale signs of a jumbo-jet impacting those zones!

“The Pentagon would have huge wing impacts in the side of the building; it didn’t. Shanksville, PA would have had debris, and a large debris field; it didn’t.”

He went on to express doubt that “some Arabs in caves with cell phones” had been responsible for the tragedies of that day.

“I mean, how are Arabs benefiting from pulling off 9/11?” Buswell asked. “They have more war, more death and dismal conditions, so, how did 911 benefit them? Answer: It didn’t. So, who benefited from 9-11? The answer is sad, but simple: The Military Industrial Complex.” The idea of a 9/11 conspiracy, he added, is neither “Liberal Lunacy ... nor is it Conservative Kookiness.”

“People, fellow citizens we’ve been had!” he wrote. “We must demand a new independent investigation into 911 and look at all the options of that day ... Even the most incredulous theories must be examined.”

Not an opinion one might have expected from a career soldier — but then, expressing opinions, especially those of dissent, is the American way. The e-mail exchange hadn’t seemed particularly important to Buswell, he later told his family. He found out differently the next morning.

His key wouldn’t open the door to his office.

That was the first clue Buswell had that something was wrong. In short order, he was informed that a “15-6 investigation” had been opened regarding his use of the military e-mail network. It’s the same designation given the investigation into the Abu Ghraib torture scandal.

Over the next few days, Buswell was informed of the removal of his security clearance, subjected to intense scrutiny and intimidation, and alienated from other members of his intelligence division when he was relegated to secretarial work while the investigation went on. He was fired from his job and demoted to platoon sergeant.

In a letter appointing Major Edwin Escobar to lead the investigation, Col. Luke S. Green, chief of staff of the Fifth Army, wrote, “SFC Buswell failed to obey a general order or regulation when he used his Government issued email account to send messages disloyal to the United States [emphasis added] with the intent of engendering disloyalty or disaffection for the United States in a manner that brought discredit upon the United States Army.”

Green added that Buswell “allegedly asserts that he has information that proves a conspiracy on the part of the US military industrial complex to attack targets within the United States (e.g., The Pentagon), opinions which he asserts publicly and over Government email systems.”

However, no other documents related to the investigation mention Buswell’s opinions or question his loyalty. Officially, he was charged only with violating an Army policy regarding use of the military’s e-mail network. Winthrop Buswell said his son has acknowledged the infraction, but also noted it was the first time he’d ever heard of the rule being enforced.

Green, at the behest of Lt. General, Robert T. Clark, deputy commanding general of the Fifth Army, ordered that Buswell undergo a mental health exam. However, the physician in charge of the medical center’s mental health division declined to administer the test, saying that Buswell’s actions did not warrant it.

Buswell fought back. He contacted U.S. Rep. Charles A. Gonzales of San Antonio to register a complaint. Gonzales subsequently requested information from the Army about the investigation, but according to his aides, no other action has been taken. The request was given a congressional inquiry case number and promptly put aside.

In another sense though, Buswell has given up — at least on the idea of continuing his Army career. He filed retirement papers, set to take effect April 1, 2008.

“Donald expressed to me his disappointment in the Army after all that has happened,” said his father. “I raised my son to love America. He still gets chills when he sees the flag flying and hears our national anthem. He’s committed his life to serving our country, only to get tossed aside like this. It brings me great sadness.”

When his son gets out, he said, he plans to become an advocate for the 9/11 truth movement.

For the last 10 months, Buswell has spent his days tending to the needs of wounded Iraq War veterans at the San Antonio medical center.

“The service has mostly been good to Donald,” said the elder Buswell, a painter and retired locomotive engineer from Loudon, N.H. “He wouldn’t have made a career out of it if it wasn’t. But after all the controversy and the investigation, the thing that surprises me most is how he reacted to being fired. When they assigned him to the medical center, he told me, ‘Dad, I truly consider this to be an honor. To be given such an important task as some kind of retaliation against me is confusing, but it is truly my honor to help these men and women right now.’”

On the other hand, the elder Buswell said, his son’s empathy toward the soldiers now in his care isn’t surprising.

“He provides great solace to the soldiers,” Winthrop said. “He is a good listener and knows what they’re going through, having been in Iraq and suffering injuries there as well. They truly appreciate him.”

Family members say that’s par for the course for Buswell, a guy who delivered a Father’s Day present to Darren Cunningham from his daughter back in 2004 and even consulted Darren about raising his friend’s daughter, from whom Cunningham had years earlier become estranged.

“I don’t know what I’ve done in my life to deserve such a blessing, but having Donny around has helped me and my family deal with losing Darren,” said Glenn Cunningham, Darren’s older brother. “I really admire and respect Donny for that, and because of how principled he is. Some people don’t have the sense of honor that Donny has. And, you know, Donny ... He says things sometimes that get him into trouble, but he says them because he feels it’s the right thing to do. And I really, deeply respect that.”

To this day, Winthrop Buswell said, his son still cannot believe the military would come down on him so hard for sharing a view widely held across the United States.

“Donald really did nothing wrong,” his father said. “He responded to an e-mail. How many of us in civilian life respond to e-mail forwards from co-workers or friends? Is that really a crime? ... He is convinced, as I am also, that the 9/11 attacks are not what they seem. We love this country. I even voted for Bush in 2000. Sadly, I must say that I do regret it.”

He shares many of his son’s doubts and questions about what happened six years ago.

“When you look back at that day — that terrible, terrible day — it seems almost like another lifetime ago,” he said. “Donald believes bombs were planted in the towers and that the investigation exhibited a number of very questionable characteristics. Like, how could fire melt the steel core of the towers? Or, why did the 9/11 Commission not talk about World Trade Center 7? That [building] fell around 5 p.m., but we don’t know why. And if it is true what we’ve heard recently, that a physics professor at [Brigham Young University] found elements of steel-cutting agents in the melted steel from the towers, why is that met with cries of insanity? There is a possibility that what really happened was much more than what we were told.”

Not everyone close to the Buswells shares those views. Glenn Cunningham, who has become close friends with Buswell, much like his brother Darren, does not put much stock in conspiracy theories.

“I’m not one for conspiracies, but from what Donny is saying, it really does sound kinda questionable,” he said. “But I haven’t looked at it. I’m not in any movement ... And I just can’t imagine what people expect to come out of it. Of course I want to know the truth. Truth is always important, and if they’re lying to cover something up, we should find out. But then what?”

Winthrop Buswell isn’t strident when he talks about 9/11. He just raises questions and encourage others to do the same — and that’s all his son has done, he said.

“I pray Donald does not get in further trouble for standing up and speaking with his conscience,” he said. “I wish we were not all swept up in it. But here we are. So what will we do?

“Donald told me once, ‘Dad, I hate feeling the way I do. I just hate it. And if I’m wrong, gosh, I’ll just apologize to no end. But I can’t deny where the facts have led, and I can’t tell you how disappointed I am. The evidence just seems so prominent, and the question must be asked.’”

“Sadly, I agree with my son,” concluded Buswell. “I want the truth. Nothing less. We should all want that.”

Stephen C. Webster is a freelance journalist in North Texas. A version of this story appeared originally in the Lone Star Iconoclast, published in Crawford, Texas.
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That's an interesting article.  Although I think he's being punished far too harshly, it was pretty retarded of him to accuse the government of attacking American Citizens while using a government-provided e-mail address and writing to other government employees.

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A Michigan man has been fined $400 and given 40 hours of community service for accessing an open wireless Internet connection outside a coffee shop.

Under a little known state law against computer hackers, Sam Peterson II, of Cedar Springs, Mich., faced a felony charge after cops found him on March 27 sitting in front of the Re-Union Street Café in Sparta, Mich., surfing the Web from his brand-new laptop.

Last week, Peterson chose the fine as part of a jail-diversion program.

"I think a lot of people should be shocked, because quite honestly, I still don't understand it myself," Peterson told FOXNews.com "I do not understand how this is illegal."

His troubles began in March, a couple of weeks after he had bought his first laptop computer.

Peterson, a 39-year-old tool maker, volunteer firefighter and secretary of a bagpipe band, wanted to use his 30-minute lunch hour to check e-mails for his bagpipe group.

He got on the Internet by tapping into the local coffee shop's wireless network, but instead of going inside the shop to use the free Wi-Fi offered to paying customers, he chose to remain in his car and piggyback off the network, which he said didn't require a password.

He used the system on his lunch breaks for more than a week, and then the police showed up.

"I was sitting there reading my e-mail and he came up and stuck his head inside my window and asked me who I was spying on," Peterson told FOXNews.com.

Someone from a nearby barbershop had called cops after seeing Peterson's car pull up every day and sit in front of the coffee shop without anybody getting out.

"I just curiously asked him, 'Where are you getting the Internet connection?', you know," Sparta Police Chief Andrew Milanowski said. "And he said, 'From the café.'"

Milanowski ruled out Peterson as a possible stalker of the attractive local hairdresser, but still felt that a law might have been broken.

"We came back and we looked up the laws and we figured if we found one and thought, 'Well, let's run it by the prosecutor's office and see what they want to do,'" Milanowski said.
A few weeks later Peterson said he received a letter from Kent County court officials saying that he faced a felony charge of fraudulent access to computer networks and that a request had been made for an arrest warrant.

The law, introduced in 1979 to protect Internet and private-network users from hackers, and amended in 2000 to include wireless systems, makes piggybacking off of Wi-Fi networks, even those without a password, illegal.

Peterson was given two choices: He could try to fight the felony charge and face a sentence of up to 5 years in jail or a $10,000 fine; or he could enroll in the jail-diversion program, which would require paying a $400 fine, doing 40 hours of community service and staying on probation for six months.

After consulting two lawyers — both of whom were up until then unaware of the law — he decided last week to take the jail-diversion program.

If he fails to complete it, the felony charges will be filed.

"A lot of people tell me I should fight this, but they're not the ones looking at the felony charges on their record if it happens to go bad," Peterson said.

The case has surprised locals, including the owner of the barbershop that initially called police, as well as Donna May, owner of the coffee shop.

"He could have just come in the cafe, even if he had any money, I would let him get on it," May said.

May said that the wireless connection is free for customers to her cafe.

The barbershop owner defended his decision to call police.

"I felt bad about it, but we've had problems in the past," said the man, who declined to give his name. "I'd rather be safe than sorry."

For Peterson, who's never had a criminal record, the experience has been an eye-opening one.

"All over the TV, all the commercials and whatnot you see, they're all trying to get you to buy all these laptops and things that are wireless," he said. "They're trying to get you to buy this wireless stuff because you can go anywhere and still be connected.

"Well, they don't happen to tell you that it's illegal," he continued. "And I guess obviously you're just supposed to know that."


Make sure you watch your backs, guys!  The fact that this man was prosecuted for this "crime" is patently ridiculous (and a felony, no less)!

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I do "like" how the cop was "looking to see if anything illegal was done".  Like cops have nothing better to do now that they must look up "laws" because they suspect something illegal is going on?  It's usually the other way around...officers have a law they know and need to see if someone is doing it!

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WASHINGTON - A violent crime spike in four cities led the Justice Department on Friday to dispatch additional teams of federal agents to combat guns, gangs or surging murder rates in Mesa, Ariz.; Orlando, Fla.; San Bernardino, Calif., and San Juan, Puerto Rico.
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At the same time, a new internal Justice report rapped crime-busting task forces for failing to coordinate efforts and potentially endangering agents' lives.

"Each of these cities has seen an unacceptable increase in homicides or other violent crimes," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told employees at the Washington headquarters of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Authorities in each have come forward and asked for our help."

Defying critics who have demanded his resignation over the firings of U.S. attorneys, Gonzales said he would spend the final 18 months of his tenure "in a sprint" to curb violent crime.

The influx of agents brings the number of ATF Violent Crime Impact Teams, which first deployed three years ago, to 29 cities. The FBI is also adding to its more than 180 Safe Streets Task Forces by sending one to Orlando, which Gonzales said has been plagued by gang violence.

Orlando police spokeswoman Barbara Jones said the department "welcomes any additional federal support in our efforts to combat violent crime."

No additional funds or grants are expected to be funneled to communities to bolster their own law enforcement efforts, Justice officials said. Gonzales also called anew for new laws to strengthen penalties against criminals, including imposing mandatory minimum sentences on federal convicts.

The report, released Friday by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, warned of problems with federal crime-fighting task forces. It concluded the teams duplicate efforts and compete for help from local authorities while failing to communicate among themselves. The poor communication, in particular, resulted in three so-called "blue-on-blue" cases where federal agents mistook each other for criminals.

Those incidents, which the report found "put officers' safety at risk," included:

_An undercover ATF agent and informant in Chicago bought a loaded gun from an informant working for the FBI's Safe Streets task force.

_FBI Safe Streets agents in Atlanta pulled over a member of a U.S. Marshals Service fugitive task force whose car matched the description of a suspect both teams were looking for.

_ATF agents working an undercover sting at a Las Vegas gun show arrested a suspect for illegally buying firearms. The buyer turned out to be an informant working for the FBI — even though the ATF had taken steps to make sure there would be no overlap between federal agencies.

Fine's inspectors studied task forces in eight cities: Atlanta, Birmingham, Ala., Camden, N.J., Chicago, Gary, Ind., Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia. Nearly 130 task force members in the cities reported working on at least 45 duplicate investigations.

Gonzales said Justice's investigative agencies have already taken steps to fix the problems, and were ordered in March to make sure their task forces coordinate and share information with each other to prevent overlap. Additionally, the nation's 93 U.S. attorneys were told last month to meet with task force leaders in their districts and fix any coordination problems.

Between 2003 and 2006, Fine's report showed, 210 Justice Department task forces were working in 256 cities nationwide.

ATF Director Michael J. Sullivan said each of his Violent Crime Impact Teams cost an estimated $1.5 million in personnel, equipment and other expenses. After being strapped by budget cuts last year, the new teams are being deployed now so "we can come in with money and bodies — we can have new agents, investigators, intel analysts" to help local authorities, Sullivan said in an interview.

But violent crime nationally continued to climb last year, if at a slower pace than in 2005, which marked the first increase since 2001.

FBI data set for release Monday is expected to show an overall 1.3 percent rise in violent crime during 2006, according to a Justice Department official who had seen the numbers. Comparatively, violent crime increased by 2.2 percent in 2005.

A second Justice Department official said the murder rate also is up, if modestly, but robberies rose by as much as 6 percent. And a third department official said the number of property crimes — such as burglary, car theft and arson — again dropped.

All three officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the data had not yet been released.


This is one of the most frelled up things I've heard since the Mexican troops went to New Orleans to help gun confiscations.  The feds need to be more concerned with their own territory like the senator with 90K in his freeze or how about that big war on terror/drugs/rubix cube knock offs.  Let the states take care of themselves and bloody leave everything alone.  You do enough damage without an armed force in an unfamiliar environment.

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WASHINGTON _ Florida evangelist Bill Keller says he was making a spiritual -- not political -- statement when he warned the 2.4 million subscribers to his Internet prayer ministry that ``if you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!''

But the Washington-based advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) should revoke the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status of Bill Keller Ministries, nonetheless.



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'' If the former Massachusetts governor wins the GOP nomination and the presidency, Keller's message added, it will ``ultimately lead millions of souls to the eternal flames of hell.''

In a letter to the IRS on Thursday, Americans United called Keller's message a violation of the ban on partisan politicking by tax-exempt religious groups.

Keller, in a telephone interview, laughed off the controversy. ``Let them come after me for making a spiritual statement about Mitt Romney. I would love that,'' he said. ``Bring it on.''


This is the problem with 503 trap that churches get into.  They don't need to file for a 503 because they are already exempt from taxes.  This is just a way for the govt to get its hands in the church.

Ya know when we try to put up a manger scene on a church lawn...it's a violation of church and state.  When the govt tells pastors what to say...it's a tax case?

What happens if the Dems get their hate crimes bill to pass and then pastors won't be able to say anything about homosexuality, sin, absolutes, and a bunch of other stuff the world hates to be brought to light.

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Suppose you happen to be in a serious car wreck. Or maybe you get shot or suffer cardiac arrest. If you live in King County, it might also mean that in that life-or-death moment, you will become part of an experiment — without your consent.

Researchers at the University of Washington have been studying various treatments for patients in such extreme situations. And because patients can be unconscious or too injured to consent, federal guidelines now allow the doctors to bypass longstanding ethics rules that require so-called "informed consent."

The researchers say the experimental treatments are safe — maybe even safer than the procedures considered standard protocol at the moment. And they argue that they need the research to improve emergency medical care.

"If you don't do these studies, care will never improve," said Dr. Eileen Bulger, a trauma surgeon at Harborview Medical Center who is leading one study.

But some experts in medical ethics find the situation troubling. They point to previous studies in which waiving consent in test subjects went too far, and they warn that some earlier experiments in emergency medicine may very well have cost people their lives.

"We're not a nation of research subjects," said George Annas, a bioethicist at Boston University. "It's simple: You shouldn't do research on people without their consent. It's not rocket science."

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More about the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium studies:

The UW studies are part of a $50 million, five-year project called the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium, now under way in 11 communities in the U.S. and Canada. In all, researchers plan to involve nearly 21,000 people as part of the first large-scale effort to improve pre-hospital trauma and cardiac-arrest care. That's the care given by emergency responders while patients are in an ambulance or even before they are loaded aboard.

Bulger's study, which began last summer, is testing a stronger version of the saline solution given to trauma patients to help stabilize their blood pressure.

Another UW study, set to begin next month, will test a procedure in which cardiac-arrest patients — those whose hearts have stopped — are given CPR for a full three minutes before medics turn to electrical defibrillators. It also will test a device that is supposed to help get more blood to the heart during CPR.

A system is set up to choose randomly which patients get experimental treatments instead of the standard procedures. Once patients arrive at a hospital — most likely Harborview Medical Center — the experimental treatments will stop.

Opting out


If you don't want to be subject to the experimental treatment, you should:

Contact the study administrators.

Ask for a free stainless-steel bracelet etched with the words "No Research Study."

Be wearing the bracelet when the emergency occurs.

Patients, or their survivors, will be told later they were part of the study — but in most cases, not which treatment they got.

To permit such research, the federal Food and Drug Administration has waived the usual consent requirements for some studies. In lieu of getting individual consent, researchers must conduct "community consultation and public disclosure."

Locally, that meant researchers contacted media outlets, placed information in newsletters and on the online classified-ad site Craigslist, created Web sites and bought bus ads.

Researchers also commissioned telephone polls to ask several hundred people whether they would want to receive experimental treatments without consenting or being told how it compared to standard care. About 75 percent said they would.

That means that now anyone who suffers cardiac arrest, head injuries or goes into shock in King County will be automatically enrolled in the studies — unless they specifically opt out ahead of time.

To opt out, people have to contact the study administrators and ask for a free stainless-steel bracelet etched with the words "No Research Study." And they would have to be wearing it when it matters.

Lab rats?

Ethicists are skeptical that those steps are enough to overcome the hefty ramifications of experimenting on unknowing people in extremely traumatic situations.

"There is very, very little guidance about what it means to do an adequate 'community consultation,' " said David Magnus, who directs the Stanford Center for Biomedical Ethics at Stanford University. "That's a big problem."

Underlying ethicists' concerns are some deaths of emergency patients, elsewhere in the country, who had received experimental synthetic blood substitutes in studies done without consent several years ago. Because of those problems, the FDA is now reviewing the consent-waiver guidelines.

Annas, of Boston University, suggests that if everyone in the community could potentially become research subjects, "you should have a vote." Or at least do a better job of informing the broader populace by handing out consent forms at toll booths or fairs, he said.

"Consent is a basic rule of health law and medical ethics, and my argument is we should take it seriously," he said.

For a patient, there is a big difference between "research" and "treatment," Annas said: In "treatment," medical providers do what they believe is best in a given situation — not what's dictated by the research protocol.

Waiving the consent rules, he adds, is just a cover for "lazy investigators" who should work harder to obtain consent — or find other ways to test treatments. "Once you make exceptions here, we'll make exceptions everywhere," he said.

Research needed

The researchers say they need the research because much of what is done now for emergency patients has little evidence to back it up, particularly for cardiac arrest.

"When someone says, 'I don't want to be a guinea pig in a study,' I respect that," said Dr. Peter Kudenchuk, a UW cardiologist who is the top investigator for the local studies. "But you have to understand you're getting an experimental therapy when you're getting standard care."

The upshot is that people now get different emergency treatment based on where they live and which agencies respond to the emergencies, he said.

"There is no universal standard because no one really knows which approach is better."

Karen Moe, director of the UW's Human Subjects Division, the administrative arm of a board that reviews such research, agrees the studies presented "a very serious ethical issue that arouses a lot of very strong feelings in people."

That's why such studies are "regulated down to the tiniest detail, to make sure that this waiver of informed consent is granted only in very carefully defined, narrow circumstances," she said.

The bottom line, the researchers say, is that strict consent rules have held back progress.

"My chance of surviving cardiac arrest in the general community is no different than it was 20 or 30 years ago," Kudenchuk said.

Bulger, the Harborview doctor, points out that traumatic injuries are the leading cause of death for people under 45, a "huge public-health problem."

"If we want to make an impact in people who are at very high risk of dying from their injuries, we have to be able to do these studies," she said.


Whatever happen to the trust we had in doctors?  They are killing people in certain states, whatever happen to do no harm?  I'm sorry I won't be able to say "don't experiment on me" when I'm unconscious.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3dd_1181140608&p=1

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/giuliani_reporter_arrested_on_orders_of_giul...

Wow...they are arresting us now!!!  Ask a question...get arrested..even if you are the press.

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You guys know how much I dislike Prison Planet and Alex Jones, but that was absolutely uncalled for.  I hope the victim is cleared by the DA and is compensated appropriately for his time and trouble.

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It was on Drudge when I first found it.
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Wow, Ron Paul is really tearing up the post-debate polls.  Check this one out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731/

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And CNN had a poll but when Ron Paul was winning they took it down and put up to Dem. debate results.

Here's a screenshot before they took it down:

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Also Paul got only half the time that McCain and Gulianni got.  Plus when the question of health care came up they didn't ask the only DOCTOR on stage!  But they asked the only pastor on stage about religion.  It's amazing how blatant the mainstream media is on trying to silence the candidate that is getting the most support from the people.

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http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_attacks_giuliani_support_national_i...

Every time I hear Ron Paul speak I just become more and more enamored with him...and so does Tucker Carlson!!!

Here he's talking about true conservatism and the Nation ID card

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Giuliani is a tool.

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This is a total bullcrap spin by CNN on why Ron Paul is popular:

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Rep. Ron Paul answers a question from CNN’s Wolf Blitzer at Tuesday’s GOP debate.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — It’s been an exciting week for us at the Ticker – a few days ago, we opened up the comments section of our blog, and since then, we’ve received thousands of responses.

A large number of the ones we’ve posted so far have been from supporters of White House presidential hopeful Ron Paul, R-Texas.

But come Tuesday night’s GOP debate, we were inundated with Paul comments on our ticker post: “Who won the GOP debate?”

Many of the comments we received were supportive of the Texas congressman, while others registered frustration that the flood of Paul posts impeded the general online discussion, likening them to spam.

One thing is for sure: Ron Paul supporters are effective at coordinating and mobilizing online quickly. For the three GOP debates so far, Paul has won or placed high in most of the unscientific online surveys including ABC’s, MSNBC’s, FOX’s, and unscientific polls conducted on a number of blogs.

Paul virtually swept CNN’s unscientific survey after Tuesday night’s GOP debate: not only did participants say Paul won the debate, but also that he knew the most about the issues, had the best one-liner, had the most surprising performance, and got the biggest boost from the debate. (He wasn’t considered the snappiest dresser, however – see Mitt Romney). The topic is getting some play on conservative blogs, too.

These informal polls are unscientific because supporters can often vote more than once, and are not randomly selected, and while they may be useful indicator of a candidate’s ability to organize online, they are not generally an accurate measure of support across the electorate.

The comments section is intended to be informal, of course, but the strain on resources that night prompted us to take down the “Who won the GOP debate” question (though that didn’t stop Paul supporters from commenting; they started adding comments to the “Who won the Democratic debate?” post). The intention was not to censor Ron Paul supporters — right now, you’ll find hundreds of Paul posts on the site.

Given the volume of submissions, we do not post every comment. That said, we will always try to post as many as possible. We know how frustrating it can be to write something thoughtful and never see it published.

Right now “Ron Paul” is among the top-searched terms on Technorati, the popular site that tracks blog posts. According to the community Web site, Eventful, there are more than 16,000 outstanding “demands” for Paul to appear in cities across the country – that’s up 11,000 from just one week ago, leapfrogging him over Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York. Ron Paul video clips get plenty of play on YouTube and there is no shortage of blogs devoted to his support.

What do these numbers mean? How do you reconcile that support with the national poll numbers? In virtually every scientific national poll — generally regarded as the best measurement of public support for a political candidate — Paul registers, at most, between 1 and 2 percent. Do the debate numbers reflect something different than the national polls? Is it too early to tell?

Paul opposes abortion rights, voted to authorize a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border, supports withdrawing troops from Iraq, and defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Is he a “true conservative”? If indeed his support is growing, what is it going to take for Paul to break out and challenge the front-runners for the GOP presidential nomination?

We welcome your comments below.


If these polls are so wrong and don't reflect people's actual beliefs than why have all those Rudy or McCain supporters flooded them as well, even after Rudy told his supporters to do so as well.  It's as if CNN wants people to believe that a bunch of computer geeks are sitting at their comps and voting for Paul and re-voting for Paul all night.

Then they have the audacity to say that the comments made about him were boarding on spam.  I bet if Rudy had that many comments not only would they be left up but that the mainstream media would report on how many comments he got.  But since it's only a "nobody" it's spam and internet geeks screwing with the system.

Also, CNN must have a bazillion servers, you can't tell me that even if every American wrote a comment on that poll site that it would create such a lag that they would need to take it down.  No, only after 4 hours up, the comments were taken down as well as the voting poll!  Now you can't tell me that out of the 3 polls CNN runs daily that leaving up just the poll would tax their system.

If this isn't proof that CNN and the rest of the media are controlled...I don't know what is.

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Yeah, I'd like to CNN pull a program from their news channel because it was "too popular."  How retarded do they think we are?

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tomfeeney.jpgThe RIAA's campaign contributions are hard at work this week as members of Congress threaten to cut off federal funding to educational institutions if they don't stop file sharing on their networks.

Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) who, in the last election cycle, took money from Sony Pictures Entertainment, Time Warner, Universal Music, Viacom, Fox, the RIAA, and The Walt Disney Company, says:

    "We're spending a good deal of federal resources in terms of helping universities with their technological improvements, directly and indirectly," Feeney said. "Is it responsible for a Congress that wants to protect intellectual property rights to continue to fund network enhancements for universities if some of those enhancements are indirectly being used in fact to promote intellectual property theft?"

We like Greg Jackson, CIO of the University of Chicago, and Illinois State University dean of libraries Cheryl Elzy's responses:

    "So long as the right thing remains more daunting, awkward and unsatisfying than the wrong thing, too many people will do the wrong thing," Jackson said, referring to the digital rights management technology used widely in legally purchased music files....

    "If we rely on technology too much, it's going to interfere with legal uses of peer-to-peer technologies," Elzy said. Some of her own library files can be quite large, she added, and "I'd like to not have those blocked."

According to CNet, "Universities receive tens of billions of dollars a year in federal research money, and the Department of Education handed out $82 billion in 2007 in new grants and loans to students." —MEGHANN MARCO


This is what lobbiest give us...utter crap and bad politicians.

I can't believe what this guy is saying.

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Associated Press | June 8, 2007

ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) - Annapolis police raided the wrong apartment Wednesday night, using flash grenades and kicking a resident in the groin before they realized their mistake, police and the family said.

Police spokesman Hal Dalton said something must have gone amiss in the briefing beforehand. "We don't know how the mistake was made," Dalton said.

Silvia Bernal, 30, told The (Annapolis) Capital that about 15 officers burst through the front door of her apartment while she was cooking dinner about 8:20 p.m. She said the officers kicked her husband in the groin while she fled into a bedroom and barred the door with her body.

Then she said both of them were taken to the ground and handcuffed. The Capital said a police officer went outside and realized they had raided the wrong residence.

Dalton said they were supposed to have raided a different apartment and said the incident was regrettable.

Spa Cove apartment manager Latisha Marshall says there is a large dent in the front door. And she said there are two large black stains from the flash-bang grenades police deployed after entering the apartment.

When officers and the city's tactical squad went to the right unit, they said it was empty.


This is what happens when you try to militarize the police.  They become thugs.  We were so on track in the 80's.  We were getting rid of the image of the police as a group of official mofia members who could do what they want and moved towards a more professional servant.  This is just sick and I hope every officer who used excessive and the police dept gets taken to the bank.

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Whoever organized that raid needs to be fired, and whoever used excessive force needs the same treatment.  It'd be nice if a judge would allow the victim to dropkick the officer in the groin by way of retribution.

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Brian D. Kelly didn't think he was doing anything illegal when he used his videocamera to record a Carlisle police officer during a traffic stop. Making movies is one of his hobbies, he said, and the stop was just another interesting event to film.

Now he's worried about going to prison or being burdened with a criminal record.

Kelly, 18, of Carlisle, was arrested on a felony wiretapping charge, with a penalty of up to 7 years in state prison.

His camera and film were seized by police during the May 24 stop, he said, and he spent 26 hours in Cumberland County Prison until his mother posted her house as security for his $2,500 bail.

Kelly is charged under a state law that bars the intentional interception or recording of anyone's oral conversation without their consent.

The criminal case relates to the sound, not the pictures, that his camera picked up.

"I didn't think I could get in trouble for that," Kelly said. "I screwed up, yeah. I know now that I can't do that. I just don't see how something like this should affect my entire life."

Whether that will happen could be determined during Kelly's preliminary hearing before District Judge Jessica Brewbaker in July.

No one seems intent on punishing him harshly.

"Obviously, ignorance of the law is no defense," District Attorney David Freed said. "But often these cases come down to questions of intent."

According to police, Kelly was riding in a pickup truck that had been stopped for alleged traffic violations.

Police said the officer saw Kelly had a camera in his lap, aimed at him and was concealing it with his hands. They said Kelly was arrested after he obeyed an order to turn the camera off and hand it over.

The wiretap charge was filed after consultation with a deputy district attorney, police said.

Kelly said his friend was cited for speeding and because his truck's bumper was too low. He said he held the camera in plain view and turned it on when the officer yelled at his pal.

After about 20 minutes, the officer cited the driver on the traffic charges and told the men they were being recorded by a camera in his cruiser, Kelly said.

"He said, 'Young man, turn off your ... camera,'¤" Kelly said. "I turned it off and handed it to him. ... Six or seven more cops pulled up, and they arrested me."

Police also took film from his pockets that wasn't related to the traffic stop, he said.

Freed said his office has handled other wiretapping cases, some involving ex-lovers or divorcing couples who are trying to record former partners doing something improper for leverage in court battles, he said.

Such charges have been dismissed or defendants have been allowed to plead to lesser counts or enter a program to avoid criminal records, he said.

The outcome hinges on whether the person had a malicious intent, Freed said.

Carlisle Police Chief Stephen Margeson said allowing Kelly to plead to a lesser charge might be proper.

"I don't think that would cause anyone any heartburn," he said. "I don't believe there was any underlying criminal intent here."

But Margeson said he doesn't regard the filing of the felony charge as unwarranted and said the officer followed procedures.

John Mancke, a Harrisburg defense attorney familiar with the wiretapping law, said the facts, as related by police, indicate Kelly might have violated the law.

"If he had the sound on, he has a problem," Mancke said.

Last year, Mancke defended a North Middleton Twp. man in a street racing case that involved a wiretapping charge. Police claimed the man ordered associates to tape police breaking up an illegal race after officers told him to turn off their cameras.

That wiretapping count was dismissed when the man pleaded guilty to charges of illegal racing, defiant trespass and obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to probation.

An exception to the wiretapping law allows police to film people during traffic stops, Mancke said.

Margeson said his department's cruisers are equipped with cameras, and officers are told to inform people during incidents that they are being recorded.

First Assistant District Attorney Jaime Keating said case law is in flux as to whether police can expect not to be recorded while performing their duties.

"The law isn't solid," Keating said. "But people who do things like this do so at their own peril."

Kelly said he has called the American Civil Liberties Union for help in the case.

His father, Chris, said he's backing his son.

"We're hoping for a just resolution," he said.


This is the same thing that Alex Jone's reporter got charged with for having a camera on him when he got arrested.  And not to mention there are groups in states like IN and OH who videotape cops and don't get arrested.  I hope this cop gets taken to the bank too!

Geez oh pete, I'll have no trouble finding a job with punks like this getting fired.  However, if I'm suppose to act like this jerk...I'm screwed.

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Reply #666 - Jun 11th, 2007 at 2:49pm
 
haha thats great.

By the way, I keep forgetting to ask you pat...is taking an officers hat really an arrestable offence?  If it isn't i got a surprise for you if you ever pull me over...oh what the hell, even if it is I'll take your hat!

...just have to remember a video camera without sound to tape the rodney king aftermath so I can sue for millions!
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It is an arrestable offense because it constitutes assault on an officer and I could also arrest you for theft.  But if I pull you over I will just use the PIT maneuver on you and just laugh and wave.

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thats pretty harsh man!

considering that in my ranger if you try that my car WILL roll.  And if you know how much I love my car you prolly wouldn't do that =p
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Ha!  That'd be hilarious!

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Whistleblower Declaration and Other Key Documents Released to Public

San Francisco - More documents detailing secret government surveillance of AT&T's Internet traffic have been released to the public as part of the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against the telecom giant.

Some of the unsealed information was previously made public in redacted form. But after negotiations with AT&T, EFF has filed newly unredacted documents describing a secret, secure room in AT&T's facilities that gave the National Security Agency (NSA) direct access to customers' emails and other Internet communications. These include several internal AT&T documents that have long been available on media websites, EFF's legal arguments to the 9th Circuit, and the full declarations of whistleblower Mark Klein and of J. Scott Marcus, the former Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission, who bolsters and explains EFF's evidence.

"This is critical evidence supporting our claim that AT&T is cooperating with the NSA in the illegal dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary Americans," said EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. "This surveillance is under debate in Congress and across the nation, as well as in the courts. The public has a right to see these important documents, the declarations from our witnesses, and our legal arguments, and we are very pleased to release them."

EFF filed the class-action suit against AT&T last year, accusing the telecom giant of illegally assisting in the NSA's spying on millions of ordinary Americans. The lower court allowed the case to proceed and the government has now asked the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to dismiss the case, claiming that the lawsuit could expose state secrets. EFF's newly released brief in response outlines how the case should go forward respecting both liberty and security.

"The District Court rejected the government's attempt to sweep this case under the rug," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kurt Opsahl. "This country has a long tradition of open court proceedings, and we're pleased that as we present our case to the Court of Appeals, the millions of affected AT&T customers will be able to see our arguments and evidence and judge for themselves."

Oral arguments in the 9th Circuit appeal are set for the week of August 13.

For the unredacted Klein declaration:
http://eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_klein_decl.pdf

For the internal documents:
http://eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_klein_exhibits.pdf

For the unredacted Marcus declaration:
http://eff.org/legal/cases/att/SER_marcus_decl.pdf

For EFF's 9th Circuit brief:
http://eff.org/legal/cases/att/9thanswerbrief.pdf

For more on the class-action lawsuit against AT&T:
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/

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Cindy Cohn
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Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Kurt Opsahl
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Electronic Frontier Foundation
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This is linked from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

I was told by FOX and Sean Hannity and the other talking heads that this was a crazy conspiracy theory and only tin foil hat nut jobs believe in it.

It's amazing what we tell ourselves and have ourselves told to convince us that our govt does no harm.

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After Virginia Tech Shootings, House Passes Bill To Strengthen National Background Check System

CBS | June 14, 2007

After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.

"We'll work with anyone, if you protect the rights of law-abiding people under the second amendment and you target people that shouldn't have guns," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre told CBS News Correspondent Sheryl Atkisson

"As the Virginia Tech shooting reminded us, there is an urgent national need to improve the background check system" to keep guns out of the hands of those barred from buying them, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

The measure would require states to automate their lists of convicted criminals and the mentally ill who are prohibited under a 1968 law from buying firearms, and report those lists to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS.

Seung-Hui Cho, who in April killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech before taking his own life, had been ordered to undergo outpatient mental health treatment and should have been barred from buying the two guns he used in the rampage. But the state of Virginia never forwarded this information to the national background check system.

The House action came as a panel ordered by President Bush to investigate the Virginia Tech shootings issued its findings, including a recommendation that legal and financial barriers to NICS submissions be addressed.

Mr. Bush, in a statement, said the report made clear that better information sharing between federal and state authorities "is essential in helping to keep guns out of the wrong hands and to punish those who break the law." He said he was "closely following legislative efforts to strengthen the instant background check system."

The panel also urged federal agencies to expand programs to prevent school violence and said the Health and Human Services Department should focus on college students in its mental health public education campaign.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said the report disclosed "the deep complexities of the issues facing college campuses today" and would advance government scrutiny of issues related to safety vs. personal freedoms.

The House bill next moves to the Senate, where gun control advocate Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., says he is talking to NRA ally Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and there is a "very strong" chance of passage.

"When the NRA and I agree on legislation, you know that it's going to get through, become law and do some good," says Schumer.

The legislation requires state and federal agencies to transmit all relevant disqualifying records to the NICS database. It also provides $250 million a year over the next three years to help states meet those goals and it imposes penalties — including cuts in federal grants under an anti-crime law — on states that fail to meet benchmarks for automating their systems and supplying information to the NICS.

Virginia's Democratic Gov. Tim Kaine said Wednesday that in ordering state executive branch agencies to upgrade background check reporting last month he found that Virginia was one of only 22 states reporting any mental health information to the NICS. He said the House bill was “significant action to honor the memories of the victims who lost their lives at Virginia Tech.”
"Millions of criminal records are not accessible by NICS," said McCarthy, sponsor of the bill.

"I came to Congress in 1997, in the wake of my own personal tragedy, to help prevent gun violence," said McCarthy, who ran for office after her husband was gunned down on a Long Island commuter train in 1993. "Ten years later, I am more committed than ever to this cause."

McCarthy has been among the leaders in the largely futile efforts to legislate gun controls during the past dozen years of GOP control. The last major gun control bill, to ban some assault weapons, passed in 1994, the last year of a Democratic majority. In 1996, domestic violence offenders were added to the list of those barred from buying guns. However, a 1999 effort to close the gun show loophole on background checks after the Columbine school shootings was unsuccessful.

The NRA worked closely with Dingell, a gun rights proponent and senior House member, in crafting the new bill. The NRA insisted it was not gun control legislation because it does nothing to restrict legal rights to buy guns.

The NRA has supported the NICS since its inception in 1993, said Wayne LaPierre, the organization's executive vice president. “We've always been vigilant about protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens to purchase guns, and equally vigilant about keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally defective and people who shouldn't have them.”

The NRA did win concessions.

The bill would automatically restore the purchasing rights of veterans who were diagnosed with mental problems as part of the process of obtaining disability benefits. LaPierre said the Clinton administration put about 80,000 such veterans into the background check system.

It also outlines an appeals process for those who feel they have been wrongfully included in the system and ensures that funds allocated to improve the NICS are not used for other gun control purposes.

That wasn't enough for the Gun Owners of America, which said on its Web page that it was the only national pro-gun organization to oppose the McCarthy bill. "There are some seemingly pro-gun congressmen who are driven to get anything passed, just so they can say they did something about Virginia Tech," it said.

On the other side, Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his group supported the legislation, noting that the Virginia Tech shootings "tragically demonstrated the gaps in the system that allowed a dangerous person to be armed."

He said he hoped Congress and the gun lobby would go a step further and extend background checks to all gun sales, not just those by licensed dealers covered by current law.


I have told people for a long time now that the NRA is trying more and more to help Congress and the fed govt to pass gun legislation.  Shoot they even tried to throw out Ron Paul in his race because he spoke out against them supporting a previous gun ban bill.

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Fairfax County middle school student Hal Beaulieu hopped up from his lunch table one day a few months ago, sat next to his girlfriend and slipped his arm around her shoulder. That landed him a trip to the school office.

Among his crimes: hugging.

All touching -- not only fighting or inappropriate touching -- is against the rules at Kilmer Middle School in Vienna. Hand-holding, handshakes and high-fives? Banned. The rule has been conveyed to students this way: "NO PHYSICAL CONTACT!!!!!"

School officials say the rule helps keep crowded hallways and lunchrooms safe and orderly, and ensures that all students are comfortable. But Hal, 13, and his parents think the school's hands-off approach goes too far, and they are lobbying for a change.

"I think hugging is a good thing," said Hal, a seventh-grader, a few days before the end of the school year. "I put my arm around her. It was like for 15 seconds. I didn't think it would be a big deal."

A Fairfax schools spokesman said there is no countywide ban like the one at Kilmer, but many middle schools and some elementary schools have similar "keep your hands to yourself" rules. Officials in Arlington, Loudoun and Prince George's counties said schools in those systems prohibit inappropriate touching and disruptive behavior but don't forbid all contact.

Deborah Hernandez, Kilmer's principal, said the rule makes sense in a school that was built for 850 students but houses 1,100. She said that students should have their personal space protected and that many lack the maturity to understand what is acceptable or welcome.

"You get into shades of gray," Hernandez said. "The kids say, 'If he can high-five, then I can do this.' "

She has seen a poke escalate into a fight and a handshake that is a gang sign. Some students -- and these are friends -- play "bloody knuckles," which involves slamming their knuckles together as hard as they can. Counselors have heard from girls who are uncomfortable hugging boys but embarrassed to tell anyone. And in a culturally diverse school, officials say, families might have different views of what is appropriate.

It isn't as if hug police patrol the Kilmer hallways, Hernandez said. Usually an askance look from a teacher or a reminder to move along is enough to stop girls who are holding hands and giggling in a huddle or a boy who pats a buddy on the back. Students won't get busted if they high-five in class after answering a difficult math problem.

Typically, she said, only repeat offenders or those breaking other rules are reprimanded. "You have to have an absolute rule with students, and wiggle room and good judgment on behalf of the staff," Hernandez said.

Hal's parents, Donna and Henri, say that they think Kilmer is a good school and that their son is thriving there. He earns A's and B's and, before this incident, hadn't gotten in any trouble. Still, they say they encourage hugging at home and have taught him to shake hands when he meets someone. They agree that teenagers need to have clear limits but don't want their son to get the message that physical contact is bad.

"How do kids learn what's right and what's wrong?" Henri Beaulieu asked. "They are all smart kids, and they can draw lines. If they cross them, they can get in trouble. But I don't think it would happen too often." Beaulieu has written a letter to the county School Board asking it to review the rule.

Hal's troubles began one day in March when he got up from his assigned cafeteria table and went to a nearby table where his then-girlfriend was sitting. He admits he broke one rule -- getting up from his assigned table without permission -- and he accepts a reprimand for that. "The table thing, I'm guilty," he said.

A school security officer spotted the hug and sent Hal to the office, where he was cited for two infractions. He was warned that a third misstep could lead to in-school suspension or detention.

School officials said that the girl didn't complain and that they have no reason to believe the hug was unwelcome.

Hal said that he and his classmates understand when and how it is appropriate to hug or pat someone on the back in school and that most teenagers respect boundaries set by their peers. Today, his seventh-grade year ends as school lets out for the summer. Next fall, he hopes Kilmer officials reconsider the rule.

"I think you should be able to shake hands, high-five and maybe a quick hug," he said. "Making out goes too far."


www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/17/AR2007061701179_pf.html


Given how extreme this is, I think the parents would have a very strong first Amendment argument. Speech can be regulated by the school only for legitimate learning purposes, and then only so far as necessary. Touching is a form of communication, and thus a form of speech, and a blanket ban on everything goes too far. I'd love to see a lawsuit over this just to see what the courts would say.

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Ya know I read this article yesterday and I think I found a few logical problems with it:

1) When classes dismiss and you bump into someone in the hall do you and the other person have to be punished?

2) Sports like football and soccer and everything else is pretty boring if no one can touch anyone.

3) Is a fight starts out does that mean teachers can't touch the students to pull them off each other?

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This makes perfect sense, you ever seen a girl that was told "don't touch or go near him".  Yeah thats what happens orientation week at college...


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Tue, 12 Jun '07

Critics Include Anti-War Groups Who Cite Safety, Pro-Military Message

What would San Francisco's annual Fleet Week be, without a performance by the US Navy Blue Angels aerial demonostration team? A city official wants to find out.

The San Francisco Examiner reports Supervisor Chris Daly, with help from such groups as CodePink, Global Exchange and Veterans For Peace, is pushing for a Board of Supervisors resolution to ground the annual performance, calling it "dangerous and unnecessary."

Perhaps not surprisingly, critics of the performances point to the April crash of a Blue Angels performer at an air show in Beaufort, SC as "proof" the shows are dangerous. Paul Cox, a Vietnam veteran and member of Veterans for Peace, says the slightest miscalculation or mechanical problem could cause a plane to "go barreling into the Golden Gate Bridge or a high-rise and cause a significant amount of damage."

Cox, along with other members of the group, is also opposed to the pro-military theme of the show, and the fact the Blue Angels are a recruiting tool for the Navy. He also says the performances cause "noise pollution."

CodePink, a women-for-peace group, has started an online petition calling for city leaders to end the flyovers, citing concerns with public safety, pollution and fuel usage. The Examiner reports as of last week, about 500 people had signed the petition.

Despite those points and protests, the Blue Angels performances are a popular draw at Fleet Week and the 34 other locations the Blues have scheduled throughout the US this year alone. In 2006, more than 15 million spectators watched the team perform, including well over one million in the Bay Area alone.

Edward Leonard, chairman of the San Francisco Fleet Week Committee, notes in 2004 -- when the Blue Angels did not make an appearance -- attendance to the weeklong Fleet Week event dropped by more than 50 percent.

"We think it's safe," said Leonard, on questions about the safety of the Blue Angels performances. Leonard notes the Blues must receive approval from the FAA prior to each performance, and the more complex maneuvers are conducted over Bay waters.

Plus, he adds, "commercial airlines fly over the city all the time."

Daly's resolution calling for an end to Blue Angels performances over The City By The Bay may be introduced this week. The non-binding document wouldn't carry any legal weight, but it would present the Board's view on the issue -- and "We can then take the next steps we have to legally stop them," Daly told the Examiner.

This year's Fleet Week activities are scheduled for October 4-9.



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I think it's time to pull out of San Francisco.

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Ya because this is an easy thing to pass.  Now if they could only curb illegal immigration, drugs, AIDS, murders, power outages, forrest fires, and succeeding from the rest of us less crazy states...they'd be good.

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Reply #677 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 11:46am
 
Here's Ron Paul's bill to abolish the Federal Reserve.  Let's see how well it does...we all know Bushy is going to veto it if it gets that far:

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Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (Introduced in House)

HR 2755 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2755

To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

June 15, 2007

Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Financial Services

A BILL

To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes.

     Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

     This Act may be cited as the `Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act'.

SEC. 2. FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD ABOLISHED.

     (a) In General- Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and each Federal reserve bank are hereby abolished.

     (b) Repeal of Federal Reserve Act- Effective at the end of the 1-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Federal Reserve Act is hereby repealed.

     (c) Disposition of Affairs-

           (1) MANAGEMENT DURING DISSOLUTION PERIOD- During the 1-year period referred to in subsection (a), the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System--

                 (A) shall, for the sole purpose of winding up the affairs of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks--

                       (i) manage the employees of the Board and each such bank and provide for the payment of compensation and benefits of any such employee which accrue before the position of such employee is abolished; and

                       (ii) manage the assets and liabilities of the Board and each such bank until such assets and liabilities are liquidated or assumed by the Secretary of the Treasury in accordance with this subsection; and

                 (B) may take such other action as may be necessary, subject to the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, to wind up the affairs of the Board and the Federal reserve banks.

           (2) LIQUIDATION OF ASSETS-

                 (A) IN GENERAL- The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall liquidate all assets of the Board and the Federal reserve banks in an orderly manner so as to achieve as expeditious a liquidation as may be practical while maximizing the return to the Treasury.

                 (B) TRANSFER TO TREASURY- After satisfying all claims against the Board and any Federal reserve bank which are accepted by the Director of the Office of Management and Budget and redeeming the stock of such banks, the net proceeds of the liquidation under subparagraph (A) shall be transferred to the Secretary of the Treasury and deposited in the General Fund of the Treasury.

           (3) ASSUMPTION OF LIABILITIES- All outstanding liabilities of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks at the time such entities are abolished, including any liability for retirement and other benefits for former officers and employees of the Board or any such bank in accordance with employee retirement and benefit programs of the Board and any such bank, shall become the liability of the Secretary of the Treasury and shall be paid from amounts deposited in the general fund pursuant to paragraph (2) which are hereby appropriated for such purpose until all such liabilities are satisfied.

     (d) Report- At the end of the 18-month period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall submit a joint report to the Congress containing a detailed description of the actions taken to implement this Act and any actions or issues relating to such implementation that remain uncompleted or unresolved as of the date of the report.


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Reply #678 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 1:31pm
 
The bill was referred to the Financial Services Subcommittee.  If it gets even two votes for referral to Congress as a whole, I'll be incredibly surprised.

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Reply #679 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 1:38pm
 
I agree Bob...just think how much research people would have to do to find out just a little bit of what the feds do in secret.

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Reply #680 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 1:47pm
 
Although I agree with the basic premise of the bill, I think it may be lacking in a few key areas.  Having worked in the banking industry, I'm wondering what Ron Paul will do to assist in the handover of responsibilities.  If the Fed is dissolved, what agency will be responsible for regulating national banks?  That responsibility currently belongs to the OCC (Office of the Comptroller of Currency) which is a branch of the Federal Reserve.  Will this branch remain intact, or will it disappear with the Fed?

Although I don't agree with many OCC policies and I'd like to see certain banking regulations repealed (especially Suspicious Activity Reporting, or SARs), there is an undeniable need for governmental oversight of financial institutions.  I'd really like to see states take over responsibility for all banks within their territory (instead of just state banks), but that would require years of work and couldn't possibly be done in twelve months.  Financial institutions are some of the most ruthless corporations on the face of the planet, and therefore one of the most heavily regulated, and I would never trust my money to an institution that didn't have some sort of regulatory oversight.

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Reply #681 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 2:36pm
 
I think Paul wants to turn all of it over to the Congress...again.  Congress gave up most of their money rights in the 1913 take over of Amerika.  So I believe he would want us to take over the OCC.

I agree that the states should take a big part over the banks and even local governments.  This would limit much of the power the banks have over us.  What's that banks?  You want to raise the monthly rates because some people aren't using their credit cards enough?  BAM states say no to you!  You want to give illegal immigrants credit cards with no proof of ID?  Local government say unt uhhh!

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As the old adage goes...good enough for government work.  Paul is ok with tranitional times in most areas.  For example, he wants to get rid of a lot of welfare.  But he knows they you jut can't take it away from people all at once so he would be willing to gradually do it.  I think this might apply here.  However, I can tell you that if Paul gets his way...we won't have to pay income tax again.

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Reply #682 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 2:48pm
 
I am a strong believer we should eliminate welfare, it's the few rotten millions that spoiled it for the rest...
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Reply #683 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 2:51pm
 
Another problem with dissolving the Fed that comes to mind is the huge backlash that would likely hit US currency when the rest of the world sees our plan.  The drop in confidence that would occur when the US makes such a significant change to their banking system would be huge, if not catastrophic.

I think Ron Paul has a great idea, but he needs to break down the transition process into smaller, more manageable phases.  His legislation should include language to that effect and a solid road map should be included in the bill.  I think Iraq had taught us the importance of figuring out what you're going to do before you get started.

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Reply #684 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 4:13pm
 
I have to agree with you.  By Congress taking back control of the dollar we would only strengthen our dollar.  Instead of the 2 cents it's worth today.  The next step would have to be getting out T-bills back from places like China and Japan.

Plus you have to realize that this is only a one page bill.  I'm sure we'd see a bunch of amendments added to it.  Ya know...like Congress is suppose to do...expect not "$50 million for the study of old people masturbation habits" or "trout fishing tourism".

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Reply #685 - Jun 21st, 2007 at 4:55pm
 
I was watching a news broadcast the other day about "Pork Amendments" that had been added on to last year's transportation bill.  Some of the things we spent money on (and the way they were hidden) was absolutely ridiculous.

We spent $250,000 to renovate a privately-owned ski lift at a ski resort.  We spent $2.5 million to extend a runway at a municipal airport so executive jets could land there, even though only 4-6 aircraft land their per day, and none of them that were seen during a week of watching needed the longer runway.

If I were President, I'd veto every single bill that had any kind of pork attached to it.  I don't care if federally-funded freeways go into disrepair because the Transportation Bill was shot down.  Remove the pork, or override my veto.

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Reply #686 - Jun 24th, 2007 at 9:45pm
 
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Press Esc | June 24, 2007

US university students will not be able to work late at the campus, travel abroad, show interest in their colleagues' work, have friends outside the United States, engage in independent research, or make extra money without the prior consent of the authorities, according to a set of guidelines given to administrators by the FBI.

Federal agents are visiting some of the New England's top universities, including MIT, Boston College, and the University of Massachusetts, to warn university heads about the dangers of foreign spies and terrorists stealing sensitive academic research.

FBI is offering to brief faculty, students and staff on what it calls "espionage indicators" aimed at identifying foreign agents.

Unexplained affluence, failing to report overseas travel, showing unusual interest in information outside the job scope, keeping unusual work hours, unreported contacts with foreign nationals, unreported contact with foreign government, military, or intelligence officials, attempting to gain new accesses without the need to know, and unexplained absences are all considered potential espionage indicators.

Faculty, staff and students are encouraged to monitor their colleagues for signs of suspicious behaviour and report any concerns to the FBI or the military.

"What we're most concerned about are those things that are not classified being developed by MIT [Massachusetts Institute of Technology], Worcester Polytech [Worcester Polytechnic Institute] and other universities," Warren Bamford, special agent in charge of the FBI's Boston office, told the Boston Herald. "It's to make sure these institutions receive training...[on] what spies look for. There are hundreds of projects going on that could be useful to a foreign power."

"My understanding is that what the FBI is proposing is not illegal, but it does raise questions about the chilling effect in regard to academia,"Chris Ott, Communications Manager of the ACLU of Massachusetts told WSWS . "What will it mean about feeling free to pursue information? People on the campuses will be afraid to ask questions or take on the investigation of certain areas, say, for example, nuclear energy. "

University administrators have expressed their appreciation of FBI efforts.

"It was a very nice offer," Robert A. Weygand, vice president for administration and a former Rhode Island congressman told the Boston Herald. "We are taking it under consideration."

Last year the FBI initiated the College and University Security Effort (CAUSE), in order to establish an "alliance" between the Federal agency and academic institutions.

According to the FBI, through CAUSE, Special Agents in charge meet with the heads of local colleges to discuss national security issues and to share information and ideas.


This makes no sense whatsoever.  How would not allowing college students to do any of these things "without the permission of MINE FUHERER!" would prevent terrorism.  If they are concerned about certain people being terrorists...then why not kick them out of the country or...ya know...do something logical?

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Reply #687 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 9:49am
 
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NBC Exec: Think Of The Poor Corn Farmers Hurt By Movie Piracy
from the wait,-are-these-guys-serious? dept

NBC/Universal's general counsel Rick Cotton must just be trying to push his anti-piracy comments to absurd levels to see just how much he can get away with. We'd already written about his completely unsupportable statements on how law enforcement needs to spend less on traditional crime and focus more on piracy and counterfeiting. We also covered the highly problematic suggestion he made to the FCC that it force ISPs to monitor their traffic for any unauthorized material (complete with more bogus stats). However, as more people dig through that FCC filing there are some amazing quotes that really suggest that Cotton and NBC/Universal have no connection to reality with these pleas. Public Knowledge picks up on NBC's showy concern for the American farmer:

"In the absence of movie piracy, video retailers would sell and rent more titles. Movie theatres would sell more tickets and popcorn. Corn growers would earn greater profits and buy more farm equipment."

There are all sorts of problems with this statement. As Public Knowledge points out, first off, movie theaters are doing great this year, suggesting the big "threat" of piracy had a lot less to do with its troubles than the fact that it just didn't have that many compelling movies the past few years. Also, corn farmers are doing quite well (and people still eat popcorn at home while watching pirated movies). Of course, that doesn't really matter. What's key here is that if Cotton and NBC actually believe this logic, then they don't deserve to be in business. By the very same reasoning, I could say "If all movies were pirated, then everyone would have that additional money they didn't spend on movies to spend on things like fancy dinners. Restaurants would be more crowded. Farmers would make more money by being able to sell more profitable food at higher prices." See how easy it is? It's also completely bogus, but it's just as accurate as Cotton's statement on the corn farmers. To suggest that the ripple effects don't ripple in other directions isn't just misleading, it's dangerously wrong. Of course, knowing how the entertainment industry works, next thing you know, they'll be demanding a cut of the profits corn farmers make, since, after all they're "profiting off the backs of the movie industry" without paying the industry for the benefit.


This might be the most ignorant thing I've ever read.  If not, it's pretty freakin' close!

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Reply #688 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 11:31am
 
You can tell that guy has never taken a philosophy class...or taken a standardized test and passed.

Foot is to show and hand is to ____ (douchebag's answer) PIRACY!!!

I think he's wrong...in the absence of sucky movies! people would go see and rent more movies.  Not to mention...what about all the people that rent from Netflix and online movie rentals.  Aren't they, and me, screwing you over by letting the mailman, who spends no less gas to deliver the movies hurt the corn farmers.  So really...the MPAA should go after the federal government, via the Post Officer, dealing with piracy.

HOWEVER...since the federal government subsidized A LOT of farmers including corn farmers the government could sue it self and counter sue itself for conspiracy to not protect its own copyright system.  Thereby emploding the federal government and disbanding the patent/copyright system!

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Reply #689 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 6:47pm
 
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By Ryan Paul | Published: June 25, 2007 - 08:26AM CT

A Florida appeals court has upheld a lower court decision that denies requests for an independent source code audit of voting machines used by Florida's 13th district, which suffered election irregularities in a highly controversial congressional race. The appeals court has chosen to support a lower court decision which asserts that forcing voting machine maker Election Systems and Software (ES&S) to provide source code access to independent security auditors would amount to "gutting the protections afforded those who own trade secrets."

It all started when candidate Christine Jennings lost to Rep. Vern Buchanan by only 368 votes in a House race last year, the slimmest margin of any congressional race in the country. Irregularities in the election, particularly high undervote rates, caused Jennings to express doubts about the validity of the outcome. During the election, approximately 15 percent (or 18,000) of the total ballots cast in the district did not include a vote in the disputed race. By comparison, the absentee ballots in the same district and regular paper ballots used in neighboring districts only exhibit a 2 percent undervote rate for congressional races. The high undervote rates have been attributed to the ES&S iVotronic machines used in the 13th district.

Although efforts to get the state to force ES&S to submit to additional independent code audits have failed, a bipartisan congressional task force working closely with the Government Accountability Office is actively scrutinizing the circumstances surrounding election irregularities in Florida's 13th district, and may decide to subpoena ES&S. The congressional task force plans to issue a progress report late next month, but the entire investigation is expected to last until September.

Could the iVotronic systems be responsible for the voting irregularities? A growing body of evidence indicates that electronic voting machines, particularly those that use touch-screens, lead to higher undervote rates. Touch-screen voting machines made by major vendors also frequently exhibit serious technical flaws and poor reliability. In response to widespread voting machine problems, Florida governor Charlie Crist is encouraging the state legislature to pass a law that would prevent districts from buying most kinds of touch-screen voting machines.

A bill that was approved by the House Committee on Administration last month includes source code disclosure requirements which stipulate that voting machine makers would be required to disclose their code to independent third-party auditors who may be required to sign nondisclosure agreements. As Tim Lee pointed out in his article on the subject last month, independent code audit requirements are important for election transparency, but nondisclosure agreements would prevent broad public analysis of source code and could potentially be used to intimidate security analysts. Considering the high level of vulnerability exhibited by mainstream electronic voting technology, Congress needs to do all that it can to help the states protect themselves from faulty products.


This is complete and utter bullsh*t!  When the most important thing in a representative republic is the voting booth there should be EVERY precaution to make sure it is done perfectly.  I hope these voting machine companies were being sued and it goes up to the SCOTUS.

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Reply #690 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:16am
 
I absolutely agree, Stewie.  I understand the importance of protecting trade secrets and intellectual property, but a line must be drawn somewhere.

Without a doubt, the importance of protecting the integrity of the election process far outweighs the importance of protecting the intellectual property of a ballot device manufacturer.  This problem is extremely simple to fix.  The Fed.Gov can easily pass a law requiring all ballot devices used in federal, state, and municipal elections to be open source (and provide paper ballot receipts).  I fail to see the problem with this.

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Reply #691 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:52am
 
Another thing is what stops the federal government into saying that all documents it comes up with are "trade secrets" as well?  They could claim that they are developing things to improve their business they are in and keep everything form the American people.

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Posted on Tuesday May 01, 2007 by Amanda Stanzilis

BRADENTON -

A Bradenton man is facing assault charges after police say he pointed his finger and yelled at an off-duty sheriff’s deputy

Two things ray miller says you should know about him. One, he hates Muscovy Ducks.

“Our parking garage is littered with their feces. It’s like little bombs through there,” and two, he's a law-abiding citizen.

He has no criminal record at least until now.

Miller says it started when he and his wife saw someone feeding the ducks. They asked the woman to stop, but she ignored them. When she finally replied, miller says she told him "I’m a police officer, I can do what I want.”

The woman was Manatee County Sheriff's Deputy Kym Bennett. Bennett and Miller argued for a few minutes about the ducks, and about whether deputy Bennett was trespassing on the property since she didn't live in the condos there.

Miller says his wife decided to call the Bradenton Police department to ask them for a legal opinion on what they could do about the situation. But when police arrived, miller was in for a surprise.

deputy Bennett told police that miller had been aggressive, and had pointed his finger at her. Bennet pressed assault charges. Miller was arrested and taken to jail.

ABC 7 spoke with an attorney about this case. Mark Lipinski told us "I've never seen a case like this, don't know anybody who's seen a case like this. I've asked all the attorneys in the area, they've never heard of anything like this."

Lipinski says he understands why miller is crying foul. He says, "next time you want to shake your finger at somebody, you better think twice."

Miller thinks the whole thing is absurd. He will be arraigned in May 29th.


I hope this guy takes the PD to the cleaners.  Since when is NOT touching someone consider assault?  If what this guy says she said is true...that's scary.  I think it might be ever scarier that this was over some ducks.

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Reply #693 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 10:36pm
 
Pointing your finger?  For crying out loud, that's absolutely ridiculous!

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Reply #694 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 8:14am
 
If thats true, then looking at someone (angry eyes) could be considered assault.  Quick everyone gouge out your eyes so you don't go to jail!
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What if your scary non-eyes frightened some random child?  Assault!

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Reply #696 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 10:57am
 
Well you could counter sue if that child screams...as we saw in the news story about the parents who could spend a few days in jail because their kid was having too much fun playing in their pool and those stupid neighbors called the cops.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1182914724179260.x...

Ya...because RIAA is such a nice organization that is supported by all the artists and is needed today to use these unconstitutional practices without any legal ramifications.   If RIAA survives this...I'll be surprised.

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Reply #698 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 11:58am
 
Meh, the world will never notice.

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Reply #699 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 12:12am
 
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/06/ron_paul

Ok read this article...then ask yourself...what would happen if they were talking about Rudy or McCaine or Obama, etc.

This article makes it sound like people should not support a candidate they want and if you read further it makes it sound like "getting out there and supporting a candidate" is something we should frown upon.  Becaues, God forbid, that more than half the country should vote!

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Reply #700 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 11:44am
 
YEEEEEEEEEAH!  Amnesty is dead!  Suck it, libtards!

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Senate Blocks Immigration Bill       
Jun 28 11:29 AM US/Eastern
     
                                   
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate drove a stake Thursday through President Bush's plan to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants, likely postponing major action on immigration until after the 2008 elections.

This is a breaking news update. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.



WASHINGTON (AP)—The Senate voted Thursday on an effort by opponents to stop a bill supported by President Bush to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants while also tightening the border against future immigrants.

The critical vote determining the bill's fate began shortly after 11 a.m. EDT.

Bush, seeking to salvage the biggest domestic initiative of his final two years in office, called senators earlier in the morning seeking help.

However, supporters needed 60 votes in the 100-member Senate to keep the bill alive. Aligned against it were conservatives who derided the legislation as a grant of amnesty for illegal behavior and some Democrats who said it would leave a new group of temporary workers vulnerable to exploitation.

Supporters pointed to the bill's tougher border security and workplace enforcement measures, along with an immediate infusion of $4.4 billion to pay for them, as reasons to keep the bill alive for a final vote Friday.

The carefully crafted compromise was left for dead after a similar vote three weeks ago but was revived by Bush and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, who gave opponents more chances to change it.



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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/01/lieberman-domestic-spying

Ya know I'd probably buy Liberman's comments more if it wasn't for the fact that the authorities "stopped" these "attacks" so it sounds like the current system is working ya faux concerned representative!
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I remember someone posting a link to a story or video about the police officer choking a bunch of skateboarders. 
Here's a follow-up to that article.

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HOT SPRINGS, Ark. — A police officer who appeared to choke a skateboarder in a video posted online has been cleared of any wrongdoing by an internal review board.

The Hot Springs Police Department Internal Affairs Board found the use of force was within the police department's policy on non-deadly force and recommended "no changes to this policy." The decision was released Monday.

Officer Joey Williams stopped a group of skateboarders June 21 on a downtown city sidewalk. Skateboarding is banned in the area.

The video shows Williams apparently choking one of the skateboarders after forcing him to the ground, then later chasing and wrestling two others while holding them in a headlock.

"This was a minimal force issue," Police Chief Bobby Southard told The Sentinel-Record. "He didn't resort to anything above hand control techniques and handcuffing."

Southard said Williams, who had been put on administrative leave, will return to bike patrol downtown Thursday. Six skateboarders — two adults and four juveniles — have court dates pending.


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Reply #703 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 12:56pm
 
Now I haven't gone through any academy training and I don't have any experience first hand.  However, the video clearly shows the officer chocking the kid after he's got him down.  Not to mention he arrests the kids with him for filming the incident.  I do have to say that the cop can run, esp after that first kid.  I thought for sure that the first kid was going to run with the handcuffs.  I can understand if a city doesn't want skateboarders downtown...but making it an arrestable offense?  That's just too much.

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I found a video today that contains an insanely powerful collection of images of our soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Sometimes you just have to cut through the politics and remember that we've got real men and women fighting over there.

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Surprisingly, it was assembled by a 16-year old.

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'Don't tell British about the EU treaty'

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# Join the Telegraph campaign for an EU referendum

The new European Union treaty will mean "transfers of sovereignty" from Britain and Gordon Brown is right to hide the fact from the public, an EU leader admitted yesterday.

Jean-Claude Juncker, Luxembourg's premier and leader of the bloc of 13 single currency members, spoke out as the Prime Minister faced rising calls for a referendum on the treaty drawn up following the rejection of the old EU constitution by French and Dutch voters in 2005.
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Mr Juncker said he supported public debate on the treaty - except in Britain.

"I am astonished at those who are afraid of the people: one can always explain that what is in the interest of Europe is in the interests of our countries," he told Belgian newspaper Le Soir.

"Britain is different. Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?"

Mr Juncker, a supporter of a United States of Europe, described the June 23 deal signed by Tony Blair as an "objective success" for friends of the EU constitution.

"There is a single legal personality for the EU, the primacy of European law, a new architecture for foreign and security policy, there is an enormous extension in the fields of the EU's powers, there is Charter of Fundamental Rights," he said, listing elements of the old constitution in the proposed treaty.

His remarks come as a further blow to Mr Brown as pro-referendum campaigners vowed to target Labour MPs in marginal constituencies.

The Open Europe campaign and other pro-referendum groups aim to put maximum pressure on MPs before a likely Commons vote next year on ratifying the treaty.

As with Mr Blair before him, Mr Brown has insisted that Britain's negotiating "red lines" were not broken at last month's summit - and therefore no referendum is needed.

But Mr Brown has hinted at some flexibility by saying he is prepared to listen to the national debate.

In its manifesto for the 2005 general election Labour promised to hold a referendum on the old constitution. The "no" results in France and Holland spared Mr Blair from having to deliver on that promise.

Last night, Open Europe served notice that anti-referendum MPs from all the main parties would face sustained pressure in their own constituencies in the coming months.

Lord Leach of Fairford, the Tory peer who is chairman of Open Europe, told The Daily Telegraph: "Gordon Brown should think twice before going back on his party's manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on a treaty that is the EU constitution in all but name.

"If he is serious about wanting to 'listen and learn' he should let the people have a say. We are building a formidable coalition to ensure that the Government keeps its promise."

An ICM/Open Europe poll recently found that 86 per cent of voters want a referendum on the treaty while 43 per cent of Labour supporters would be "definitely less likely" to vote for Mr Brown if he refuses one.


Nope no one world government going on here!  I'm really scared of what Gordon Brown will do.  He's going to be the new Bush...maybe even the new Chenny!

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Reply #706 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 8:06am
 
Well, just as long as he's not the new Bill Clinton.

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Stewie is going to have a field day with this one...

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For Donald Vance, a 29-year-old veteran and an American citizen, the desire to play a small part in a big event would lead to the scariest experience of his life. While in Iraq, he was neither a victim of a roadside bomb nor taken prisoner by insurgents. Instead, he was held captive by the U.S. government — detained in a secret military prison.

"It's probably the worst thing I've ever lived through," says Vance, who along with another American is now suing his own government, which he says "treated me like a terrorist."

It all started in the summer of 2005 when Vance went to Baghdad. Born in Chicago, Vance had joined the Navy after high school and later worked in security.

He took a job with an Iraqi company, Shield Group Security, or SGS, which provides protection for businesses and organizations. Vance supervised security and logistics operations. Before long, he says he started noticing troubling things at the company — explosives and huge stockpiles of ammunition and weapons, including anti-aircraft guns. He worried they were going to militias involved in sectarian violence.

There was "more ammunition than we could ever, ever need," says Vance. "We employed somewhere between 600 and 800 Iraqis. We had thousands of rifles."

Vance became so alarmed by what he saw that when he returned to Chicago in October 2005 for his father's funeral, he called the FBI office there and volunteered his services. He says he became an informant because, "It's just the right thing to do."

Once back in Baghdad, Vance says he began almost daily secret contact with the FBI in Chicago, often through e-mails and with officials at the U.S. embassy, alleging illegal gun-running and corruption by the Iraqis who owned and ran the company.

"I really couldn't tell you how many days I thought about, 'What if I get caught?'" says Vance.

In April 2006, he thought that day had come. His co-worker, Nathan Ertel, also an American, tendered his resignation. And with that, Vance says, the atmosphere turned hostile.

"We were constantly watched," Vance says, "We were not allowed to go anywhere from outside the compound or with the compound under the supervision of an Iraqi, an armed Iraqi guard."

Vance says an Iraqi SGS manager then took their identification cards, which allowed them access to American facilities, such as the Green Zone. They felt trapped.

"We began making phone calls," Vance recalls. "I called the FBI. The experts over at the embassy let it be known that you're about to be kidnapped. We barricaded ourselves with as many guns as we can get our hands on. We just did an old-fashioned Alamo."

The U.S. military did come to rescue them. Vance says he then led soldiers to the secret cache of rifles, ammunition, explosives, even land mines.

The two men say they — and other employees who were Westerners — were taken to the U.S. embassy and debriefed. But their ordeal was just beginning.

"[We saw] soldiers with shackles in their hands and goggles and zip-ties. And we just knew something was terribly wrong," says Vance.

Vance and Ertel were eventually taken to Camp Cropper, a secret U.S. military prison near the Baghdad airport. It once held Saddam Hussein and now houses some of the most dangerous insurgents in all of Iraq.

Here's what Vance and Ertel say happened in that prison: They were strip-searched and each put in solitary confinement in tiny, cold cells. They were deliberately deprived of sleep with blaring music and bright lights. They were hooded and cuffed whenever moved. And although they were never physically tortured, there was always that threat.

"The guards employ what I would like to call as verbal Kung-Fu," says Vance. "It's 'do as we say or we will use excessive violence on you.'"

Their families back home had no idea what was happening. Until they were detained, Vance had called or e-mailed his fiancée, Diane Schwarz, every day while in Iraq — and now he was not allowed to do either.

"I am thinking, you know, he's dead, he's kidnapped," recalls Schwarz.

After a week of intense interrogations for hours at a time, Vance learned why he was detained. He was given a document stating the military had found large caches of weapons at Vance's company and suspected he "may be involved in the possible distribution of these weapons to insurgent/terrorist groups."

He was a security detainee, just like an insurgent. And he says he was treated that way.

"The guards peeking in my cell see a Caucasian male, instantly they think he's a foreign fighter," says Vance. He recounts guards yelling at him, "You are Taliban. You are al-Qaida."

Vance says the charges against him were false and mirror exactly the allegations he had been making against his own company to the FBI.

"I'm basically saying to them: 'What are you talking about? I've been telling you for seven months now that this stuff is going on. You're detaining me but not the actual people that are doing it!'"

The military cleared Ertel and released him after more than a month in prison. But Vance stayed locked up.

At that point, prohibited from keeping notes, he began secretly scribbling diary entries and storing them in his military-issued Bible, whenever he had access to a pen.

The military now acknowledges that it took three weeks just to contact the FBI and confirm Vance was an informant. But even after that, Vance was held for another two months. In all, he was imprisoned for 97 days before being cleared of any wrongdoing and released.

"I looked like hell, completely emaciated, you know — beard, shaggy, dirty," remembers Vance. "They showered me, shaved me, cleaned me up and dumped me at Baghdad International Airport like it never happened.

Throughout the ordeal, the U.S. military said it thought Vance was helping the insurgents. Wasn't that a reasonable basis to hold and interrogate him?

"They could have investigated the true facts, found out exactly what was happening," says Vance. "What doesn't need to happen is throw people in a cell, we'll figure out the answers later. That's not the way to do things."

Donald Vance and Nathan Ertel have now filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government and Donald Rumsfeld, who was secretary of defense when they were detained. It is generally very difficult to sue the government, but experts say this case may be different because Vance and Ertel are American citizens; they were civilians held by the U.S. military; and they were detained for such a long time.

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3 weeks to confirm an identity over the phone?...They work as fast as penguin.


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You see there's a movie coming out about a guy who was held in a secret prision when he wasn't guilty...I think it looks mighty good as an expose'.  It's called The Prisoner or: How I Planned To Kill Tony Blair

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/theprisoneror/

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BARNSTABLE, Mass. (AP) -- A Cape Cod man who claimed he was homophobic, racist and a habitual liar to avoid jury duty earned an angry rebuke from a judge on Monday, who referred the case to prosecutors for possible charges.

"In 32 years of service in courtrooms, as a prosecutor, as a defense attorney and now as a judge, I have quite frankly never confronted such a brazen situation of an individual attempting to avoid juror service," Barnstable Superior Court Judge Gary Nickerson told Daniel Ellis, according to a preliminary court transcript of the exchange.

Ellis, of Falmouth, had been called to court with about 60 other potential jurors for possible service on a 23-member grand jury.

On a questionnaire that all potential jurors fill out, Ellis wrote that he didn't like homosexuals and blacks. He then echoed those sentiments in an interview with Nickerson.

"You say on your form that you're not a fan of homosexuals," Nickerson said.

"That I'm a racist," Ellis interrupted.

"I'm frequently found to be a liar, too. I can't really help it," Ellis added.

"I'm sorry?" Nickerson said.

"I said I'm frequently found to be a liar," Ellis replied.

"So, are you lying to me now?" Nickerson asked.

"Well, I don't know. I might be," was the response.

Ellis then admitted he really didn't want to serve on a jury.

"I have the distinct impression that you're intentionally trying to avoid jury service," Nickerson said.

"That's true," Ellis answered.

Nickerson ordered Ellis taken into custody. He was released later Monday morning.

Ellis could face perjury and other charges.

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I'm all for the prosecutor pressing charges against this guy.  Perjuring yourself to avoid jury duty is an absolute disgrace.  Do people simply not understand the importance of jury trials in the American criminal justice system?

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Well I think I can say you have never been called in then.  I would probably buy a $100 car and smash it into a tree to be "out of commission" before serving on a jury.  I feel that the only people that should be called in are the ones on wellfare or unemployment leaching off the system.  I had to drive to Kalamazoo 3 times, each time telling the judge I leave for tech (550 miles away) in 3, 2, and 1 days before they would let me go without filing charges.  If I ever get that letter in the mail again I will let them know how racist I am(I even hate white people!).  This just being called at random to drive up to downtown Kalamazoo with 2 days notice is bullshit.


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Well, when you're on trial for whatever crime of the century, I'm sure you'll appreciate having a jury that consists of welfare queens.  I'm sure they'll do a great job of taking your moral character into account.  I, on the other hand, would prefer a jury of my peers.

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Bob, you are absolutely correct.  Not to mention, Spanky, you can get a referral I believe at least 3 times if you get called in.  Plus you cannot be fired from a job, loose an interview, or loose credit in school because the court takes all of that...and if you do the school or company or whoever gets charged with, I think, obstruction.  So you might have missed the first day of class...ooo you couldn't get you sylibi and not drink for a few days.

If you look at the statistics you notice that jury trials are going the way of hangings.  This is one of the most important things in our legal system, other than having a trial itself.  This takes the decision out of the governments hands and puts it into the people's.  You look at the tax "law" violators and they are screwed over by the judges and rarely have jury trials...and when they do they are less likely to go to jail because juries tend to think, "what if I was there".  Juries can be stupid, yes, not all of them are perfect.  Yet, I would take my chances with 12 people rather than 1 judge who works for the same people as the prosecutor.

I wish the government would make a listing of all the people that wouldn't mind serving in a jury and pick from there as well as the general population.  At least then we wouldn't have to interfere with Spanky's special and precious life and I could have some fun on a jury trial.

If he was on the jury he'd probably be like that British juror who wore an mp3 player under her habib.  She just got arrested today, btw.  Go Britian for once!

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very close stewie, I asked about that.  It was 2.5 weeks.  I don't know how other colleges work but that is important at tech....
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Yeah, I think 2½ weeks at any school would be suicide.  Even if your professors didn't hold you responsible for any tests or assignments you missed, you'd still be screwed when exam time rolled around.

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Reasonable exceptions are necessary and I was just making a generalization depending on when you were called.  It was more of a response to your "only welfare people should be on juries" argument.

Just think if you were on a murder trial...you'd have to take a year off school!

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EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS – The EU is not just any old international organisation, nor is it a superstate, but it might just be an "empire," according to European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso.

Veering into uncharted naming territory after being asked on Tuesday (10 July) by a journalist what kind of a structure the 27-nation bloc is, Mr Barroso said "We are a very special construction unique in the history of mankind,"

"Sometimes I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empire. We have the dimension of empire," he said.

He went on the clarify that instead of like super state empires of old, the EU empire is built on voluntary pooling of power and not on military conquest.

"What we have is the first non-imperial empire," said the centre-right Mr Barroso, who was formally Portugal's prime minister.

"We have 27 countries that fully decided to work together and to pool their sovereignty. I believe it is a great construction and we should be proud of it."

The commission chief said he did not see why the EU should constantly be in "existential doubt" about this, adding that he did not see there being a danger of British, German or French identity ever being lost.

Communications commissioner Margot Wallstrom, present at the same press conference, steered clear of empire references.

Instead she paraphrased former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright's comment that one has to be either a "genius or French" to understand the EU.

They made the comments after giving the commission's official go ahead to a new treaty outline for the bloc.

This is to be negotiated over the coming months and is to result in a treaty being finalised before the end of the year.

The treaty mandate was agreed at an ill-tempered EU summit last month and is already being put into question in some capitals.

Poland has been particularly vocal about re-opening a key part of the agreement on EU voting rights.

But Mr Barroso reiterated previous comments that the treaty outline should not be undone.

"There is a principle of good faith. For me it is as important as any legal commitment," he said. "It is inconceivable that an agreement that was agreed unanimously in June is reopened now."

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SEATTLE —  Duncan M. McDonald is finally off the voter rolls after the Australian shepherd-terrier mix was sent absentee ballots for three elections.

King County Elections Director Sherril Huff said she canceled the voter registration Tuesday for the dog owned by Jane K. Balogh, 66, who registered her pet to protest a change in the law that she said made it too easy for non-citizens to cast ballots.

Balogh put her phone bill in the dog's name, then used that as identification when she mailed in the registration form in April 2006. In November, she wrote "VOID" across Duncan's ballot and returned it with an image of a paw print on the signature line.

She admitted the ruse when an election official called, but the dog was still sent absentee ballots for school bond elections in February and May.

"Quite frankly, the process did take too long, and it should have been addressed after the November election," said Bobbie Egan, an elections office spokeswoman.

County election procedures are being reviewed to provide speedier action against voting fraud, Egan said.

The removal came three weeks after Balogh was charged in King County Superior Court with making a false or misleading statement to a public servant, a misdemeanor. She pleaded not guilty to the charge in June.

A sheriff's investigator wrote that she admitted registering the dog under false pretenses "to make a point that anyone could vote, even an animal."

A preliminary court hearing was pending.


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She won't get off.  Look at the "hackers" that get prosecuted when they go to the people who own whatever software/hardware they're getting into.

Australia is behind the US for screwing over elections if they're still using paper!  We've gone digital...and we don't make the company responsible to anyone, like the Congress, to release the sources code...have outside contractors without something to gain test the machines...and have people who get elected who polls shows are low in the votes from getting elected!

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/12/terror.threat.ap/index.html


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Al Qaeda is stepping up its efforts to sneak terror operatives into the United States and has acquired most of the capabilities it needs to strike here, according to a new U.S. intelligence assessment, The Associated Press has learned.


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Well Chertoff said he had a gut feeling it would happen...I thought it was guilt at first...maybe it's only apprehension...like the day before you see a really cool movie.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

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The D.C. government will appeal to the Supreme Court to defend its 30-year-old ban on most handguns.

Mayor Adrian Fenty's office says the city's ban on most handguns can and should be defended.

In March, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals sided with six district residents who sued to be able to keep their guns for self defense. The decision repealed much of the city's handgun ban, but the ban stays in place through the appeals process.

D.C. Attorney General Linda Singer plans to file a 30-day extension Monday so the request can get to the high court by September fifth.


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I've posted about the Parker case several times before, but it looks like it is finally moving to the Supreme Court!  Various federal circuits have different stances on the meaning of the second amendment, so if they grant certiorari to the Parker case, we'll finally have a be-all end-all interpretation about the proper interpretation.  Although I wish the court were a bit more conservative, I think this is a perfect time to get this issued once and for all.

Keep this one on your calendars, folks!

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Ya ok Fenty has no control whatsoever over "his" city.  His anti-gun policy have made DC one of the largest murder cities per capita in the history of America.  This guy needs to snort more coke and get re-elected.
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...and you know what?  He will get re-elected.  He's right up there with Detroit's mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick.  It doesn't matter how bad of a job he does or how many laws he breaks, his constituents will always vote for him just because of his skin color.  How sad is that?

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you DIDN'T vote for the black man?...RACIST!!
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What's a paltry one million dollars to a member of Congress?

Well, apparently not enough to know if an organization about to receive that big block of cash actually exists.

Republican Rep. Jeff Flake of Arizona, the fiscal crusader who's never met an earmark he likes, questioned Democratic Rep. Peter J. Visclosky of Indiana on the House floor Tuesday about whether the Center for Instrumented Critical Infrastructure actually exists - since, hey, it's getting like a million bucks or something.

Visclosky, who chairs the spending subcommittee responsible for the project, had to admit that, well, he didn't have a clue.

After a lengthy back-and-forth, Flake, complaining that his staff couldn't find a website for the center, asked Visclosky, "Does the center currently exist?"

"At this time, I do not know," the Indiana Democrat replied. "But if it does not exist, the monies could not go to it."

And who could possibly be the sponsor of such an earmark? Yes, you guessed it, the man Republicans love to hate, Pennsylvania Democrat John P. Murtha.

Despite the money's uncertain destination, the House rejected Flake's measure to strike the funds, 326-98. And the Visclosky bill also sailed through, 312-112.

As I said, what's one million dollars to a member of Congress?

www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Whats_in_your_wallet.html


This one just makes my blood boil.  The representative that sponsored the earmark couldn't even prove the recipient existed, but Congress shot down a bill to eliminate the earmark?  Patently absurd!

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What we should do is have a sergeant at arms for each member of Congress and if they do something stupid the people from the state who are watching CSPAN can vote from their telephones to knock these people upside their heads!
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Oooh, that's a really good idea!

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Ok so you want to speak out against the war...the President gets your stuff!

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Protester removed from Fred Thompson event

A protester questioned Thompson’s conservatism Wednesday.

HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) – A woman screaming “you’re not a real conservative, sir” was removed by police from a welcoming reception for likely GOP presidential candidate Fred Thompson Wednesday morning. A second protester was also taken from the room.

Houston police officers escorted the woman — as well as a man — from the hangar at Hobby Airport, where Thompson was shaking hands with a crowd of supporters. They were not arrested.

The woman questioned Thompson as he talked to reporters. She asked him why he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and noted that the organization supported the North American Union with Canada and Mexico.

After the woman interrupted Thompson by questioning his conservative credentials, the likely candidate said, “Don’t fuss at me. You asked me a question. Let me answer it.” He told the woman, “I try to learn as much as I can from all viewpoints.”

Later, she shouted at Thompson as the news conference ended. Police officers took her outside a fenced area near the hangar, and stood with her until the former Tennessee senator departed.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/25/protester-removed-from-fred-thom...


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There seems to be more and more coming out about Thompson.  His lobbyist background, his help with the Nixon cover-up, his helping with pro-abortion groups and policies.  It's turning into a sad thing for the GOP if more mainstream people are  focusing on people who haven't even declared to run.  Although I still don't see the point in not putting Ron Paul in the national polls for people to vote for on who won the last debates and put people who a) aren't declared yet and b) who weren't even in the debates!!!  And they get voted for!!!

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Thu Jul 26, 4:00 AM ET

Many power utilities are gearing up to install "smart" meters in kitchens or living rooms to show customers the cost of their electricity use – per minute and perhaps per appliance. During times of peak usage, utilities may even remotely adjust your home thermostat.

Having an instant electric bill on the wall, with dollar signs rolling like a gasoline pump, is designed to create sticker shock – and then, perhaps, a conservation ethic to help curb climate change. People might cut back their use of power-hungry devices, from clothes dryers to the TV "sleep mode." They might, for instance, turn on dishwashers only after 10 p.m.

Some utilities hope to install "intelligent sockets" that communicate between appliances and the electricity provider. On hot summer days, when electric rates would be raised through "dynamic pricing," those customers who voluntarily give up control of their usage – and it would have be voluntary – would be given rebates.

But can such watt-saving steps help save the planet? Yes, if they keep utilities from building more carbon-spewing power plants – especially the expensive kind that rev up only during peak hours. By many estimates, fossil-fuel power plants are likely to be the preferred source of electricity for years to come.

As it is, utilities can't keep up with rising demand. One projection shows a 19 percent rise in peak-time electricity usage over the next decade while only a 6 percent growth in power capacity.

Something's got to give. And it may be consumer lifestyles.

A three-year experiment in California with 2,500 customers showed they reduced their average electricity demand by 13 percent during peak summer hours when they had to pay five times the normal cost. Users with the kind of "smart" thermostats that adjust appliance use cut back by 27 percent.

Even if smart meters cut usage by only 5 percent nationwide with "time-of-day" pricing, that would save about 625 combustion turbines from being built and reduce overall industry costs by about $3 billion a year, according to a study by The Brattle Group, a consulting firm.

But such savings won't come cheap.

The cost of installing what's called advanced metering infrastructure (AMI) – with new meters alone priced up to $200 – may take years for utilities to recover. Many in the industry are balking at the up-front price tag, the technical challenges, and the uncertainty of consumer reaction to volatile prices and in-your-face meters.

Sensing resistance, Congress nudged utilities to adapt AMI in its 2005 energy law. Several states, especially California, are pushing it hard. At present, though, AMI is used in only about 6 percent of meters. State regulators need to be more aggressive in forcing utilities to give up the old practice of selling as much electricity as possible with flat-rate pricing and meters that consumers don't understand (and can't easily see). One idea is to "de-couple" a utility's profit from its electricity sales by guaranteeing a set rate of return.

Electricity providers need to become facilitators for their customers in achieving energy efficiency and reducing their carbon footprint.

Being "smart" isn't only for meters that alter electricity usage.

It's for the planet, too.


It's a good thing we never got around to splitting the atom.  Roll Eyes

What a bunch of filthy frickin' hippies.

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Seriously we've got some great 4th generation reactors we could be building that are much, much safer than what the hippies protested against in the 60's.
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Some of the proposed reactor designs that were shown in Popular Mechanics a couple months back were absolutely amazing.  The "ball o' nuclear fuel" design was particularly interesting.

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He awaits the state attorney's decision on whether he'll be tried again on drug charges.

By COLLEEN JENKINS
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TAMPA - Mark O'Hara left jail without handcuffs Wednesday, two years after he went to prison and one week since an appeals court ordered him a new trial.

He was serving a 25-year sentence for having 58 Vicodin pills in his bread truck. Jurors weren't told that it is legal to possess the drug with a prescription, which he had.

The Hillsborough State Attorney's Office has not decided whether it will seek a retrial in the Dunedin man's drug trafficking case.

O'Hara, 45, said he made the 168-mile trip back from a Dixie County prison without knowing exactly why. His attorneys had alerted him of their successful appeal but cautioned that it wouldn't become final for 30 days.

Still, he figured something positive was afoot.

"They been treating me like a human," he said of authorities.

Events leading up to his release also seem to point in his favor.

Col. David Parrish, who runs the county's jails, said State Attorney Mark Ober called him late Monday afternoon with an urgent request. He wanted O'Hara brought back to Hillsborough from the Cross City Correctional Institution as soon as possible.

Prison transfers usually take a week. O'Hara's took a day.

On Wednesday morning, he appeared before Circuit Judge Ronald Ficarrotta, the same jurist who heard his trial and sentenced him to the mandatory 25 years in prison on the trafficking charge.

The hearing was scheduled so quickly that O'Hara's attorneys didn't even know about it.

Prosecutor Darrell Dirks acknowledged that the state erred in leaving out a jury instruction regarding prescriptions. He suggested O'Hara be returned to the status he had before his August 2005 trial.

O'Hara piped up, saying he had been released from jail on his own recognizance after his arrest.

Court records confirmed it. Dirks didn't object, and the judge ordered O'Hara's release.

He got to ride back to jail in a van without other inmates, he said.

That isn't typical treatment for an inmate, but neither was the 2nd District Court of Appeal ruling about his case.

Claims called 'absurd'

The opinion faulted prosecutors' claims that Florida statutes do not allow a "prescription defense" in drug trafficking cases.

Using words like "absurd" and "ridiculous," three appellate judges said the state's position would make patients with valid prescriptions criminals as soon as they left the drugstore.

Tampa airport police arrested O'Hara in August 2004 after they found the hydrocodone and a small amount of marijuana in his illegally parked and unattended bread truck.

He refused plea agreements from prosecutors before trial, one for three years in prison. Instead, jurors heard from two doctors who said they had been treating O'Hara since the early 1990s for pain related to gout and auto accident injuries.

Prosecutors did not contend that O'Hara, who went to prison in the 1980s for cocaine trafficking, sold any of the 80 Vicodin pills he had been prescribed in the eight months before his arrest. Under the law, simply possessing the quantity of pills he had constitutes trafficking.

On Wednesday, members of the State Attorney's Office continued to review the case.

"The immediate concern was to get him back and get him out of jail while they look at the case law," said Assistant State Attorney Pam Bondi.

No clothes, no money

At 1:25 p.m., O'Hara walked out the front door at the Orient Road Jail, dazed and squinting in the sunlight.

He wore a sky blue paper shirt and pants outfit, provided by the jail to inmates who don't have street clothes. He called it a "clown suit." He said he threw away his personal belongings on his way out of prison.

Salt and pepper stubble blanketed his chin. He left his razor at prison, too. A guard told him he would be back for it.

"No, I won't," O'Hara recalled saying.

He had only a rolled-up stack of legal papers. No money, no ride home.

As he tried to figure out what to do next, Parrish walked up from the parking lot. The jail administrator recognized O'Hara instantly.

"I didn't know about this," Parrish said, pointing to the awkward paper outfit. "I'm sorry. You've had enough problems."

Getting home to Pinellas County was the next one. Parrish handed him a $20 bill, then disappeared inside to call a cab.

"You can't beat that," O'Hara said, smiling.

His head felt cloudy, he said. He wasn't sure what to think of his new freedom or whether it would last.

He sold two condos, his car and his bread business to pay for the appeal. But the state took the proceeds, according to family friend Eric Mastro, to pay toward the $500,000 fine that came with his conviction.

Parrish walked back out of the jail. The cab would arrive in five minutes, he said.

When O'Hara told him how far he had to go, Parrish handed him another $40 from his wallet.


What is happening to this country?  If they wanted to bust him for the marijuana, be my guest, but busting him for legal prescription drugs?  That's just retarded.

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I would hate to live in the EU...ha ha I mean the UK....

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Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter.

The demand for a huge expansion of powers to take DNA comes as a government watchdog announced the first public inquiry into the national DNA database.

There is growing concern among MPs and civil liberties groups about the number of children under 10 and young black men on the database — the biggest in the world. But a number of police forces in England and Wales are backing proposals that would add millions more samples to it.

The Association of Chief Police Officers gave a warning, however, that allowing police to take samples for non-recordable offences — crimes for which offenders cannot be imprisoned — might be perceived as indicative of “the increasing criminalisation of the generally law-abiding public”.

Support for an extension of police powers to take samples was disclosed yesterday in responses to a Home Office consultation paper that was published this year. “A number of respondents welcomed the ability to reduce the threshold, including to the extent of allowing for the taking of fingerprints, DNA and footwear impressions for non-recordable offen-ces for the purpose of offender identi-fication and searching databases,” said a Home Office paper summarising responses to the consultation.

It added: “The second issue relates to the taking of fingerprints, photographs and samples on the street. This was welcomed at an operational level as a means of increasing officer confidence in knowing who they are dealing with and enabling them to deal more effectively with the incident at the scene.”

Kath Mashiter, of Lancashire police, and Brian Pincher, of Norfolk police, called for officers to be allowed to take DNA and fingerprints from suspects outside the custody environment.

Inspector Thomas Huntley, of the Ministry of Defence police, supported “the taking of fingerprints, DNA and footwear impressions for non-recordable offences for the purpose of the offender identification and searching the database”.

Mr Huntley added: “While the increase of suspects on the database will lead to an increased cost, this should be considered as preferential to allowing a serious offender to walk from custody following arrest for a non-recordable offence.”

There are almost four million samples on the database, including more than 100 of children aged under 10, even though they have not attained the age of criminal responsibility. A further 883,888 records of children aged between 10 and 17, and 46 records of people aged over 90, are held on the database, which cost more than £300 million.

Baroness Scotland of Asthal, QC, the Attorney-General, admitted when she was a Home Office minister that three quarters of the young black male population would soon be on the DNA database.

The Human Genetics Commission, the Government’s independent DNA watchdog, yesterday announced the first public inquiry into the database. Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws, QC, chairwoman of the commission, said: “The police in England and Wales have powers, unrivalled internation- ally, to take a DNA sample from any arrested individual, without their consent. We want to hear the public’s views on whether storing the DNA profiles of victims and suspects who are later not charged or acquitted is justified by the need to fight crime.”

Lady Kennedy added: “The database has a preponderance of young men, with a third of black males currently on it. And anyone on it is there for life. On the other hand, a steadily increasing number of serious crimes, including murders and rapes, are being solved and criminals brought to book with its help. These are issues that need to be considered and we need to know what the public think.”

David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, said last night: “It is inconceivable that the powers of the police could be extended without a serious and substantive debate in Parliament. They have already encroached on people’s privacy without proper debate on this matter and this can go no further.”

A Home Office spokesman said: “The DNA database has revolutionised the way the police can protect the public through identifying offenders and securing more convictions.

“The consultation is about maximising police efficiency and ensuring that appropriate and effective safeguards are in place. No decisions have yet been made and any detailed proposals will be subject to a further public consultation next year.”


Oh yes, Nannystate, please!  PLEASE!  Do anything you want!  What's that?  Lick your boots?  Yes, sirs!  *Slurp*

Because we all know that speeders are criminals we need in a DNA database...it shows you what happens when Tony Blair takes away your Magna Carta (the inspiration for our Bill of Rights) and there's something in there about being secure in your persons and property...ahh well they have the EU constitution which they voted down themselves and with both parties have decided to vote on anyways in Parliament.

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Perhaps instead of taking footprints at birth, all infants should instead have a mouth swab taken for DNA purposes.

I just read one of my favorite children's books, The Giver, last weekend.  It's a fantastic wake-up call, even after reading it for the hundredth time and way past the recommended reading age.  Perhaps it should be required reading in England?

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He was basking in the afterglow of a "trip of a lifetime" when he returned to Atlanta Monday.

Seventeen-year-old Stephen Kelsey, a rising senior at Woodward Academy, had just spent two weeks playing soccer in Madrid and London. He was exhausted. He was exhilarated.

What he didn't realize was that he was a wanted man.

Kelsey, a standout soccer player and solid student, had never been in trouble with the law. But U.S. Customs officials, checking his passport upon his arrival at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, found an outstanding arrest warrant.

They turned Stephen over to Atlanta police, who ferried him to the Fulton County Jail.

Kelsey was wanted for failing to appear in court on a traffic ticket — rolling through a stop sign.

One missing detail: The $175 fine had been paid.

"Somebody made a mistake," Kelsey said, "and here I am having to be handcuffed in front of my coaches, my mom, my brother and my teammates."

Marlene Kelsey, who was at the airport to pick up her son, frantically began working for his release.

She got proof that the initial court date had been rescheduled and the ticket paid, and went to the Fulton County Jail, then to Sandy Springs.

"The arresting [Atlanta] officer was adamant that I call Sandy Springs," Marlene Kelsey said. "I went to the precinct, and nobody was there. When I called the 'after hours' number, the phone rang, then cut off."

Sandy Springs Lt. Steve Rose said the department didn't have enough staff to man the desk, and admits that the department was at fault.

"That warrant never should have been in the computer," Rose said. "We should have done something and we didn't."

Rose said his department contacted Fulton County just before Stephen was booked in around 8 p.m., via a Georgia Crime Information Center teletype, to inform the jail that the youth should be released.

At 10:44 p.m., Sandy Springs police received a message from the jail saying he was ready to be picked up. Sandy Springs sent another message to the Fulton Jail at 10:47 p.m.

Meanwhile, Stephen Kelsey struggled to adjust to his new surroundings, sharing a cell with 30 men. He said he was uneasy about sharing close quarters with inmates who appeared to be drug users.

"Most of the guys were cracked out," Stephen said. "I sat next to a guy who talked for 45 minutes to an imaginary friend."

Stephen, resting fitfully on the floor, would occasionally nod off for a few minutes before waking again.

Eventually, Fulton County received word that Stephen Kelsey was not wanted by Sandy Springs. After eight hours in jail, around 4 a.m. Tuesday, he was free to go home.

"For something so minor, who would have believed all this?" Marlene Kelsey said.


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Reply #741 - Aug 2nd, 2007 at 12:51pm
 
We rely waaaay too much on computers for law enforcement items.  Computers are a nice tool to help more easily look up information for individual officers.  Yet if you're going to do something like arrest a kid who's claiming to have already paid his ticket, or whatever, then you would maybe want to double check and confirm.

What would have happen if that kid got assaulted or molested while waiting in the jail?...or worse?

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I think it is nice they arrested him and put him in jail after his mother found the proof that the ticket had been paid and the court date changed.  If it were me I would sue for 100 million then settle for $100,000.  The department has to learn a lesson.
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Its funny, I develop and maintain the applications that are used here at WMUPD and that sounds like a secretary error.  When he paid it, she didn't set his ticket to paid.  Its probably the difference between a 1 and a 0 in a database field. hah.
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If the movie "Hackers" taught me anything...it's that a kid can easily hack into my criminal record and have me arrest just by typing the following keys:


sjdlfjsoijovnwjnoivjoijsflwejofjojvoijewoijijwfojewjijw
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wrong stewie, for you it would be...

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you will surely be arrested for that one.

...or should be at least, just ask me or bob about dan at work

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What about dan at work spanky or bob?

While I'm waiting for that here's something fun!

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By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - The FBI violated the Constitution when agents raided U.S. Rep. William Jefferson's office last year and viewed legislative documents in a corruption investigation, a federal appeals court ruled Friday.
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The court ordered the Justice Department to return any legislative documents it seized from the Louisiana Democrat's office on Capitol Hill. The court did not order the return of all the documents seized in the raid and did not say whether prosecutors could use any of the records against Jefferson in their bribery case.

Jefferson argued that the first-of-its-kind raid trampled congressional independence. The Constitution prohibits the executive branch from using its law enforcement powers to interfere with the lawmaking process. The Justice Department said that declaring the search unconstitutional would essentially prohibit the FBI from ever looking at a lawmaker's documents.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit rejected that claim. The court held that, while the search itself was constitutional, FBI agents crossed the line when they viewed every record in the office without giving Jefferson the chance to argue that some documents involved legislative business.

"The review of the Congressman's paper files when the search was executed exposed legislative material to the Executive" and violated the Constitution, the court wrote. "The Congressman is entitled to the return of documents that the court determines to be privileged."

The raid was part of a 16-month international bribery investigation of Jefferson, who allegedly accepted $100,000 from a telecommunications businessman, $90,000 of which was later recovered in a freezer in the congressman's Washington home.

Jefferson pleaded not guilty in June to charges of soliciting more than $500,000 in bribes while using his office to broker business deals in Africa. The Justice Department said it built that case without using the disputed documents from the raid.

The court did not rule whether, because portions of the search were illegal, prosecutors should be barred from using any of the records in their case against Jefferson. That will be decided by the federal judge in Virginia who is presiding over the criminal case.

"Today's opinion underscores the fact that the Department of Justice is required to follow the law, and that it is bound to abide by the Constitution," defense attorney Robert Trout, said, promising more legal challenges to "overreaching by the government in this case."

The Justice Department did not immediately return messages seeking comment on the decision. Officials have said they took extraordinary steps, including using an FBI "filter team" not involved in the case to review the congressional documents. Government attorneys said the Constitution was not intended to shield lawmakers from prosecution for political corruption.

The court was not convinced. It said the Constitution insists that lawmakers must be free from any intrusion into their congressional duties. Such intrusion, even by a filter team, "may therefore chill the exchange of views with respect to legislative activity," the court held.

The case has cut across political party lines. Former House Speakers Newt Gingrich, a Republican, and Thomas Foley, a Democrat, filed legal documents opposing the raid, along with former House Minority Leader Bob Michel, a Republican.

Conservative groups Judicial Watch and the Washington Legal Foundation were joined by the liberal Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington in supporting the legality of the raid.

Following his indictment, Jefferson's supporters accused the Bush administration of targeting black Democrats to shift attention from the legal troubles of Republican congressmen.

"We are confident that as this case moves forward, and when all of the facts are known, we will prevail again and clear Congressman Jefferson's name," Trout said Friday.

Despite the looming investigation, Jefferson was re-elected to a ninth term in 2006. His win complicated things for Democratic leaders who promised to run the most ethical Congress in history.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., stripped Jefferson of his seat on the powerful Ways and Means Committee and placed him instead on the Small Business Committee. He resigned that committee assignment after being indicted.

The case was considered by Chief Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg, Judge Karen Lecraft Henderson and Judge Judith W. Rogers.

Ginsburg and Rogers served in the Justice Department and Henderson served as deputy South Carolina attorney general. None of the judges served in the legislative branch, though Rogers was counsel to a congressional commission formed to review Washington's municipal structure. Ginsburg and Henderson were appointed by Republican presidents, Rogers by a Democrat.


If we have the Patriot Act why aren't we using it?  This guy's black we can say he's got a few ties with Muslims somewhere down the road.

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he has the creepy child molester mustache.

I am scared to be around him, you know me being so young and all.
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Sunday, August 5, 2007; A16



Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, was subjected to the CIA's harshest interrogation methods while he was held in secret prisons around the world for more than three years, part of an interrogation regimen that the International Committee of the Red Cross has called "tantamount to torture," according to a New Yorker article to be published on the magazine's Web site today.

In a 12-page article released yesterday, reporter Jane Mayer analyzes the development of the CIA's secret interrogation techniques and writes that a confidential ICRC report to the U.S. government details Mohammed's assertions that he was tortured by the CIA. Unnamed Washington sources told Mayer that Mohammed said he was held naked in his cell, questioned by female interrogators to humiliate him, attached to a dog leash and made to run into walls, and put in painful positions while chained to the floor. Mohammed also said he was "waterboarded" -- a simulated drowning -- in addition to being held in suffocating heat and painfully cold conditions. Mohammed's captors also told him shortly after his arrest in March 2003: "We're not going to kill you. But we're going to take you to the very brink of your death and back," the article said.

The CIA techniques have come under harsh criticism from human rights groups who argue that they are abusive and torturous, especially when used in combination over long periods of time. President Bush last month signed an executive order that requires the CIA to treat detainees humanely, but a classified list of techniques that are approved for the agency's use has been kept from public view.

The U.S. military services' Judges Advocate General have said in written responses to Congress that techniques such as waterboarding, forced removal of clothing and stress positions would be illegal and against international standards. The JAGs were not consulted before the CIA's development of its new rules.

Asked about the interrogation methods described in the article, CIA spokesman George Little responded, "The program is about more than specific methods of questioning. It's about the use of the CIA's collected knowledge of al-Qaeda and its affiliates to elicit additional information from detainees, and to do so in accord with U.S. law."

Simon Schorno, an ICRC spokesman in Washington, declined to comment yesterday, citing the organization's confidentiality agreements.

Mohammed and 13 other detainees were transferred to the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, from the CIA's secret detention program and its "black sites" last year. That transfer was the first time that the Bush administration acknowledged it had custody of the detainees and allowed ICRC representatives to be the first outsiders to interview them in years.

The ICRC report, which was given to CIA Director Gen. Michael V. Hayden and has had limited distribution within the administration's highest ranks, details interviews with the 14 detainees and assesses the CIA program. Sources familiar with the document have told The Washington Post that the report shows amazing similarities in terms of how the detainees were treated even though they were kept isolated from one another.

Sources also have told The Post that the detainees almost universally told the ICRC that they made up stories to get the harsh interrogations to stop, possibly leading U.S. officials astray with bad intelligence. Mohammed confessed to taking part in 31 of the world's most dramatic terrorist attacks when he appeared at a Combatant Status Review Tribunal hearing at Guantanamo, and he presented officers at the hearing with a document detailing his alleged torture at the hands of the CIA. That document has been classified.

"The United States of America should not be in the business of 'disappearing' people," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) , a member of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, referring to the use of secret prisons. "The notion is against what we stand for as Americans."

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Oh no, the planner of 9/11 isn't being treated right?  Oh, the heartache!

At least we didn't cut his head off.  Heck, I'm still waiting on the report that harshly criticizes the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Fatah, Hamas, the Madi Army, Iran, Syria, Yemen, etc. for their methods in dealing with captives, hostages, and prisoners.

That poor man.  Since this is the internet, you can't see me crying for him, but the tears are rolling down my cheeks as I type.  Really.

Until I hear about him being dipped in bacon grease and being fed to ravenous dogs, or drawn and quartered, or flayed alive, or some other degrading, medieval crap, I don't think I'm going to get too excited about it.

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That would be both cruel and unusual *shivers*
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A homeowner was arrested after a burglar plunged from the balcony of his top-floor flat.

The intruder suffered head injuries and is fighting for his life after falling around 30ft on to a concrete path.

Later police arrested the owner and are investigating whether the intruder was pushed.

The incident happened early on Monday when Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find the 43-year-old man rifling through his flat.

They argued and the confrontation moved towards the rear window of the flat.

It is believed the intruder then smashed the window and clambered out on to a narrow ledge and fell to the ground.

Mr Walsh phoned police and at around 6.30am officers found the man on the ground outside the smart Victorian apartment block in Chorlton-cum-Hardy,

He was taken to hospital with serious head injuries.

Officers arrested Mr Walsh on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm with intent and are trying to establish whether the intruder was forced out of the window.

The arrest is expected to fuel arguments about the rights of householders to defend themselves against burglars.

The issue has been high on the law and order agenda since farmer Tony Martin was jailed for shooting dead a burglar in 1999.

Following the Martin affair the Crown Prosecution Service and the Association of Chief Police Officers said any householder can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime.

Yesterday Mr Walsh, who was given bail pending further inquiries, refused to speak about the incident.

But his solicitor Victor Wozny said: "My client is not at liberty to say anything because he is under police bail.

"However we appreciate that the public view might be that this is a man arrested in his own home defending his own property."

A neighbour said: "Police arrived in what seemed to be minutes and were there for the whole day.

"It's shocking to find out what has happened but people shouldn't break into other people's houses."

Another resident said: "I presume we will have to respect the burglar's rights while his victim has the nightmare of court hanging over his head. It all seems so unfair."

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said they had been called following reports that an intruder had fallen from a top-floor flat.

A 56-year-old man had woken up to find a man in his flat.

"Following an exchange of words, the alleged burglar was found unconscious on the pavement outside the flat.

"It is believed that he had fallen from the fourth-floor window."

He said the man is 43 and lives locally and inquiries are continuing to establish the circumstances surrounding the incident.

Mr Walsh was later released on bail until November. If charged and convicted he could face a life sentence.


Thank God we've got Castle Doctrine and firearms in Michigan.  Words fail to convey the overwhelming sense of disgust and loathing this article evokes in me.

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England is can't even be considered a democracy anymore.  It's disgusting.

They just arrested the guy AND THEN investigated whether or not the burglar was pushed?!  Wow...if it was America...I'd love to be this guy.

Yes make my check out for 24...no...35 million!

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http://www.pandachute.com/videos/dick_cop_picks_on_skaters

Ahh the police state we live in...gosh I hope I never become a jerk like these cops.

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White House aide Rove to resign

Senior White House aide Karl Rove has announced he will step down at the end of August.

Mr Rove (56), a political adviser to President George W. Bush and White House deputy chief of staff, revealed during an interview with the Wall Street Journal today that he will leave Washington at the end of this month.

He has held a senior post in the White House since President George W. Bush took office in January 2001.

"I just think it's time," Rove said. "There's always something that can keep you here, and as much as I'd like to be here, I've got to do this for the sake of my family."


Karl Rove's crowning achievement will be his boss's ability to gain approval ratings worse than Jimmy Carter's.

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No...his crowning achievement is being so evil it made the devil say "God help us".
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Nanny state?  Is it?

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A well-built man was forced to take a drugs test in Stockholm recently after a police officer assumed that muscles like his could only have been developed with the help of illegal substances.

The female assistant police officer got into a conversation with Tomislav Boduljak and his friend late at night in central Stockholm.
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According to Boduljak, 27, the police officer was pleasant at first, but changed her attitude when he said he worked out. Saying his muscles were 'abnormal', she said he must have used drugs.

"I asked if she didn't think it possible that I work out a lot and eat well. She said that if someone looks like me, she assumes they have taken drugs," he told Metro.

Despite Boduljak's assurances that he didn't use steroids, she forced him to go to the police station and give a urine test. In her report, the officer said he had "unusually large muscles, particularly large arm muscles, which are a sign of steroid use."

The test was negative, and Boduljak made an official complaint against the police officer. Prosecutors looked into the case, but decided not to pursue it.

Janne Magnusson, an officer at Stockholm Police's drugs unit, told Metro that he thought that the officer had been "a bit too ambitious".


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I am not going to lie...I take drugs to make my stomach look bigger.  It is called fast food and I can't stop!  /crysloppytears
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Tesco bans clown from using balloons

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A children's entertainer has been banned by Tesco from using balloons during his act in one of their stores.

Barney Baloney, the clown, usually twists them into animal shapes and hands them to children. But Tesco has told the 47-year-old, also known as Tony Turner, to keep the balloons in his pocket and entertain children with what is left of his act.

Mr Turner, who was booked for a five-hour show at Tesco's Crossgates Centre store in Leeds, had to rely on magic, puppets, juggling and an emu costume to keep the children amused.

He has already been forced to stop using a bubble-making machine after being refused public liability insurance because insurers said the bubbles might cause the children to slip and hurt themselves. "At this rate I will have no act left," Mr Turner, from Sheffield, said. A Tesco spokesman said: "This is a health and safety issue.

"We have banned balloons because latex is used in the manufacture of them and this can trigger an allergic reaction in some children. We always have the welfare of children at heart."


I'm glad we didn't have to deal with all this crap when I was a kid.

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SELMER, Tenn. — A woman convicted last year of killing her preacher husband was free Tuesday after serving two months at a mental facility, according to her lawyer.

Mary Winkler served 67 days in a mental health facility, the name of which has never been publicly disclosed, after her conviction. She will now be on probation, her attorney, Steve Farese, Sr. said. Winkler will live in McMinnville, Tenn., where she lived and worked at a dry cleaners before her trial, Farese said.

Winkler was convicted this year of voluntary manslaughter in the 2006 shooting death of her husband, who was shot in the back as he slept. Prosecutors charged her with murder, but she was convicted of a lesser charge after saying she was abused by her husband Matthew, who was a Church of Christ minister in Selmer.

Winkler faces a legal battle with her husband's parents over the custody of her three children.


Heck, if I knew I was only going to get 67 days in the pokey, I'd off a couple of people myself.

This case provides a sad commentary on the state of our justice system.

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My mom works at the K-zoo mental hospital and all the time she's telling me that people get released and they come back or they need medicine or whatnot or they're in pretty much for life.

With medical doctors at least they are claiming to cure diseases.  You have a bad heart clot?  They stick a balloon in it and you're good to go.  Half your brain is dead?  They can cut it out and you can still live a somewhat normal life.

My point here is, that I've never seen psychiatrists cure anyone with a mental defect.  I've heard about them suppressing certain diseases with drugs...and dangerous drugs.  Then they let these people go and when they take their meds it helps but then they stop when they think they're cured and they do something that gets them thrown right back into the mental hospital.  How come pyschs haven't created 1...just 1...cure for any of these mental disorders?

That's why I'm always weary when people get convicted of NGRI, and believe me some people are crazy that commit crimes and they do need help.  However, if you've killed someone and it takes you 2 months to be "cured" then I think that's a little shady.  Most normal people spend thousands of dollars to have some shrink ask them "how do you feel about that?" and "what was your mother like?" for decades to become "normal".

I'd like the judge of the case to have her tested to see if she should be freed.

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Here are three very sad, very disheartening stories.

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Well, poopy.

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Wow, I'm just full of news articles today.


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Doctors can no longer eat at their desks

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Monday August 13, 2007
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DOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Health chiefs believe the sight of food will upset Muslim workers when they are celebrating the religious festival Ramadan.

The lunch trolley is also to be wheeled out of bounds as the 30-day fast begins next month.

But staff and politicians branded the move political correctness gone mad and warned that it was a step too far.

Bill Aitken, the Scottish Conservative justice spokesman, said: “This advice, well-meaning as it may be, is total nonsense. It is the sort of thing that can stir up resentment rather than result in good relations.”

The new guidance comes in the wake of the failed terror attacks on Glasgow and the death of suspect Kafeel Ahmed, 27.

Health chiefs in Lothian and Glasgow will give all employees time off to pray and to celebrate Eid, which marks the end of Ramadan.

But Greater Glasgow and Clyde as well as Lothian NHS boards also issued the advice, warning workers not to take working lunches, and said all vending machines should be removed from areas where Muslims work.

One senior consultant said: “What next? Are we going to have advice on how to deal with Catholics during Lent? This kind of thing does more harm than good.”

The guidance, which was sent round many organizations, was produced by Glasgow consultancy Meem, which advises on Muslim issues and counts the Scottish Parliament among its clients.

Na’eem Raza, a senior consultant with the firm, said he was thrilled that the health boards had formally adopted the guidance.

He added: “The idea is to get faith in the workplace out in the open.

“In the current climate, people need to understand where communities are coming from and what people are feeling.

“After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community.

“People have stopped talking over the garden fence and we need to break down the barriers so that people can talk comfortably to each other.

“It would never stir up resentment. Faith is an important issue. Why not have guidance on all of the issues that affect us, including different faiths?”

Health chiefs defended their use of the guidance and said it was important to promote a positive and tolerant culture at work.

A NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde spokesman said: “As a large organization we recognize that many of our staff, patients and visitors will be participating in Ramadan.

“We have therefore made information available to our staff to raise awareness of Ramadan and help to answer any questions they may have.”

NHS Lothian said: “We have recently agreed a quality and diversity strategy and as a responsible and pro-active employer we will continue to promote a positive culture which recognizes and respects diversity both in our workforce and in the people we serve.”


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CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez will present his blueprint for constitutional reform Wednesday, proposing sweeping changes expected to allow him to be re-elected indefinitely.

Chavez, who is seeking to transform Venezuelan society along socialist lines, unexpectedly announced late Tuesday that he would unveil his project before crowds of supporters at the National Assembly. He predicted it would bring renewed political upheaval to Venezuela.

Chavez's political allies firmly control the National Assembly responsible for reviewing his proposal as well as the Supreme Court. His critics accuse him of becoming obsessed with power and seeking to become a lifelong leader just like his close friend Fidel Castro.

Chavez rejects allegations that he poses a threat to democracy.

The Venezuelan leader predicted that most people would support his proposal to reform the constitution, but he also forecast the beginning of a tenacious political battle with the nation's opposition.

"I have faith that we are going to convince the immense majority of Venezuelans of the necessity and the immediate benefits that this is going to bring the country," Chavez said during a televised interview.

"Tomorrow our great battle begins," Chavez said. "They are going to launch a campaign tomorrow to try to distort the text and the spirit of the proposal."

Dozens of government supporters wearing red—the color of Chavez's ruling party—started gathering early Tuesday outside the National Assembly, where sound trucks and giant video screens were set up in preparation for the president's public address. A recently- nationalized telecommunications company sent text messages to mobile phone clients inviting them to the event.

Chavez has revealed few details of his reform proposal but has stressed the need to do away with presidential term limits that currently prevent him from seeking re-election in 2012.

All but a handful of the National Assembly's 167 members are Chavez loyalists, and critics expect lawmakers to approve most—if not all—of the president's reform proposals.

Many lawmakers say they support the idea of eliminating presidential term limits, but they argue the same rules should not apply to state governors and mayors.

National Assembly President Celia Flores said lawmakers could finish the reform debate within two months. Under the constitution, the final draft of the proposal must be approved by voters in a referendum.

Roman Catholic leaders have been among the most outspoken critics of Chavez's plans to rewrite the constitution, and the Venezuelan Bishops' Conference has complained that his reform proposals were drafted without public involvement. Others argue Chavez has dangerously divided Venezuela along class lines.

Since his re-election to a fresh six-year term in December, Chavez stoked fears that he his headed toward Cuba-style communism by creating a single ruling party and nationalizing Venezuela's several of key industries including the oil, telecommunications and electricity sectors.

"The majority of Venezuelans don't want socialism. He wants our country to be like Cuba, and we aren't going to accept that," said Linda Dos Santos, a 30-year-old shoe store owner who fears the government could move to seize second homes and distribute them among the poor under the pending reform.

Angel Angulo, a former horse racing jockey who currently works for the foreign ministry, denied the wealthy would be targeted by the government as Chavez moves to bridge the gap between the rich and poor.

"Socialism will bring benefits to those who need it the most, but all of us can live together," said Angulo, adding that Venezuela's opposition leaders oppose indefinite re-election "because they don't have any chance of being elected in forthcoming elections."

Chavez, a former paratroop commander who was first elected in 1998, denies copying Cuba and insists that basic freedoms will be respected under his government. He says that democracy has flourished, rather than diminished, under his administration.

Chavez pushed through a new constitution in 1999, shortly after he was first elected. He says the charter must be redrafted in order to steer Venezuela away from capitalism.


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A heavily pregnant woman is at the centre of an extraordinary legal battle with social workers after she secretly recorded them threatening to take away her newborn baby.
# YouTube audio: The secret recording

Vanessa Brookes, 34, who is due to give birth early next month, smuggled taping equipment into a meeting with social services officials, fearing they would try to take her baby for forced adoption.
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She recorded a social worker telling her and her husband Martin, 41, that even though there was "no immediate risk to your child from yourselves", the council would seek a court order to place the child in foster care.

Mother and baby would be allowed "two or three days" in hospital together, but should not leave the premises until social workers came to remove the infant. In a desperate attempt to keep their baby, the couple have published the recorded conversation on the internet.

Calderdale council, in West Yorkshire, last night accused them of breaching the Data Protection Act by recording its staff without their knowledge or consent. The council said it had begun legal action to have the recording removed from the YouTube website. Mrs Brookes said: "Even puppies and kittens aren't removed from their mothers at birth. Social workers always record everything, so why shouldn't we record them?"

John Hemming, the Liberal Democrat MP and chairman of campaign group Justice for Families, said: "I find it very odd that a newborn baby would be removed when there is not any allegation by the authorities that the child is at risk. Yet this case is not unique. There are many cases in which newborns are removed because of allegations that their mothers may at some later stage 'emotionally abuse' the child."

The case returns the spotlight to claims that social services are being heavy-handed in removing children from their parents, in order to meet Government adoption targets.

The Sunday Telegraph has previously revealed cases of mothers who were not told why their children were taken away, and cases of families whose children were not returned even after the parents had been cleared of wrongdoing. More than 2,000 babies aged under a year were taken for adoption last year, almost triple the level of a decade ago.

Social services took an interest in the Brookes family after Mrs Brookes, who is partially-sighted, was diagnosed with depression and a personality disorder, leading to concerns that her baby might be subjected to "emotional abuse". Neighbours have complained that the couple's household was disorderly, but neither has been accused of abusing or harming a child.

In the recorded meeting, the social worker tells the couple: "It's our intention as a local authority that when your baby is born, we go into court on that same day and ask for an interim court order because we would wish to place your baby with foster carers."

He tells Mrs Brookes: "I would like you and your baby to stay in hospital until the courts have made a decision."

The social worker says the two or three days the mother has with her baby in hospital will allow her to begin breast-feeding and that once the infant is taken away, social services will pick up expressed breast milk from her home and deliver it to the foster carers for bottle-feeding.

The social worker admits to the couple that a back-up plan is being drawn up in case the judge refuses the application for a care order. He says: "What we also have to think about is a child protection plan that looks at you, at home, with your baby. There is no immediate risk to your child from yourselves, that's my understanding from reading documents."

A spokesman for Calderdale council said officials would seek a meeting with Mr and Mrs Brookes "to understand how this information came into the public domain. We are taking action to have this item removed from YouTube. This recording was made without the knowledge or consent of our member of staff.

"The council does not take lightly any recommendation to the court for a child or a baby to be brought into care. The decision whether or not to institute care proceedings is made by social workers who have to consider the best interests of the child."


Good job, England.  First they take your guns, then they take your baby!

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People who even think about going for a drink face being banned from their town centre for up to two days under wideranging new police powers.

Potential trouble-makers can be asked to move on and stay away – even if they have not touched a drop of alcohol.

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The banning orders – called 'directions to leave' – can last for 48 hours and any breach can be punished with a fine of up to £2,500.

Fingerprints and DNA samples will be taken.

Ministers insist the new powers are a vital weapon in the fight against drinkrelated violence.

The orders, under the 2006 Violent Crime Reduction Act, came into force yesterday and can be made against anyone over 16.

Police can act against someone for doing nothing more illegal than looking like they might cause alcoholrelated disorder, whether they have started drinking or not.

Those given directions to leave will be handed details on a form, have their photo taken and may even receive a map of the area from which they are banned.

Home Office guidance states an order may be issued 'where an individual – or group of individuals – is in a public place and is causing a nuisance by being loud or troublesome'.

Home Office minister Tony McNulty called the orders 'a valuable tool in the fight to tackle alcoholrelated crime or disorder'.

But Gareth Crossman, policy director at Liberty, said: 'Anti-social behaviour can be a menace but these new powers allow people to be moved on and possibly criminalised even if they are minding their own business.'

The Lib Dems' David Heath added: 'This is just the latest in a long line of pointless Government gimmicks.'


It's scary what this world is becoming.

The thing I can't believe is that finger prints and DNA will be taken even more SUSPICION?  If anyone tried that here in the US with me...they'd never hear the end of it...starting from that first contact.  This is in no way going to help fight "alcohol related crime and disorder" if they really wanted to do that...they'd ban alcohol and close down the bars.  This is just an excuse for the UK to build a DNA/fingerprint/crime database on its citizens.

How did Britain ever become so complacent?  Tony Blair declares the Magna Carta null and void because he's pushing for the EU, even though 70% of the population is against it...and he just moves forward?!  Do that make any sense?  That would be like Bush telling us that the Constitution is being thrown out and the one in the National Hall of Records is being burnt...and he's going to make us a North American Union even though most people are against loosing national sovereignty.

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X wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:38am:
That would be like Bush telling us that the Constitution is being thrown out and the one in the National Hall of Records is being burnt...


Like when he said, "The constitution is just a $#^*@ piece of paper"?


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Like how he promotes the Security and Prosperity Partnership?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_Americ...

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http://www.youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=gAfzUOx53Rg&eurl=http%3A//digg.com/videos...

I don't know if you guys have been following this story...but this is awesome.  This is the first time I've heard of the cops admitting it.  Now we might not be considered crazy when we make claims like this anymore when protesting.

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We were saddened to hear of the passing of activist, film maker, freedom fighter and all round maverick Aaron Russo today, who died today after a long battle with cancer at the age of 64.

Aaron will be remembered fondly for all his achievements, not least of which the excellent America: From Freedom to Fascism, his final movie which exposed the fraudulent basis of the IRS and the Federal Reserve.

Aaron was a real patriot who loved his country and risked his whole career to stand for the truth. He was an example to us all.

Aaron Russo was the Samuel Adams of our day, a stalwart defender of liberty, his passing is greatly mourned but his fiery spirit lives on in all of his great work and in his wife, his children and his film America From Freedom to Fascism.

Our deep condolences go out to Aaron's family and friends at this difficult time.

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Well we always knew the govt stole from us...now they're doing it outright!

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There's really nothing else you can call it:

    Anastasio Prieto of El Paso gave a state police officer at the weigh station permission to search the truck to see if it contained "needles or cash in excess of $10,000," according to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the federal lawsuit Thursday.

    Prieto told the officer he didn't have any needles but did have $23,700.

    Officers took the money and turned it over to the DEA. DEA agents photographed and fingerprinted Prieto over his objections, then released him without charging him with anything.

    Border Patrol agents searched his truck with drug-sniffing dogs, but found no evidence of illegal substances, the ACLU said.

    DEA agents told Prieto he would receive a notice of federal proceedings to permanently forfeit the money within 30 days and that to get it back, he'd have to prove it was his and did not come from illegal drug sales.

    They told him the process probably would take a year, the ACLU said.

Wasn't this kind of crap supposed to stop after the 1997 federal forfeiture reforms?

Apparently not. Perhaps some drug warrior can explain to me how this kind of thing can possibly be justified. Should people who carry large sums of cash just assume that there's a small chance the government will simply steal it from them at gunpoint?


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5:24 PM EDT, August 24, 2007


NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Daniel Salchow and his sister, Dorothee, planned to spend a pleasant afternoon marking a trail for fellow members of their offbeat running and drinking club.

Instead, they wound up in police custody after their clue of choice _ flour _ set off a bioterrorism scare and forced hundreds to evacuate an IKEA furniture store Thursday.

"It was absolutely not in any way what we intended and not what we anticipated," Salchow said Friday at the New Haven courthouse.

Salchow, a New Haven ophthalmologist, and his sister, who is visiting from Hamburg, Germany, were charged with first-degree breach of peace, a felony.

The siblings are part of the Hash House Harriers, which bills itself as a "drinking club with a running problem" and has more than 1,800 chapters around the world. The runs typically end with beer stops at pubs or homes.

The club started in Malaysia in the late 1930s, when British citizens modified an old game called hares and hounds.

The Salchows said they have sprinkled flour everywhere from New York to California without incident.

"We had done the exact same thing in Washington, D.C., as recently as two months ago," Dr. Salchow said.

He and his wife, whom he met through the running group in New York, recently moved to New Haven, where he works with needy children through a Yale University program.

The four-mile run on Thursday, the New Haven club's fourth, was also a birthday celebration for Salchow, who turned 36 on Friday.

To make things interesting, he and Dorothee, 31, decided to route runners through the massive IKEA parking lot. They were the hares, meaning they marked the trail for others, the hounds, to follow. The idea is to use symbols to direct runners, throwing in some dead ends and forks in the trail as challenges.

Just before 5 p.m., police fielded a call that someone was sprinkling powder on the ground. The popular store was evacuated and remained closed the rest of the night.

Salchow was at home waiting for the other runners to arrive for an after-party when his wife called to say there was a problem. He biked to IKEA and tried to explain to officers that the powder was just harmless flour.

City officials weren't amused. The incident prompted a massive response from New Haven police and surrounding towns.

Mayoral spokeswoman Jessica Mayorga said the city plans to seek restitution from the Salchows and will meet Monday to decide how much.

She said they should not have used the flour if they knew it had caused scares in the past.

"You see powder connected by arrows and chalk, you never know," she said. "It could be a terrorist, it could be something more serious. We're thankful it wasn't, but there were a lot of resources that went into figuring that out."

IKEA did not reopen until Friday morning. The shutdown came at a busy time _ just as college students begin returning for fall classes. The store would not provide an estimate of the cost of closing. Assistant manager Lynn Deffendall said employees offered to deliver furniture to some customers who had driven more than two hours.

"We do know that unfortunately it was inconvenient for customers, but safety will always be number one for both our customers and the co-workers," she said.

The offbeat club's tactics have caused problems elsewhere.

In 2002, a trail of flour caused a mall in Fayetteville, N.C. to evacuate for two hours. A few months earlier, two runners in Oxford, Miss., were arrested after using small piles of white powder to mark a route through a busy downtown square.

Salchow said in the wake of Sept. 11, hashers started using chalk to mark their courses. But as tensions eased, they went back to flour because it is biodegradable. He said they'll start using chalk again or find somewhere else to run.

The Salchows were released on promises to appear in court. They're due back in court Sept. 14.

"Not in my wildest dreams did I ever anticipate anything like that," he said.


I love this brave new world we live in.  That sound you just heard was the toilet flushing - we're circling the drain.

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We'll soon need two Doomsday clocks...one for the entire world on the brink of extinction and one where our common sense dies.  I think we're at 11:59:58 on that clock.  And as soon as it changes to the magic hour it will blink 12:00 for the rest of time we have because someone's going to copyright 12:01 and sue whoever changes the clock.  Of course more than 90% of them won't even know how to do that anyways.

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A pretty good and entertaining short film about the militarization of the police.

http://www.teachpeace.com/policemilitarization.htm
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That was an interesting video, until he started singing.  That guy was so off key that he can't even hitch a bus ride to find a key to sing in.

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Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue - In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control. Assuming he's able to master the feat of controlling his rebirth, as Dalai Lamas supposedly have for the last 600 years, the situation is shaping up in which there could be two Dalai Lamas: one picked by the Chinese government, the other by Buddhist monks. "It will be a very hot issue," says Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford. "The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

So where in the world will the next Dalai Lama be born? Harrison and other Buddhism scholars agree that it will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America. With an estimated 8,000 Tibetans living in the United States, could the next Dalai Lama be American-born? "You'll have to ask him," says Harrison. If so, he'll likely be welcomed into a culture that has increasingly embraced reincarnation over the years. According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 20 percent of all U.S. adults believe in reincarnation. Recent surveys by the Barna Group, a Christian research nonprofit, have found that a quarter of U.S. Christians, including 10 percent of all born-again Christians, embrace it as their favored end-of-life view. A non-Tibetan Dalai Lama, experts say, is probably out of the question.


That's a freakin' joke.  Only China could pull off that one.

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Pretty sure Pat already posted this nub
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Actually I posted a story about how a "goddess" wasn't allowed to obtain her "godhood" anymore because she visited the US...and she was Hindu.

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Yeah, so suck it!

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Nope, someone has already posted that story....I read it somewhere....
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Yeah I saw it on another board first.  But that has nothing to do with how often I conquer your mom wes...
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The search function says you're wrong, sucka!

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In true 'cradle to grave' big government intrusion style, Democratic hopeful John Edwards has stated that under his presidency every citizen in the U.S. would be forced by law to enroll in a state- managed socialized health care system where regular check ups, including mental screenings, would be mandatory.

"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody get preventive care," he told a crowd sitting in lawn chairs in front of the Cedar County Courthouse. "If you are going to be in the system, you can't choose not to go to the doctor for 20 years. You have to go in and be checked and make sure that you are OK." Edwards is reported to have said.

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    He noted, for example, that women would be required to have regular mammograms in an effort to find and treat "the first trace of problem." Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, announced earlier this year that her breast cancer had returned and spread.

    Edwards said his mandatory health care plan would cover preventive, chronic and long-term health care. The plan would include mental health care as well as dental and vision coverage for all Americans.
    "The whole idea is a continuum of care, basically from birth to death," he said.
    The former North Carolina senator said all presidential candidates talking about health care "ought to be asked one question: Does your plan cover every single American?"
    "Because if it doesn't they should be made to explain what child, what woman, what man in America is not worthy of health care," he said. "Because in my view, everybody is worth health care."

The vision of an America where every citizen is forced by law to participate in health screenings overseen by the government should set stark warning bells ringing.

The level of micromanagement and the expansion of government into everyday life this would entail represents the antithesis of the founding principles of a constitutional Republic and the free market.

Edwards has also admitted that the plan would cost up to $120 billion a year, which he proposes covering by ending tax cuts to people who make more than $200,000 per year.

The assertion that every American should also undergo mandatory psychological evaluation by the government will be seen by many as a step too far.

While champions of Edwards have lauded his proposal as a shot at the big pharmaceuticals' monopoly on healthcare, the suggestion echoes the now infamous and much maligned Bush "New Freedom Initiative", a commission for which was established in April 2002, whereupon it recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

In addition to the big brother implications of the government having access to personal medical records, concerns were also raised over the fact that members of the New Freedom Commission have served on advisory boards for several drug companies, while others have direct ties to the Texas Medication Algorithm Project which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs and has notorious ties to the major pharmaceuticals.

In 2004 The British medical journal reported on these ties:

    Olanzapine (trade name Zyprexa), one of the atypical antipsychotic drugs recommended as a first line drug in the Texas algorithm, grossed $4.28bn (£2.35bn; 3.56bn) worldwide in 2003 and is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris reported that 70% of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid.
    Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, has multiple ties to the Bush administration. George Bush Sr was a member of Lilly's board of directors and Bush Jr appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to a seat on the Homeland Security Council. Lilly made $1.6m in political contributions in 2000—82% of which went to Bush and the Republican Party.

The New Freedom Initiative has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with big business, big government and indentured slavery.

John Edwards' scheme is a re-packaged version of the same thing.

Alarm bells should also be ringing given the fact that Edwards has long been obsessed with overhauling healthcare and making a fortune out of doing so. When he was a practicing lawyer, Edwards capitalized on faux scientific lawsuits that helped drive up insurance rates, and contributed to driving up medical costs, thereby helping drive millions of people right out of the medical system altogether. Edwards made tens of millions of dollars in contingency fees.

In addition Edwards' current campaign has so far has accepted about $24,000 from officials in the health care industry, including executives from the drug maker Pfizer and the insurance firm Blue Cross Blue Shield. And when he sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004, individuals employed by Novartis, Purdue Pharma and other health care and drug firms donated $25,700 to his campaign.


What happen to a woman's right to choose?  If we're so big on allowing women to have abortions wouldn't that also mean we want them to choose whether or not to seek any medical care?

This is tyranny pure and simple!

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Star Trek blade seized


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THIS five-foot martial arts sword capable of beheading a man was recovered by shocked cops in a house raid.

The terrifying Batleth weapon is identical to one wielded by Klingon aliens in the Star Trek sci-fi films.

Officers seized the three-handled sword — which has huge pointed blades at either end — at a home in Gloucester.

It was shown yesterday at the start of a five-week national knife amnesty. Cops hope 30,000 blades will be handed in, with owners free from prosecution.

Local Insp Mac McGarry wielded the sword, which he said had been sharpened to kill.

He said: “It is a particularly nasty weapon which could easily take someone’s head off.”

Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker launched the amnesty in St John’s Wood, North West London. He said: “We are determined to get the scourge of knife crime off our streets.”

But Victims of Crime campaigner Norman Brennan, a serving cop, branded the initiative a “futile PR stunt”.

He said: “It is likely to be supported by the law-abiding public and not those who carry knives for criminal activity.

“Knife crime will only get worse if we don’t introduce a five-year mandatory sentence for anyone carrying a knife.”

THE Queen’s grocer Fortnum & Mason was fined £2,000 by Horseferry Road Magistrates in London for selling a knife to a child under 16.


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I want one!

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Here's a great shot of America's Finest in action.  Stewie, I hope you end up on an ethics board in Columbus!  We need you!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2715792117793977759&hl=en

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Ya I saw this last night...there have been more and more of these idiotic cops around.  That's what you get when you militarize the police though.

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Officer in trouble over motorist's video in South County
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ST. GEORGE — A car-mounted video camera — more commonly used by police than against them — captured a loud and threatening confrontation in this tiny St. Louis County community that left an officer on suspension and the whole world able to listen in.

The picture doesn't show much, but the audio part of the recording, posted on Google Video and YouTube on the Internet, brought more than 300 protest calls to St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig.

"I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video," Uhrig said. "My officers are not trained and taught to act like that."

He put Sgt. James Kuehnlein on unpaid suspension pending further investigation.
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Uhrig said the officer's actions were not justified, and he insisted the episode is not representative of his department.

A voice identified as Kuehnlein's can be heard taunting the driver and threatening to jail him on fabricated charges.

The tape, made late last week, was from a camera running in the vehicle Kuehnlein approached, police said.

Brett Darrow, 20, of St. Louis, said he was the driver who recorded the exchange. He posted it online Saturday.

"I wanted everybody to see that this kind of stuff does happen," Darrow said. "I thought if I just go to the chief or whatever, it would just get swept under the rug."

Kuehnlein could not be reached for comment Monday night.

St. George, a municipality of about 1,300, sits along Interstate 55 at Reavis Barracks Road.

In the video, Kuehnlein, a St. George officer for about two years, approaches a young man who was sitting in a parked car about 2 a.m. in a commuter lot near Spokane and Reavis Barracks roads. Kuehnlein asks for identification. When Darrow asks whether he did anything wrong, the officer orders him out of the car and begins shouting.

"You want to try me? You want to try me tonight? You think you have a bad night? I will ruin your night. … Do you want to try me tonight, young boy?"

Darrow says no.

"Do you want to go to jail for some (expletive) reason I come up with?" the police officer says. Later, Darrow says, "I don't want any problems, officer."

"You're about to get it," Kuehnlein is heard saying. "You already started your (expletive) problems with your attitude."

After the officer notices the camera, he says, "I don't really care about your cameras, 'cause I'm about ready to tow your car, then we can tear 'em all apart."

After more than 10 minutes of interaction, Darrow is allowed to go.

Darrow said he was not trying to entrap the officer. He said he pulled into the commuter lot to meet a friend. When the officer asked him for identification, Darrow said he didn't immediately present it because he believes the officer stopped him without probable cause.

Darrow said he installed the cameras in his Nissan Maxima after past run-ins with police. He said he was involved in a physical confrontation in 2005 with an off-duty St. Louis police officer, in a case Darrow said was later dismissed.

Darrow said he plans to meet with Uhrig today to discuss the weekend incident.

Chief Uhrig said Kuehnlein stopped to talk to Darrow because police have received reports of thefts from cars in the area. But, Uhrig said, based on his viewing of the online video, the officer acted inappropriately when he threatened to make up charges, and used a disrespectful tone and inappropriate language.

"We don't do that," Uhrig said. "Someone either violated the law or they didn't. You don't say, I'll lock you up and then come up with why afterward."


Wow a police chief who put the officer on UNPAID leave...now that is something!
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HAHA make up charges?!...Officers do that?!


...Least the cop didn't arrest me for "stealing my fathers car" because my dad wouldn't answer his cell phone and tell the guy I borrowed it.
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Unpaid leave, indeed!  You don't see that very often!

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Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.

The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.

Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.

“Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no,” said Langston. “She didn't like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt.”

The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn’t want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.


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I bet you anything that they would have been ok with Mexican flags.  Mexicans, both legal and illegal, basically have free reign in any souther state...other than LA...LA beats them...but they beat everyone so they're equal opportunity beaters.

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London has 10,000 crime-fighting CCTV cameras which cost £200 million, figures show today.

But an analysis of the publicly funded spy network, which is owned and controlled by local authorities and Transport for London, has cast doubt on its ability to help solve crime.

A comparison of the number of cameras in each London borough with the proportion of crimes solved there found that police are no more likely to catch offenders in areas with hundreds of cameras than in those with hardly any.

In fact, four out of five of the boroughs with the most cameras have a record of solving crime that is below average.

The figures were obtained by the Liberal Democrats on the London Assembly using the Freedom of Information Act.

Dee Doocey, the Lib-Dems' policing spokeswoman, said: "These figures suggest there is no link between a high number of CCTV cameras and a better crime clear-up rate.

"We have estimated that CCTV cameras have cost the taxpayer in the region of £200million in the last 10 years but it's not entirely clear if some of that money would not have been better spent on police officers.

"Although CCTV has its place, it is not the only solution in preventing or detecting crime.

"Too often calls for CCTV cameras come as a knee-jerk reaction. It is time we engaged in an open debate about the role of cameras in London today."

The figures show:

• There are now 10,524 CCTV cameras in 32 London boroughs funded with Home Office grants totalling about £200million.

• Hackney has the most cameras - 1,484 - and has a better-than-average clearup rate of 22.2 per cent.

• Wandsworth has 993 cameras, Tower Hamlets, 824, Greenwich, 747 and Lewisham 730, but police in all four boroughs fail to reach the average 21 per cent crime clear-up rate for London.

• By contrast, boroughs such as Kensington and Chelsea, Sutton and Waltham Forest have fewer than 100 cameras each yet they still have clear-up rates of around 20 per cent.

• Police in Sutton have one of the highest clear-ups with 25 per cent.

• Brent police have the highest clear-up rate, with 25.9 per cent of crimes solved in 2006-07, even though the borough has only 164 cameras.

The figures appear to confirm earlier studies which have thrown doubt on the effectiveness of CCTV cameras.

A report by the criminal justice charity Nacro in 2002 concluded that the money spent on cameras would be better used on street lighting, which has been shown to cut crime by up to 20 per cent.

Scotland Yard is trying to improve its track record on the use of CCTV and has set up a special unit which collects and circulates CCTV images of criminals.

A pilot project is running in Southwark and Lambeth and is expected to be rolled out across the capital.

The figures only include state-funded cameras.

The true number, once privately run units and CCTV at rail and London Underground stations are taken into account, will be significantly higher.


Hmm a complete camera grid doesn't reduce crime nor solves it?  Amazing...I wonder why America's big cities, and some smaller ones, are earmarking millions of dollars installing these cameras on our American streets!

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got a problem?  Throw money at it!
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Betty Perry is charged with resisting arrest and failing to maintain her landscaping, both misdemeanors.

She was arrested July 6 after failing to give her name to a police officer who visited her home.

During a struggle, Perry fell and injured her nose. She spent more than an hour in a holding cell before police released her.

"I ask the citizens of Orem: How many of you would like to have your great-grandmother taken from her home with bruises and blood and placed in handcuffs for failing to water her lawn?" attorney Gloria Allred said.

"Let's bring sanity back to law enforcement," she said.

The mayor and City Council apologized, and the police department said the situation could have been handled differently. But the city attorney still is pressing charges, and Perry is due back in court next month.

A state investigation found that Officer James Flygare acted properly in arresting Perry after trying to get her to cooperate.

Perry's water had been turned off for about nine months, at her request, although she was living at the house at the time of the arrest. Orem has a shutoff policy for people who are away for extended periods


Fight the good fight stewie!

beat the shit out of those dirty old folks that don't water their lawns.
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Isn't that the reason why everyone goes into law enforcement...to get these old hooligans off the streets while we let the CIA run drugs through the inner cities?!  I know that's the reason I'M in it!
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For the love of God...

Here is the next President of the United States...

http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/home.html

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My Campaign Theme

The United States Government must regulate government sleepers and government regulations authorized thought, ideas, acts, actions, rights, wrongs, controversies, facts, issues and circumstantial evidence through intelligence research, law research, law enforcement research and criminal law research implementing ROTC communications research innovating education national and international.

My Platform

My platform for President of the United States Of America is Criminal Law. It is developed from my Method of Education. I was ordered to create and or invent by the United States Army that is now intact regulating the United States Government protecting it through Military Intelligence Computerization Management a new Disipline I invented and the Administration of Criminal Law Laws across the board.

My Direction

The United States Government education will perfect the vindication of it’s government regulating it’s directions and resources requirement by the law only.


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If he isn't a Nigerian prince whose fathered died and needs my money to get his money out...I don't know who is a Nigerian prince whose fathered died and needs my money to get his money out.

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Remember that cop that was on video threatening the kid...he got fired....NO REALLY!

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ST. GEORGE, Missouri (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.

Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.

Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.

Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Video Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »

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"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."

Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend


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It's about time.  Considering how many people saw that video, I think it was practically inevitable.

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I am actually surprised they fired him.  I expected a strict 2 days off...WITHOUT PAY!

I can't wait until stewie is a cop, then I can taunt him all I want without worring about being arrested and thrown in federal pound me in the ass prison.
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Remember though spanky...you could also "trip" when I'm helping you get into my squad care and "accidentally" hit your head.

Bah ha ha....there's no way I can be a tough cop...I'm going to be one of those cops who thinks he can help everybody.  Geez isn't that sad. /sarcasm

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if we remove some of that sentance we get:

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I can't wait until [I am] thrown in federal pound me in the ass prison.


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Or...

spanky wrote on Sep 25th, 2007 at 8:34am:
I can't wait until Stewie can pound me in the ass.


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How dare you carry money with you in your car!  The police are going to collect all of it...ya I don't care if the 1/4 of a million dollars might be yours...I suspect it's stolen...MINE!  Nor yours!

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Driving 11 miles over the speed limit cost one driver more than a quarter-million dollars this weekend — at least for now.

A State Patrol trooper spotted a Honda Accord speeding southbound on Interstate 5 on Friday, according to State Patrol spokesman Jeff Merrill. It was raining, and the driver was cruising down the freeway at 71 mph. So the trooper pulled the driver over, Merrill said.

The 35-year-old from British Columbia, who had a valid driver's license, struggled to tell the trooper where he was going and how long he had been in Washington, prompting the trooper to search his car, Merrill said.

The trooper found two suitcases in the trunk — one filled with $276,640 in cash. The driver claimed he won the stacks of dollar bills at 23 casinos in Washington, California and Nevada, but he was unable to produce any receipts, according to Merrill.

The money was confiscated as the State Patrol investigates the incident. Merrill said if it is determined the man obtained the money legally it will be returned to him.


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Welcome to America, where you have to prove you legally own your possessions or the cops will keep 'em!

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Hey guys...remember that cop who got fired for threatening the kid.  Ya...his buddy's are now stalking him.  link with video, doesn't show much but it's something:

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Saint Louis, Missouri police stake out the home of young motorist whose video of an out-of-control police officer garnered international attention.

Saint Louis Police Car 65A young Saint Louis, Missouri motorist faces trouble with local police upset at the national attention his September 7 video of an out-of-control officer has drawn to ongoing problems within area law enforcement agencies. On Sunday, Brett Darrow filmed a Saint Louis Metropolitan Police Department cruiser staking out his home.

"It was the first time I've seen it," Darrow told TheNewspaper. "But my neighbor said he's seen a lot of police down our dead end street since all of this happened."

When Darrow walked outside to his 1997 Nissan Maxima, he noticed two officers sitting in a marked squad car, numbered 65. There is little question as to why the officers were there.

"As I got into the car, he started to pull up the street and he and his partner just stared me down," Darrow explained.

The patrol car drove away as Darrow started his car and followed. Because his camera had been set to capture night-time footage, the first 45 seconds of the video is obscured. It does, however, capture the police car making questionable turning maneuvers in order to get away. Members of the police community are on the record regarding their desire to stake out Darrow's home and harass the twenty-year-old. In late June, users of St. Louis CopTalk, an unofficial forum for Saint Louis area law enforcement, posted Darrow's home address along with messages containing apparent death threats in retaliation for the young motorist's taping of a DUI roadblock in November and a traffic ticket in June. One CopTalk user repeating the address wrote, "Every copper, City and County, should etch this little punks [sic] name in their [sic] memory. Brett Darrow, [address deleted], city of St. Louis." (View screen capture of post)

This month, however, scandals within the Saint Louis Police Department which otherwise would have been a local story, gathered national attention and fueled additional resentment. Some $40,000 in cash turned up "missing" from the police evidence room on September 17. The city of St. George was forced to fire Sergeant James Kuehnlein for his threat to "come up with reasons" to "lock up" Darrow. An investigation into whether Kuehnlein's actions merit criminal charges is under way. Darrow met on Monday with a Saint Louis County Police Department detective.

"I quickly learned that this was about finding something I did wrong and not the officer," Darrow said.

Despite the official harassment, Darrow has been comforted by an unexpected level of support from the general public. Motorists who recognized him from various television interviews have stopped to thank him or give him the "thumbs up." A judge also dropped charges from the June traffic stop after a Saint Louis police officer failed to show up at a trial where Darrow had been prepared to defend himself with video evidence.

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PORTLAND, Ore. —  Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment."

Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield sought the ruling in a lawsuit against the federal government after he was mistakenly linked by the FBI to the Madrid train bombings that killed 191 people in 2004.

The federal government apologized and settled part of the lawsuit for $2 million after admitting a fingerprint was misread. But as part of the settlement, Mayfield retained the right to challenge parts of the Patriot Act, which greatly expanded the authority of law enforcers to investigate suspected acts of terrorism.

Mayfield claimed that secret searches of his house and office under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act violated the Fourth Amendment's guarantee against unreasonable search and seizure. Aiken agreed with Mayfield, repeatedly criticizing the government.

"For over 200 years, this Nation has adhered to the rule of law — with unparalleled success. A shift to a Nation based on extra-constitutional authority is prohibited, as well as ill-advised," she wrote.

By asking her to dismiss Mayfield's lawsuit, the judge said, the U.S. attorney general's office was "asking this court to, in essence, amend the Bill of Rights, by giving it an interpretation that would deprive it of any real meaning. This court declines to do so."

Elden Rosenthal, an attorney for Mayfield, issued a statement on his behalf praising the judge, saying she "has upheld both the tradition of judicial independence, and our nation's most cherished principle of the right to be secure in one's own home."

Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr said the agency was reviewing the decision, and he declined to comment further.

Mayfield, a Muslim convert, was taken into custody on May 6, 2004, because of a fingerprint found on a detonator at the scene of the Madrid bombing. The FBI said the print matched Mayfield's. He was released about two weeks later, and the FBI admitted it had erred in saying the fingerprints were his and later apologized to him.

Before his arrest, the FBI put Mayfield under 24-hour surveillance, listened to his phone calls and surreptitiously searched his home and law office.

The Mayfield case has been an embarrassment for the federal government. Last year, the Justice Department's internal watchdog faulted the FBI for sloppy work in mistakenly linking Mayfield to the Madrid bombings. That report said federal prosecutors and FBI agents had made inaccurate and ambiguous statements to a federal judge to get arrest and criminal search warrants against Mayfield.


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Great now the terrorists are going to get us using those 2 provisions...and all because they and the judge hate our freedom.  Doesn't anyone realize that since they hate our freedom we must let the govt take it away so that we are safe?!

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I only feel safe when someone else makes all my decisions for me.
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I only feel safe when I've got 1,500+ rounds of 5.56x45mm sitting in my closet.

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This is just elitism and corruption.  If I was in this legislature's building I would be drug out screaming as these douchbags....I just can't believe the chick wants the people who vote for her to have integrity...but she flips her constituents the bird when it comes to her and her fellow cronies!

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Drop a piece of birthday cake in school - you get arrested, your arm broken, called a racial slur, and expelled.

You're her mother who wants the security guard arrested - You get arrested.

You take a video of the security guard abusing the girl - You get arrested.

Your the sister of a guy who takes a video of the security guard abusing the girl - You get arrested.

Nope...no police state here!

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Zimbabwe's bakeries have shut and supermarkets have warned there will be no bread for the foreseeable future as the government admitted that wheat production had collapsed following the seizure of white-owned farms.
The agricultural ministry announcement that the wheat harvest is only about a third of what is required, and that imports are held up by lack of hard currency, came as a deadline passed today for the last white farmers to leave their land or face prosecution for trespass.

The maize harvest is expected to be equally dire and price controls to contain hyperinflation have emptied the stores of most other foodstuffs. The World Food Programme says at least 3 million people - one in four of the population - will need food aid in the coming months. It describes hunger in some parts of the country, which used to be a food exporter, as "acutely serious".
Last week, the government said it plans to import 100,000 tonnes of wheat but acknowledged that a shipment of 35,000 tonnes was held up in Mozambique because of a shortage of hard currency to pay for it.

The agriculture minister, Rugare Gumbo, has blamed the food shortages on black farmers who have taken over formerly white-owned land.

"I am painfully aware of the widespread theft of stock, farm produce, irrigation equipment and the general vandalism of infrastructure by our new farmers," he said.

"I am disappointed that our new farmers have proved to be failures since the start of the land reform programme in 2000. In spite of all the support government has been pouring into the agricultural sector, productivity and under-utilisation of land remain issues of concern."

The ministry of agriculture has also blamed electricity shortages for the wheat shortfall, saying that power cuts have affected irrigation and halved crop yields per acre.

The power shortages are likely to continue. Mozambique has reduced electricity supplies to Zimbabwe because of a $35m (£17.1m) unpaid bill. Shortages of coal and spares for power stations and mining equipment have also hit electricity production and power cuts are now a regular feature of daily life.

Zimbabwe, once the world's second largest exporter of tobacco, has also seen production of its main cash crop nosedive, further undermining its ability to buy food from abroad. This year's crop is not likely to be much better than recent harvests, with many farmers saying that their seedlings have died for lack of irrigation.

Cigarettes are only available on the black market at many times the official price, and now cost more than marijuana - a cash crop that does not appear to have been severely affected by the crisis.

The government's admission that the land redistribution has failed to deliver the promised boost to food production coincides with a deadline for the last white farmers to vacate their land. The farms were nationalised last year and the handover to the state was set for today.

Any farmer remaining on their former land faces prosecution for trespassing on state property. About 50 farmers have already been summonsed by the courts.

White farmers say that senior ruling party, military and intelligence officials have been touring their former properties to lay a claim and that they have little confidence the land will be distributed among the poor as the government claims.

Zimbabwe's economic problems are likely to be compounded by a law passed last week that compels many publicly owned companies, including foreign firms, to sell a majority of their equity to black Zimbabweans.

Critics say the legislation amounts to expropriation because it effectively forces the companies to hand over half of their value by taxing them to raise the money to "buy" the 51% stake for black investors approved by the government.

The government has ignored the protests of some foreign investors, including South African banks and mining houses. With the collapse of tobacco production, mining is now the country's largest source of foreign currency.

Zimbabwe's minister of indigenisation, Paul Mangwana, said those companies that do not like it can "pack their bags and go".

"If they feel that we went into the bush [to fight against white rule] for them to enjoy our wealth then they can leave. We are talking about the total liberation of this country. I have no apologies for that," he said.

Last week, the International Monetary Fund said that it would not renew assistance to Zimbabwe until it adopts economic policies rooted in "reality". The IMF suspended dealings with Harare late last year.

President Robert Mugabe continues to blame his country's financial problems on what he calls British-led economic sanctions. The UK says that the sanctions, imposed by the EU and the US, target leading Zimbabwe officials and have no impact on the economy.


Let them eat cake.  This is pure poetic justice.

Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, used to be the breadbasket of Africa.  Now they'll eat the crop seed and sell the farm equipment for scrap.  This is what happens when the inmates run the asylum.

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LONDON - Mayor Bloomberg has a message for New Yorkers who don't like surveillance cameras: Get real.

"It's just ridiculous people who object to using technology," the mayor said, adding that he had not talked with anyone in London who wasn't "thrilled" at the presence of security cameras in their capital.

The Daily News reported yesterday that a camera in lower Manhattan has been secretly recording license plates in a test of the planned "Ring of Steel" surveillance system.

The plates are compared against a database so the NYPD can immediately know when a suspicious car or truck is in the area. London has such a system in place in its financial district.

Bloomberg, appearing with London Mayor Ken Livingstone at a news conference, said New Yorkers are "very naïve" if they don't realize they are already being watched.

"We are under surveillance all the time," he said, pointing out that cops grab video from private closed-circuit cameras when crimes are committed.

As for privacy concerns, he said, "You've already given that away when you buy a car and register it and put a license plate on the back, which is basically putting your name on the back of the car."

Livingstone agreed that Londoners feel safer because of the cameras, saying he couldn't recall a single letter of complaint.

The mayor called his visit a "busman's holiday." He rode a double-decker bus with Livingstone, viewed a hybrid taxi and visited a police control room, where he saw the original "Ring of Steel" in action.

City of London Police Superintendent Alex Robertson said the surveillance system to monitor every vehicle that enters the square-mile financial district - known as the City of London - was pioneered to combat IRA terrorism.

As a demonstration, he displayed a screen image of the car Bloomberg arrived in. "I'm the handsome one in the back," Bloomberg quipped.

Noting that London has a camera in every bus and subway car, Bloomberg said, "We are way behind and we really do have to catch up."

Bloomberg also talked about another London innovation he admires - congestion pricing, introduced by Livingstone in 2003. Londoners pay $16 to drive into the center of town. Bloomberg said he believed the New York State Legislature would pass his plan to introduce pricing on a pilot basis in the city.

The mayor, who has a home in London's posh Chelsea neighborhood, said he expected to spend more time here once he leaves office.


Let's put cameras in your private areas, Mayor.

Yes it's ridiculous that anyone would want a system of cameras that has been shown NOT to work in Britian that has 1 camera for every 4 people.  Yes, it's ridiculous that anyone would spend money on a system that doesn't work, pay people to watch them not work, and assume that people are safer because of them.  Maybe NY should try and concentrate on a crime reducing policy that will actually lower crime...not waste money on a failed system.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,1,4731731.s...

long article on the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that show that Israel knowingly attacked the US vessel, possibly to draw the United States into their war.

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"I can't identify it, but in any case it's a military ship," Spector radioed his ground controller, according to a transcript of the Israeli air-to-ground communications published by the Jerusalem Post in 2004.

That transcript, made by a Post reporter who was allowed to listen to what the Israeli Air Force said were tapes of the attacking pilots' communications, contained only two references to "American" or "Americans," one at the beginning and the other at the end of the attack.

The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing run.

In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the ground suddenly blurted out, "What is this? Americans?"

"Where are Americans?" replied one of the air controllers.

The question went unanswered, and it was not asked again.

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers, the controller directing the attack asked his chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel belonged.

"Apparently American," the chief controller replied.

Fourteen minutes later the Liberty was struck amidships by a torpedo from an Israeli boat, killing 26 of the 100 or so NSA technicians and specialists in Russian and Arabic who were working in restricted compartments below the ship's waterline.

Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

"The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

"The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors."

Forslund said he clearly recalled "the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely."

"He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots' responses that it didn't sink."

Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. "Everybody saw these," said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

Forslund's recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots' communications.

One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service's 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.

"It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty," Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. "Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to 'complete the job' and get out of there."

Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and cryptologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

The transcripts Block remembered seeing "were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?'

"And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'"

Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading.

"There is simply no way that [the Post transcript is] the same as what I saw," Gotcher said. "More to the point, for anyone familiar with air-to-ground [communications] procedures, that simply isn't the way pilots and controllers communicate."

Block, now a child protection caseworker in Florida, observed that "the fact that the Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control appears to be a missing part of that Jerusalem Post article."



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I'm thinking of starting a new post as well...called WTF are our cops up to?!

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6292

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I know police officers are human and make mistakes but don't we train police officers to deal with these "emotions" if that's the defense route you want to take.

Also...if that guy can be elected mayor...I think any nerd living in his mom's basement has a chance too.  Come on, put a Viking hat on that guy and give him a bag of Cheetos and he's a D&D guy!

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LONDON - A polio outbreak in Nigeria was caused by the vaccine designed to stop it, international health officials say, leaving at least 69 children paralyzed.
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It is a frightening paradox in a part of the world that already distrusts western vaccines, making it even tougher to stamp out age-old diseases.

The outbreak was caused by the live polio virus that is used in vaccines given orally — the preferred method in developing countries because it is cheaper and doesn't require medical training to dispense.

"This vaccine is the most effective tool we have against the virus, but it's like fighting fire with fire," said Olen Kew, a virologist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC and the World Health Organization announced the cause of the polio outbreak last week, even though they knew about it last year.

Outbreaks caused by the oral vaccine's live virus have happened before. But the continuing Nigerian outbreak is the biggest ever caused by the vaccine. It also follows a nearly yearlong boycott of the vaccine in Africa's most populous country because of unfounded fears the vaccine was a Western plot to sterilize Muslims.

Officials now worry that the latest vaccine-caused Nigerian outbreak could trigger another vaccine scare.

Experts say such outbreaks only happen when too few children are vaccinated. In northern Nigeria, only about 39 percent of children are fully protected against polio.

The oral polio vaccine contains a weakened version of polio virus. Children who have been vaccinated excrete the virus, and in unsanitary conditions it can end up in the water supply, spreading to unvaccinated children.

In rare instances, as the virus passes through unimmunized children, it can mutate into a form that is dangerous enough to spark new outbreaks.

In 2001, officials reported that 22 children were paralyzed from polio in the Dominican Republic and Haiti in this way. Subsequent vaccine-caused polio outbreaks have occurred in the Philippines, Madagascar, China and Indonesia.

In the West, the polio vaccine is given as a shot and uses an inactivated virus, but that method is more expensive and requires training.

In Nigeria, the outbreak comes "in the wake of all the other problems they've had in," said Dr. Donald A. Henderson, who led WHO's smallpox eradication campaign in the 1970s.

In 2003, politicians in northern Nigeria canceled vaccination campaigns for nearly a year, claiming the vaccine was a Western plot to sterilize Muslims. That led to an explosion of polio, and the virus jumped to about two dozen countries.

Now, health officials' decision to keep quiet about the cause of the outbreak for so long may look suspicious.

Dr. David Heymann, WHO's top polio official, said that because the organization considered the outbreak to be a problem for scientists and not something that would change global vaccination practices, they thought it was was unnecessary to immediately share publicly.

CDC's Kew added: "The people who are against immunization may seize on anything that could strengthen their position, even if it's scientifically untenable."

Rumors are still rife among Nigerians that the vaccine is unsafe, and several religious leaders continue to lecture on its dangers. Another mass vaccine boycott could lead to further polio spread, derailing long-standing eradication efforts for good.

Nigerian health officials contacted by The Associated Press declined to comment on the situation.

"Convincing the Nigerians to take even more of this vaccine will be a tough sell," said Dr. Samuel Katz, an infectious diseases specialist at Duke University and co-inventor of the measles vaccine.

More than 10 billion polio doses have been given to children worldwide, and the vaccine has been credited with cutting polio incidence by more than 99 percent since 1988. Far more children are paralyzed by the wild polio virus than the virus spread by the oral vaccine. But no vaccine is risk-free.

WHO said that changing the vaccination strategy is unnecessary. "It would be nice if we had a more stable oral polio vaccine, but that's not the way it is today," Heymann said. "We will continue working the way we have been working because we don't want children to be paralyzed anywhere."


Ya and I get called crazy for telling people that mercury in vaccines are bad for you and that Africa keeps getting vaccines that are "accidentally" laced with anti-fertility drugs, which are not the cheapest things ever, and given to African women.  Ya there's no way any of these vaccines are harmful or cause any side effects!
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Last time I got a vaccine the CIA put a chip in my head that is stealing my brain waves.


But totally for serial, vaccines help far more people than they hurt.  I feel a "quit your bitchin!" coming on.
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Really?  And you can prove this?  Or do you just say they're good because the nice men in lab coats tell you?

I can prove just the opposite if you'd like.

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Ok just give me this weekend and I'll give you a great write up with videos, documents, links, and all around good stuff.

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WASHINGTON — Texas wants President Bush to get out of the way of the state's plan to execute a Mexican for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.

Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the execution of Jose Ernesto Medellin in what has become a confusing test of presidential power that the Supreme Court ultimately will sort out.

The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.

That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.

"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.
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Texas argues strenuously that neither the international court nor Bush, his Texas ties notwithstanding, has any say in Medellin's case.

Ted Cruz, the Texas solicitor general, said the administration's position would "allow the president to set aside any state law the president believes is inconvenient to international comity."

The Supreme Court will hear arguments in the case Wednesday.

Medellin was born in Mexico but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena on a railroad trestle as the girls were taking a shortcut home.

Ertman, 14, and Pena, 16, were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.

Medellin was arrested a few days after the killings. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate under the 1963 treaty.

Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.

Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial.

Then, in 2003, Mexico sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S. who also had been denied access to their country's diplomats following their arrests.

Mexico has no death penalty. Mexico and other opponents of capital punishment have sought to use the court, also known as the World Court, to fight for foreigners facing execution in the U.S.

The international court ruled for Mexico in 2004, saying the sentences and convictions should be reviewed by U.S. courts.

Medellin's case was rejected by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The Supreme Court agreed to hear his appeal. While it was pending in Washington, Bush issued a memo to his attorney general declaring that state courts must enforce the international court's ruling.

Two weeks after the memo, Bush said the U.S. was withdrawing from an international accord that lets the world court have the final say when citizens claim they were illegally denied access to their diplomats when they are jailed abroad.

The treaty had been used by the United States in its lawsuit against Iran for taking Americans hostages in 1979.

The Supreme Court weighed in next, dismissing Medellin's case while state courts reviewed Bush's order. Texas courts again ruled against Medellin, saying Bush overstepped his authority by intruding into the affairs of the independent judiciary.

In April, the Surpeme Court stepped in for a second time, putting Bush and the state he governed on opposite sides and setting up an unusual alliance of interests.

Foreign inmates on death rows in California, Florida, Texas and up to a dozen other states could be affected by the outcome.

Four of Medellin's fellow gang members also received the death penalty and one, Sean O'Brien, was executed last year. Two others had their death sentences commuted to life in prison in 2005 when the Supreme Court barred executions for those who were age 17 at the time of their crimes. Another defendant does not have an execution date.

A sixth participant, Medellin's brother, Vernancio, was 14 at the time. He was tried as a juvenile and is serving 40 years in prison.

Ertman's parents said they want to see the older Medellin brother put to death, pointing out in court papers that his case has been going on longer than their daughter lived.

The case is Medellin v. Texas, 06-984.


So much for state's rights.  Considering what this guy did, I wouldn't be opposed to having him marched out behind the prison and beat to death with a two-by-four.

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It caused some controversy, but it was supposed to. Now, one man is headed to municipal court for burning a Mexican flag in protest in front of the Alamo.

The city is charging 46-year old David Bohmfalk with burning without a permit, even though no one gives permits to burn a flag.

"I was raised to respect my country," Bohmfalk said.

All the rallies and talk of amnesty for undocumented immigrants in May 2006 lit the fires of patriotism for Bohmfalk, he said.

"I just got angry," he said. "I decided I had to do something, make my statement, and that's what I did."

More coverage KENS video: Watch the broadcast

Bohmfalk had his own protest in front of a building known for revolution, where Davy Crockett and James Bowie made a stand. So did Bohmfalk but he used a lighter instead of gunfighter. Park police cited Bohmfalk for illegal burning of rubbish, even it was a Mexican flag he set ablaze.

"Because of what it's made out of, it took a little while to burn it. It took me two minutes, but I got it lit," Bohmfalk

Authorities say his actions left some of the Mexican nationals in the Alamo crowd feeling burned. However, Bohmfalk's attorney, Jason Jakob, says, freedom of speech is Bohmfalk's constitutional right.

"My client felt so strongly, and exercised protest, by burning that flag," Jakob said.

Bohmfalk says while he was detained by police, he was harassed, his life was threatened, and he was even assaulted by some tourists who spit on him. Ironically, all these offenses are punishable by law. Jakob says flag burning is not.

"In America, every day we see people burning the American flag and it's become desensitized," Jakob said. "If we can allow that, we can certainly say that the Mexican flag can be burned."

As a former Texas police chief and military veteran, Bohmfalk says he knows his rights, and is fighting for them.

"Why should a foreign flag get any better protection than the American flag?" he said.

The city has not returned calls for comment. As for Bohmfalk's right to a speedy trial, that's been delayed as well. His trial has been reset three times.


This reeks of pure hypocrisy.  When is the last time you saw a hippy get busted for burning an American flag?  Screw Mexico, and screw their flag, too.

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When it comes to the nation's finances, Kathleen Casey-Kirschling is Public Enemy No. 1.

Her offense: being born.

Specifically, being born on Jan. 1, 1946, just a tick after midnight. That made her the first member of the 80 million-strong baby-boom generation, which, starting next year, will begin to bankrupt the nation by crashing the Medicare and Social Security systems. To tout this happy "milestone," the Social Security Administration called a news conference yesterday and invited cameras to film Casey-Kirschling signing up for benefits.

"I think I'm just lucky to be at the top of the boom," said the retired schoolteacher. "I'm blessed to be able to take my Social Security now."

No kidding. As the boomers retire, Social Security will go into the red in 2017 and become insolvent 24 years later, according to the system's trustees. Medicare, meanwhile, starts bleeding in 2013 and goes under in 2019.

Fixing the two would require Medicare and Social Security benefits to be cut immediately by 51 percent and 13 percent, respectively, perhaps by raising retirement ages. And that's a nonstarter for Casey-Kirschling's generation. "Why should boomers who have earned it and who may need that extra support in their retirement -- for medicine, for food, for whatever -- why should they wait if they really don't have to?" she asked.

"That's exactly right," concurred Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue, standing at Casey-Kirschling's side. "And I think we ought to cut Kathy a little bit of a break here."

Yes, let's. It's not her fault that, ever since a writer for Money magazine found her on the eve of her 40th birthday in 1985, she has been a symbol of her generation. If anything, the ones to blame for the entitlement problems are the boomer presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and all the boomers in Congress who have put off the painful changes everybody knows will be needed.

Commissioner Astrue, also a boomer, spent much of the news conference whistling past the graveyard of entitlement insolvency.

"There's no reason to have any immediate panic," he announced. "This president, everybody running for president, pretty much everybody in Congress, all accept that there's an issue."

Astrue said he expects Social Security to be fixed before his term as commissioner ends in 2013. And even if not, he added: "It's not catastrophic. . . . Some of the nuclear-winter scenarios that you hear people talking about, really there isn't a factual basis for that."

"What makes you confident?" asked Bloomberg News's Brian Faler.

I spent a fair amount of time talking to senior people in the White House, talking to people in Congress," Astrue explained. "There is an acknowledgment that they have to step up and do it."

Oh? "We're not seeing that," WJLA's Rebecca Cooper advised the commissioner. "What did they tell you?"

"When you're behind closed doors," the commissioner asserted, "there's a real expectation that it's going to happen."

Cooper tried again. "You as the leader on this -- what are you backing?"

"Well, uh, I -- I'm flattered by the assumption of your question," the commissioner said, but "Secretary Paulson has the lead." (That would be Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.)

"What do you recommend?"

"Well, I'm recommending what Secretary Paulson knows I'm recommending to him, but I'm not going to share that now."

So, the Social Security commissioner has secret ideas for fixing the system and lawmakers secretly want to take action? No wonder the members of Generation X -- born after 1964 -- are more likely to believe in UFOs than in receiving their Social Security checks.

Casey-Kirschling, speaking for the boomers, counseled confidence. "I have great hope," she said, that Social Security will be repaired for "my children's generation and certainly my grandchildren's."

Cooper, a Gen X-er, asked Casey-Kirschling about that famous UFO poll. "Why do you have so much confidence?"

"I always like to have my glass half full," she explained.

The first boomer, who lives on Maryland's Eastern Shore, opened her eyes wide with surprise as she entered yesterday's event at the National Press Club and saw all the TV cameras. She put on her reading glasses, then pointed and clicked her way through the online application while television recorded her every mouse movement. "A fun experience," she pronounced when she finished, then went on to explain why she was applying for early Social Security benefits.

"I'm going to take it now because I can take it now," Casey-Kirschling reasoned. "I'm thrilled to think that after all these years I'm getting paid back the money I put in."

For those who will follow the boomers into retirement, it had the faint ring of a taunt.


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But our government wouldn't kill us anymore!  The government loves us!

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If you'll refer farther up in this thread you'll see I was in the process of writing a paper on vaccines.

Well as I was looking for more information, Alex Jones released the following page with just about all the videos I was using for info:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines/index.html

There's another video by Dr. Tenpenny that's really good and shows that vaccines don't cure anything so if anyone wants that after watching these and aren't convinced I can send it over.

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This one should get your blood boiling, Stewie.  Tell me what you think about the officers in the picture attached to this article...

http://www.wfsb.com/news/14398188/detail.html

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Hmm I didn't know there were any police in that picture....THEY LOOK LIKE THE F'IN MILITARY TO ME!  Oh wait...they have police on the back...because when I'm getting my door kicked in by what I think in the military and I think martial law is upon us...I'm going to take the time to ask them to turn around and let me read their "Police" label on the back.

Good find Bob...almost missed the picture.

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San Diego Police officials say they detained eight undocumented immigrants today after the suspects allegedly stole emergency supplies for evacuees at Qualcomm Stadium. KPBS reporter Amita Sharma has more.

Authorities say evacuees at Qualcomm Stadium told police they noticed a group of people loading supplies onto a truck and driving away. San Diego Police Spokeswoman Monica Munoz says witnesses saw the group return three times to pick up supplies.

Munoz: What they were doing was taking those supplies and selling them so what we did was detain those individuals and spoke to them and they told us they were undocumented and what exactly they were doing so we turned them over to the Border Patrol.

Munoz says four of the eight people taken into custody were released. She said she did not know where the group resold the items, nor to whom.


Let's see... 

  • They're illegal immigrants. 
  • They were caught stealing. 
  • The items they were stealing were emergency supplies. 
  • Those supplies were intended to be used for an ongoing disaster.


Yet they were released?

They should have been released from a tall pole while attached to a short rope.  What is this country coming to?  How can these guys be released when real American citizens are persecuted and locked up for petty crap?

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If you aren't a citizen you are not bound by the laws of this country, DUH!
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We've been releasing illegals because of federal pressure to not offend out neighbors to the south...it's all wrapped up in the NAFTA/CAFTA agreements.  When our economies, roads, and businesses are wrapped up into one nation (aka the North American Union).  The feds have to make people loose hope in securing our boarders.  That way we become so disenfranchised with controlling our boarders when the Pres. announces as NAU we just accept it as old hat.

It's funny, scholars are debating whether or not Iraq is a nation-state because one of the prime criteria for it is whether they can control a steady boarder or not.  Hmm, going by just that one criteria...we aren't even a nation-state.

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By JIM AVILA, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and MARY HARRIS
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Oct. 26, 2007 —

A bouncing YouTube baby has be-bopped his way right into the legal cross-hairs of the pop star Prince, sparking a lawsuit that could test the boundaries of U.S. copyright law.

Holden Lenz, 18 months old, is the pajama-clad star of a 29-second home movie shot by his mother in the family's rural Pennsylvania kitchen and posted last February on the popular video site YouTube.

In the video, the child is seen bouncing and swaying for the camera, as, faintly, the Prince hit "Let's Go Crazy" plays on a CD player in the background.

Twenty eight people, mostly friends and family, had viewed the YouTube video by June, when mom Stephanie Lenz said she received an e-mail from YouTube informing her that her video had been removed from the site at the request of Universal Music Publishing Group, the recording industry's largest label, and warning her that future copyright infringements on her part could force the Web site to cancel her account.

'Frightened, Then Angry'

"All of my [YouTube] videos are home videos, so I thought it was some kind of scam,'' Lenz told ABC News' Law & Justice Unit. When she realized YouTube had actually taken her video down, she said she was shocked.

"At first it frightened me, because I saw who had filed'' the takedown notice, she said.

"It was Universal Music Publishing Group, and I was afraid that ... they might come after me. ... And the more afraid I got, the angrier I got. ... I was afraid that the recording industry might come after me the way they've come after other people for downloading music or file sharing.

"I thought even though I didn't do anything wrong that they might want to file some kind of suit against me, take my house, come after me.

"And I didn't like feeling afraid,'' she continued. "I didn't like feeling that I could get in trouble for something as simple as posting a home video for my friends and family to see."

Lenz filed a "counter-notice" with YouTube, and the Web site put her video back up about six weeks later.

What Constitutes a Ripoff of an Artist's Work?

But Lenz was angry, and she said she wasn't ready to let it go.

She contacted a leading cyber rights legal organization called the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and filed a civil lawsuit against the music publisher, claiming they were abusing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act by sending out reams of what are known in the industry as "take down notices" to Web sites like YouTube, claiming their artists' copyrights had been infringed upon -- when in fact, sometimes they may not have been at all.

Universal Music Publishing Group has filed a motion to dismiss the complaint, a spokesman said.

File-sharing and illegally downloading of music has devastated a once-booming music industry. Some observers say the industry is just trying to protect itself.

"I think the large copyright holders believe that if they do not police every single use of their copyrighted work -- no matter how benign -- that somehow that will open the floodgates to massive piracy,'' said Gigi Sohn of the Washington think-tank Public Knowledge.

"The problem with that is that viewers, Internet users, consumers, have rights under copyright law as well, and one of those rights is the ability to make fair, lawful uses of copyrighted work, for a variety of reasons," she said.

"The 'Let's Go Crazy baby?'" she asked rhetorically. "When you look at the facts, it's obvious that a take down notice should never have been sent. ... I mean, nobody downloads a video from YouTube with a song on it -- particularly 29 seconds of a song and says, 'OK, I don't have to buy the song' -- so clearly this was a type of use that didn't violate copyright."

Source: Prince 'Scours the Internet' Looking for Violations

For it's part, Universal said it was simply acting at the behest of one of its top artists.

"Prince believes it is wrong for YouTube, or any user-generated site, to appropriate his music without his consent,'' the company said in a statement released to ABC News Thursday. "That position has nothing to do with any particular video that uses his songs. It's simply a matter of principle. And legally, he has the right to have his music removed. We support him and this important principle. That is why, over the last few months, we have asked YouTube to remove thousands of different videos that use Prince music without his permission."

A well-placed source directly involved in the situation confirmed to ABC News that Prince was directly involved in seeking the takedown of Lenz's video.

"This guy scours the Internet,'' the source said of the legendary artist, who once changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol and wrote the word "Slave'" on his cheek until he won back the rights to his music from another publishing company.

"He's really intense about this stuff," the source said, adding that Lenz's video "happened to be one of many'' that artist apparently located online and demanded be taken down.

A publicist for Prince directed ABC News to the artist's personal assistant's cell phone. The assistant did not return a call for comment.

The case is part of what some cyber rights advocates says is an alarming trend in aggressive copyright protection that can sometimes go too far. Entire companies have sprung up to troll the Internet and send thousands of take down notices, warning of legal action if videos that could be deemed to violate a copyright are not immediately removed.

"This is the first major case that we've seen where someone like a housewife is being targeted by a major recording company, but we're starting to see more and more of these kinds of abuses,'' said Jason Schultz, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"Because of the way the law is set up, it's very easy for people to send copyright complaints to any Web site and demand that videos come down or music comes down, and a lot of providers can't verify.

"What's going on here is that people like Universal are abusing the copyright law in order to censor, take down videos they frankly don't like, but aren't actually infringing copyright,'' Schultz said.

"They aren't violating copyright law. So here Stephanie Lenz posted a video of her kids dancing,'' Schultz said. "It's just a home video. She wanted her friends and family to see it, and Universal had no right to [have it] take[n] down. And by sending an abusive copyright complaint, they really abused the law.''

Lenz and E.F.F. are seeking unspecified damages from the music company.

"I'd like to see [Universal] say that I wasn't a copyright infringer,'' Lenz said.

By Law, YouTube Honors Takedown Notices -- and Counter-Notices

A YouTube spokesman told ABC News that under the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, hosting platforms like YouTube are legally obligated to take both the original takedown notices and the counter-notices at face-value, and to honor them.

"This litigation doesn't involve us,'' Ricardo Reyes, a spokesman for YouTube said.

"We are what the DMCA call a hosting platform," he said. "We provide a platform for people to post their content and share it. When we're notified that something is infringing, we take that [content] down. To not take it down would put us in violation of the DMCA. What we have to do is take them at face value. What you are saying under penalty of law is saying you are the owner. If you say you are the owner and you're not, you can be sued."

Conversely, Reyes said, "When we're counter notified, we basically have to take the counter notice at face value too. Our responsibility is to abide by the notices or counter notices."

Caught to some extent in the middle of the takedown notice wars, Reyes declined to address the Prince controversy directly, but said YouTube had been down this road before.

He cited the case of a North Carolina school board council candidate, Christopher Knight, who produced a daffy commercial in which he donned a "Star Wars"-like light saber and promised to protect the school district's students from a metaphorical Death Star.

The VH1 cable television show "Best Week Ever," which highlights amusing online content, featured a clip of the video on their show.

Knight "thought that was so cool he put up the VH1 clip up on his channel on YouTube,'' Reyes said. "And VH1 sent us a take down notice." (To view Knight's video, go to YouTube and search "Christopher Knight.")

Lenz, a blogger and fiction writer, said she's sympathetic to the plight of the music industry and its artists.

"I do understand where the record industry is coming from,'' she said. "They should go after people who infringe on their copyrights. Artists and musicians are owed the money for the product that they create, but I didn't take their product. I bought my CD at my local record store and I played it for my kids, and I wasn't trying to make any money or pass it off as anything other than a home movie of my child."

But the legal controversy has changed the way Lenz thinks, she said, every time she picks up her digital camera. "I'm constantly thinking about what's going on in the background, what's on the TV, what's on the CD player, the characters on my kids' clothes, the characters on the toys that they are playing with,'' she said.

"I'm cognizant of what's going on at every step, instead of focusing on my kids, which is where my attention should be."

As for Holden, the toddler has moved on to punk music.

"He loves music,'' his mother said. "He likes all kind of music. At the time [of the video] he liked anything that was funk or anything that was R & B, and Prince fit perfectly in with that.

"I haven't played Prince for him lately,'' she said, laughing. "But he's getting a little bit more into punk now, so I'm trying to turn him on to Nirvana."


Why is Prince so concerned about piracy?  Didn't he give away a bajillion copies of his CD in some British newspaper?

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I just heard that Paul Tibbets, pilot of the Enola Gay, passed away this morning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tibbets

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I never got to meet Mr. Tibbets but I did get to meet Fred Olivi...he was the co-pilot for the Bockscar and he was very interesting to listen to and was a great person to meet.

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This cracked me up

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Bahahaha, that's awesome, Stewie!

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Like your mom.



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Huh?

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Further proof that Rudy is a robot...also how NOT to spin what the robot says to people who are still unsure if he should be elected...enjoy!

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GOP presidential frontrunner Rudolph Giuliani stumbled badly at a town hall meeting in Iowa last night when an audience member baffled him with a trick question about 9/12.

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Mr. Giuliani, who has made references to 9/11 the foundation of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, was "like a deer in the headlights" when the surprise question about 9/12 came his way, observers said.

The former New York mayor had been cruising through the town hall meeting up to that point, answering a wide range of questions about immigration, the economy, and global warming, all by referring to 9/11.

But the tone of the event changed abruptly when one audience member, Tracy Klujian of Cedar Rapids, asked the GOP frontrunner, "Can you name one thing that happened on September 12?"

Mr. Giuliani seemed taken aback by the question, clearing his throat and drinking from a glass of water as if to buy time before responding.

"That's a good question," Mr. Giuliani said. "September 12 happened one day after September 11 -- and we must never forget the lessons of September 11."

Mr. Giuliani's aides later said that their candidate had expertly parried a difficult question, but also offered excuses for Mr. Giuliani's apparent failure to refer to any other date besides September 11.

"The man has a lot of dates to keep track of," one aide told reporters. "For one thing, he's had three different wedding anniversaries."

Elsewhere, President Bush eulogized Washoe, the chimp who had a 250-word vocabulary, issuing this official statement: "Me miss Washoe. Me sad Washoe dead."


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Wow, the Ron Paul fund-raising campaign is going into overdrive.  The American media is claiming that Ron Paul's campaign consists of five supporters that spam every web poll a million times each, but I didn't realize bots had funds?

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/nov_5_extended_total.html

Looks like a lot of people are drinking that crazy constitutional Kool-Aid!  During today's fund-raising drive, people have donated an average of $225,000 an hour since 8:00am EST.

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What an incredible day to be a supporter of Ron Paul!

You have raised over $2 million so far today, putting us closer to our $12 million fourth quarter goal. This is more than any Republican has ever raised online in one day!

So far in 2008, the biggest day belongs to Mitt Romney. On January 8th, he raised just over $3.1 million. Will you help us beat Mitt Romney and raise more in one day than anyone has this year?

Please ensure Ron Paul's place in the record books with your most generous donation: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate. Tell your friends to donate today, too!

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Senator John Kerry currently holds the record for single-day Internet fund-raising when he raised $3 million for his campaign in 2004, as reported by the NY Times. (Kerry also holds the non-internet fundraising one-day record, raising $5.6 million on July 29, 2004, during the Democratic nomination convention—but this was after the primaries.)


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Only $94,000+/- away from the 6 million mark as of 6:30!!!

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Wow, $4.1 million from 35,000 donations.  That's pretty impressive.

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This is a pretty good story about how traffic cams are bad and wrong at times...although I don't agree with the fact that so much emphasis is placed on whether the city's police dept. makes a profit from tickets and whatnot.  Hey I'd rather have the moron who goes 30 over the speed limit paying for a murder trial than me completely.

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Part One of a two-part editorial by Richard Diamond detailing problems of fairness and accuracy that come with reliance upon photo enforcement.

Roads have eyesView full article on a single page

Your days of being pulled over for speeding are numbered. That would be great news, except in an increasing number of states the flashing red and blue lights in your rear-view mirror are being replaced by the photographic flash of traffic cameras -- we'll call them automated ticketing machines, or ATMs. Sadly, these particular contraptions are the opposite of the familiar money-dispensing machines found outside our local banks. Instead, these devices take our money, and dispense it in massive bundles to voracious local governments.

The cameras come in two formats: red light cameras and speed cameras. Both types capture still photos or video clips of cars in motion -- cars that have somehow triggered, either rightly or wrongly, a virtual trip wire that says, in effect, "We just caught you breaking the law." The companies that operate the cameras on behalf of various jurisdictions later mail out the photos they've captured to the cars' registered owners, along with hefty fines for violating a state law or municipal ordinance. Speed cameras use radar, laser, or pavement-mounted sensors to create an estimate of speed. Red light cameras use a similar array of sensors to determine whether a car entered an intersection as little as a tenth of a second after the light has turned red.

If traffic cameras haven't yet come to your town, don't get too comfortable, because local governments are becoming increasingly interested in recruiting the obedient robot tax collectors. And collect they do. In Illinois, for example, roving vans park on the side of the road to facilitate the mailing of citations -- carrying fines of up to $1,000, plus insurance points -- to anyone driving a few miles-per-hour above the 45 MPH speed limit in a highway work zone. (And let's not even question the fairness of special "work zone" fines, except to point out that only about 15 percent of work zone fatalities are actually caused by automobile traffic.)

Following the lead of Illinois, Arizona will soon deploy permanently mounted speed cameras on freeways throughout the state. In just nine months last year, a pilot program in Scottsdale, AZ mailed out 120,000 speeding tickets with a face value of nearly $19 million. In other words, traffic cameras are serious business, generating more than a billion dollars every year for local governments and the insurance industry. While the cameras certainly cramp the styles of driving enthusiasts, a closer look at their implementation reveals that they also make our roads more dangerous and our legal system less fair.

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When jurisdictions first decide to begin photo ticketing, officials uniformly swear by the uncanny accuracy and fairness of the traffic cameras. If you're doing nothing wrong, they say, you need not fear our machines. But if you think that anyone who doesn't speed on public roads or run red lights has nothing to fear, think again. Consider the case of Don Zimmerman, a Minneapolis, MN resident with a spotless driving record.

Stopped at a red light in August 2005, Zimmerman prepared to make a left-hand turn from a one-way street onto another one-way street. He inched his car slightly forward and allowed his front tires to cross the first line of the crosswalk. The light turned green, and Zimmerman slowly turned his Ford Focus around the corner. A series of flashes illuminated his rear-view mirror.

Six weeks later, Zimmerman opened his mailbox to find a $142 ticket for running the red light.

The ticket shocked Zimmerman, so he went online to check a video recording of the incident -- and saw that it proved nothing. So he took the next day off from work, paid $20 to store his car in a downtown garage (using a short-term metered spot would have guaranteed a parking ticket), and waited at city hall. Three-and-a-half hours later, a hearing officer looked at the video and agreed that Zimmerman was innocent. The officer then apologized because he actually had no authority to drop the fine. Zimmerman would have to go to court for that.

Exasperated, Zimmerman decided he wasn't about to pay another $20 and wait in line all over again. So instead of following instructions, he called a local television news reporter who threatened to televise Zimmerman's court hearing. The local police captain moved swiftly to dismiss the citation.

Zimmerman's story exposes one of the most significant problems arising from the use of machines to enforce traffic laws: Machines are incapable of fairness (let alone basic judgment), and they can't be cross-examined. This bothersome reality conflicts with the common-law principle of due process, and so our legal system must adapt to the concept of an unthinking device being the sole witnesses of a victimless crime. Most states -- with the exception of California, Arizona and Illinois -- side-step the issue by defining photo enforcement violations as "civil infractions" instead of "crimes." Civil infractions were institutionalized as a way to collect parking ticket revenue (now its own multi-billion dollar business) while eliminating the pesky, old-fashioned concept of "innocent until proven guilty."

The few states that maintain the criminal court system for photo tickets do so at a heavy cost: Overburdened courts get plagued with even more dockets (with taxpayers shouldering the bill), and drivers suffer higher insurance premiums for simply receiving camera citations -- the drivers' actual guilt or innocence notwithstanding.

Camera supporters like to trumpet the point that even if a camera does make a mistake, it's no big deal because the driver has the right to a fair hearing where the ticket can be challenged. That's due process enough, they say. After all, it's not like mistaken tickets are a regular occurrence.

Unless you're Don Zimmerman.Don Zimmerman

In December 2005, Zimmerman opened his mailbox and found another ticket for allegedly running a red light. Once again he checked the online video, which clearly revealed that it was the driver in an adjacent lane who tripped the sensor. Zimmerman bypassed his "fair hearing" and went straight to KARE television reporter Bernie Grace. In an interview with Grace, Minneapolis Police Captain Greg Reinhardt insisted that a police officer reviews every video to ensure only the guilty receive a ticket.

Zimmerman scoffed at the notion. "Either he has cataracts in his eyes," Zimmerman told us, "or he's reading the camera in Braille or something. There's no way anyone viewed that video."

The Minnesota camera enforcement program, like most of its type, takes advantage of those who don't want to go to the trouble and expense of issuing a challenge that can end up costing as much as the ticket itself. For all but a handful of drivers, it's much easier to write the check and be done with it.

Safety First?
Camera supporters argue that while their brainless sentries might make occasional mistakes, they're still worthwhile if they save just a single human life. With speed cameras, for example, the conventional wisdom is that drivers will see the cameras, and slow down to avoid being ticketed. Slower is safer, after all. With red light cameras, the assumption is that drivers fearing a ticket will decide not to gun it through an intersection, potentially T-boning a car headed the other way. Those who do receive tickets learn a valuable lesson, and share their cautionary tales with other drivers. There can be no better way of educating the public about safe driving.

Indeed, a number of studies funded by the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety (IIHS) claim fantastic reductions in the number of violations and accidents in areas where cameras are introduced. But these safety claims merit a closer look -- especially when you consider that the IIHS is wholly funded by the nation's top insurance firms, and the insurance industry makes billions from license points issued with traffic citations.

The first thing worth noting is that a high percentage of traffic camera tickets actually go to out-of-towners. A 2006 study of speed camera tickets issued Washington, D.C. indicated that about 80 percent of the citations went to non-District residents. (To date, the District has mailed out 2,952,333 photo fines -- the equivalent of five for each resident.) In Loma Linda, CA, 93 percent of the violations recorded last year were issued to drivers who were passing through the city. These numbers are relevant because negative-reinforcement therapy applied to out-of-towners does little to increase the safety consciousness of local residents.

This very issue was raised by Jim Bizieff, a police lieutenant in Union City, CA, which runs a red-light camera program. In an internal memo to his police chief, he discussed the experience of the neighboring city of Fremont, which had a camera program of its own. Bizieff wrote, "They believe that due to the huge volume of commuter traffic, that most violators are not local and the education/enforcement effort does not create a long-term reduction in violations for that reason." (View full memo in 260k PDF file)

Bizieff's memo documents another interesting fact: In Union City, the profit from each $361 red-light citation is split between the state, Union City, and Redflex, the Australian company that sets up the cameras, photographs drivers, mails the tickets, collects the cash, and, in many cases, offers the testimony in hearings. Redflex promised Union City that its system would generate about 1,897 photos each month. Sure enough, the first month's numbers were just about right on the money, with $547,560 worth of tickets mailed. (This dollar amounts represents about 1,500 tickets. The Union City cameras actually photographed more cars, but some photos were thrown out because they lacked clarity, or showed police cars or ambulances tripping the camera.)

Then something interesting happened. At one of the camera intersections (Union City Boulevard and Lowry Road), the number of citations plunged from 309 in September to 80 in December. Such a quick 58 percent drop in the number of violations would seem to indicate that the cameras were working as promised. Or was something else going on?

"The initial projections, as well as the first few weeks of operation, were based on faulty yellow light timings," Bizieff's memo explains. "October 2005 was the first full month with the system operating with the correct yellow light timings. There is an obvious drop-off in incidents and citations from August to October."

To put Bizieff's memo in perspective, it's important to know that the duration of a yellow light has a profound effect on safety. Imagine what would happen if you were approaching an intersection, and the light flashed yellow for just a half-second before changing to red. If you were far enough back when the yellow flashed, you would have no problem stopping. But picture yourself closer to the crosswalk when the light flashes yellow. You're now faced with a split-second decision -- either run the red light or slam on the brakes and risk a rear-end collision.

Engineers use the term "dilemma zone" to describe the moment of confusion created by inadequate yellow warning times. Stuck in the dilemma zone, many motorists choose to run the imminent red light as the lesser of two evils.

Given the obvious importance of proper yellow light timing, you might assume Union City fixed its timing problem willingly. You'd be wrong. Dave Goodson, a motorist with an engineering background, performed a number of measurements and calculations after receiving a ticket at Union City Boulevard and Lowry Road. His case forced Union City's traffic engineers to concede that they had set the yellow signal time 1.3 seconds too short. The timings weren't faulty, they were illegal.

They were also profitable.


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You don't seriously think the police department should be used as a revenue source, do you?

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Not if that it's soul purpose...and the law agrees with me there.  Recently I read a judge doing away with traffic cams (I think in MA or around there) because it didn't provide "safety or protection primarily" but was just a source of revenue gain.  However, I think taking people's money is a proper punishment for small crimes and whatnot, and I think that money should go back into the criminal justice system or funding to keep people out of it.

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Ironman, please don't try to confuse the author with all that statistical hoohaw.

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OMG, Pat Robertson just endorsed Rudy Giuliani!  What is this world coming to?  Rudy is pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and anti-gun.  How can Pat Robertson endorse a man for president that stands for everything he claims to despise?

Many years ago, I had some modicum of respect for Robertson.  He's obviously gone over the deep end over the past decade.  Between his 9/11 comments and calling for hit on Chavez, I think he's completely lost his mind.

It seems quite obvious to me that social conservatives have thrown in the towel.  This is the last straw for me.  If Rudy gets the Republican nomination because people in this country have thrown their morals and values away, I will vote for a third party or write in my candidate of choice.  Screw Rudy and screw Robertson.  Rant over.


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You mean anti-gun.  He might pay a visit to the NRA but he sure doesn't believe in what they do.

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You're right, I fixed it.  I meant to say anti-gun.

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I found this on Engadget today...

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Regardless of what those oh-so-knowledgeable analysts had to say, we all knew this day was coming. Yep, that highly-touted, totally "impenetrable" copy protection technology known as BD+ has officially been brought to its knees, and it's not at all surprising to hear that we have SlySoft to thank. The AnyDVD 6.1.9.6 beta has quite a comical change log too, and aside from noting that users now have the ability to backup their BD+ movies and watch titles sans the need for HDCP-compliant equipment, it also includes a candid note to Twentieth Century Fox informing the studio that its prior assumptions about BD+'s effectiveness were apparently incorrect.


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AT&T gave feds access to all Web, phone traffic, ex-tech says

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WASHINGTON — His first inkling that something was amiss came in summer 2002, when he opened the door to admit a visitor from the National Security Agency (NSA) to an AT&T office in San Francisco.

"What the heck is the NSA doing here?" Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician, said he asked himself.

A year or so later, he stumbled upon documents that, he said, show the agency gained access to massive amounts of e-mail, Web search and other Internet records of more than a dozen global and regional telecom providers. AT&T allowed the agency to hook into its network and, according to Klein, many of the other telecom companies probably knew nothing about it.

Klein will be on Capitol Hill today to share his story in the hope it will persuade Congress not to grant legal immunity to telecommunications firms that helped the government in its warrantless anti-terrorism efforts.

Klein, 62, said he may be the only person in a position to discuss firsthand knowledge of an important aspect of the Bush administration's domestic surveillance. He is retired, so he isn't worried about losing his job. He carried no security clearance, and the documents in his possession were not classified, he said. He has no qualms about "turning in," as he put it, the company where he worked for 22 years until he retired in 2004.

"If they've done something massively illegal and unconstitutional — well, they should suffer the consequences," Klein said.

In an interview this week, he alleged that the NSA set up a system that vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the help of AT&T and without obtaining a court order. Contrary to the government's depiction of its surveillance program as aimed at overseas terrorists, Klein said, much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic. Klein said he thinks the NSA was analyzing the records for usage patterns and for content.

He said the NSA built a special room in San Francisco to receive data streamed through an AT&T Internet room containing "peering links," or major connections to other telecom providers. Other so-called secret rooms reportedly were constructed at AT&T sites in Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego and San Jose, Calif.

Klein's documents and his account form the basis of one of the first lawsuits filed against the telecom companies after the government's warrantless-surveillance program was disclosed by The New York Times in December 2005.

Claudia Jones, an AT&T spokeswoman, said she had no comment on Klein's allegations. "AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers' privacy. We do not comment on matters of national security," she said.

The NSA and the White House also declined to comment.

Klein is urging Congress not to block Hepting v. AT&T, a class-action suit pending in federal court in San Francisco, and 37 other lawsuits charging carriers with illegally collaborating with the NSA program. He and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed Hepting v. AT&T in 2006, are urging key lawmakers to oppose a pending White House-endorsed immunity provision that effectively would wipe out the lawsuits. The Senate Judiciary Committee is expected to take up the measure today.

In summer 2002, Klein was working in an office responsible for Internet equipment when an NSA representative arrived to interview a management-level technician for a special, secret job.

The job entailed building a "secret room" in another AT&T office 10 blocks away, he said. By coincidence, in October 2003, Klein was transferred to that office. He asked a technician about the secret room on the sixth floor, and the technician told him it was connected to the Internet room a floor above. The technician handed him wiring diagrams.

"That was my 'aha' moment," Klein said. "They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."

The diagram showed splitters glass prisms that split signals from each network into two identical copies. One copy fed into the secret room. The other proceeded to its destination, he said.

"This splitter was sweeping up everything, vacuum-cleaner-style," he said. "The NSA is getting everything. These are major pipes that carry not just AT&T's customers but everybody's."

One of Klein's documents listed links to 16 entities, including Global Crossing, a large provider of voice and data services in the United States and abroad; UUNet, a large Internet provider now owned by Verizon; Level 3 Communications, which provides local, long-distance and data transmission in the United States and overseas; and more familiar names, such as Sprint and Qwest. It also included data exchanges MAE-West and PAIX, or Palo Alto Internet Exchange, facilities where telecom carriers hand off Internet traffic to each other.

"I flipped out," he said. "They're copying the whole Internet. There's no selection going on here. Maybe they select out later, but at the point of handoff to the government, they get everything."

Qwest has not been sued because of media reports last year that said the company declined to participate in an NSA program to build a database of domestic phone-call records out of concern that it may have been illegal. What the documents show, Klein said, is that the NSA apparently was collecting several carriers' communications, probably without their consent.

Another document showed that the NSA installed in the room a Narus semantic traffic analyzer, which Klein said indicated the NSA was doing content analysis.

Steve Bannerman, Narus' marketing vice president, said the NarusInsight system can track a communication's origin and destination, as well as its content. He declined to comment on AT&T's use of the system.

Klein said he went public after President Bush defended the NSA's surveillance program as limited to collecting phone calls between suspected terrorists overseas and people in the United States. Klein said the documents show that the scope was much broader.


It's nice to see that Carnivore is alive and well with the complicity of nearly every major telecommunications company in America and nobody even cares.

As long as it stops one terrorist, everything is peachy, right?

That's alright, there is always PGP if you want "The Man" to work for it.

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The US supreme court will today consider gun control in a private session that could soon explode publicly.

Behind closed doors, the high court's nine judges will consider taking a case that challenges Washington DC's handgun ban. Their decision will shape how far other US cities and states can go with their own gun restrictions.

"If the court decides to take this up, it's very likely it will end up being the most important second amendment case in history," said Dennis Henigan, the legal director for the Brady Campaign to prevent gun violence.

Mr Henigan predicted "it's more likely than not" that the necessary four judges will vote to consider the case. The court will announce its decision on Tuesday, and oral arguments could be heard next year.

Lawyers already are swarming from every angle
Texas, Florida and 11 other states weighed in earlier on behalf of gun owners who are challenging the District of Columbia's strict gun laws. New York and three other states want the restrictions upheld.

Tom Palmer, one of six plaintiffs named in the original lawsuit challenging the Washington, DC ban, considers the case a matter of life and death. An openly gay scholar in international relations at the rightwing Cato Institute, he thinks that a handgun saved him years ago in San Jose, California, when a gang threatened him.
"A group of young men started yelling at us, 'faggot', 'homo', 'queer', 'we're going to kill you' and 'they'll never find your bodies'," Mr Palmer said in a March 2003 declaration.

"Fortunately, I was able to pull my handgun out of my backpack, and our assailants backed off."
Their broader challenge is to the fundamental meaning of the second amendment to the US constitution. Here, commas, clauses and constitutional history all matter.
The full text of the second amendment says, "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Gun-control supporters say this means that the government can limit firearms ownership as part of its power to regulate the militia. Gun ownership is cast as a collective right, with the government organising armed citizens to protect homeland security.
"The second amendment permits reasonable regulation of firearms to protect public safety and does not guarantee individuals the absolute right to own the weapons of their choice," New York and the three other states declared in court papers.

Gun control critics contend that the well-regulated militia business is beside the point, and say the constitution protects an individual's right to possess guns.
"The right to keep and bear arms should be understood in light of the many reasons that the founding generation of Americans valued that right, including hunting and self-defence," Texas, Florida and the 11 other states declared in a competing brief.
Last March, a divided appellate court panel sided with the individual-rights interpretation and threw out the US capital's handgun ban.

"The right to keep and bear arms was not created by the government, but rather preserved by it," said Judge Laurence Silberman. "The amendment does not protect the right of militiamen to keep and bear arms, but rather the right of the people."
The ruling clashed with other courts, creating the kind of split that the supreme court resolves. The Silberman ruling obviously stung District of Columbia officials, but it perplexed gun-control supporters.

If District of Columbia officials tried to salvage their gun-control law by appealing to the supreme court - as they then did - they could give the court's conservative majority a chance to undermine guncontrol laws across the US.


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Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC effectively eliminate the right to contest parking tickets.

DC DMV logoIn an attempt to stem the loss of revenue from motorists contesting parking tickets, cities are effectively eliminating the traditional due process rights of motorists to defend themselves at an impartial hearing. By the end of next year, Washington, DC's Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) will not allow anyone who believes he unfairly received a citation to have his day in an administrative hearing.

"DMV will complete the phase-out of in-person adjudication of parking tickets in favor of mail-in and e-mail adjudication by December 2008," the Fiscal Year 2008 DMV plan states.

The move is intended to allow automated street sweeper parking ticket machines to boost the number of infractions cited well beyond the 1.6 million currently handed out by meter maids. As one-third of those who contest citations in the city are successful, the hearings cut significantly into the $100 million in revenue tickets generate each year.

Under the DMV's plan, motorists will only be able to object to a ticket by email or letter where city employees can ignore or reject letters in bulk without affected motorists having any realistic recourse. That's not good enough for residents like Emily Miller, who told us that being able to present her case in person was essential. The Sunday school teacher was found not guilty at an administrative DMV hearing in June of driving with an open container of coffee. She was so thrilled with her victory that she decided to fight a parking ticket issued to her in a location where the parking signs were contradictory.

Motorists in many cities besides DC complain about unfair citations. So far, Baltimore, Maryland's Inspector General has uncovered 10,000 bogus parking tickets issued to innocent motorists. In Boston and other cities in Massachusetts, motorists cannot challenge a $100 parking ticket in court without first paying a $275 court fee. If found innocent, the motorist does not receive a refund of the $275.


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If you ask me, this should be covered under the heading of "Taxation without Representation."  We all know that parking tickets are just another form of tax to generate revenue for those cities.

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I know how I will resolve my parking ticket problem, murder!

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and pass out flowers to everyone, that makes world peace!
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Here's a follow up to Robertson's endorsement of Rudy:

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Rudy Would Usher in Biblical ‘End Days,’ Evangelist Says

One day after endorsing former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani for president, televangelist Pat Robertson explained his decision, saying that a Giuliani presidency features prominently in the Book of Revelation.

In his endorsement announcement the day before, Rev. Robertson had made reference to Mr. Giuliani’s tenure as “America’s Mayor,” but did not indicate that the Republican frontrunner was a key player in the Bible’s most apocalyptic book.

In his statement today, however, the televangelist made it clear that “in order for the Second Coming to occur, the world needs to end, and Rudy Giuliani is just the man for that job.”

Rev. Robertson said that he was “confident” that within weeks of his inauguration, Mr. Giuliani would usher in the “end days” that are a staple of Bible prophecy.

In praising Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Robertson had critical words for the current resident of the White House, President George W. Bush: “President Bush got us on the road to Armageddon, but it’s taking too darn long -- Rudy Giuliani will put us in the express lane.”

While the Giuliani camp initially welcomed the endorsement of the influential evangelist, the former New York mayor seemed less enthusiastic today about being identified as one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

When asked by a reporter in Iowa about Mr. Robertson’s comments today, Mr. Giuliani replied, “9/11.”

Elsewhere, former Beatle Paul McCartney confirmed that he is dating a Metropolitan Transportation Authority board member, explaining, “Since my divorce from Heather, I’ve had to start taking the subway.”


Come on now, Pat.  This isn't the proper attitude.  We're not suppose to try and usher in that day because our job is to win souls and let God do His own Will.  This just gives another bad image of Christianity.  Just shut up, Pat...please.

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Come on...if I tell people the articles that are obviously fake that I post how is that fun?  I did it on the last one and no one got as much of a kick out of it that I did.

I like the other one better...but this was still funny.  Also...couldn't you see it happening?

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Ok, now for a true story...unfortunately:

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By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer 44 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A top intelligence official says it is time people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, a deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people's private communications and financial information.

Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act.

Lawmakers hastily changed the 1978 law last summer to allow the government to eavesdrop inside the United States without court permission, so long as one end of the conversation was reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S.

The original law required a court order for any surveillance conducted on U.S. soil, to protect Americans' privacy. The White House argued that the law was obstructing intelligence gathering.

The most contentious issue in the new legislation is whether to shield telecommunications companies from civil lawsuits for allegedly giving the government access to people's private e-mails and phone calls without a court order between 2001 and 2007.

Some lawmakers, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, appear reluctant to grant immunity. Suits might be the only way to determine how far the government has burrowed into people's privacy without court permission.

The committee is expected to decide this week whether its version of the bill will protect telecommunications companies.

The central witness in a California lawsuit against AT&T says the government is vacuuming up billions of e-mails and phone calls as they pass through an AT&T switching station in San Francisco.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T technician, helped connect a device in 2003 that he says diverted and copied onto a government supercomputer every call, e-mail, and Internet site access on AT&T lines.


So we have finally become completely dependent on the govt.  Privacy is now the doublespeak we all saw coming.  Ignorance is freedom.

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If there is any doubt that the top priority of municipal justice courts is to raise revenue for cities through fines, or that local police are pressured to write tickets, former Sandy police Sgt. David W. Lundberg offers his experience.
He cites a "pay for performance" system that rewards traffic cops on the basis of how many tickets they write. And the conviction rate in municipal justice courts is about 98 percent.

Lundberg says the incentive program is disguised as "accident prevention," but the reality forces cops to find the best "fishing hole" to get the most speeding tickets in the least amount of time. Lundberg says that rather than focusing on violations that statistically cause more accidents, police are under pressure to write tickets that are easiest. Sandy police spokesman Sgt. Victor Quezada disputes Lundberg's assessment, stating that, while all officers have stated goals and objectives, there is no ticket quota they must meet to attain raises or bonuses.

"Nobody has ever been fired or demoted for not writing enough tickets," he said.


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Some good news for a fellow-in-arms:

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Bogdan Mohora called his experience "frightening and humiliating."

An amateur photographer who was taken into custody last year after shooting pictures of two Seattle police officers making an arrest on a public street received an $8,000 settlement this week, the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington announced Thursday.

The photographer, Bogdan Mohora, later was released and was never charged with a crime. The two officers who arrested him were disciplined, according to police.

During a news conference Thursday, Mohora, 26, said he was walking on Pike Street near Second Avenue on Nov. 2 when he saw two Seattle police officers arresting a man.

Mohora said he snapped a few shots of the arrest from a distance of more than 10 feet and was walking away when he was approached by a female friend of the man being arrested.

Mohora said the woman told him she believed the arrest of her friend was wrong, and that he was being arrested on a warrant that had been quashed. She asked Mohora about obtaining copies of the photos, he said.

Two officers, James Pitts and David Toner, then ordered Mohora to hand over his camera, according to ACLU staff attorney Aaron Caplan, who handled the case. Mohora said that when he asked what he had done wrong, the officers handcuffed him and took his camera, wallet and satchel. They then drove him to a holding cell at the Seattle Police Department's West Precinct, Mohora said.

When he was released about an hour later, he said, he was told that he could be charged with disturbing the peace, provoking a riot or endangering a police officer.

Mohora was not charged and, in violation of department policy, police did not write up an incident report on the arrest, according to ACLU Legal Director Sarah Dunne.

"Being arrested for simply being a witness to police activity was frightening and humiliating," Mohora wrote in a claim he later filed against the city. "It bothers me to think that police can abuse their authority by arresting innocent witnesses and then not even make standard police reports to document what happened."

After the ACLU intervened on Mohora's behalf, the city's claim department agreed to pay Mohora $8,000.

The ACLU said the police Office of Public Accountability investigated the officers' actions and sustained the complaint, finding the officers acted inappropriately. Seattle Police Department spokeswoman Deanna Nollette said both officers were disciplined with written reprimands for a lack of professionalism and poor exercise of discretion.

City Attorney Tom Carr said he couldn't comment on the settlement because the claim was handled by the city's risk-management department.

Caplan said the public has a right to observe and document police activity that occurs in a public location.


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It's about time they got that wrapped up.  He should have held out for an even $10k.

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Go against the govt's offical story?  That's a terrorism.

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9/11 Blogger | November 13, 2007

On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, a House Homeland Security Subcommittee
had a hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet".* The hearing featured
presentations from several groups, including a former employee of the
RAND Corporation, and Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking
Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth , and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention .

Now, we wouldn't want anybody getting the wrong idea here. Here at 911blogger we are opposed to any and all terrorist activities, including STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM . Don't really care who the state is either. It's all bad.

Californians, if Harman is your representative , please set her straight. Washington state, if Reichert is your critter , don't let him absorb this crap with no static .

CSPAN has been more than fair to 9/11 skeptics. Last year they broadcast Alex Jones' American Scholars Symposium , in 2005, they broadcast David Ray Griffin , and they will probably listen to feedback regarding this broadcast.

View the hearing as a video stream here -- the pertinent section begins at the 43:31 mark, but I recommend watching the entire program, because there is so much disinformation in the broadcast itself, it's hard to know where to begin unraveling it.

Homeland Security - Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_...

Please ask the Simon Wiesthenthal Center (Mark Weitzman in particular) to stop conflating terrorist violence with 9/11 truth, and even though he has not extended the courtesy to us, be polite;


Dissension is phun!

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Wow, that's pretty crazy.  Considering it came from the Wiesenthal Center, though, it's not incredibly surprising.

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I know we might have difference in opinion about vaccines...however, does anyone think this is right?  Or Constitutional?

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Pr. George's Threatens Legal Action

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The parents of more than 2,300 Prince George's County students who failed to get needed vaccinations could face fines of $50 a day and up to 10 days in jail if their children do not meet the state's immunization requirements, county officials said yesterday.

The threat of legal action is a last resort after months in which Prince George's has struggled to get its 131,000 students immunized for chicken pox and hepatitis B, as mandated by the state. More than 2,300 students have not been immunized and have been barred from attending schools, almost two months after a Sept. 20 deadline for meeting the requirement.

"The goal is to get kids in school," State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said. (By Gerald Martineau -- The Washington Post)
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"We can do this the easy way or the hard way, but it's got to get done," Prince George's State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey (D) said at a news conference in Upper Marlboro. "I'm willing to move forward with legal action."

School officials have made calls, sent letters and conducted home visits to make arrangements for free appointments for the needed shots. But often the students' addresses and phone numbers have been outdated, making contacting them difficult. Other students have received the vaccines but failed to get the necessary booster shots.

The school system turned to the justice system as a final option and received the backing of Circuit Judge William D. Missouri, the county's administrative judge, and Circuit Judge C. Philip Nichols Jr., who handles juvenile matters.

"This is an educational crisis," said R. Owen Johnson Jr., chairman of the school board. "This is a public health and a children's rights issue."

Nichols and Ivey sent another round of letters to the families still out of compliance. Nichols's letter ordered the parents to show up at Prince George's Circuit Court for a court hearing and a free vaccine; Ivey's letter warned that "unexcused absences by your child may subject you to a criminal charge."

They expect almost 1,700 children to show up Saturday with their parents for the first in a series of Circuit Court hearings on the matter. School officials said the parents would receive a verbal reprimand from the judge and be ordered to have their children immunized in the courthouse. The students would then be allowed to return to school.

Parents who do not appear could face fines of $50 for each day they fail to get their children immunized after being charged. They also could serve up to 10 days in jail. Ivey said he hoped charging parents would not be necessary.
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"The goal is to get kids in school, not to put parents in jail," Ivey said.

Missouri said he looked forward to talking to the parents who had not gotten their children immunized, to understand why.

"I'd like to know exactly what the reasons are because the reasons may be able to be addressed without ratcheting it up to this point," he said.

Schools officials said they were sorry the crisis had gone this far, but that it needed to be solved immediately.

"This has really, really been a difficult time for us," said Betty Despenza-Green, the school system's chief of student services. "It hurts us when any child is out of school because he needs to be immunized, and so we felt we needed to be creative. We need those students immunized. We need them in schools."


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No one is safe from the tyranny of bad police...not even Canada.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/8080.html

WARNING!!!: This video shows the end of a man's life!

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Great police work, 4 cops to 1 guy who looks fed up, tired, and a little pissed at the shitty treatment at the airport (I hear that).

You know what we should teach our officers, if there are fucking 4 of you and you know he doesn't have a weapon (airport), don't be lazy and wrestle his ass to the ground.

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That's exactly my sentiment as well, Spanky.

Tasers are classified as LESS lethal weapons, not non-lethal weapons.

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Just like my...


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That's complete crap.  I hope those officers get a taste of their own medicine.

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In these uncertain times, it’s nice to know we can rely on some things. The sun will always rise and set. Gravity will always hold us down. And Cambridge will always be liberal to a fault.

During last week’s elections, a troop of Boy Scouts set up donation boxes at polling places to raise money for the troops in Iraq. In typical Cambridge fashion, the city removed the boxes and the Boy Scouts because they may have had a “pro-war” bent.

Marsha Weinerman, executive director of the city’s Election Commission, said the boxes were removed after a resident complained to commission workers about their implied “pro-war” message.

“We contacted the law department, and it was determined that the best course of action would be to remove the boxes,” Weinerman said.

Way to stand up to those preteen hawks, Cambridge.

The Secretary of State told the Cambridge Chronicle that most of the Scouts’ booths were legal.

Weinerman cited a law that prohibits political messages near any polling station in an election. But state law prohibits political messages pertaining to a particular election within 150 feet of any polling station, according to a spokesperson for Secretary of State William Galvin’s office. There is no law stopping someone from promoting an unrelated political message within 150 feet of any polling place.

This is how the idea that those who are against the war are also somehow against the troops gets started. Good for you, Cambridge. You’ve managed to teach a group of kids that ideology trumps empathy every time.


It's a good thing they took care of those good-for-nothing Boy Scouts!  I swear, they're always up to no good, selling their popcorn and wearing their fancy schmancy badges...

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City going after Ron Paul signs
Because they're too large not to mention too early
By BERNARDSCHOENBURG
POLITICAL WRITER

Published Thursday, November 15, 2007

The city of Springfield is trying to get some signs for presidential candidate Ron Paul taken down because they apparently are larger than zoning allows.

Letters dated Oct. 25 were sent from the building and zoning department to owners of property at 2115 S. Fifth St. and 1211 S. Sixth St., saying that "banners and stakes" there exceeded the square footage allowed. The property owners were asked to contact the city within 10 days.

Follow-up letters dated Tuesday said no contact had been made, so the matter was referred to the city's legal office for further action.

One property owner said Wednesday that he had taken down a banner after getting the first letter but that if the city tells him to take down a wooden sign remaining in front of his home, he won't do it.

"Putting signs in your yard is as old as the election process itself," said Calvin Mabus, 49, who lives at the South Fifth Street address. "What's more important - preserving our national sovereignty or worrying about a stupid little sign?"

Included on the sign, which is about 16 feet square, are the words "Save our Constitution," "freedom," "liberty," "President '08" and "RonPaul2008.com."

A couple of smaller printed Ron Paul signs also are displayed at Mabus' single-family residence.

Zoning for such homes allows temporary signs no more than 12 square feet. The city allows only temporary signs advocating a candidate to be in place within 60 days of an election, which will be Dec. 7 for Feb. 5 primary.

Joe Gooden, the city's zoning administrator, said the size instead of the timing of the signs was made an issue in the notices because, with the hearing process, if a property owner fought to keep a sign up, the case probably wouldn't be resolved until the allowed period.

A sign the size of a small billboard is outside commercial property at the Sixth Street address, and owner Garret Jordan said he had just received copies of both letters Wednesday afternoon. Gooden said allowable temporary signs at such commercial property cannot exceed 50 square feet combined.

Jordan said he planned to check with the city to see what his options are.

The large hand-painted wooden sign on Jordan's property represents an American flag, asks people to "Wake Up" and says the nation's founders warned people about things including "disregarding the Constitution," "not preserving sovereignty," "private central banking" and "foreign entanglements."

"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance," it says.

Jordan also said that while banners attached to the bottom of the sign, including one urging a vote for Paul, could be considered campaign material, he doesn't consider the large wooden structure in that category.

"It's no different than 'Don't drink and drive,'" he said. "It's a message. It's not a campaign sign."

Jordan, 49, said he considers himself a Democrat but has been apathetic about recent presidential races.

"The last time I voted for a president, I voted for Ross Perot twice," he said. "I did vote for Ronald Reagan, who was the last true conservative."

He said the main reason he's for Paul, a Texas congressman considered a long shot for the Republican nomination, is that Paul wants to bring troops home from Iraq and shrink the federal government.

"He wants to have a strong national defense, not a strong national offense," Jordan said, adding that he thinks Paul's strength is building "underground" via the Internet.

"The people who support the Ron Paul campaign are the most learned political people in the country," he said. "They know what's going on."

Mabus said, "Ron Paul is the only one that stands for our freedoms and liberties."

Bernard Schoenburg can be reached at 788-1540 or bernard.schoenburg@sj-r.com.


As long as that guy lawfully owns his property, he can put any political sign up that he darn well pleases.

I hope somebody mentions LaDue v. Gilleo and tells the city to shove it.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/92-1856.ZO.html

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New SF ID cards for residents - whether in the country legally or not
Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
(11-13) 15:56 PST San Francisco

The Board of Supervisors voted today to make San Francisco the largest U.S. city to issue municipal identification cards to its residents, regardless of whether or not they are in the country legally.

Supervisor Tom Ammiano, the legislation's author, said the availability of identification cards is a smart public safety measure because it would make residents living on the social margins of San Francisco more likely to seek the help of police and could give them more access to banking services.

"People are afraid to report crimes," Ammiano said, referring to illegal immigrants who avoid local law enforcement authorities over fear of being arrested or deported by federal immigration officials.

The legislation would require companies doing business with San Francisco to accept the municipal card as a legitimate form of identification - except in cases where other state and federal laws require other forms of proof of age, name and residence.

Under San Francisco's sanctuary ordinance, it already is city policy that no municipal government personnel or resources may be used to assist federal immigration officials in the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants.

Ammiano said banking institutions in San Francisco have signaled their willingness to accept the municipal ID card for the purpose of setting up accounts. He noted that people without bank accounts are frequently more vulnerable to theft and robbery.

The legislation, which was approved 10-1 on the first of two readings, has the support of Mayor Gavin Newsom. Supervisor Sean Elsbernd voted against the measure, noting afterward that his opposition was primarily financial in that the city doesn't know how much implementing the program will cost.

The city of New Haven, Conn., began issuing municipal identification cards earlier this year.

Supporters of tougher enforcement of U.S. immigration laws argue that local identification card programs have the effect of legitimizing the decisions of people who entered or have remained in the country illegally and make it more difficult for the federal government to enforce those laws.




Since the banks are required to accept this ID card to open a bank account, you can do all sorts of anonymous money laundering if you desire.

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Reply #892 - Nov 16th, 2007 at 3:16pm
 
I thought Sturgis was around # 8 or 9...
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U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptors reportedly conducted their first-ever intercept of Russian Bear H bombers on Thanksgiving Day.

Military sources tell In From the Cold that the intercept occurred as the Russian aircraft approached Alaskan airspace, near the Aleutian Islands. F-22s from Elmendorf AFB were scrambled to intercept the Russian bombers, which were detected at long range by radar and intelligence systems. The Raptors flew alongside the TU-95s for a few minutes before the bombers turned and headed back toward Russian airspace. One of the photographs taken during the intercept reportedly shows the F-22's shadow falling across the fuselage of the Bear H.

The Thanksgiving mission was the latest by Moscow's long-range bomber squadrons, which have become increasingly aggressive in recent months, after years of inactivity. Over the past year, Bear and TU-160 Blackjack have flown a series of high-profile sorties against Norway, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Alaska and Guam. Similar missions were flown during the Cold War, and analysts say the recent flights are symbolic of a resurgent Russian military, under President Vladimir Putin.

Last Thursday's intercept came barely three months after the F-22s arrived in Alaska. Elmendorf's 3rd Fighter Wing will eventually operate two squadrons of the fifth-generation fighters. The Air Force is pushing to buy more Raptors (beyond the current production run of 183 aircraft), but critics have complained about the cost of the program. At $130 million a copy, the F-22 is more far expensive than the F-15s and F-16s that form the backbone of the USAF fighter inventory, but the Raptor offers advanced capabilities (stealth, supercruise) that the older jets can't match.

In that regard, the Thanksgiving intercept may have been an inadvertent gift from the Russians. The Air Force will use the mission as proof of an escalating threat, that must be met by state-of-the-art fighters like the F-22.


The pilot should've locked on to the Bear just to freak out the commies!

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Reply #894 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 5:01pm
 
The cold war 2!


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Reply #895 - Nov 27th, 2007 at 6:14pm
 
Not true sir...what about Terminator 2: Judgment Day?!

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Reply #896 - Nov 28th, 2007 at 8:19am
 
Or The Empire Strikes Back?

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Reply #897 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 10:57am
 
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New Software Detects Web Interference

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Increasingly worried over Internet providers' behavior, a nonprofit has released software that helps determine whether online glitches are innocent hiccups or evidence of deliberate traffic tampering.

The San Francisco-based digital rights group Electronic Frontier Foundation hopes the program, released Wednesday, will help uncover "data discrimination" _ efforts by Internet providers to disrupt some uses of their services _ in addition to the cases reported separately by EFF, The Associated Press and other sources.

"People have all sorts of problems, and they don't know whether to attribute that to some sort of misconfiguration, or deliberate behavior by the ISP," said Seth Schoen, a staff technologist with EFF.

The new software compares lists of data packets sent and received by two different computers and looks for discrepancies between what one sent and the other actually received. Previously, the process had to be done manually.

Schoen compared the software to a spelling checker.

"If you really had no idea what you were looking for, this could save dozens of hours," he said.

Increasingly people are contacting the EFF worried that their online activity has been disrupted by their Internet service provider, he said. The goal of the EFF's program is to "help consumers get more clarity about what the ISPs are doing."

An Associated Press investigation, published last month, confirmed in nationwide tests that Comcast Corp., the No. 2 U.S. Internet provider, interfered with attempts by some subscribers to it's high-speed service to share files online. EFF, which had been running its own tests, later said its findings were consistent with the AP's results.

The tests revealed that a PC would see messages from Comcast that were invisible to the user that told it to stop communicating, which would lead it to cancel a download or upload.

The AP's tests helped revive the debate over so-called "'Net Neutrality," how to treat all types of Internet traffic equally.

Comcast says it does not block access to any applications but does use sophisticated technologies to keep Internet connections running smoothly.

Some online activities, like peer-to-peer file-sharing, swallow massive amounts of bandwidth and can slow Internet connections for other subscribers.


My torrents still seem to be running fine, so I'm not sure if Comcast simply hasn't installed filtering hardware in the area yet or if they aren't touching my account because I have business-class service.  The former seems more likely than the latter.

Either way, I think I'm going to download a copy of this program and run it over the weekend to see what I can find!

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Reply #898 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 11:07am
 
If you could...throw up a link to that software.  I have Verizon and they're pretty good at leaving everything alone...still...it's nice to be on the safe side.

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Reply #899 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 11:36am
 
Actually, I can't seem to find the program they're alluding to on the EFF.org website.  It may have not been posted quite yet.

The closest thing I can found is a WireShark/Ethereal tutorial:

http://www.eff.org/wp/detecting-packet-injection

Of course, that requires you to have a host on both ends of the torrent connection, which simply isn't going to happen for most people.

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Reply #900 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 12:14pm
 
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MTV announces plans to release previous South Park episodes online

In a move paralleling the online archiving of The Daily Show, Viacom subsidiary MTV has announced their intention to put all of South Park online, for free. It's well known among fans that Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of South Park, have publicly encouraged downloading of their show from whatever source. This move would legitimize such activities, and undoubtedly generate advertising revenue.

My question is, won't this cut into their DVD boxset sales? Since The Daily Show isn't released in that format, it was a non-issue, but not so for South Park.

"One does not diminish the other by any stretch of the imagination. That is kind of our hat trick," was said by Judy McGrath the Chairman and Chief Executive at Reuters Media Summit in New York.


Wow, online distribution can boost DVD sales?  Who would've thought?!

We should hurry up and patent this idea before anybody else can!

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AMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.

A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it.

The admission will alarm the British business community after the case of the so-called NatWest Three, bankers who were extradited to America on fraud charges. More than a dozen other British executives, including senior managers at British Airways and BAE Systems, are under investigation by the US authorities and could face criminal charges in America.

Until now it was commonly assumed that US law permitted kidnapping only in the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorist suspects.
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The American government has for the first time made it clear in a British court that the law applies to anyone, British or otherwise, suspected of a crime by Washington.

Legal experts confirmed this weekend that America viewed extradition as just one way of getting foreign suspects back to face trial. Rendition, or kidnapping, dates back to 19th-century bounty hunting and Washington believes it is still legitimate.

The US government’s view emerged during a hearing involving Stanley Tollman, a former director of Chelsea football club and a friend of Baroness Thatcher, and his wife Beatrice.

The Tollmans, who control the Red Carnation hotel group and are resident in London, are wanted in America for bank fraud and tax evasion. They have been fighting extradition through the British courts.

During a hearing last month Lord Justice Moses, one of the Court of Appeal judges, asked Alun Jones QC, representing the US government, about its treatment of Gavin, Tollman’s nephew. Gavin Tollman was the subject of an attempted abduction during a visit to Canada in 2005.

Jones replied that it was acceptable under American law to kidnap people if they were wanted for offences in America. “The United States does have a view about procuring people to its own shores which is not shared,” he said.

He said that if a person was kidnapped by the US authorities in another country and was brought back to face charges in America, no US court could rule that the abduction was illegal and free him: “If you kidnap a person outside the United States and you bring him there, the court has no jurisdiction to refuse — it goes back to bounty hunting days in the 1860s.”

Mr Justice Ouseley, a second judge, challenged Jones to be “honest about [his] position”.

Jones replied: “That is United States law.”

He cited the case of Humberto Alvarez Machain, a suspect who was abducted by the US government at his medical office in Guadalajara, Mexico, in 1990. He was flown by Drug Enforcement Administration agents to Texas for criminal prosecution.

Although there was an extradition treaty in place between America and Mexico at the time — as there currently is between the United States and Britain — the Supreme Court ruled in 1992 that the Mexican had no legal remedy because of his abduction.

In 2005, Gavin Tollman, the head of Trafalgar Tours, a holiday company, had arrived in Toronto by plane when he was arrested by Canadian immigration authorities.

An American prosecutor, who had tried and failed to extradite him from Britain, persuaded Canadian officials to detain him. He wanted the Canadians to drive Tollman to the border to be handed over. Tollman was escorted in handcuffs from the aircraft in Toronto, taken to prison and held for 10 days.

A Canadian judge ordered his release, ruling that the US Justice Department had set a “sinister trap” and wrongly bypassed extradition rules. Tollman returned to Britain.

Legal sources said that under traditional American justice, rendition meant capturing wanted people abroad and bringing them to the United States. The term “extraordinary rendition” was coined in the 1990s for the kidnapping of terror suspects from one foreign country to another for interrogation.

There was concern this weekend from Patrick Mercer, the Tory MP, who said: “The very idea of kidnapping is repugnant to us and we must handle these cases with extreme caution and a thorough understanding of the implications in American law.”

Shami Chakrabarti, director of the human rights group Liberty, said: “This law may date back to bounty hunting days, but they should sort it out if they claim to be a civilised nation.”

The US Justice Department declined to comment.


Ya, I mean why not?  It's not like we're paying all that much attention to anyone elses laws...why not?

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Reply #902 - Dec 4th, 2007 at 8:37am
 
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Barry Levine, newsfactor.com Mon Dec 3, 12:43 PM ET

A billion free songs. That could be the total number of MP3 downloads in a joint giveaway from Amazon and Pepsi that will be launched during the Super Bowl, according to a report in Billboard.

This massive distribution of MP3s might compel Warner Music and Sony BMG to make songs available in that format, as EMI and Universal Music have done. Labels are increasingly being pressured to offer their titles without digital rights management (DRM). Amazon is promoting the fact that its MP3 music store's offerings are free of copyright protection and will work on any media player.

Currently, Warner Music and Sony BMG offer their music tracks to Wal-Mart in Windows Media format, and Wal-Mart reportedly has said it will pull those tracks from its Web site if they are not offered as MP3s by early next year. In August, Wal-Mart began offering MP3s free of DRM.

CDs Down Nearly 20 Percent

Although Wal-Mart is not currently a big player in the digital download arena, with an estimated market share of only 2 percent, the retailer is a huge factor in the sale of CDs, with a 22 percent market share.

Sony BMG and Warner Music executives are reportedly concerned that having their digital downloads pulled might eventually affect the placement of their physical products. Additionally, digital downloads are booming, and CD sales in the U.S. are down nearly 20 percent compared to last year.

The digital download promotion offered by Pepsi and Amazon will be featured inside five billion soda bottle caps, with five caps needed to redeem a free song download from Amazon.

In a similar, previous promotion, which Pepsi launched with iTunes in 2004 and which was also featured during the Super Bowl, five million people downloaded free tunes within three months.

Labels Balking at Price?

Billboard reported that all the major labels have been approached about participating, but some have balked because of the pricing. Billboard cited sources who said that Amazon will pay 40 cents per track, compared to as much as 70 cents per track labels now receive from digital sales through Amazon or iTunes.

In addition to boosting MP3 as a format, the promotion might also boost the new Amazon music site, which launched in September and reportedly has about 3 percent of digital download sales and 6 percent of all CD sales.

James McQuivey, an analyst with industry research firm Forrester, said that Amazon "is the horse the music industry wants to bet on to create genuine competition against iTunes," and Amazon will use that angle to persuade recalcitrant labels.

But he predicted the promotion won't result in the downloading of a billion tracks, just as the 2004 Pepsi/iTunes promotion "generated far fewer downloads than they hoped." Even if it generates "only" a hundred million downloads, he said, it will still be a coup for Amazon, given that they've "probably only sold 50 million or so since its launch."


This is an interesting idea, but I think they're living in a dreamworld if they seriously think they can push a billion downloads this way. 

Supposedly, the giveaway will require five codes for one song.  Since a 20oz costs at least $1.00 these days, that's $5.00 worth of product for one song that could be purchased for $0.99 on iTunes.

Either way, the push toward DRM-free mp3's is pretty interesting.  I'm looking forward to RIAA's take on this.

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Reply #903 - Dec 4th, 2007 at 8:47am
 
Ya, I believe this will only benefit those who already drink those enough or the stupid.  Also...if Pepsi can allow these mp3 downloads...why can't the music industry get into the act as well?

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San Fransisco canceled its straw poll yesterday.

Why?

Well because too many of that "nonviable candidate", Ron Paul supporters showed up!

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[Update as of Thurs. 8:30pm: See this article for a response to criticisms from Rep. Nick Lampson, the bill's author.]

The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a bill saying that anyone offering an open Wi-Fi connection to the public must report illegal images including "obscene" cartoons and drawings--or face fines of up to $300,000.

That broad definition would cover individuals, coffee shops, libraries, hotels, and even some government agencies that provide Wi-Fi. It also sweeps in social-networking sites, domain name registrars, Internet service providers, and e-mail service providers such as Hotmail and Gmail, and it may require that the complete contents of the user's account be retained for subsequent police inspection.

Before the House vote, which was a lopsided 409 to 2, Rep. Nick Lampson (D-Texas) held a press conference on Capitol Hill with John Walsh, the host of America's Most Wanted and Ernie Allen, head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Allen said the legislation--called the Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act, or SAFE Act--will "ensure better reporting, investigation, and prosecution of those who use the Internet to distribute images of illegal child pornography."

The SAFE Act represents the latest in Congress' efforts--some of which have raised free speech and privacy concerns--to crack down on sex offenders and Internet predators. One bill introduced a year ago was even broader and would have forced Web sites and blogs to report illegal images. Another would require sex offenders to supply e-mail addresses and instant messaging user names.

Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that's supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since the earlier version and was not available for public review.

Not one Democrat opposed the SAFE Act. Two Republicans did: Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning presidential candidate from Texas, and Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia.

This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service" and "remote computing service" providers already have some reporting requirements under existing law too.)

The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children being molested. But it also includes photographs of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain obscene visual depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called hentai).

Someone providing a Wi-Fi connection probably won't have to worry about the SAFE Act's additional requirement of retaining all the suspect's personal files if the illegal images are "commingled or interspersed" with other data. But that retention requirement does concern Internet service providers, which would be in a position to comply. So would e-mail service providers, including both Web-based ones and companies that offer POP or IMAP services.

"USISPA has long supported harmonized reporting of child pornography incidents to the (NCMEC). ISPs report over 30,000 incidents a year, and we work closely with NCMEC and law enforcement on the investigation," Kate Dean, head of the U.S. Internet Service Provider Association, said on Wednesday. "We remain concerned, however, that industry would be required to retain images of child pornography after reporting them to NCMEC. It seems like the better approach would be to require the private sector to turn over illicit images and not retain copies."

Failure to comply with the SAFE Act would result in an initial fine of up to $150,000, and fines of up to $300,000 for subsequent offenses. That's the stick. There's a carrot as well: anyone who does comply is immune from civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions.

There are two more points worth noting. First, the vote on the SAFE Act seems unusually rushed. It's not entirely clear that the House Democratic leadership really meant this legislation to slap new restrictions on hundreds of thousands of Americans and small businesses who offer public wireless connections. But they'll nevertheless have to abide by the new rules if senators go along with this idea (and it's been a popular one in the Senate).

The second point is that Internet providers already are required by another federal law to report child pornography sightings to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is in turn charged with forwarding that report to the appropriate police agency. So there's hardly an emergency, which makes the Democrats' rush for a vote more inexplicable than usual.


This law is retarded.  How are network peers supposed to control traffic on ad hoc wireless networks?  ISP's already have a legal obligation to report cases of child pornography to the NCMEC.  It boggles my mind that the NCMEC is put in charge of this, because they're a non-profit organization.

I don't understand how the .gov thinks this is going to work.  Routers don't record traffic, they route it.  Wireless access points don't record traffic either, the just bridge it.  This is tantamount to asking a telephone wire for a record of all the phone calls that have taken place over it.

Now we're going to start censoring network traffic like the Chinese do, except we're doing it "for the children" instead of "for the government."

Can't you see the writing on the wall?  How long will it be before ISP's and other service providers will have a legal obligation to report on other crimes, such as somebody viewing "subversive" materials?

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Routers route traffic?

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Routers route traffic?


Yeah, and it gets better.  Not only do routers route, but switches switch and bridges bridge!  Crazy, isn't it?

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Dude....you just blew my mind!

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I'll see your "blew my mind" and raise you a "blown away."

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If you were to guess which candidate most Mormons would vote for...who would it be?

If you said Mitt...you're Wa-RONG!

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Should employers have the right to mandate a belief that they say is integral to the work?

The firing of Dr. Nathaniel Abraham at a renowned New England institute is somewhat surprising in one aspect: his bosses admit they fired him because of his creationist beliefs (even though he did not push those beliefs on the job) and have not tried to hide their motivation. It made them open to charges of religious discrimination. This past week, Dr. Abraham’s attorneys filed a civil rights/religious discrimination lawsuit in a U.S. District Court in Boston.

Dr. Abraham was a marine biologist at the highly respected Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Rhode Island. When he told his
supervisor in 2004 that he was a creationist, Dr. Abraham was soon terminated. The Boston Globe was clearly not very sympathetic towards Dr. Abraham’s plight. In addition to quoting evolutionists from California and Florida who piled on Dr. Abraham, the newspaper misled readers by stating that Dr. Abraham held a doctorate in philosophy when it is actually a PhD in biology (suggesting that he may not have been qualified for this scientific research position).*

Dr. Abraham now teaches biology at Liberty University in Virginia (at a much-reduced salary). Return to this website on Monday for a fuller treatment on this lawsuit.
*It could be that the reporters misunderstood the nature of the degree when they contacted Dr. Abraham’s alma mater about his degree.


Does this mean that if I start a business I have the right to only hire Protestant Christians who believe literal 6 day Creation and anyone who doesn't or who doesn't hold the same belief as me I can fire?

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An A&E Billboard 'Whispers' a Spooky Message Audible Only in Your Head in Push to Promote Its New 'Paranormal' Program

By Andrew Hampp

Published: December 10, 2007
NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- New Yorker Alison Wilson was walking down Prince Street in SoHo last week when she heard a woman's voice right in her ear asking, "Who's there? Who's there?" She looked around to find no one in her immediate surroundings. Then the voice said, "It's not your imagination."
No, he's not crazy: Our intrepid reporter Andrew Hampp ventures to SoHo to hear for himself the technology that has New Yorkers 'freaked out' and A&E buzzing.



Indeed it isn't. It's an ad for "Paranormal State," a ghost-themed series premiering on A&E this week. The billboard uses technology manufactured by Holosonic that transmits an "audio spotlight" from a rooftop speaker so that the sound is contained within your cranium. The technology, ideal for museums and libraries or environments that require a quiet atmosphere for isolated audio slideshows, has rarely been used on such a scale before. For random passersby and residents who have to walk unwittingly through the area where the voice will penetrate their inner peace, it's another story.

Ms. Wilson, a New York-based stylist, said she expected the voice inside her head to be some type of creative project but could see how others might perceive it differently, particularly on a late-night stroll home. "I might be a little freaked out, and I wouldn't necessarily think it's coming from that billboard," she said.

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Joe Pompei, president and founder of Holosonics, said the creepy approach is key to drawing attention to A&E's show. But, he noted, the technology was designed to avoid adding to noise pollution. "If you really want to annoy a lot of people, a loudspeaker is the best way to do it," he said. "If you set up a loudspeaker on the top of a building, everybody's going to hear that noise. But if you're only directing that sound to a specific viewer, you're never going to hear a neighbor complaint from street vendors or pedestrians. The whole idea is to spare other people."

Holosonics has partnered with a cable network once before, when Court TV implemented the technology to promote its "Mystery Whisperer" in the mystery sections of select bookstores. Mr. Pompei said the company also has tested retail deployments in grocery stores with Procter & Gamble and Kraft for customized audio messaging. So a customer, for example, looking to buy laundry detergent could suddenly hear the sound of gurgling water and thus feel compelled to buy Tide as a result of the sonic experience.

Mr. Pompei contends that the technology will take time for consumers to get used to, much like the lights on digital signage and illuminated billboards did when they were first used. The website Gawker posted an item about the billboard last week with the headline "Schizophrenia is the new ad gimmick," and asked "How soon will it be until in addition to the do-not-call list, we'll have a 'do not beam commercial messages into my head' list?"

"There's going to be a certain population sensitive to it. But once people see what it does and hear for themselves, they'll see it's effective for getting attention," Mr. Pompei said.

More disruptions
A&E's $3 million to $5 million campaign for "Paranormal" includes other more disruptive elements than just the one audio ad in New York. In Los Angeles, a mechanical face creeps out of a billboard as if it's coming toward the viewer, and then recedes. In print, the marketing team persuaded two print players to surrender a full editorial page to their ads, flipping the gossip section in AM New York upside down and turning a page in this week's Parade into a checkerboard of ads for "Paranormal."
AM New York's gossip page got turned upside down as promo.
AM New York's gossip page got turned upside down as promo.


It's not the network's first foray into supernatural marketing, having launched a successful viral campaign for "Mind Freak" star Criss Angel earlier this year that allowed users to trick their friends into thinking Mr. Angel was reading their mind via YouTube.

"We all know what you need to do for one of these shows is get people talking about them," said Guy Slattery, A&E's exec VP-marketing. "It shouldn't be pure informational advertising. When we were talking about marketing the show, nearly everyone had a connection with a paranormal experience, and that was a surprise to us. So we really tried to base the whole campaign on people's paranormal experiences."

So was it a ghost or just an annoyed resident who stole the speaker from the SoHo billboard twice in one day last week? Horizon Media, which helped place the billboard, had to find a new device that would prevent theft from its rooftop location. Mr. Pompei only takes it as a compliment that someone would go to the trouble of stealing his technology, but hopes consumer acceptance comes with time. "The sound isn't rattling your skull, it's not penetrating you, it's not doing anything nefarious at all. It's just like having a flashlight vs. a light bulb," he said.

http://www.adage.com/article?article_id=122491


Well, isn't that special?  Now, instead of being annoyed by commercials on television, before (and during) movies, in the newspaper, on the side of public transportation, in every magazine, and on the Interweb, I can also be annoyed by commercials beamed directly at my head.  How quaint.

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That's still not "beaming" the commercial into your head.  I think it is a great idea.  Well until some new yorker pulls a gun and shoots your expensive speaker.


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Reply #914 - Dec 12th, 2007 at 11:34am
 
Alright, so maybe they aren't beaming the advertisement directly into your head yet, but just wait until nanotechnology advances a bit more!  We'll have gray goo covered in ads before you know it!

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And unlike the beauty of Firefox...life doesn't have an ad block.

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Or, better yet, AdBlock Plus.  If you guys haven't tried it yet, be sure to give it a download.  It has all of the same functionality you'll find in AdBlock, but it also allows you to link AdBlock to a list of known advertisers, eliminating 99% of ads before they even pop up.

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Definately...I use to have to manually block on my main sites about 4 times a month and here and there...but now it's rare.

I also love the feature of dling other people's lists that has been just beautiful.

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Wednesday December 19, 12:30 pm ET
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Fed Provides $20 Billion in Loans to Banks to Help Them Through Credit Crisis

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Federal Reserve is providing $20 billion in loans to banks as part of an unprecedented auction process to ease a global credit crisis and make sure financial institutions can keep lending to their customers.

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The central bank on Wednesday announced banks' use of a new auction facility that was created to encourage banks to seek cash directly from the Fed to help them overcome credit problems.

The Fed announced that the interest rate on the short-term loans will be 4.65 percent, which is slightly less than the 4.75 percent the Fed charges banks on emergency loans through its "discount" window. Banks have been reluctant to use the Fed's discount window because of the fear that investors will believe they are having trouble getting funds in a normal manner.

The Fed received bids from banks for $61.6 billion worth of loans, an indication that the Fed was able to encourage banks to use the new auction facility.

In its announcement of the auction results, there were 93 bids for the loans. Each bank could submit up to two bids. The auction for the 28-day loans was conducted on Monday, and the results released on Wednesday.

Asked how the first auction fared, T.J. Marta, a fixed-income strategist at RBC Capital Markets, replied: "I was standing next to two seasoned traders and one thought this auction was fantastic and another one thought it was horrible."

For his own part, Marta said it was "unsatisfying" because investors had thought the rate on the loans would have been lower, around 4.30 percent or 4.40 percent, rather than 4.65 percent.

"There was a hope that things really weren't that bad and that the market would have been able to bid down the Fed and take the money at a cheaper rate," Marta explained. "The fact that the market wasn't really willing to, was evidence of the stress."

A second auction will be conducted on Thursday, offering banks another chance to get a slice of another $20 billion in 35-day loans. The Fed said it would conduct two more auctions in January and then assess whether the process was worth continuing.

The Fed announced last week that it was creating an auction facility that would give cash-strapped banks a new way to get short-term loans from the central bank to help them over the credit hump. A global credit crisis has made banks reluctant to lend to each other, which can crimp lending to individuals and businesses.

The smooth flow of credit is the econony's life blood. It permits people to finance big-ticket purchases, such as homes and cars, and helps businesses to expand their operations and hire workers.

The Fed's actions are part of a global response in which other central banks also are taking steps to curb the credit crisis.

The European Central Bank on Tuesday opened its credit tap wide, pumping a record amount of cash -- more than $500 billion -- into markets to keep banks from Finland to France flush with the cash they need to operate.

The move, along with another liquidity infusion by the Bank of England, was aimed at keeping jittery markets calm amid a credit squeeze. It appeared to calm stock markets.

In the United States, the Fed also has been slicing its most important interest rate, called the federal funds rate, to help deal with the tight credit situation. The Fed has lowered this rate three times this year. Its most recent rate cut on Dec. 11 dropped the rate down to 4.25, a two-year low. The funds rate is the rate banks charge each other on overnight loans. It affects a wide range of interest rates charged to people and businesses, making it the Fed's main tool for influencing U.S. economic activity.

The credit problems and a severe housing slump are raising the odds that the country could fall into a recession. Financial companies have taken multibillion-dollar hits because of bad mortgage loans. Home foreclosures have hit record highs. Wall Street has been badly shaken.

The Bush Administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress have been scrambling to limit the fallout.

Federal Reserve: http://www.federalreserve.gov/


Why do we even have "private" companies anymore.  Let's just take the final step and become communists.  The govt. basically owns everything anyways...too bad it's just not our govt.

Federal govt.  I'm poor...can I barrow 6 million?

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I am reminded of a person who pays off credit cards with other credit cards. Soon you have 20 cards and are 100k in debt.

This "money" they pump in is just more credit. Amazing. If this hump is not gotten over... we are all going to be sitting in a very bad spot when countries/banks/ businesses/homeowners cannot pay off their loans.
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Reply #920 - Dec 19th, 2007 at 2:45pm
 
That's a great analogy, Briney.

The "credit crisis" is simply a bubble that needs to be popped.  The longer the government sustains the bubble, the more painful it will be when everything inevitably comes crashing down.

Remember the tech boom?  That bubble was created by a huge glut of venture capital being poured into companies with unsustainable business models.  Imagine what would have happened if the government would've given tech companies additional capital when the venture capitalists started backing out. 

The economically-adjusted bubble was painful enough, and a government-adjusted bubble would've brought the nation to it's knees.  We're seeing that situation played out before our very eyes in the subprime mortgage market.

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The incandescent light bulb, one of the most venerable inventions of its era but deemed too inefficient for our own, will be phased off the U.S. market beginning in 2012 under the new energy law just approved by Congress. Although this will reduce electricity costs and minimize new bulb purchases in every household in America, you may be feeling in the dark about the loss of your old, relatively reliable source of light. Here's a primer on the light bulb phase-out and what will mean to you:



Why are they taking my light bulbs away? Moving to more efficient lighting is one of the lowest-cost ways for the nation to reduce electricity use and greenhouse gases. In fact, it actually will save households money because of lower utility bills. Ninety percent of the energy that an incandescent light bulb burns is wasted as heat. And yet, sales of the most common high-efficiency bulb available--the compact fluorescent (CFL)--amount to only 5 percent of the light bulb market. Earlier this year, Australia became the first country to announce an outright ban by 2010 on incandescent bulbs. The changeover in the United States will be more gradual, not mandated to begin until 2012 and phased out through 2014. However, don't be surprised if some manufacturers phase out earlier.

How do I save money, when a CFL costs six times as much as an old-fashioned bulb? Each cone-shaped spiral CFL costs about $3, compared with 50 cents for a standard bulb. But a CFL uses about 75 percent less energy and lasts five years instead of a few months. A household that invested $90 in changing 30 fixtures to CFLs would save $440 to $1,500 over the five-year life of the bulbs, depending on your cost of electricity. Look at your utility bill and imagine a 12 percent discount to estimate the savings.

I've heard that CFLs don't really last as long as they say. Turning a CFL on and off frequently shortens its life, which is why the government's Energy Star program says to leave them on for at least 15 minutes at a time. Also, if you have dimmable light fixtures, make sure to buy CFLs labeled "dimmable." All CFLs that carry the government's Energy Star label are required to carry a two-year limited warranty, so contact the manufacturer if your bulb burns out prematurely. The Energy Star website has a good FAQ on CFLs.

I don't think that I like the color of the light from CFLs. When they first hit the market, CFLs had a limited range of tones. Now, manufacturers offer a wider variety, but there is not an agreed-upon labeling standard. The Energy Star program is working to change that. But for now, look for lower "Kelvin temperatures" like 2,700 to 3,000 for "redder" light, closer to old-fashioned incandescent bulbs, while bulbs with Kelvin temperatures of 5,000 and 6,500 provide more "blue" and intense light. A good photograph illustrating the difference is shown here.

I've heard that CFLs have mercury in them--isn't that bad? Consumers are rightly concerned about the toxic substance mercury that helps CFLs produce light. Even though the amount sealed in each bulb is small--one old-fashioned thermometer had about 100 times as much mercury--contact local trash collection for disposal instructions. Environmentalists agree that more work must be done on bulb recycling programs. Right now, you can return any CFL to any Ikea store for recycling, and the Environmental Protection Agency and Earth911 have sites you can search for other recycling programs near your home.

But if you break a CFL, you'll have a toxic spill in your home. Maine's Department of Environmental Protection has developed the best advice on the procedures to follow if a CFL breaks. Don't use a vacuum. Maine officials studied the issue because of a homeowner in that state who received a $2,000 light bulb clean-up bill from an environmental hazards company--a story that has circulated around the country and increased consumer concerns about CFLs. It turns out that the company's advice was overkill, and a subsequent analysis showed no hazard in the home. But the bulbs must be handled with caution. Using a drop cloth might be a good new routine to develop when screwing in a light bulb, to make the clean-up of any breaks easier.

By the way, don't think that incandescent bulbs are mercury free. In the United States, the chances are at least 50 percent that their light is generated by a coal-powered plant featuring mercury as well as other types of pollution. Popular Mechanics recently crunched the numbers to find that even if the mercury in a CFL was directly released into the atmosphere, an incandescent would still contribute almost double that amount of mercury into the environment over its lifetime.

Isn't there efficient lighting without mercury? Yes. By 2012, the chances are good that consumers will have many more options to replace incandescent bulbs. Manufacturers already are deploying advanced incandescent bulbs that are efficient enough to stay on the market after 2012, although they are not yet as efficient as CFLs. Even more exciting are the developments with light-emitting diodes (LEDs), which are jazzing up holiday lighting. The European electronics firm Philips this year acquired several pioneering small technology companies and plans a big push to make LEDs practical for ordinary lighting purposes. The lights on the New Year's Eve Times Square Ball could one day brighten your home. LEDs last even longer than CFLs and will make bulb buying more like an appliance purchase than a throw-away item.

Is Thomas Edison turning over in his grave? Perhaps, but the incandescent bulb has had a good run, with the technology little changed since 1879, when Edison produced light with a carbonized thread from his wife's sewing box. The breakthrough that ushered civilization out of the candle era was so revolutionary that the light bulb itself became the culture's iconic image to illustrate any thought, brainstorm, or idea. But energy-efficient bulbs are a better idea, says Andrew deLaski, director of the Appliance Standards Awareness Project. "It's hugely important," he says. "A 60 to 70 percent reduction in light bulb energy use will save as much energy annually as that used by all the homes in Texas last year." That's a big savings.


Well, its obvious the government can't trust us to make our own decisions like big boys and girls, so they've made it for us.  Thanks, government!

CFL bulbs give off crappy light, don't fit in smaller light fixtures, and don't work in cold conditions (like your refrigerator, or outdoors).  They also look retarded in droplights, chandeliers, and other fixtures in which the bulb is visible.  You can keep 'em.

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Yeah, I'll really start sticking it to him when I start charging people $20 a pop for access to my bulb bounty!

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I keep reading stories about how people have to pay up to $3,000 to get those broken bulbs cleaned up since they contain mercury in them.

Hmm mercury in our vaccines, our light bulbs, etc.  good job their govt...kill us slowly like that...

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The government loves us!  Mercury is fun to play with, they are helping!
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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Thursday , December 20, 2007

WASHINGTON —

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.




The Lakota is currently free from federal taxation, can work wherever they want, get free education, receive heavily subsidized healthcare, etc.   What's not to like?

All things considered (and the alternative being total annihilation) I'd say they've got the best deal they could have expected given the circumstances.

Give me an example of other indigenous people who have as many opportunities to get ahead in the world?  There are areas in Mexico where local tribes run everything, and while "free" they're crushingly poor.  Peoples in Brazil's rain forest are "free" too, but their society is entirely primitive and it is kept that way by the thick jungle and the benevolence of the larger society.

Heck, the Amish are allowed to live in the 1890's because of society's tolerance.

Breaking away and forming your own country is just asking for a beatdown of one type or another. They'd be better served seeking to improve their own tribal regions' health and economic crises than thinking independence will magically cure alcoholism, drug abuse, family breakdown, etc.

Once the federal and state governments cut off aid, what are they going to do for income?  Will they return to subsistence living?  How is that going to save their young men from early deaths?

Believe it or not, the US colonies where economically successful first, and then became free, not the other way around.  Our own revolutionary effort would have been a disaster if the economies of the thirteen colonies were entirely dependent on British handouts.  If you can't feed, educate, care for, and give gainful employment to your people while you are dependent on the world's biggest superpower, how are you going to do all these things when independent?

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Haha, I say let them do it.  But when they want to come crawling back say, "Nah, you are better off."

I am tired of the taxes I pay to the government being given as handouts to people that don't want it.

Oh, and yes I am still bitter that the tax free Indian gas stations up by tech were MORE expensive than the normal ones.  I didn't look it up, but something like 40-50% of the cost of gas is taxes.  Why the fuck do they charge more if they don't have to pay those taxes!?!
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Because they can.

Listen, if they aren't going to fulfill the responsibilities of citizenship (i.e. paying taxes), they don't deserve the rights that are associated with citizenship.  If they want their own country that badly, give them Guam and wish them the best of luck.

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California judge says Web site operators tampered with evidence

By Grant Gross, IDG News Service
December 18, 2007

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has won a lawsuit against the operators of TorrentSpy.com, with the judge ruling in favor of the MPAA because the Web site operators tampered with evidence.

In a ruling that could have implications for the privacy of Web site users, Judge Florence-Marie Cooper of the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, ruled that TorrentSpy has infringed MPAA copyrights in a default judgment against the operators of the site.

Cooper, in a ruling made public Monday, agreed with the MPAA that defendants Justin Bunnell, Forrest Parker, Wes Parker and Valence Media had destroyed evidence after another judge had ordered them to keep server logs, user IP (Internet Protocol) addresses and other information. TorrentSpy billed itself as a central location to find files distributed on BitTorrent P-to-P (peer-to-peer) networks.

The defendants' conduct was "obstreperous," Cooper wrote in her decision. "They have engaged in widespread and systematic efforts to destroy evidence and have provided false testimony under oath in a effort to hide evidence of such destruction," she wrote.

TorrentSpy had located its servers in the Netherlands and argued that Dutch law protected them from having to turn over server logs and other information. In May, U.S. Magistrate Judge Jacqueline Chooljian ruled that TorrentSpy must preserve server data logs held in random access memory, or RAM.

That decision was widely criticized as being an unreasonable standard because information held in RAM is temporary, but Cooper, in her new ruling, said TorrentSpy destroyed or altered several types of evidence, including user IP addresses, discussion forum postings about the trading of movies and moderator identities. "A substantial number of items of evidence have been destroyed," she wrote. "Defendants were on notice that this information would be of importance in this case."

TorrentSpy's lawyer Ira Rothken said his client had concerns about protecting users' privacy. TorrentSpy will appeal Cooper's decision, he said.

"It's not a ruling on the merits of the case," he said. "One person's willful destruction of evidence is another person's willful attempt to comply with customer privacy policies."

The ruling, if it stands, could expose private information about Web site users in many civil lawsuits, Rothken added. "This doesn't apply only to TorrentSpy, but to anyone who operates a Web site," he said.

A ruling on damages in case will happen at a later date.

The MPAA, which filed the case against TorrentSpy in February 2006, applauded Cooper's ruling. "The court's decision ... sends a potent message to future defendants that this egregious behavior will not be tolerated by the judicial system," John Malcolm, the MPAA's executive vice president and director of worldwide antipiracy operations, said in a statement. "The sole purpose of TorrentSpy and sites like it is to facilitate and promote the unlawful dissemination of copyrighted content. TorrentSpy is a one-stop shop for copyright infringement."


I don't think I can add anything to this story that hasn't already been said a million times before.

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I just think that TorrentSpy was just following the example set by the White House.  If they can destroy evidence and say "Trust me...nothing improper was done and it's not like we found out that Saudi Arabia was involved in terrorist activity against the US or anything *shifty eyes*".

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TorrentSpy should have known better.  The official White House motto is "Do as I say, not as I do."

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The Federal Reserve, working to combat the effects of a severe credit crunch, announced Friday it had auctioned another $20 billion in funds to commercial banks at an interest rate of 4.67 percent. Fed officials pledged to continue with the auctions "for as long as necessary."


The central bank said it had received bids for $57.7 billion worth of loans, nearly three times the amount being offered, indicating continued strong interest in the Fed's new approach to providing money to cash-strapped banks.

It was the second of four scheduled auctions. The first auction, on Monday, of $20 billion resulted in loans being awarded at an interest rate of 4.65 percent. There were 93 bidders seeking $63.6 billion at the first auction and 73 at the second.

Two more auctions will occur in early January. In a statement Friday, the central bank said it would continue with further auctions "for as long as necessary to address elevated pressures in short-term funding markets."

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The rate currently stands at 4.25 percent, a full percentage point lower than it was in September when the Fed began slashing rates in the wake of a severe credit squeeze that had roiled global markets in August.


.... I really had no idea there was so much cross loaning going on. This really is quite insane to me. So these banks are borrowing money cause they are low, so they can loan money out to people at higher interest rates. These people then default on house payment or something and cant pay back loan, bank seizes house, then cant sell it back...

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Reply #933 - Dec 21st, 2007 at 11:20am
 
The amount of money floating around in the financial markets is absolutely astounding.  Banks rarely even hold mortgages anymore, they simply provide the customer with a mortgage then package it up with other mortgages and sell them all off to a brokerage firm.  The firm then packages them with other mortgages and markets the entire bundle as a multi-tiered security. 

At that point, the original bank is only responsible for collecting and passing along payments from the customer to the brokerage (and they get a fee from the brokerage firm for their service).  The brokerage then takes out their cut of the payment and pays out the rest to their investors in the form of dividends.

The upside to this is that it frees the bank from any liability for the mortgage.  They don't have to set aside liquid assets to cover for the risk of a foreclosure (banks have to set aside 15-20% of their outstanding loans to cover defaults) and the loan balance is repaid immediately by the brokerage, so they can use that money to fund another loan.  The cycle gets pretty vicious.

The downside is that it distances the mortgage owner from the individuals that are holding the bag.  The bank still acts as the "face" of the mortgage, but they are at least two steps removed from the financiers of the mortgage. 

Moreover, having more individuals with their hand in the bag can lead to problems like the current subprime lending mess.  Since the bank isn't responsible for the mortgage once it is packaged and sold off, they'll do everything in their power to sell a mortgage without regard to the quality of the mortgage.  They couldn't care less if the buyer can't afford the mortgage because they aren't left holding the bag when the buyer defaults on the loan. 

  • The loan officer will sell a mortgage to anyone to get the commission, even if they have to fudge some numbers (like the buyer's income) to get it done.
  • The bank is pushing the loan officer to make sales so they can sell off the mortgage and get their cut.  They are usually paid a flat percentage fee on the price of the mortgage, plus the closing costs they tack onto the mortgage and a perennial service fee for accepting and processing payments.
  • The loan distributor pushes the bank to make sales because they need a certain number of mortgages to package as securities and sell off to brokerages.
  • The brokerage pushes the loan distributor for mortgage securities that they can purchase, split, and sell.  The brokerage splits the securities into tiers and sells shares of those tiers to investors.  The highest tiers get the lowest interest rate, but they get paid first.  The lowest tiers get the highest interest rate, but they get paid last and assume the highest risk in the event of a default.


Does that make the least bit of sense?  Every level of the mortgage market pushes the lower level to sell more, more, more!  This ultimately leads to lower quality mortgages and predatory lending practices. 

This, by the way, should by no means be misconstrued to indicate that I'm placing the blame entirely on the lenders, banks, distributors, or brokerages.  The purchaser of the mortgage is ultimately responsible for paying back their debt and there is no excuse for not understanding the terms of their mortgage.

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I agree in part.

But giving a loan out to someone you know can't pay it back is pretty much like giving Charles Manson a fully loaded gun, a Beatles CD, and a day off at a playground.  He is to blame in the end, sure...but what the heck were those in charge thinking?!

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The banks were thinking "hah, we rule, if they don't pay we will take their house and sell it, we have all the cards!"  Then the people couldn't pay and it turned out after the bank took it it couldn't sell crumy_house_01.  So moral of the story, don't be a bank.
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spanky wrote on Dec 21st, 2007 at 1:42pm:
crumy_house_01.


Is that house related to A_Giant_Rat_62?

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HAH, some one got it.  I had to add that in because my post was getting a little too serious.
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A federal program promotes driving license technology that allows the tracking of motorists even when they are not driving.

Enhanced licenseElectronic monitoring of motorists will soon expand dramatically as states including Arizona, Michigan, Vermont and Washington begin to use radio frequency identification (RFID) chips in drivers' licenses. These electronic chips broadcast the identity of any card holder to any chip-reading sensor within a minimum of thirty feet. The US Department of Homeland Security is promoting the tracking projects as part of its Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative.

"Multiple cards can be read at a distance and simultaneously with vicinity RFID technology, allowing an entire car full of people to be processed at once," a DHS fact sheet on the Passport Card technology explained.

So-called enhanced drivers' licenses are designed to meet the DHS travel document requirements. Enhanced card holders will be allowed to travel across the border without a passport when new regulations take effect in January 2009. The enhanced licenses electronically store the motorist's name, date of birth, height, weight and identity number on the card. RFID readers use the identity number to access additional private information from a department of motor vehicles database.

Although the licenses will initially be offered on a voluntary basis, the National Motorists Association suggests that it will not take long for the program to become mandatory.

"The federal government just incentivizes their proposal so that each state, and by extension its citizens, feel like they have no choice but to go along with their program," the NMA stated today.

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) warns that the move is another step toward a national identity card.

"DHS, Arizona, Vermont and Washington are creating these new ID cards in order to change the state driver's license in to a federal border security identification document," the EPIC website explained. "The license is pulled away from its original intent -- to ensure driving competence -- and used as a multi-use federal identification document that could easily be transformed into a national identity card."

Not every state is sold on the idea. The California State Senate voted in April to ban RFID drivers' licenses. The bill passed an Assembly committee by a 9-5 vote in July


Hello Mr. National ID RFID chip...there's where you've been hiding since the passage of legislation in the US Congress about 3 years ago!

Be afraid people...you're a criminal now...even if you don't know it.

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How much do you want to bet that it'll be a felony to remove the chip?

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Pequannock Ratchets Up Alcohol Zero-Tolerance Policy
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PEQUANNOCK TOWNSHIP, N.J. (CBS) ― When it comes to keeping our teenagers safe and sober, one New Jersey school district is taking the lead by employing the use of a Breathalyzer test.

And as CBS 2 HD found out, it's become such a successful deterrent, students are passing with flying colors.

Keeping high school students sober can be, in some situations, a full time job.

"I personally got Breathalyzed," said student Jessica Forrest.

At Pequannock High School.

Getting checked for alcohol is now the rule at dances and other social events.

"I'm all for it because if your child isn't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide," parent Barbara Fede said.

Pequannock School District superintendent Dr. Larrie Reynolds said some students' recent behavior left the district no choice.

"It actually came to a head when last year at the graduation senior trip, that we had students who actually couldn't graduate as a result of their drinking," school board member Dr. Larrie Reynolds said.

Pequannock also has an active Breathalyzer test, similar to what would be used during a police traffic stop. It's a little more intrusive, but administrators believe it sends a clear message about their zero-tolerance policy on alcohol abuse.

So far it has worked, and now other districts are following Pequannock's lead.

In fact, Southington High School in Connecticut expanded the program for daily use when a student is suspected of drinking.

"In the world of high school students, any alcohol rating is a reading that is inappropriate," Superintendent Joseph Mirardi said.

Pequannock school officials say because their limited Breathalyzer use has been so effective, they aren't willing to take the program that far just yet.

"We'll leave that for somebody else to decide," Reynolds said. "We're really not going into that area."

However frequently it's used.

"I don't think people will like, drink anymore," Pequannock student Erika Vecchiet said.

It seems the Breathalyzer has at least cleared the air about who is -- and who is not -- welcome at school.

Pequannock school officials say they avoided running into any privacy issues by making students sign a contract which states they must submit to a Breathalyzer if they want to attend a school social event.


Hold it right there citizen!  Even though you have done nothing wrong and I have no probable cause...I KNOW you are a criminal...now bow down and lick my boots!

People...if you don't think we live in a police state, esp. when reading this...please call someone for professional help.

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Wow, this woman took a quote directly from the Police State Manifesto.  You should let the government wiretap your phone, randomly search your house/car/body, and record your Internet traffic, right?  After all, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide!

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Let's put cameras in every room of the house and track her driving...let's see how she likes getting ticked for every little wrong thing she ever does then.

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Don't you hate it when some one totally invades your privacy?  Like when you go to a LAN and leave to go get some food...but when you return some one has installed AOL on your computer and put a kabillion (yes that's a real number) shortcuts to it on your desktop.


...now that's something that is going to be brought up in bobs eulogy.

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As much as I'd love to lay claim to that moment of sheer l33tness, I'm afraid I have to decline.  I may have taken a screenshot of your desktop, set it as your background, and hid your icons and start menu, but I don't think I was responsible for the rogue AOL installation. 

More than likely, it was Shizza who was responsible for that.

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I know at one of Briney's LANs we installed AOL on Andrew's comp and Ctrl+A and Enter everything on his desktop.  Sooo many games and programs opened up it was hilarious!

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CHINO - San Bernardino County prosecutors have filed criminal charges against a man and woman suspected of producing and selling illegal homemade cheese, some of which was contaminated with a harmful bacteria.
Authorities say Floribel Hernandez Cuenca, 31, and Manuel Martin Sanchez-Garrido, 44, manufactured the so-called "bathtub cheese" inside a home in Montclair, and then sold it in an open-air market outside a Chino meat-processing facility.

At least some of the cheese confiscated by authorities was tainted with salmonella, a bacteria known to cause illness, Deputy District Attorney Jeremy Carrasco said.

"I think that the possibility that somebody could become sick is increased when people start manufacturing and selling cheese products out of their home," Carrasco said.

Cuenca and Sanchez-Garrido are each charged with a felony count of processing unpasteurized milk products and a misdemeanor count of selling illegal milk products, both violations of the state's Food and Agriculture Code.

The pair is to be arraigned Jan. 24 in Chino Superior Court.

Carrasco said an undercover police officer bought a round of cheese for $13 from Sanchez-Garrido on Oct. 20 at the market in the 7300 block of Pine Avenue.

Sanchez-Garrido then led police to Cuenca, who took officers to a Montclair home where the cheese was being produced, Carrasco said.

Authorities seized some 375 pounds of illegal cheese, included panela,

queso fresco and queso Oaxaca varieties, according to the California Department of Food and Agriculture.
Prosecutors filed charges against the pair last week.

The felony carries a maximum penalty of a $10,000 fine and a year in jail.



Wow!  Thank God we're safe from these lactose banditos!  How did mankind survive without FDA inspectors for all those hundreds of years?

Just give these guys a fine and tell them not to do it again.  Jail time is retarded, and a felony charge is absolutely insane!

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A couple of years ago, Michael T. Arnold landed at the Los Angeles International Airport after a 20-hour flight from the Philippines. He had his laptop with him, and a customs officer took a look at what was on his hard drive. Clicking on folders called “Kodak pictures” and “Kodak memories,” the officer found child pornography.

The search was not unusual: the government contends that it is perfectly free to inspect every laptop that enters the country, whether or not there is anything suspicious about the computer or its owner. Rummaging through a computer’s hard drive, the government says, is no different than looking through a suitcase.

One federal appeals court has agreed, and a second seems ready to follow suit.

There is one lonely voice on the other side. In 2006, Judge Dean D. Pregerson of Federal District Court in Los Angeles suppressed the evidence against Mr. Arnold.

“Electronic storage devices function as an extension of our own memory,” Judge Pregerson wrote, in explaining why the government should not be allowed to inspect them without cause. “They are capable of storing our thoughts, ranging from the most whimsical to the most profound.”

Computer hard drives can include, Judge Pregerson continued, diaries, letters, medical information, financial records, trade secrets, attorney-client materials and — the clincher, of course — information about reporters’ “confidential sources and story leads.”

But Judge Pregerson’s decision seems to be headed for reversal. The three judges who heard the arguments in October in the appeal of his decision seemed persuaded that a computer is just a container and deserves no special protection from searches at the border. The same information in hard-copy form, their questions suggested, would doubtless be subject to search.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va., took that position in a 2005 decision. It upheld the conviction of John W. Ickes Jr., who crossed the Canadian border with a computer containing child pornography. A customs agent’s suspicions were raised, the court’s decision said, “after discovering a video camera containing a tape of a tennis match which focused excessively on a young ball boy.”

It is true that the government should have great leeway in searching physical objects at the border. But the law requires a little more — a “reasonable suspicion” — when the search is especially invasive, as when the human body is involved.

Searching a computer, said Jennifer M. Chacón, a law professor at the University of California, Davis, “is fairly intrusive.” Like searches of the body, she said, such “an invasive search should require reasonable suspicion.”

An interesting supporting brief filed in the Arnold case by the Association of Corporate Travel Executives and the Electronic Frontier Foundation said there have to be some limits on the government’s ability to acquire information.

“Under the government’s reasoning,” the brief said, “border authorities could systematically collect all of the information contained on every laptop computer, BlackBerry and other electronic device carried across our national borders by every traveler, American or foreign.” That is, the brief said, “simply electronic surveillance after the fact.”

The government went even further in the case of Sebastien Boucher, a Canadian who lives in New Hampshire. Mr. Boucher crossed the Canadian border by car about a year ago, and a customs agent noticed a laptop in the back seat.

Asked whether he had child pornography on his laptop, Mr. Boucher said he was not sure. He said he downloaded a lot of pornography but deleted child pornography when he found it.

Some of the files on Mr. Boucher’s computer were encrypted using a program called Pretty Good Privacy, and Mr. Boucher helped the agent look at them, apparently by entering an encryption code. The agent said he saw lots of revolting pornography involving children.

The government seized the laptop. But when it tried to open the encrypted files again, it could not. A grand jury instructed Mr. Boucher to provide the password.

But a federal magistrate judge quashed that subpoena in November, saying that requiring Mr. Boucher to provide it would violate his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Last week, the government appealed.

The magistrate judge, Jerome J. Niedermeier of Federal District Court in Burlington, Vt., used an analogy from Supreme Court precedent. It is one thing to require a defendant to surrender a key to a safe and another to make him reveal its combination.

The government can make you provide samples of your blood, handwriting and the sound of your voice. It can make you put on a shirt or stand in a lineup. But it cannot make you testify about facts or beliefs that may incriminate you, Judge Niedermeier said.

“The core value of the Fifth Amendment is that you can’t be made to speak in ways that indicate your guilt,” Michael Froomkin, a law professor at the University of Miami, wrote about the Boucher case on his Discourse.net blog.

But Orin S. Kerr, a law professor at the George Washington University, said Judge Niedermeier had probably gotten it wrong. “In a normal case,” Professor Kerr said in an interview, “there would be a privilege.” But given what Mr. Boucher had already done at the border, he said, making him provide the password again would probably not violate the Fifth Amendment.

There are all sorts of lessons in these cases. One is that the border seems be a privacy-free zone. A second is that encryption programs work. A third is that you should keep your password to yourself. And the most important, as my wife keeps telling me, is that you should leave your laptop at home.


If they ever find Spanky's hard drive...they could take out 90% of the gay porn off the net!

Seriously though, I've always wondered this and maybe someone could answer.  Yes I know we live in an age of the PATRIOT ACT and warrants mean little anymore.  But how is legal for govt agents to go through your luggage and search without a warrant?

I could perfectly understand if TSA was airport personnel.  Then it would be perfectly legal since they have the right to set the rules under an agreement between consumer and producer.  However TSA is run, and I use that term loosely, by the fed. govt.  So don't they need a warrant, even prior to 9/11, to search your bags and other things?

I really think this whole laptop deal should have the same rules applied to it as a locked trunk or glove box or lock box has for your car.  Officers need a warrant if they have probably cause to search.

I really love most of our legal system...I just wish we would apply it logically.

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WTF, my hard drive isn't that big...60% at most!

As far as this goes, they found 1 guy with child porn (yes that is a very bad thing and he should be shot) but how many laptops have they searched.  If the laptop wasn't a bomb (which a grand total of zero have been...) then there is no need to search any further.
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Unfortunately, "probable cause" goes out the window once you willingly step foot into an airport.  I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's the way it is.

Legally, I see no reason why data on a computer is any more sacrosanct than data in hard copy.  As a geek, I cringe a bit to say that, but if it is legal to search through a briefcase it shouldn't be any less legal to search through a laptop.

Like the last gentleman in the article, be smart enough to encrypt the stuff you don't want the .Gov seeing.  Just don't be stupid enough to tell the border patrol that you might have something illegal on your lapper.

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I wonder if you have to tell them your passwords though?

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You certainly shouldn't have to.  As the article stated, the Supreme Court has upheld the principle that you can be forced to turn over the keys to your safe, but not the combination.  In other words, the .gov could make you turn over your smart card and possibly even biometric data (retina scans, fingerprints, etc.) but not your password or your encryption key.

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I would rule...no permission, no probable cause, no warrant = no look!

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Truth News | January 8, 2008
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In Garfield County, Colorado, not only will the state determine if you should take your child to a doctor after a mishap, but if you don't comply with their on-high directives, they will dispatch a SWAT team to ensure compliance.

According to Tom Shiflett, a Vietnam vet, his son was injured during horseplay, WorldNetDaily reports. Shiflett's son, John, "was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head�. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems."

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After a neighbor called an ambulance, paramedics "were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."

    According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

    The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

But this was not sufficient for the sheriff's office and social services. "Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team" were subsequently unleashed in response, "punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy� accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak."

It appears Shiflett and his family were made an example, as in part they "live by faith and homeschool," social behavior anathema to the NWO and its minions in Colorado government and so-called social services and various control commissariats, conversely known as child kidnapping services.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER � it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman for the Home School Legal Defense Association told WND.

During the SWAT raid for non-compliance, the "boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed� all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves."

Of course, caring for your own is unacceptable, same as it was in the Soviet Union. Mr. Shiflett and his family learned first-hand that all of us are serfs and when the state barks "jump," our only response should be "how high, sir?" Our children are property of the state and we will not be allowed to care for them � or for that matter, school them at home � and government intervention will be mandatory, otherwise SWAT goons will be dispatched to kick in the door and act like what they are, Gestapo goons revisited.


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Come on, kids bounce right back!

When I was in 6th or 7th grade I was chaseing another kid at the bus stop and about to throw a snow ball at him, but when I did I thought I planted my right foot the ice had other plans.  Long story short I fell and looked like a total tard.  But I got up, used my gym shirt to clean the blood and got on the bus when it got there.

Now if I wanted to go to the ER I could have called my parents and they would have taken me, but I didn't need it.  Now I know some might say "but he is just a kid!", but I think even kids know the difference between an ouch and a hey that's serious.
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If you can't see the jagged edges of your femur through the skin and you aren't gushing blood like a bad Kill Bill rip-off, you don't need to go to the hospital.

Something tells me there is more to that story than meets the eye, however.

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Yeah I was pretty sure this is what the story left out:

Dad: He is ok, I can take care of him.
Paramedic Dude:  No, he has to go to the hospital.
Dad:  No, I can take care of it.
Paramedic Dude:  Fine, then I will take him from you!
Dad:  You do and I will kill you.

And from there SWAT.
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Deactivated gun ban 'by year end'


The 11-year-old was shot as he walked home from football practice

The home secretary has unveiled plans to ban deactivated guns this year, on a visit to the Liverpool suburb where schoolboy Rhys Jones was murdered.

Jacqui Smith said she wanted to protect the public and allow police to remove black-market firearms from the streets.

She is also expected to meet the parents of 11-year-old Rhys Jones, who was shot dead on 22 August while returning home from football practice.

Gangs and gun crime, both prevalent in the area, will be top of the agenda.

"We already have the tightest controls in Europe but there is more we can do "

- --Home Secretary Jacqui Smith


Who supplies the guns?

Ms Smith said: "I want to balance protecting the public with the rights of responsible collectors of deactivated firearms.

"I will shortly consult on a way forward to allow genuine curators to collect legitimate firearms while giving the police and other enforcement agencies the powers they need to get black-market firearms of our streets.

"Tackling gun crime is key to making people feel safer and more secure in their communities. We already have the tightest controls in Europe but there is more we can do to remove the threat of gun crime."

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Typically, a deactivated gun has its barrel sawn down the middle and a metal rod is then welded inside to make it incapable of discharging a bullet.

The breech block - which contains the mechanism to actually fire the bullet - is ground down so there is no firing pin.

And many replica guns can be easily converted to enable them to fire live ammunition.

"It is a big loophole in our firearms legislation "

- --Gill Marshall-Andrews, Gun Control Network

The proposal to make converted or deactivated guns illegal comes after a huge increase in the amount of model and pellet guns to have been converted to fire live ammunition.

The police have said there are an estimated 120,000 in circulation in the UK.

Government ministers look set to reclassify them as replica guns, which are already banned.

The move will affect weapons which were deactivated before 1995, when new standards made it harder to convert non-firing guns back into lethal weapons.

But police say many firearms currently being used in crime were deactivated before that time.

Collector implications

A Home Office spokesman said any new law brought in following the home secretary's announcement would relate "almost entirely" to pre-1995 guns.

Ms Smith also said she wanted to "balance protecting the public with the rights of responsible collectors of deactivated firearms".

Her visit to Liverpool comes as police raids saw 25 people arrested on suspicion of supplying Class A drugs in the Croxteth and Norris Green areas of the city.

The Home Office is also to consider the implications for museums with collections of antique weapons.

Gill Marshall-Andrews of the Gun Control Network said: "We are delighted, this has been on our agenda for a long time. It is a big loophole in our firearms legislation."

Rhys' parents, Stephen Jones, 44, and Melanie Jones, 41, are likely to hold a private meeting with the home secretary.

Rhys was shot in the neck and despite a number of arrests nobody has been charged with the schoolboy's murder.

His parents have repeatedly called for the gunman to hand himself in.


Let's see...  Guns are already illegal, but people are still being murdered.  I know!  Let's ban guns that have been intentionally rendered incapable of firing.  That should stop all the murder, right?!

I would love to know how somebody can covert a $20 pellet gun to shoot live ammunition.  Something tells me the only way that gun would kill someone would be when it blew up in the owner's face.

Also, the article never mentioned how the boy was killed.  Was a deactivated gun used, or is this just another irrational ploy to stir up support for more useless gun legislation?

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Jacqui Smith in the street with a deactivated rifle.


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I thought it was Professor Plum in the library with a wrench?

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That movie rocks!


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The DVD has three different endings, and one of the two "optional" endings is by far better than the original theatrical ending.  If you're up for an old-fashioned comedy, rent (or download) the DVD and check them out.

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Tags: at and t, CES, content filtering, Copyright, digital fingerprinting, NBC, piracy
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For the last 15 years, Internet service providers have acted - to use an old cliche - as wide-open information super-highways, letting data flow uninterrupted and unimpeded between users and the Internet.

But I.S.P.’s may be about to embrace a new metaphor: traffic cop.

At a small panel discussion about digital piracy at NBC’s booth on the Consumer Electronics Show floor, representatives from NBC, Microsoft, several digital filtering companies and the telecom giant AT&T said the time was right to start filtering for copyrighted content at the network level.

Such filtering for pirated material already occurs on sites like YouTube and Microsoft’s Soapbox, and on some university networks.

Network-level filtering means your Internet service provider – Comcast, AT&T, EarthLink, or whoever you send that monthly check to – could soon start sniffing your digital packets, looking for material that infringes on someone’s copyright.

“What we are already doing to address piracy hasn’t been working. There’s no secret there,” said James Cicconi, senior vice president, external & legal affairs for AT&T.

Mr. Cicconi said that AT&T has been talking to technology companies, and members of the M.P.A.A. and R.I.A.A., for the last six months about carrying out digital fingerprinting techniques on the network level.

“We are very interested in a technology based solution and we think a network-based solution is the optimal way to approach this,” he said. “We recognize we are not there yet but there are a lot of promising technologies. But we are having an open discussion with a number of content companies, including NBC Universal, to try to explore various technologies that are out there.”

Internet civil rights organizations oppose network-level filtering, arguing that it amounts to Big Brother monitoring of free speech, and that such filtering could block the use of material that may fall under fair-use legal provisions — uses like parody, which enrich our culture.

Rick Cotton, the general counsel of NBC Universal, who has led the company’s fights against companies like YouTube for the last three years, clearly doesn’t have much tolerance for that line of thinking.

“The volume of peer-to-peer traffic online, dominated by copyrighted materials, is overwhelming. That clearly should not be an acceptable, continuing status,” he said. “The question is how we collectively collaborate to address this.”

I asked the panelists how they would respond to objections from their customers over network level filtering – for example, the kind of angry outcry Comcast saw last year, when it was accused of clamping down on BitTorrent traffic on its network.

“Whatever we do has to pass muster with consumers and with policy standards. There is going to be a spotlight on it,” said Mr. Cicconi of AT&T.

After the session, he told me that I.S.P.’s like AT&T would have to handle such network filtering delicately, and do more than just stop an upload dead in its tracks, or send a legalistic cease and desist form letter to a customer. “We’ve got to figure out a friendly way to do it, there’s no doubt about it,” he said.


Well, this really gets my blood boiling.  Hopefully, ISP's will start losing their "common carrier" protection under the DMCA because of this.  That will certainly be interesting...

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I have always wondered why the democrats had huge spending associated with them. I think it has to to with the fact that they funnel most funds to domestic things, social programs, etc. They do so with increase in taxes. Either way, how much do you think the US can actually borrow before creditors are going to start wondering if it can be paid back.
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As soon as we run out of land to give towards our debt is when they'll stop giving.

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Reply #965 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 1:07pm
 
That's a nice chart.  Pretty colors.  Very shocking.

Unfortunately, it's also completely fictitious.

Don't get me wrong, Bush has definitely jacked our debt into the atmosphere, but I have absolutely no clue where the author of that graph got their numbers (outside of liberal fantasy land).

Here's a chart that's based on actual economic numbers.

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In short, both parties suck at spending.  On average, no party is any better than the other.  The only thing to extrapolate from this data is that Bush sucks worse than the rest.

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Its the same darn chart. the one i posted just shows increase in debt, noone has reduced it.
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The only way that chart would be even moderately useful is if it was contrasted against the gross domestic product over those same years.

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Well 60% of the time, bob is wrong everytime.


I got a pie chart that proves it!


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That's nasty.

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It's not nasty, it's pie.

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I just thought of an amazing new idea!

Has anyone ever seen a pie with cake filling?  I am going to be a millionaire!
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My favorite type of pie is Kentucky Derby.  It's essentially a pie with a cookie filling.

How much does that rock?

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It's not science-fiction. It's a real technology and it cannot be allowed to happen or privacy will vanish.

Today, I have a temperature of 99 degrees Fahrenheit, a headache, my blood pressure is 100 over 71, and my heart-heat is around 90 beats per minute. I have felt better. Now, if Microsoft's plan goes the way it wants, my Windows computer will soon be reporting all of that, and more, to my boss.

This isn't science fiction. This isn't a remake of George Orwell's "1984." This is the future, according to a recently filed Microsoft patent. Let's call the product that might come from this patent Windows You. It is, as you'll see, an apt name.

In Microsoft's vision of tomorrow's office, according to a report in the London Times, our computers will be constantly monitoring us with wireless sensors. There's nothing new about Big Brother software. Programs that measure how many keystrokes we make per minute are old hat. If you work in an office and think for one moment that your e-mail, instant messaging or Web-browsing habits are in some way secret, you're a fool.

But, in Microsoft's new world, Windows You will not only be measuring medical biometrics, it will also be monitoring your metabolism. Are you logy after a big lunch? Windows You will be letting your boss know. Overweight? Had a drink at lunch? Falling asleep at the keyboard? Gotcha, gotcha and gotcha.

There's more. Let's say you're upset, and you've got an angry look on your face, Windows You will be reporting on that too. Did you start feeling angry when you read the e-mail that your co-worker was promoted? Big brother Microsoft and your manager will know that too.

What? You say that's not why you were angry? Are you sure? Because Windows You will also be measuring your galvanic skin response. What do you get when you put galvanic skin measurements with blood pressure readings? You get a lie detector.

And you thought drug tests to get a job was a bad idea.

Microsoft's patent application suggests that all this information will only be used so that management will be better able to help you in your job. Right. If you believe that you'll also believe that you had to burn down the village to save it.

This is the most breathtaking business invasion of privacy that I have ever seen seriously suggested. With this system, nothing, and I mean nothing, about your life will remain private.

No, I'm not being over-dramatic. Take all the information about you that's already available from corporate communications monitoring, cross-reference it in a SQL Server database with the biometric information from Windows You, and a sufficiently nosy boss can tell how you feel about your husband or wife, about how well, or not, you're doing with quitting smoking, and, last but never least, how you feel about your job.

Never mind whether you're doing a good job. If the boss decides that your attitude is wrong -- "The machines don't lie," he or she will say -- and out on the street you'll go, where your next would-be employer might want to look at your Windows You records to see if you're healthy enough to do your office job.

Of course, if the government, under the Patriot Act of 2011, got this information, life as we know it, is over. "Tell me Mr. Bradbury, you seemed 'happy' on June 12th just after the news of the Amtrak terrorist bombing arrived on your desktop news feed. Do you really expect us to believe that it was because June had agreed to marry you the night before? What are you hiding?"

We like to talk about the long, slippery slope of losing rights, of losing our privacy. This technology isn't a slope. It's a sheer drop to the world of Big Brother. It cannot, it must not, be allowed to be used in any business.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-wants-to-your-Big-Brother/


Although I highly doubt this kind of technology will ever see the light of day, it's pretty scare nonetheless that anybody would even consider this as a viable project.  It's fortunate that such a product would be ridiculously expensive, nearly impossible to maintain, and that most workers would flat-out refuse to use it.

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And knowing Microsoft it would report you both alive and dead, with leprosy, running the Olympic games, and bleeding out of every poor with a temperature of -2.

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Yeah, I hope Microsoft never goes into the pacemaker industry.  Considering the infamous inaccuracy of "Windows Time," the patients wouldn't last a minute.

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Could you image them in the medical community?

Dr. 1 - WE'RE CRASHING!!!
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Dr. 1 - No I mean Windows just crashed on us!

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Imagine what a pain it would be to install security patches every four weeks...

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Yeah, yeah. I make websites. Once upon a time, I ran a huge network of over 50 proxy websites. They were cool and all, but eventually they absorbed a ton of server usage and, since there really wasn’t much of a ROI given that I couldn’t find an ad network that could fulfill the “should-be-doing-work-rather-than-browsing-blocked-websites” demographic, I wasn’t making sufficient money. The CTR with Adsense was hopeless, not to mention that each proxy, one by one, started getting blocked by the big guys. By ‘big guys’ I mean Websense and rest of the shit ton of “Network Security” softwares. So there really was no light at the end of the tunnel, and I shut them all down.

Anyways, just a few weeks ago, I made a new proxy. A private proxy, nothing of commercial value, but one that I, along with a small group of friends, would personally use. It was called “Afnani’s Moo Proxy”, and was located at robertafnani.com/moo/ (now offline, but if you really care you can check it out at robertafnani.com/mooold/).

Before long, a lot of people in my school, and even other schools in the area caught wind of it, and basically everyone at Langley HS started using it. How could I tell, you ask? Well, it’s kinda obvious with Awstats shows only a few unique IP addresses accessing the site, yet a shit ton of pageloads and gigabytes upon gigabytes of bandwidth usage. Great. I made a proxy on my domain name and now its the shit everyone’s talking about. I must be a badass now.

Langley stinks.

This is when everything starts to go raw. Just the other day, I was pulled into an administrator’s office (whose name shall be undisclosed), and slapped in the face with a possible suspension. I am accused of violating my rights as a student, and intentionally attempting to disturb the learning environment of students in my school.

I was accused of breaking the law. Of providing a means for students to do illegal activities in school. And I got all the blame. Supposedly, if students were reading instructions, and I quote, on “how to make a bomb”, I’m the one who should be facing criminal prosecution, as I’m the one who provided all the means for retrieving the information.

Of course, I tried to argue my way out of it. Proxies are perfectly legal to create. I can do whatever the hell I want outside of school, especially if it involves my job, which takes part mostly on the Internet.

Much to my dismay, however, apparently I have no rights at FCPS schools. I asked the administrator and the tech guy (who, if I may add, is a great guy, and not the one at fault here) to point out on the Student Network Access Agreement what policy/rule I violated. They refused to, because there was no law that made what I did ‘illegal’. I wasn’t hacking the network, I wasn’t dickin’ around with the hardware; I made a damn website, and no where on the entire agreement does it say anything about not being able to make websites outside of school.

Being the one with lower hand, I had to submit to their will, so as to not get into any more trouble. In the end, my computer account at school was banned, but the verbal abuse and harassment to me was worse. Hell, I was pulled out of class during my final exam for the first semester of Philosophy, so who knows what grade I’m going to be getting on that test. And I was facing a possible suspension from the school premises for doing this.

I’m the little man in this situation: my school thinks they have all the power in the world, and there’s nothing I can do about it. I am now forced to take all my proxies offline, otherwise I face “repeat network abuse” and will get in a LOT of trouble (recommendation for expulsion, anyone?).

Langley High School has no right to do this. Suppose “robertafnani.com” wasn’t the domain for this proxy. I’m damn sure the IT guys wouldn’t WHOIS the proxy and attempt to arrest/accuse the owner of commiting a crime. I feel as though I am discriminated against, and that my school’s actions against me were unjust. They’re abusing their power and if I can’t get any help from the press, then there’s no stopping this administration.

Worst part is that now I’m tagged as being a ‘computer hacker’ and a ‘potential threat’ to the school system. A mass email was sent out from the administrator who accused me of this to all the teachers, administrators, librarians, etc in the entire school, which basically says I’m a criminal and I need to be watched when getting within a 10-foot radius of a computer.

I find it unfair that Fairfax County Public Schools feels they can impose this kind of totalitarianism on me, I’m now a criminal for making proxies. For making a website. A legal website. On my private server. Outside of school. Great.

God help me.


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MediaMaster wrote on Feb 1st, 2008 at 11:09am:
I hope this attention helps the guys cause and the school apologizes for their stupidity.


Bahahahahahahaha!  Oh ho!  That's frickin' rich!

The funniest part of this guy's story was how strikingly familiar it sounded!

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A good point made:

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Some intelligence agencies are starting to think that maybe bin Laden hasn't been alive for a long time:

    Questions about Bin Laden are being raised by intelligence officials who say that without a specific time mark with a photo of Bin Laden, his presence cannot be confirmed and the most recent statements could have been put together from older audio.

Yes, and that has been true since Tora Bora. Haven't these people ever wondered, or speculated why bin Laden, who was second only to Senator Schumer when it came to being a camera hog, all of a sudden switched from video to audio about six years ago? Even if he said things that seemed to indicate knowledge of recent events, that could have been done by splicing and manipulating an audio tape, or finding someone to imitate his voice. Maybe they've been using voice prints, but I don't know how reliable they really are. I do know that it's a lot harder to fake a video, and when I consider the fact that we've heard only audios, and not seen a new video (at least one that can be shown to be from a post-2002 period) I have long thought that he's been pushing up poppies since then.

Of course, the other reason that I've long thought that he's dead is that our so-called intelligence agencies--the same ones that subverted our pressure on Iran last fall with their "intelligence" estimate that they're not building a bomb--have continued to tell me that he's alive. To me, the question is not whether or not he's alive, but why so many in the so-called intelligence community have been so determined to continue to attempt to convince us that he is for the past six years.


You mean the guy who needed constant treatments for diabetes might be dead?!  Shocked

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Hi, I'm Wilford Brimly...
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Did you post that in the wrong topic spanky?
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Wilford Brimley is acceptable in any thread.  Geek law.

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           BUENA PARK, Calif. (AP) - Southern Baptist pastor Wiley Drake said Wednesday that he is being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service for his endorsement of GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee in a press release written on church stationery.

Under federal tax law, church officials may legally discuss politics, but they cannot endorse candidates or parties without putting their tax-exempt status at risk. Most who do so receive only a warning.

Drake, a prominent pastor in the Southern Baptist Convention, said he received a 14-page letter from the IRS on Feb. 7.

IRS spokesman Rafael Tulino said Wednesday that he could not comment.

On Aug. 11, Drake wrote a press release on letterhead from the First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park that announced his personal endorsement of Huckabee, who also is an ordained Baptist minister.

"After very serious prayer and consideration, I announce today that I am going to personally endorse Mike Huckabee," the release said. "I ask all of my Southern Baptist brothers and sister to consider getting behind Mike and helping him all you can."

He added: "I believe God has chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike Huckabee will listen to God."

Two days later, Wiley repeated his endorsement on his church-based Internet show, "The Wiley Drake Show."

A complaint was filed with the IRS by Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

"I commend the IRS for investigating Pastor Drake's flagrant abuse of church resources," Barry Lynn, executive director for Americans United, said in a statement.

Drake defended his news release and comments on the talk show, saying that he was only offering his personal endorsement of Huckabee—not the church's.

"I think I'm perfectly within my rights and I am upset," he said in an interview.

His attorney, Eric Stanley, said Drake and other pastors have a right to free speech, even in politics.

"They can feel free to personally endorse candidates. It was not a church endorsement and he made that very clear," said Stanley, who is representing Drake on behalf of the Alliance Defense Fund.


It's so nice to see the abolition of freedom of spee....

I wish churches would realize that they are already exempt and don't need a 401(c)3.  What's next...not being able to condemn something the Bible condemns?  Not being able to say that Jesus is THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Light?  Let's see them try that on Muslims.

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Here's a follow-up on an article I posted earlier about Berkeley effectively booting the Marine Corps recruiters from the city...


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Bill Stops Berkeley Earmarks and Transfers Funds to Marine Corps

Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senators James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma), Jim DeMint
(R-South Carolina), Saxby Chambliss (R-Georgia), Tom Coburn, M.D.
(R-Oklahoma), John Cornyn (R-Texas), and David Vitter (R-Louisiana)
introduced the Semper Fi Act of 2008. The bill would rescind over $2 million
in hidden earmarks for Berkeley, California in the 2008 Omnibus
Appropriations bill, and transfer the funds to the Marine Corps. U.S.
Congressman John Campbell (R-California) is introducing a companion bill in
the House of Representatives.

Last week, the City Council of Berkeley voted to oust Marine Corps recruiters from their downtown office, saying the Marines were "uninvited and unwelcome intruders." Berkeley officials also voted to give the radical protest group Code Pink space outside the recruitment office and urged them to "impede, passively or actively" the work of Marine Corps recruiters.

One earmark provides $243,000 in taxpayer dollars for the organization Chez Panisse < <http://www.chezpanisse.com/>;
http://www.chezpanisse.com/ > <http://www.chezpanisse.com/>; to create gourmet organic school lunches in the Berkeley School District. Chez Panisse is dedicated to "environmental harmony" and their menu features "Comté cheese soufflé with mâche salad," "Meyer lemon éclairs with huckleberry coulis," and "Chicory salad with creamy anchovy vinaigrette and olive toast."

Another earmark would spend $975,000 in taxpayer dollars for the University of California in Berkeley Matsui Center for Politics and Public Service, to create a new endowment and cataloging the papers of Congressman Robert Matsui. U.C. Berkeley currently already has a $3.5 billion endowment.

Senator Inhofe: "Unfortunately, those on the Berkeley city council do not seem to understand the sacrifice of the brave men and women of the United States Marine Corps. By interfering with military recruiting, the city of Berkeley is hampering our ability to protect this nation. While the city of Berkeley and the protestors are free to say whatever they like, free speech is not a protection from consequence."

Senator DeMint: "Berkeley needs to learn that their actions have
consequences. Patriotic American taxpayers won't sit quietly while Berkeley insults our brave Marines and tries to run them out of town. Berkeley City Council members have shown complete ingratitude to our military and their families, and the city doesn't deserve a single dime of special pet project handouts."

Senator Cornyn: "The Berkeley City Council insulted our troops and offended people across the country. If the U.S. Marines are not good enough for Berkeley, neither are taxpayer dollars Congress would have sent there this year. That city closed its doors on the same individuals taking bullets on the front lines while fighting for the safety and freedom of families in Berkeley and throughout America."

Senator Vitter: "The actions of the City Council of Berkeley are in stark
contrast to beliefs of the vast majority of Americans who recognize and honor the service and sacrifice of our U.S. Marines. This is simply unacceptable and those funds could be better utilized by the Marine Corps."

Dr. Coburn: "The actions by the city of Berkeley are deplorable and insulting to those who are serving and those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect the very freedoms that are being exercised to insult them. I know I stand with the majority of Americans in thanking our service men and women for their selfless service to our nation."

Senator Chambliss: "We need to send a strong message that our military personnel deserve our strongest support. Georgia is a proud military state, and my constituents will be out outraged to know that during a time of war, their taxpayers dollars have been used to reward folks who have insulted and disparaged those who defend this nation every day."



The only thing that angers me more than Berkley's antics is the fact that the federal government is using my tax dollars to feed couscous to a bunch of dirty hippies in California.  Honestly, I almost wish I hadn't learned that.

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While I don't agree with what Berkeley is doing I have to be more sickened that the federal government is using taxpayer money as extortion to get Berkeley "in line".  This is why the federal govt should be small and the state of California should decided if the city should get that money.  A the Constitution...a thing of the past...torn to shreds by indifference and no one reading it.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=233_1203031330

Wow...firefighters aren't even safe from today's stormtroopers. 

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NEWBURY - A Newbury man is facing charges after a cache of weapons is found in his home.

Police responding to a 911 call on Sunday evening found a .50-caliber gun, a .45-caliber pistol, numerous rifles, knives, bows and arrows and a sword in the Hanover Street home.

Police say many of the firearms were loaded and within easy reach of two children.

David Balkus was charged with 25 counts of improperly storing firearms, two counts of recklessly endangering a child and possession of a dangerous weapon.

The 48-year-old Balkus was held on $100,000 cash bail and is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Newburyport District Court.

Police are investigating whether Balkus had permits for the weapons.


Although I'm sure this article left out a few salient points, I'd love to to know what this gentleman did that was illegal.

I will store my guns in my house in whatever way I damn well please.

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Another good question is how did the police find out about his collection.  Also, unless the gun were in the kids beds and were being used as spoons for their cereal at breakfast...I don't know how you can say they were there to recklessly endanger children.  I wonder what the law says about proper storage too.

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That's where he got busted - MA law states that all firearms must be stored in a locked container unless being worn or actively used.  The law specifically states that a locked house and a locked room do not count.  Even trigger/cable locks aren't sufficient, for some unexplainable reason.

That's what prompted me to say, "I will store my guns in my house in whatever way I damn well please."

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In a bizarre turn of events, Pakistan's attempts to block its citizens from accessing Google-owned YouTube wound up sending the video-sharing site into a "black hole" and exposing some fundamental weaknesses of the Internet architecture.

It's not clear what YouTube video spurred the Pakistani action. Leading contenders include a film by Dutch anti-Islamic politicthe story, wrote in a blog, "There will definitely be some fallout from this. It would seem that all it takes to hijack a Web site globally is for a telecoms firm to instruct its ISPs that they now run a domain, and for one of those ISPs to announce that globally. So that other ISPs follow suit in a piggyback chain of confusion."

What happened exactly? The answer has to do with some fairly low-level details in how data moves across the Internet and the "enormous responsibility large ISPs have in routing packets," said Andrew Storms, director of security Relevant Products/Services operations for nCircle Network Security, in an e-mail.

Trust Agreements Violated

"When ISPs talk to each other, they use BGP (Border Gateway Protocol) to agree how traffic on the Internet should flow to be the most efficient. Part of that agreement is like showing your cards in a game of Go Fish," he said. "Comcast trusts that AT&T is telling the truth and trying to do the right thing, and vice versa."

But what happens when one party -- the Pakistani ISP in this case -- starts lying, either intentionally or unintentionally? That misinformation gets propagated across the Net and believed by all the other ISPs.

"For example, a nefarious ISP on the Internet could at any time start telling all their Internet peers that they host whitehouse.gov and they are the best place to send all packets wanting to reach whitehouse.gov. If the ISPs which neighbor that nefarious ISP have a trust relationship, then there might be no reason to second-guess that announcement. And likewise the neighbors of neighbors will start hearing that information as well. What happens then could be a cascade effect of essentially taking whitehouse.gov off the Internet, what we typically call a black hole."

Safeguards in effect

Naturally there has been speculation that this event was intentional, raising the spectre of hostile governments black-holing critical U.S. or European government sites. But, Storms said, the risk of this is pretty well mitigated.

"The threat of blackholing a network in this manner is not new by any means. However, there are both technical and human safeguards in effect to prevent such actions from having deep penetrating effects," he said.


Wow.  I'm not sure what is scarier, major telecom companies trusting Pakistan's DNS information, or the fact that Pakistan tried to block access to YouTube from their citizens simply by changing YouTube's DNS entry on their network.

Any Pakistani that uses an outside DNS server (12.127.16.68 or 12.127.17.72, for example) should have no problem getting to YouTube.  If any Pakistanis are reading this, send me an e-mail if you need to help making this change.

I'd imagine this is going to be taken up with ICANN, who could end pulling the ISP's license to assign IP addresses.  Honestly, I don't have a real big problem in kicking most of the Middle East off the Internet.  If they aren't open to the ideal of free information and open collaboration, they can make their own network.

How sad is it major sections of multiple continents never make it past the crusades in terms of culture, social progress, and politics?  They want to live in the Dark Ages and enjoy the benefits of the Renaissance at the same time.

When Musharraf was dictator and ruled the country with an iron fist, YouTube thrived in Pakistan.  Now the dictator has stepped down, democracy is reborn, and YouTube is banned.  What am I missing here?


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Just imagine other countries doing this.  The Vatican shutting off access from Comedy Central because South Park showed jesus pooing on a bunch of people.  How about Israel cutting off the internet because Muslim TV ran a mouse being killed by an "evil Jew" in front of a little Muslim girl.  I would hate to see the day when Muslims had such a strong reach into the Western worlds.  It's already getting close in places like the UK and England especially.

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http://valleywag.com/360376/pakistan-bans-youtube-for-hosting-these-videos-of-mu...

These are supposedly the two videos that caused the Pakies to ban YouTube.

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The heads of the biggest gas and electricity companies are being ordered by the Government to hand over part of their multi-billion pound profits - or face a new windfall tax.
     
An elderly couple: Gas and electricity bosses told 'give back profits'
Charities, including Help the Aged, have expressed their concern at rising fuel bills

The Sunday Telegraph has learnt the chief executives of the utility giants have been summoned to Downing Street and given a dressing-down over the soaring sums being made from millions of customers.

They are being told that, unless they agree to subsidise a new nationwide "fuel poverty" scheme aimed at the 4.5 million poorest households, a levy will be put on their profits. It is understood that the fuel poverty programme is to be unveiled by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, as part of the Budget on March 12.

The Government has moved to curtail what is increasingly seen as "excessive profiteering" by the utilities industry, with customers having to pay soaring household gas and electricity bills.

This comes only weeks after the major energy providers raised prices by as much as 15 per cent. The biggest utility, Centrica, recently announced a £571 million profit from its residential energy business British Gas, which serves 16 million customers.

Campaigners have demanded action against the big utilities, with the union Unison and the National Right to Fuel Campaign describing their profits as "obscene".

The series of Downing Street summits, which are being held over a seven-day period spanning this weekend, reflects frustration in Whitehall about the way the Government - rather than the profit-laden utilities - has become a focus for consumer anger over the failure to control sky-high energy prices.
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Last week, the chief executives of Scottish & Southern Energy, the country's second-largest provider, and Npower, the fourth-biggest, were ordered to attend meetings in Downing Street. The Government was represented by Yvette Cooper, the Permanent Secretary to the Treasury, Malcolm Wicks, the energy minister, and Geoffrey Norris, a No 10 adviser.

Over the next few days, they will be followed by their counterparts at Centrica, Scottish Power, E.On and EDF Energy, which owns the former London Electricity business.

The threat of a windfall tax on profits comes a week after Ofgem, the energy regulator, announced an inquiry into competition.

The Government's move reflects a broader hardening in the stance of industry regulators towards the utilities. National Grid, the company that distributes energy across Britain, was fined £41 million by Ofgem last month for allegedly restricting ­competition in the domestic gas meter market.

National Grid has said it will appeal against the fine, which was among the largest ever imposed on a British company.

Dave Prentis, the Unison chief, said: "Hard-working families are desperately worried about increasing fuel bills. Pensioners are finding it a huge struggle despite winter fuel payments that have been wiped out by these greedy companies."

Lesley Davis, the chairman of the Right to Fuel campaign, claimed energy company profit margins had soared by £2.5 billion in the past three years.

Charities, including Age Concern, Help the Aged, Save the Children and Barnado's, have expressed their concern at the social implications of rising fuel bills.

The major energy companies mounted a fierce defence of their profits and record at supporting poorer consumers.

A British Gas spokesman said its "social tariff", called Essentials, aimed at poorer consumers, had 340,000 customers, with a target to extend it to 750,000.

"To offer further help for up to 25,000 of our most vulnerable customers, British Gas has launched a winter protection package, called Winter Warmer, which includes a rebate of up to £90 and free insulation."

One utilities industry executive said the investment required to overhaul Britain's ageing power stations and other spending on infrastructure would be up to £50 billion during the next decade.

"The Government makes more money out of the energy industry than the companies do because of the tax burden it has placed upon them," said the source.

A Treasury spokesman said: "Taxes are a matter for the Chancellor during the Budget process."

Allan Asher, of the consumer watchdog Energywatch, welcomed the Government's action, but said: "They have left it far too late.

"Companies have been abusing consumers for too long while the Government has stuck its head in the sand. Companies are profiteering from the poor and it is outrageous and immoral."

He claimed tens of thousands of people die every winter from hypothermia and respiratory diseases because they cannot afford adequate heating.


This is why our system (if it were run correctly) is so much better.  In a free market companies strive to provide the best service in order to make the most profit and gain the most customers.  With NannyState here...what's the motivation for the companies to provide the best service if they know the profit ceiling they'd encounter?  What's that old people it's -50 degrees out and you're power and heat are off.  Ya we'll get to it...next quarter.  If we make any more money from offering goods and/or services...the government will take it.

Suck my balls, you socialists.  After all...in your system everyone gets a share whether or not they deserve it.

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The Pentagon has assured residents of Crystal City, Virginia, that the gases they will release downtown on Thursday are completely harmless, while on the other hand secretly hoping that the fearmongering about imminent biological terror attacks the tests are set to generate is contagious.

"The Pentagon is scheduled to release an odorless, invisible, and yes, harmless, gases into the city Thursday to test how quickly they spread through buildings, officials said."

"The test is part of the military's national security preparation for the capital area," reports The Examiner.

The Pentagon will release perfluorocarbon tracers as well as sulfur hexafluoride amongst the general public without their consent, a practice that would otherwise be illegal in a free society.

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Urban Shield: Crystal City Urban Transport Study will be another opportunity for the media to show armed men barking orders at citizens while trusted officials in hazmat suits deal with the deadly outbreak that's "inevitably" going to happen for real somewhere down the line, we are constantly reminded.

Which country or terror group has the capability to release weaponized biological agents other than the government isn't made clear but I presume it's some offshoot of Saddam Hussein's fabled UAV drone armies.

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Since the only biological agents released in the U.S. came directly from Uncle Sam, including the 2001 anthrax attacks, citizens of Crystal City might have pause for thought.

Residents should probably be thankful that the Pentagon at least told them in advance of the tests, unlike the New Yorkers exposed to Bacillus globigii in 1966.

The fact that U.S. veterans were used as guinea pigs for 50 years during tests under the banner of Project SHAD and other programs involving deadly substances, including sarin nerve gas, without their knowledge or consent , reminds us that some were not so lucky.


Can someone tell me how the Pentagon got permission and the power to do this?  Anyone?

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The constitution clearly states that we are the governments bitches.

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X wrote on Mar 2nd, 2008 at 10:51am:
Suck my balls, you socialists.  After all...in your system everyone gets a share whether or not they deserve it.

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From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.  Right?

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WASHINGTON (AP) - FBI Director Robert Mueller says an upcoming Justice Department report will show the bureau improperly used national security letters to obtain personal data on Americans during terror and spy investigations.

Mueller says the report focuses on national security letters issued only in 2006 - a year before the FBI enacted sweeping new reforms to prevent future lapses.

Mueller's comments Wednesday morning in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee came just days before the Justice Department's inspector general is scheduled to release the follow-up to a similar audit in 2007.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.


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90% of all Americans are terrorists.  Supreme government says so!
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Whew, at least we are safe on this forum and no one is crawling the web looking for certain keywords...

like maybe for instance terrorist bomb kill plot president.


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If you get my apartment raided, I'm going to kick your butt.

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I don't want your apartment raided...you grow the best pot there!!

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And instead of going to myspace to troll for underage kiddie porn...the 500lb, 35-50 y/o's just go to bob's house of pron!

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Bob had 5TB of hardcore underage kiddie porn last time I checked with him.

But then there is the really sick stuff he keeps for himself...


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spanky wrote on Mar 5th, 2008 at 2:09pm:
But then there is the really sick stuff he keeps for himself...


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Anytime bob...I live like 5 minutes away from you...and I R Is So Lonely!

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Grab the movie and come on down to my place!
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We'll have to get together sometime, Stewie.

Spanky, when are you going to be back in town?

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I should be back up there second weekend in May I think.

Parents would like to see the car they cosigned on...
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So would we.  Where are the freakin' pictures?

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02c_1204722898&p=1

I know this story has really been going on for a long time now (ARMED Mexican troops entered the US on APCs to "help" New Orleans after the flood) but when do we consider this a true invasion.

What if those 12 million Mexicans who crossed illegally are really undercover Mexican troops who plan to rise up and take us over?!

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Even the US government isn't that organized...let alone mexico!

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Eh, sometime next week.

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If the Mexicans invaded, we would just have to wait until Siesta time and then we could kill them all in their sleep.

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Parents of 166,000 students could face criminal charges
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A "breathtaking" ruling from a California appeals court that could subject the parents of 166,000 students in the state to criminal sanctions will be taken to the state Supreme Court.

The announcement comes today from the Pacific Justice Institute, whose president, Brad Dacus, described the impact of the decision as "stunning."

"The scope of this decision by the appellate court is breathtaking," he said. "It not only attacks traditional homeschooling, but also calls into question homeschooling through charter schools and teaching children at home via independent study through public and private school."

"If not reversed, the parents of the more than 166,000 students currently receiving an education at home will be subject to criminal sanctions," he said.

WND broke the story of the ruling against Phillip and Mary Long of Los Angeles.
The decision from the 2nd Appellate Court in Los Angeles granted a special petition brought by lawyers appointed to represent the two youngest children after the family's homeschooling was brought to the attention of child advocates. The lawyers appointed by the state were unhappy with a lower court's ruling that allowed the family to continue homeschooling and challenged it on appeal.

Justice H. Walt Croskey, whose opinion was joined by two other judges, then ordered: "Parents who fail to [comply with school enrollment laws] may be subject to a criminal complaint against them, found guilty of an infraction and subject to imposition of fines or an order to complete a parent education and counseling program."

The determination reversed a decision from Superior Court Judge Stephen Marpet, who ruled "parents have a constitutional right to school their children in their own home."

As WND has reported, the Longs had their children enrolled in Sunland Christian School, a private homeschooling program.

But Croskey, without hearing arguments from the school, opined that the situation was a "ruse of enrolling [children] in a private school and then letting them stay home and be taught by a non-credentialed parent."

Officials with the school said they asked Pacific Justice to work on the Supreme Court appeal because the organization "has been in full compliance with the requirements of the law for more than 23 years."

"We've never been given an opportunity to represent our case in the Court of Appeal," Terry Neven, the president of the school, said. "Consequently, we are excited that PJI will represent us before the California Supreme Court so that the rights of homeschooling families are preserved."

The ruling, on which WND previously reported, also issued a further warning of potential penalties for parents, this time in civil court.

It said under a section titled "Consequences of Parental Denial of a Legal Education" that "parents are subject to being ordered to enroll their children in an appropriate school or education program and provide proof of enrollment to the court, and willful failure to comply with such an order may be punished by a fine for civil contempt."

The school's website notes it offers a homeschool/independent study program that is accredited. It began in Los Angeles in 1986 with 24 students and now serves more than 3,000 families.

"While SCS is a Christian program, we enroll any family desiring assistance in teaching their own children at home. All we ask is that each family respect our values," the school said.

"The future of homeschooling (both public and private) in California requires the reversal of this decision," Neven said.

WND also has reported on concerns expressed by Roy Hanson, chief of the Private and Home Educators of California, about the way the ruling was issued.

"Normally in a dependency court action, they simply make a ruling that will affect that family. It accomplishes the same thing, meaning they would force [the family] to place their minor children into school," he said.

Such rulings on a variety of issues always are "done in the best interests of the child" and are not unusual, he said.

But in this case, the court said went much further, essentially concluding the state provided no circumstance that allowed parents to school their own children at home.

Specifically, the appeals court affirmed, the trial court had found that "keeping the children at home deprived them of situations where (1) they could interact with people outside the family, (2) there are people who could provide help if something is amiss in the children's lives, and (3) they could develop emotionally in a broader world than the parents' 'cloistered' setting."

Further, the appeals ruling said, California law requires "persons between the ages of six and 18" to be in school, "the public full-time day school," with exemptions allowed only for those in a "private full-time day school" or those "instructed by a tutor who holds a valid state teaching credential for the grade being taught."

For homeschoolers in California, Hanson said, "there may be everywhere from concern to panic, just based on not knowing what the [ultimate] results will be."

The Home School Legal Defense Association, the world's premiere international advocacy organization for homeschoolers, emphasized that the ruling made no changes in California law regarding homeschooling.

While the decision from the appeals court "has caused much concern among California homeschoolers," the HSLDA said, there are no immediate changes any homeschoolers need to address.

The Longs earlier told WND they also are considering an appeal to the state Supreme Court because of the impact of the order for their family, as well as the precedent that could be construed.

They have disputed with local officials over homeschooling and other issues for years, they said. In at least two previous decisions, courts affirmed their right to homeschool, they said.

The current case was brought by two attorneys who had been appointed by the state to represent the family's minor children in a dependency case stemming from accusations of abuse that resulted from the parents' decision to impose discipline on their children with spankings. The case actually had been closed out by the court as resolved when the lawyers filed their special appeal.

Phillip Long has told WND he objects to the pro-homosexual, pro-bisexual, pro-transgender agenda of California's public schools, on which WND previously has reported.

"We just don't want them teaching our children," he told WND. "They teach things that are totally contrary to what we believe. They put questions in our children's minds we don't feel they're ready for.

"When they are much more mature, they can deal with these issues, alternative lifestyles, and such, or whether they came from primordial slop. At the present time it's my job to teach them the correct way of thinking," he said.


I hope California manages to push out every single productive tax-paying citizen, leaving them with only the dregs they deserve.

Several of the youth at my church are home-schooled, and all of them are perfectly normal, well-balanced, and socially aware human beings. 

If you ask me, this is all about the money schools get for having a certain number of students enrolled.  California sees 166,000 more opportunities to get additional funding from the Fed.

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Kentucky Lawmaker Wants to Make Anonymous Internet Posting Illegal

Kentucky Representative Tim Couch filed a bill this week to make anonymous posting online illegal.

The bill would require anyone who contributes to a website to register their real name, address and e-mail address with that site.

Their full name would be used anytime a comment is posted.

If the bill becomes law, the website operator would have to pay if someone was allowed to post anonymously on their site. The fine would be five-hundred dollars for a first offense and one-thousand dollars for each offense after that.

Representative Couch says he filed the bill in hopes of cutting down on online bullying. He says that has especially been a problem in his Eastern Kentucky district.

Action News 36 asked people what they thought about the bill.

Some said they felt it was a violation of First Amendment rights. Others say it is a good tool toward eliminating online harassment.

Represntative Couch says enforcing this bill if it became law would be a challenge.


It's obvious this moron has absolutely no clue how the Interwebs work (or the Constitution, for that matter).

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Apparently this thread has disappeared ... or X is on drugs again.
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I think he's on drugs, because it was here this morning and it's here now.

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Hmm, the topic was somehow set as "Hidden," which is why Briney and I could see it but the rest of you couldn't.  I didn't do it, so I blame Briney.

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My children!  I have vanquished the enemy of oppression and have returned our Cry Freedom thread.  One man can make a difference.  It took the gun, the guts, and the guy to reclaim our freedoms but I have come from the cliff of despair and from the edge of death which I looked over.  I have come back, with victory in my hands and bodies trailing behind.

Keep watch...that this never happens again!

FREEDOM!!!!

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Stewie, step away from the crack pipe.

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Forty years after Democratic rising star Robert F. Kennedy was killed at a Los Angeles hotel during his presidential run, new evidence suggests the man serving a life sentence for his murder did not fire the shots that killed the charismatic senator.

Forensic scientists met at a conference in Connecticut this week to discuss their independent findings that cast serious doubt on the Kennedy assassination. Sirhan Sirhan is serving a life sentence in Kennedy's death, but the conference presenters argue he could not have fired the fatal shot that killed Kennedy.

One investigator, Dr. Robert Joling, has studied the Kennedy assassination for nearly four decades. He determined the fatal shot came from behind Kennedy, while Sirhan was four to six feet in front of the senator and never got close enough to shoot him from behind, an NBC affiliate reports.

Analysis by another forensics engineer, Philip Van Praag, of a Canadian journalists tape recording, known as the Pruszynski recording, determined that 13 shots were fired while Kennedy was killed, although Sirhan's gun only held eight bullets, according to the NBC reporter. This suggests that a second shooter was involved in the assassination.

Van Praag's analysis led him to conclude that a second gun that was fired matched a type owned by one of the security guards in Kennedy's entourage.

"When that security guard was asked about owning that gun at first he admitted, 'Yes I owned that kind of gun but I got rid of it two months before the assassination.'" correspondent Amy Parmenter said on MSNBC Wednesday. "It turns out upon further investigation, in fact, he did not get rid of that gun until five months after the shooting. Of course, you can see where we're going with this. ... That security guard, was in fact behind Senator Kennedy when the fatal shot was fired."

This video is from MSNBC News Live, broadcast March 26, 2008.


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This is a pretty interesting finding.  I don't know if anything would come from it.  But if Sirhan Sirhan isn't probably wacked out from shock treatment and/or he still retains a lawyer...I'd be filing on his behalf.

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I was going to post that earlier today, but I'm pretty sure Sirhan Sirhan confessed.  Not to mention there were tons of witnesses.

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This is true, however we do not know about the so called "woman in the polka dot dress" and with the identity of the second shooter involved unknown, Sirhan's lawyer could probably offer up a defense and/or information that could get his client out of prison sooner than him dying.

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WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- Like a number of people without a ticket to the Nationals' game Sunday, Mark Butler stood outside the left field gate and watched some of the historic event from a distance. The Minnesota man carried a digital camera to capture the memories. For a member of the Uniformed Division of United States Secret Service, Butler captured too much.
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9NEWS NOW photographer Greg Guise was rolling when an officer approached Mark Butler. Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush.

"It's kind of like not being in America," Butler said. Butler said he was not interested in the security but in the part of the stadium you could see beyond the gate.

Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley told 9NEWS NOW that there is no "hard and fast rule" in this situation. Wiley said it is a situation left to the discretion of the officer.

When specifically asked about the legality of ordering someone to delete pictures Wiley answered, "We have the authority to ask them to remove the picture from the camera."

Arthur Spitzer, Legal Director of the American Civil Liberties Union of the National Capital Area, said "ask" could be the operative word in that statement by Wiley. Spitzer said he knows of no law in these circumstances that would allow law enforcement to force someone to delete pictures.


I'm just going to go around and say I have authority in things when I really don't.  Sorry there 3rd grader, you're the 11th person I met tonight, I get you bag of Halloween candy.

If I were this dude, I would have laughed and just walked away.  Let's see them try and arrest me for that.  Oh wait...Patriot Act, secret prisons, no representation...hmm...ok I might have run away.

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Run away?  Ha!  You've never seen Enemy of the State, have you?

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That was the third movie during the Summer Of Smith run in the late 90s.  He runs...and wins in the end...but wins really stupidly if you ask me.  That ending could have been better.

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The Olympic torch makes its only US appearance today with a ceremonial run through the streets of San Francisco.
It will be protected by a squad of Chinese security officers known as "flame attendants
." The guards wear bright blue tracksuits. They have succeeded in keeping human rights protesters from grabbing the torch at other appearances.


That's right folks, these are People's Republic of China military troops on US soil.  Not since Mexican armed guards rolling through the streets on the southern states to "assist" with Katrina control have I wanted to puke on the flag so much.

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Meh.  They're just beating up the hippies we're too "politically correct" to deal with.

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Every single Metropolitan police officer will be 'microchipped' so top brass can monitor their movements on a Big Brother style tracking scheme, it can be revealed today.

According to respected industry magazine Police Review, the plan - which affects all 31,000 serving officers in the Met, including Sir Ian Blair - is set to replace the unreliable Airwave radio system currently used to help monitor officer's movements.

The new electronic tracking device - called the Automated Personal Location System (APLS) - means that officers will never be out of range of supervising officers.

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But many serving officers fear being turned into "Robocops" - controlled by bosses who have not been out on the beat in years.

According to service providers Telent, the new technology 'will enable operators in the Service's operations centres to identify the location of each police officer' at any time they are on duty - whether overground or underground.

Although police chiefs say the new technology is about 'improving officer safety' and reacting to incidents more quickly, many rank and file believe it is just a Big Brother style system to keep tabs on them and make sure they don't 'doze off on duty'.

Some officers are concerned that the system - which will be able to pinpoint any of the 31,000 officers in the Met to within a few feet of their location - will put a complete end to community policing and leave officers purely at the beck and call of control room staff rather than reacting to members of the public on the ground.


Good luck trying to get me to do that at any time.  I don't understand why they need to be chipped, why not use their radios as tracking devices like we do in the states here.

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This system sucks.  I can police their union isn't haven't an aneurysm over this.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2si152ncQ

This isn't the only place or the only time the police have done this.

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Communist Chinese-style political oppression came to San Francisco on Wednesday when police, acting on the orders of Chinese paramilitary cops, removed and shoved to the sidewalk an Olympic torch bearer for displaying a Tibetan flag, as the woman's pleas that she had the right to free speech as an American citizen fell on deaf ears.


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Ya! Communism is phun!  Watch the cop manhandle the torchbearer.

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Even if you completely ignore the torchbearer and focus solely on the "parade" of tactical officer, you should see an extremely disturbing trend. 

This is the United States of America, damn it, not some third-world totalitarian cesspit where government agents can push people around because they're holding a frickin' flag.  Freedom of speech is dead in this country.

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Throughout the history of countries enacting these types of "terror laws" they have always ALWAYS been turned on the people and abused.  That's what happens when you give a government a little more power.

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A family who were wrongly suspected of lying on a school application form have discovered that their local council used anti-terrorism surveillance powers to spy on them.

The family, from Poole in Dorset, said they had been tailed for three weeks by council officials trying to establish whether they had given a false address in an attempt to get their three-year-old daughter a place at a heavily oversubscribed local nursery school, which their two older children had attended. The family had in fact done nothing wrong, and the investigation was eventually aborted.

Yesterday it emerged that Poole borough council had legitimately used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to monitor the family. This involved keeping a detailed log of their movements for two weeks, following the mother's car as she took her three children to school each day and even watching the family home to ascertain their sleeping habits.

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The Act, passed in 2000, was supposed to allow security agencies to combat terrorism.

The 39-year-old mother, a businesswoman who wished to remain anonymous, said: "I can't imagine a greater invasion of our privacy. I'm incensed that legislation designed to combat terrorism can be turned on a three-year-old. It was very creepy when we found out that people had been watching us and making notes. Councils should be protecting children, not spying on them."

The council defended its right to investigate families in a covert manner, saying it had used the law twice in the past year to successfully prove parents were lying about where they lived.


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Honestly, even if she was lying, is it really that big of a deal?  I wonder how much money the Council spent on that BS "investigation."

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Since when did he age to be 50 !?!?

Poor fella.

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It was some new STD... aged him in less than a day. His manwhorishness has finally caught up with him...
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This guy probably had "cams"where you can see people get up for popcorn.  No respectable pirate would have such a thing.

Also, when do DVD spindles give you not only probably cause to search the vehicle but also the person's home?  Plastic containers holding hundreds of DVDs? For less than 40 bucks you can get 200 at Best Buy.

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X wrote on Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:58am:
This guy probably had "cams"where you can see people get up for popcorn.  No respectable pirate would have such a thing.


No kidding.  Shaky cams are an abomination to all that is holy.

On a side note, why do the police care about pirated DVD's?  That's a copyright issue and way, WAY out of their jurisdiction.

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By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 16, 7:39 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The government plans to begin collecting DNA samples from anyone arrested by a federal law enforcement agency — a move intended to prevent violent crime but which also is raising concerns about the privacy of innocent people.

Using authority granted by Congress, the government also plans to collect DNA samples from foreigners who are detained, whether they have been charged or not. The DNA would be collected through a cheek swab, Justice Department spokesman Erik Ablin said Wednesday. That would be a departure from current practice, which limits DNA collection to convicted felons.

Expanding the DNA database, known as CODIS, raises civil liberties questions about the potential for misuse of such personal information, such as family ties and genetic conditions.

Ablin said the DNA collection would be subject to the same privacy laws applied to current DNA sampling. That means none of it would be used for identifying genetic traits, diseases or disorders.

Congress gave the Justice Department the authority to expand DNA collection in two different laws passed in 2005 and 2006.

There are dozens of federal law enforcement agencies, ranging from the FBI to the Library of Congress Police. The federal government estimates it makes about 140,000 arrests each year.

Justice officials estimate the new collecting requirements would add DNA from an additional 1.2 million people to the database each year.

Those who support the expanded collection believe that DNA sampling could get violent criminals off the streets and prevent them from committing more crimes.

A Chicago study in 2005 found that 53 murders and rapes could have been prevented if a DNA sample had been collected upon arrest.

"Many innocent lives could have been saved had the government began this kind of DNA sampling in the 1990s when the technology to do so first became available," Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said. Kyl sponsored the 2005 law that gave the Justice Department this authority.

Thirteen states have similar laws: Alaska, Arizona, California, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.

The new regulation would mean that the federal government could store DNA samples of people who are not guilty of any crime, said Jesselyn McCurdy, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Now innocent people's DNA will be put into this huge CODIS database, and it will be very difficult for them to get it out if they are not charged or convicted of a crime," McCurdy said.

If a person is arrested but not convicted, he or she can ask the Justice Department to destroy the sample.

The Homeland Security Department — the federal agency charged with policing immigration — supports the new rule.

"DNA is a proven law-enforcement tool," DHS spokesman Russ Knocke said.

The rule would not allow for DNA samples to be collected from immigrants who are legally in the United States or those being processed for admission, unless the person was arrested.

The proposed rule is being published in the Federal Register. That will be followed by a 30-day comment period.


It has begun.  Also this is another turn of events that I had predicted years before it happened.  Mark my words, soon it'll be people just arrested and not convicted by local authorities as well.  Then it'll be every person stopped.  Soon it won't be DNA only it's going to be the whole kitten kabutle, thumb scan, DNA, biometric reading.  Then the chip will come.  Have fun sheeple, get your guns ready.

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That's patently ridiculous.  Keeping DNA records from arrested but unconvicted individuals is a complete violation of the Constitution.  Do politicians even know what the Bill of Rights is?

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I'll give her a DNA sample...right in the eye!


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spanky wrote on Apr 17th, 2008 at 1:51pm:
I'll give her a DNA sample...right in the eye!


I don't think it would meet the minimum sample size, sorry.

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Your mom thought it was more than enough!
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Some good science on how RFK was not shot by Sirhan Sirhan

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Eric Bryant says he was sitting in the SanSai Japanese Grill on NW 21st and Hoyt on March 7 when he witnessed Officer Chad Stensgaard pull up and park his patrol car illegally, next to a "No Parking" sign.

Stensgaard walked into the restaurant wearing his police uniform, but did not make any arrests or citations. Instead, he turned his attention to the basketball game on television, according to Bryant. When Bryant asked Stensgaard about his vehicle, Stensgaard allegedly acknowledged being in a no-parking zone but asked Bryant, "If someone broke into your house, would you rather have the police be able to park in front of your house or have to park three blocks away and walk there?"

Bryant returned to his seat, and says shortly afterward he watched a restaurant employee hand the officer a plastic bag before he left. Unfortunately for Officer Stensgaard, Bryant had recently passed the Oregon bar exam, and decided to pursue the matter further.

"If he had acknowledged and corrected his error, we could have avoided this whole thing," says Bryant. "But instead, he kept watching basketball and told me he wasn't doing anything wrong."

Now, using ORS 153.058, Bryant—as a private citizen—has initiated violation proceedings against Officer Stensgaard. Bryant alleges Stensgaard was in violation of state statutes on illegal parking, illegal stopping, obeying parking restrictions on state highways, and illegal operation of an emergency vehicle or ambulance—the violations carry fines totaling $540.

Officer Stensgaard has received a Multnomah County summons to appear in traffic court on May 23. Meanwhile Bryant denies he is just stirring up trouble.

"Citizens should be concerned that he used his status as an officer of the law as justification for breaking the law," he says.

Stensgaard declined comment through the cops' office of public information.


Outside of the civil fines, I wonder if Officer Stensgaard will face any punishment from his superiors?  Probably not.

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Brooklyn Park police were looking for a meth lab, but they found a fish tank and the chemicals needed to maintain it.

And a few hours later, when the city sent a contractor to fix the door the police had smashed open Monday afternoon, it was obvious the city was trying to fix a mistake.
It happened while Kathy Adams was sleeping.

"And the next thing I know, a police officer is trying to get me out bed," she said.

Adams, a 54-year-old former nurse who said she suffers from a bad back caused by a patient who attacked her a few years ago, was handcuffed. So was her 49-year-old husband.

"They brought us here and said once we clear that area, you can sit down and you will not speak to each other," she said.

Police were executing a search warrant signed by Hennepin County Judge Ivy Bernhardson, who believed there was probable cause the Adams's home was a meth lab.

Berhardson, who was appointed to the bench less than a year ago, did not return KARE 11's phone calls.

"Ohmigod," Adams said as she recalled police breaking down her door and flashing the search warrant. "I just kept saying to them, 'you've got the wrong house.' "

Police soon realized that themselves.

"From a cursory view, it doesn't look like our officers did anything wrong," said Capt. Greg Roehl.

Roehl said the drug task force was acting on a tip from a subcontractor for CenterPoint Energy, who had been in the home Friday to install a hot water heater.

"He got hit with a chemical smell that he said made him light headed, feel kind of nauseous," Roehl said.

The smell was vinegar, and maybe pickling lime, which were clearly marked in a bathroom Mr. Adams uses to mix chemicals for his salt water fish tank.

"I said, 'I call it his laboratory for his fish tanks,' " Mrs. Adams said, recalling her conversation with the CenterPoint technician. "I'm looking at the fish tank talking to this guy."

Police say there was no extended investigation, just an interview with the subcontractor.

"Everything this person told us turned out to be true, with the exception of what the purpose of the lab was," Roehl said.

Adams is looking for a lawyer.

"I could say that about my neighbor - I smelled something when I went in their house," she said. "Does that make it right for them to go in there and break the door down and cuff you? I think not!"

Police say the detective who asked for the search warrant is an 8 ½-year veteran, but he just started working in the drug task force.

CenterPoint energy maintains the home was "unsafe" and it would have been "irresponsible" for the subcontractor not to report it.


So a warrant was issued by a judge and a door was kicked in (likely during a "no knock") by police simply because some contractor smelled something funny?  The was no independent investigation on behalf of the policy, just a bad smell reported by a third party?

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Right, it's not the cops fault here.  If anything the senior detective got it wrong, but the officers were carrying out a legal warrant.  It was the judge who should have realized that one untrained person who smelled something does not constitute probable cause.  This judge must have been asleep when he signed off on this or just didn't care.

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Last time they cleaned the coffee pot in our office with vinegar I smelled something funny.  I am 99% sure they are all terrorists trying to make nuclear weapons!

Come on, if you don't know the smell of vinegar you need to kill yourself.
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Reply #1057 - May 1st, 2008 at 10:33am
 
Wow Spanky, that two posts about people dying...rough day?

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Reply #1058 - May 1st, 2008 at 11:59am
 
Well in my defense I have always said that prof should go to feminazi hell.  The other one, not sure where that one came from...


...most likely your mom didn't love me enough.

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Reply #1059 - May 1st, 2008 at 12:52pm
 
I think you're cranky because I asked your mom for change for that 17 cents...she thought the extra 15 cents was a tip...HA!

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Reply #1060 - May 1st, 2008 at 4:58pm
 
spanky wrote on May 1st, 2008 at 11:59am:
...most likely your mom didn't love me enough.


That's what you get for being cheap.  Anything less than $2.00 isn't going to get you a "happy ending."

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Reply #1061 - May 6th, 2008 at 10:14am
 
Thanks to Briney for the story.


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CCTV boom has failed to slash crime, say police

Massive investment in CCTV cameras to prevent crime in the UK has failed to have a significant impact, despite billions of pounds spent on the new technology, a senior police officer piloting a new database has warned. Only 3% of street robberies in London were solved using CCTV images, despite the fact that Britain has more security cameras than any other country in Europe.

The warning comes from the head of the Visual Images, Identifications and Detections Office (Viido) at New Scotland Yard as the force launches a series of initiatives to try to boost conviction rates using CCTV evidence. They include:

· A new database of images which is expected to use technology developed by the sports advertising industry to track and identify offenders.

· Putting images of suspects in muggings, rape and robbery cases out on the internet from next month.

· Building a national CCTV database, incorporating pictures of convicted offenders as well as unidentified suspects. The plans for this have been drawn up, but are on hold while the technology required to carry out automated searches is refined.

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Owen Bowcott on why CCTV is catching few criminals
Use of CCTV images for court evidence has so far been very poor, according to Detective Chief Inspector Mick Neville, the officer in charge of the Metropolitan police unit. "CCTV was originally seen as a preventative measure," Neville told the Security Document World Conference in London. "Billions of pounds has been spent on kit, but no thought has gone into how the police are going to use the images and how they will be used in court. It's been an utter fiasco: only 3% of crimes were solved by CCTV. There's no fear of CCTV. Why don't people fear it? [They think] the cameras are not working."

More training was needed for officers, he said. Often they do not want to find CCTV images "because it's hard work". Sometimes the police did not bother inquiring beyond local councils to find out whether CCTV cameras monitored a particular street incident.

"CCTV operators need feedback. If you call them back, they feel valued and are more helpful. We want to develop a career path for CCTV [police] inquirers."

The Viido unit is beginning to establish a London-wide database of images of suspects that are cross-referenced by written descriptions. Interest in the technology has been enhanced by recent police work, in which officers back-tracked through video tapes to pick out terrorist suspects. In districts where the Viido scheme is working, CCTV is now helping police in 15-20% of street robberies.

"We are [beginning] to collate images from across London," Neville said. "This has got to be balanced against any Big Brother concerns, with safeguards. The images are from thefts, robberies and more serious crimes. Possibly the [database] could be national in future."

The unit is now investigating whether it can use software - developed to track advertising during televised football games - to follow distinctive brand logos on the clothing of unidentified suspects. "Sometimes you are looking for a picture, for example, of someone with a red top and a green dragon on it," he explained. "That technology could be used to track logos." By back-tracking, officers have often found earlier pictures, for example, of suspects with their hoods down, in which they can be identified.

"We are also going to start putting out [pictures] on the internet, on the Met police website, asking 'who is this guy?'. If criminals see that CCTV works they are less likely to commit crimes."

Cheshire deputy chief constable Graham Gerrard, who chairs the CCTV working group of the Association of Chief Police Officers, told the Guardian, that it made no sense to have a national DNA and fingerprint database, but to have to approach 43 separate forces for images of suspects and offenders. A scheme called the Facial Identification National Database (Find), which began collecting offenders' images from their prison pictures and elsewhere, has been put on hold.

He said that there were discussions with biometric companies "on a regular basis" about developing the technology to search digitised databases and match suspects' images with known offenders. "Sometimes when they put their [equipment] in operational practice, it's not as wonderful as they said it would be, " he said. "I suspect [Find] has been put on hold until the technology matures. Before you can digitise every offender's image you have to make sure the lighting is right and it's a good picture. It's a major project. We are still some way from a national database. There are still ethical and technical issues to consider."

Asked about the development of a CCTV database, the office of the UK's information commissioner, Richard Thomas, said: "CCTV can play an important role in helping to prevent and detect crime. However we would expect adequate safeguards to be put in place to ensure the images are only used for crime detection purposes, stored securely and that access to images is restricted to authorised individuals. We would have concerns if CCTV images of individuals going about their daily lives were retained as part of the initiative."

The charity Victim's Voice, which supports relatives of those who have been murdered, said it supported more effective use of CCTV systems. "Our view is that anything that helps get criminals off the street and prevents crime is good," said Ed Usher, one of the organisation's trustees. "If handled properly it can be a superb preventative tool."


This outcome was clearly known before the investments of millions of dollars/pounds.  CCTV in a populace only does one thing - it gets people use to the government spying on them. 

Big Brother camera systems doesn't curb crime for one simple reason, CCTVs are just visual tools.  If you want to prosecute, sure, they're good.  However, how does seeing a few terrorists blow themselves up curb crime?  How does watching a murder happen stop that murder?  Unless someone is acting suspicious and you have police nearby constantly, then the system is useless for the claimed intended use.  Since thieves know that CCTV are there all they do is change their tactics. 

CCTV was installed in the 7/7 bombing in London and if you believe those were real terrorists like the official story says and not government agents like they really were, the cameras did nothing to stop them.  Like I said before, the only reason CCTV works is to get the citizenry use to the government in your lives, the next step...is just one household away.

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Reply #1062 - May 10th, 2008 at 2:22am
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=133_1210305250

This guy is my hero.  Not only does he know his rights, but he also knows how to keep his composure and exercise his rights.

It's interesting to note that about the third time he asked if he was being detained, he was probably free to go (under the 4th Amendment) but I salute him for making the point for the purpose of educating us!

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Reply #1063 - May 20th, 2008 at 9:05am
 
Here's a snippit I'm sure you guys will love...

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One answer to curbing Chicago's gun violence, according to police, is putting officers on the streets dressed in full battle gear and traveling in vehicles normally used in hostage and barricade situations.

"I think it acts as deterrent," Chicago Police Dept. Supt. Jody Weis said. "The first thought is that it's SWAT and they've backed off. I think the deterrent factor is important."


Sieg heil!

Maybe they can start a shock-and-awe bombing campaign to really show how bad-ass they are? 

What will this accomplish?  They won't intimidate anybody like that.  The criminals will just wait for the stupid trucks to leave the area.


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Reply #1064 - May 20th, 2008 at 10:57am
 
Here's another great story from the hellhole known as Chicago...

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BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter

Ald. Richard Mell (33rd) is a former hunter with an arsenal of weapons that reportedly features shotguns, rifles and pistols, including a Walther PPK of James Bond fame.

But there's a problem.
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Alderman Dick Mell
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Mell forgot to re-register the weapons as required every year by the ordinance that he helped to pass as one of the City Council's most senior members.

So, what does an alderman do when he finds himself in violation of the law? He writes a new law. Mell has quietly introduced an ordinance that would reopen gun registration in Chicago and create a one-month amnesty for himself and other gun owners in the same predicament.

During the monthlong window, gun owners who attempted to re-register their guns between May 1, 2007, and April 1, 2008, only to be rejected on grounds the registrations had lapsed would be allowed to re-register without penalty.

"It's not just for me. It's for other people with the same problem. It's giving people who legitimately registered their guns at one time only to let it slip by a chance to come back into compliance," Mell said. "Some people didn't realize that, every year, you have to re-register your guns."

As an aldermen who helps write Chicago's gun laws, Mell acknowledged that he should have been in compliance with the re-registration requirement.

"I knew it was the law. I thought it was being done [by a staff member]. If you have a person you trust to do it and they don't do it, then it doesn't get done. I'm not gonna say it's embarrassing. I'm just gonna say I should have done it," the alderman said.

Mell said he first realized he was in violation of the re-registration requirement about a year ago. When he tried to re-register his guns belatedly, the Chicago Police Department's Gun Registration Section refused to bend the rules. Mell appealed that ruling to the city's Department of Administrative Hearings but decided to re-write the law instead."When we looked at the law, we saw the possibility of winning [the appeal] wasn't gonna happen," he said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/958879,CST-NWS-mell20.article


Forget to register your guns in accordance with the very law you wrote?  No problem, just pass another law!

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Reply #1065 - May 20th, 2008 at 12:39pm
 
Sieg heil in deed, bob!  Thanks for posting these stories, esp. the first one.

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A teenager is facing prosecution for using the word "cult" to describe the Church of Scientology.

The unnamed 15-year-old was served the summons by City of London police when he took part in a peaceful demonstration opposite the London headquarters of the controversial religion.

Officers confiscated a placard with the word "cult" on it from the youth, who is under 18, and a case file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.

A date has not yet been set for him to appear in court.

The decision to issue the summons has angered human rights activists and support groups for the victims of cults.

The incident happened during a protest against the Church of Scientology on May 10. Demonstrators from the anti-Scientology group, Anonymous, who were outside the church's £23m headquarters near St Paul's cathedral, were banned by police from describing Scientology as a cult by police because it was "abusive and insulting".

Writing on an anti-Scientology website, the teenager facing court said: "I brought a sign to the May 10th protest that said: 'Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.'

"'Within five minutes of arriving I was told by a member of the police that I was not allowed to use that word, and that the final decision would be made by the inspector."

A policewoman later read him section five of the Public Order Act and "strongly advised" him to remove the sign. The section prohibits signs which have representations or words which are threatening, abusive or insulting.

The teenager refused to back down, quoting a 1984 high court ruling from Mr Justice Latey, in which he described the Church of Scientology as a "cult" which was "corrupt, sinister and dangerous".

After the exchange, a policewoman handed him a court summons and removed his sign.

On the website he asks for advice on how to fight the charge: "What's the likelihood I'll need a lawyer? If I do have to get one, it'll have to come out of my pocket money."

Writing on the same website, another anonymous demonstrator said: "We also protested outside another Scientology building in Tottenham Court Road which is policed by a separate force, the Metropolitan police, who have never tried to stop us using the word cult.

"We're completely peaceful protesters expressing a perfectly valid opinion. This whole thing stinks."

Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti, said: "This barmy prosecution makes a mockery of Britain's free speech traditions.

"After criminalising the use of the word 'cult', perhaps the next step is to ban the words 'war' and 'tax' from peaceful demonstrations?"

Ian Haworth, from the Cult Information Centre which provides advice for victims of cults and their families, said: "This is an extraordinary situation. If it wasn't so serious it would be farcical. The police's job is to protect and serve. Who is being served and who is being protected in this situation? I find it very worrying.

"Scientology is well known to my organisation, and has been of great concern to me for 22 years. I get many calls from families with loved ones involved and ex-members who are in need of one form of help."

The City of London police came under fire two years ago when it emerged that more than 20 officers, ranging from constable to chief superintendent, had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the Church of Scientology.

The City of London Chief Superintendent, Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of society" during the opening
of its headquarters in 2006.

Last year a video praising Scientology emerged featuring Ken Stewart, another of the City of London's chief superintendents, although he is not a member of the group.

The group was founded by the science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard in 1952 and espouses the idea that humans are descended from an exiled race of aliens called Thetans.

The church continues to attract controversy over claims that it separates members from their families and indoctrinates followers.

A spokeswoman for the force said today: "City of London police had received complaints about demonstrators using the words 'cult' and 'Scientology kills' during protests against the Church of Scientology.

"Following advice from the Crown Prosecution Service some demonstrators were warned verbally and in writing that their signs breached section five of the Public Order Act.

"One demonstrator continued to display a placard despite police warnings and was reported for an offence under section five. A file on the case will go to the CPS."

A CPS spokesman said no specific advice was given to police regarding the boy's placard.

"In April, prior to this demonstration, as part of our normal working relationship we gave the City of London police general advice on the law around demonstrations and religiously aggravated crime in particular.

"We did not advise on this specific case prior to the summons being issued – which the police can do without reference to us – but if we receive a file we will review it in the normal way according to the code for crown prosecutors."


I will never live in Britain...EVER!

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Wow, that's fifteen different flavors of screwed up.

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Police and federal agents raided 50 marijuana grow houses around Florida on Thursday, calling it "Operation D-Day."

They seized $7 million worth of pot plants, but they also kicked in the door of Noel Llorente's Opa-locka home and found nothing but bewildered homeowners.


"I was frightened for my husband because they threw him on the ground," Llorente's wife said. "I was scared.

Llorente said he was just leaving for work when unmarked cars pulled up, Drug Enforcement Administration agents jumped out, threw him down with guns drawn, handcuffed him, stormed into his home and searched for drugs.

"I asked them why they came to my house, they said a neighbor or somebody called and said I had a hydroponics lab in my house," Llorente said. "Then I asked them if a marijuana plant could grow inside my underwear drawer."

The Llorentes said they don't speak much English – they're immigrants from Cuba. They said one of the reasons they came to the U.S. was to escape oppression from the Cuban police.

Isabel Llorente said she never thought this could happen here.

"Never, because they criticize Cuba so much," she said. "I've never gone through anything like this."

She said what made it especially traumatic was not knowing if the agents were really police or imposters. She said she tried to call 911, but they wouldn't let her.

"What added salt to this injury was after the situation – house is searched, door is broken – they just walked away," the Llorentes' lawyer said. "Like, 'We're the government. We made a mistake.'"

The homeowner said he received only a minimal apology from police and federal agents.

"When I asked them about the door, they said, 'Sorry," Noel Llorente said. "When I asked them about my reputation, they said, 'Sorry.'"


So they kick down his door and terrorize his family based on nothing more than a faulty witness, but they won't even pay for the damages they caused?  That's complete baloney!

I hope the publicity brought by this article will inspire an attorney to offer their services pro bono.

I can't believe the city refused to pay him a measly $10,000.  This guy will easily be offered a $100,000 settlement the moment his attorney files suit.

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Well hey...at least they will finally live the American dream...of suing someone and getting money!

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Reply #1070 - May 23rd, 2008 at 5:17pm
 
This is one time where a sizable cash award would be appropriate.

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When police spotted a gun-wielding suspect lurking in the shadows of a suburban front room, their response was swift.

Armed officers burst into the house, shouted at the owner to lie on the floor, and ordered him to surrender his weapon.

But efficiency turned to embarrassment when the "gunman" turned out to be a life-sized model of the video game character Lara Croft, complete with trademark oversized pistols.

Computer shop owner David Williams, 42, had taken the dummy home to put it up for sale on the auction site eBay.

As the source of the confusion dawned on all concerned, it might have been the moment for an apology from the police.

Instead, however, Mr Williams was taken to the cells and held for more than 13 hours before being released.

He is now on bail for a suspected firearms offense, and Lara Croft remains impounded as evidence.


This article would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn sad.  Did everyone in Britain wake up retarded one morning?

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Reply #1072 - May 28th, 2008 at 1:08pm
 
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Write an essay that completes one of four different stories and a chance to win $5,000.

"NO PURCHASE NECESSARY TO ENTER OR WIN. Contest is open only to legal residents of the United States who are currently over the age of 18 and have children who attend elementary, private or parochial schools that serve grades PreK-6. No home schools will be accepted."


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The Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has tapped Northrop Grumman to develop binoculars that will tap the subconscious mind. The Cognitive Technology Threat Warning System program, informally called "Luke's Binoculars," combines advanced optics with electro-encephalogram electrodes that can, DARPA believes, be used to alert the wearer to a threat before the conscious mind has processed the information.

While they were considering a number of technologies for neural detections, it appears DARPA has settled on EEG. "HORNET will utilize a custom helmet equipped with electro-encephalogram electrodes placed on the scalp to record the user's continuous electrical brain activity," says Northrop. "The operator's neural responses to the presence or absence of potential threats will train the system's algorithms, which will continue to be refined over time so that the warfighter is always presented with items of relevance to his mission."

I described this project in an article last year for Wired News, when DARPA was still sifting through the concepts. The idea was to incorporate technology that detects neural patterns that indicate a possible threat -- the idea being that the subconscious mind detects threats faster than the conscious mind realizes (essentially, the binoculars bypass inhibitory reflexes). Some scientists I spoke with thought the projects was interesting -- particularly the advancements in optics and imaging -- but that neural detection technology wasn't nearly developed enough for the schedule DARPA anticipated (the agency wants to field the binoculars in just a few short years).

The most common sense challenge raised about these binocular by one scientist I spoke with was the whole issue of bypassing inhibitory reactions. Is that really something you want a soldier to do? It'll be interesting to see what the first soldiers to use these binoculars have to say about them.


This is some seriously crazy technology.  The use of "brainwaves" as an input device has advanced a lot further than I thought.  It seems like the first "brain controlled video games" were just being developed in big research labs a couple years ago, and they sucked.

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I won't be scared until they can penetrate my ingenious tin foil technology.
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Hah, you said penetrate!


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11:20 AM EDT on Tuesday, June 10, 2008

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Two arrested at graduation

ROCK HILL, S.C. -- Most people get choked up and excited at graduation. But one family’s excitement landed them in jail. Arrested and handcuffed for cheering.

More than 500 Fort Mill High School Students graduated Saturday at Winthrop Coliseum. The audience and the graduates were told in advance that cheering during the ceremony was forbidden. They were even warned that if they did make noise, they’d be removed from the coliseum by the Rock Hill Police.

But one family says they had no idea just how far the police would go. “I think this was one time for my son to go out of his box. And it was the wrong time to do it,” said the father who asked not to be identified.

Two of his children were arrested and handcuffed by police for cheering when their sibling’s name was called.

“There was no profanity,” said the dad. “And they were both put in handcuffs,” he said.

The siblings were also slapped with a criminal charge. Four other people at the Fort Mill High Graduation were also arrested. Another man was arrested at the York Comprehensive High School commencement for cheering as well.

The father of the Fort Mill High student thinks the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. He wishes the principal had been more specific. “All he had to do is say ‘Folks, don’t yell for an individual. If you do, you’ll be prosecuted’. And if he would’ve said that, no one would have said anything,” he said.

The father would like the city to look into the matter. The siblings can enter a program for first time offenders. But they will have to pay $625, attend counseling, drug testing and perform community service.


Now that's some serious BS.  I hope they plead not guilty and fight this crap.  I wonder what kind of ridiculous charges they're being indicted for, anyway?

If I may be so bold, allow me to quote Ayn Rand...

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris.  "We want them broken.  You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures.  We're after power and we mean it.

There's no way to rule innocent men.  The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.  Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.  One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. 

Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?  What's there in that for anyone?  But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."


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Do you even remember our graduation?  Yeah, some people need to STFU and sit down.  It is high school graduation not winning the lottery.
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That's very true, and I'm sure these guys could've benefited from a nice little mob beating from the other families, but arrest?  Come on, this is America!  We have a first amendment right to free speech, and that includes annoying, undesirable speech.  You can't legislate respect.

I don't even know why graduation is such a big deal.  "Good job, you've graduated from high school, just like everyone else!"

Trying to turn an average high school graduation into some sort of solemn, somber ceremony is ridiculous.  People are stupid, and they'll act stupid in public with only the slightest provocation, evil overlords notwithstanding.


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A police officer with one hand on the hood of the car and the other on his gun warns resident Rick Blazek to back off as he tries to drive around a security checkpoint in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Monday, June 16, 2008. Frustrated residents expected to return to their homes today but the hazards encountered by inspection teams were deemed unsafe for the general public; it is anticipated that people will be able to retrieve items from their homes starting Tuesday.
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Rick Blazek, 54, is escorted to a police car after being arrested for trying to drive around a security checkpoint in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Monday, June 16, 2008. Frustrated residents expected to return to their homes today but the hazards encountered by inspection teams were deemed unsafe for the general public; it is anticipated that people will be able to retrieve items from their homes starting Tuesday.
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Does anybody else think it should be illegal for the police to stop people from returning to their homes?  If I was in charge, I'd make people sign a waiver saying "We won't rescue you past this point," but I'll be damned if I'd keep them from returning to their homes.

If they want to take the risk, who am I to stop them?

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"It's for your own good. We know whats best."

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I keep saying it but...this is getting ridiculous!

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http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=8357172&ch=4226714&s...

Video report of the govt using US Soldiers as guinea pigs.  There are many points to make here.  First of all, this isn't all the testing and trial drugs they give current US soldiers.  GIs are ordered to take experimental drugs when their superiors tell them it's just part of a cocktail of "vaccines" for when they go overseas.  Second, the Dr. claims to not want to "deprive soldiers of an effect non-smoking treatment".  Well if that's true why do you need test trials?

Our US military men and women have been lab rats since WWII and it's amazing this story slipped through the cracks of official news keepers.  It's nice to know there are a few journalists left that do investigative reporting to help people.

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http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_23845.aspx

Child abuse is wrong...child abuse accusations should be handled delicately.

Filing a child abuse claim on something a PSYCHIC said...now that's different!

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That woman has a very large cash award in her future.

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HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1089
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A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and directing distribution.

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:

THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.


Some of the midwestern states certainly are getting ballsy these days!  I'd pay big money (may as much as $3.50!) to see this bill passed and signed!

Of course, until they get the Supreme Court to enforce the 10th amendment, this is mostly useless.  Nonetheless, I'm still very impressed that some Oklahoma representatives have the guts to put this to a vote!

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SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- A judge declared a mistrial Wednesday in the case of a man who stormed into a Jewish center two years ago and shot six women, killing one, as he ranted against Israel and the Iraq war.

Jurors had indicated in questions posed to the judge that they were hopelessly deadlocked and struggling to determine whether Naveed Haq, 32, was not guilty by reason of insanity, as he claimed.

King County Superior Court Judge Paris Kallas ended the jury's deliberations in their eighth day.

The jurors reached a partial verdict on only one of the 15 counts against Haq, finding him not guilty of attempted first-degree murder of one of the women. But they couldn't agree on the lesser charge of attempted second-degree murder or any of the other 14 charges, which included murder.

Haq held a teenage girl at gunpoint to force his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on July 28, 2006. Once in the second-floor office, he began railing against U.S. policies and opened fire when someone tried to call 911. He shot some people in their cubicles, some in the hall and one, Pamela Waechter, fatally as she fled down a stairwell.

An emergency operator eventually persuaded him to surrender.

Prosecutors quickly announced that they hope to retry Haq this year, and representatives of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle expressed their disappointment at the mistrial.

"There is no argument Haq killed Pam. There is no argument he viciously shot five others. There is no argument that he made anti-Israel and anti-Semitic statements. Somehow, all this was not enough," Jewish Federation President Richard Fruchter said.

During the six-week trial, prosecutors did not dispute that Haq had mental problems and had struggled to make friends and hold down jobs. But he knew right from wrong, could tell what he was doing and wanted to get his message out, they said.

They noted that Haq planned the shooting for days, drove from his eastern Washington home to Seattle the morning of the shooting and hid in the building's foyer to avoid detection.

Haq's lawyers, however, argued that he had a long history of mental illness that had been worsened by a change in his medication. A defense expert diagnosed bipolar disorder with psychotic tendencies.

In written questions to the judge, the jurors asked for further clarification of the legal definition of insanity. Kallas declined to help them, saying she could not answer beyond what was provided in their instructions.

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said none of the survivors of the shooting was looking forward to testifying again but would if necessary.

"They have to think about their wounds, their physical and emotional wounds, every day," he said. "The experience of testifying made this a real emotional roller coaster for them."
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Waechter, 58, was the director of the Jewish charity's annual fundraising campaign. One of the survivors, a pregnant Dayna Klein, took a bullet in her arm as she protected her fetus.

If found guilty, Haq would have been sent to prison for life without the possibility of release. While presenting his insanity defense, Haq's attorneys said he posed a risk to society and should instead be locked in a state mental hospital for the rest of his life.


Wow, that really restores my faith in the criminal justice system.

He marches into an office buidling holding a girl at gunpoint and starts shooting people, and the morons on the jury can't figure out that he's guilty?  Screw it, let the guy go free and put the jury in jail for criminal stupidity.

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This mental illness rhetoric is going too far!
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A father plans to appeal after a Quebec court ruled that he didn't have the right to punish his 12-year-old daughter by banning her from a school trip.

Quebec Superior Court Madam Justice Suzanne Tessier ruled Friday that the girl should be allowed to attend the three-day trip within Quebec this week.

The father first forbade his daughter from going online after the Grade 6 student posted photos on a dating site, the Globe and Mail reported in its Thursday edition.

The girl's parents are divorced, and after she had an alleged row with her stepmother, the dad barred her from going on a school trip to mark the class's graduation from elementary school, the newspaper says.

"When he said, 'OK, it's final. You're not going,' she smacked the door, left and went to live with her mother," the father's lawyer, Kim Beaudoin, told CBC News.

Last Wednesday, the dad received a motion petitioning the court to overturn the punishment.

Two days later, the justice ruled that the punishment was too severe since the girl had already been sufficiently disciplined, said Beaudoin.

Beaudoin said the justice also said there was no reason for the punishment to stand, since the girl was now living with her mother, even though the father has custody.

Beaudoin said the father, who has four children, was "devastated," especially since the ruling came days before Father's Day.

While Beaudoin said the case is a first for her, she doubts it will trigger a flood of similar claims.

"Usually children have lots of respect for their parents and they wouldn't go there," said Beaudoin.

She said the judge stressed that the case was an exception. "But for a field trip, I'm thinking this is a big exception."

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It's pretty bad when a court feels they're the appropriate venue for this kind of case.  The judge should have laughed this out of court.

Sorry Canada.  May god have mercy on your soul.

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"Hmm, the court says you can go on the trip...fine get my belt for your alternative punishment.  What?  Now you don't want to go on the trip?"

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I'm pretty sure that even hinting at using a belt would constitute attempted murder in Canada.

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INDIANAPOLIS - A janitor whom a university official had accused of racial harassment for reading a historical book about the Ku Klux Klan on his break has gotten an apology — months later — from the school.

Charles Bantz, chancellor at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, apologized to Keith John Sampson in a letter dated Friday, saying the school is committed to free expression.

"I can candidly say that we regret this situation took place," Bantz wrote.

Sampson's troubles began last year when a co-worker complained after seeing him reading a book titled "Notre Dame vs. the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan."

The book's cover features white-robed Klansmen and burning crosses against a backdrop of Notre Dame's campus. It recounts a 1924 riot between Notre Dame students and the Klan in which the students from the Catholic university prevailed.

A historical account
Sampson, a 58-year-old white janitor and student majoring in communication studies, said he tried to explain that the book was a historical account.

"I have an interest in American history," Sampson said. "I was trying to educate myself."

But Sampson says his union official likened the book to bringing pornography to work, and the school's affirmative action officer in November told Sampson his conduct constituted racial harassment.

"You used extremely poor judgment by insisting on openly reading the book related to a historically and racially abhorrent subject in the presence of your black co-workers," Lillian Charleston wrote in a letter to Sampson.

Civil liberties groups and bloggers who took up his cause said Sampson had been wrongly cited for reading a book that is carried by the school's library.

"I am sure you see the absurdity of a university threatening an employee with discipline for reading a scholarly work that deals with the efforts of Notre Dame students in the 1920s to fight the KKK," American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana attorney Ken Falk said in a letter to a university lawyer.

The university in February informed Sampson no disciplinary action would be taken because the affirmative action office was unable to determine whether his conduct was intended to disrupt the work environment.

"My prior letter was not meant to imply that it is impermissible for you or to limit your ability to read scholarly books or other such literature during break times," wrote Charleston, who has since retired, in a second letter. "There is no university policy that prohibits reading such materials on break time."

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The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a group that has fought for student rights around the country, said the second letter wasn't good enough.

"By first finding Sampson guilty of racial harassment simply for reading a book in the break room, then refusing to admit the gross impropriety of such a finding, IUPUI makes a mockery of its legal and moral obligations as a public institution of higher learning," wrote Adam Kissel, director of the group's Individual Rights Defense Program.

The university responded with an April letter to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and the ACLU, in which Chancellor Bantz said that he regretted what had happened and that the letters written to Sampson were not in his personnel file.

But Bantz didn't apologize to Sampson until last week, after a column in The Wall Street Journal sparked renewed criticism. Bantz also wrote to the others involved in the incident, including the co-worker who filed the complaint, said university spokesman Rich Schneider.

"The sentiment the chancellor was expressing in all of the letters was that this whole matter could have and should have been handled differently," he said.

Sampson, who still works for the school, said that he accepts the university's apology but that he was hurt by the allegations and has not enjoyed being in the spotlight.

"It's really frustrating for me because I am not the kind of person that they were painting me as," he said.


Wow.  A guy reads a book about how the Klan got thrown out of a university campus, and that somehow offends a black person?  How does that make any frickin' sense?


{Strangelove}You can't read in here, this is a university!{/Strangelove}


What's really funny is that if you look up the name of the Affirmative Action officer quoted in the article, you find this little tidbit...

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Lillian Charleston is nationally recognized for her expertise and knowledge of Affirmative Action and related issues. In addition to serving as the Affirmative Action Officer for IUPUI for the past 16 years, she previously worked as a desegregation specialist for the Indianapolis Public Schools. She has been an officer and board member of the American Association for Affirmative Action and the Indiana Industry Liaison Group. She also supports her community through active board service with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Development Commission, the Indianapolis Urban League, the Indianapolis Chapter of Big Sisters, and the Association for Loan Free Education. She earned her undergraduate and graduate degrees from Indiana University in Urban Studies, Counseling and College Student Personnel.



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If you don't think that is racist...well then you are a racist.


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It's a pity that game only works one way.  If you call a white guy a racist, he's done for life.  If you call a woman or non-white person a racist, people look at you like you've lost your mind.


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Bob, it sounds like we need some affirmative action on that statement you just made.  What could we call it?  Affirmative action against affirmative action flaws.
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Stick wrote on Jul 16th, 2008 at 12:52pm:
Affirmative action against affirmative action flaws.


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• March 31, 2004: The United Nation's International Court of Justice issued an order that U.S. courts must review the cases of 51 condemned Mexican prisoners. The court ruled the prisoners' rights to speak with Mexican consular officials after their arrests had been violated.

• Feb. 28, 2005 : President Bush directed state courts to abide by the world court's decision. He also asked Texas specifically to review the case of Jose Medellin, now scheduled to die by lethal injection Aug. 5.

• March 25, 2008 : The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush could not compel Texas to review Medellin's case. Chief Justice John Roberts said the president cannot unilaterally carry out an international treaty without concurrence of the legislative branch.

• June 20: The Mexican government made an emergency appeal to the U.N.'s highest court to block the executions of its citizens on death row in the U.S.

• July 16 : The world court ordered the U.S. to halt the five pending executions of Mexican nationals on Texas' death row.



Texas will go ahead with the scheduled Aug. 5 execution of Houston rapist-killer Jose Medellin despite Wednesday's United Nations world court order for a stay, a spokesman for Gov. Rick Perry said.

The U.N.'s International Court of Justice's call for stays in the cases of Medellin and four other Mexican nationals awaiting execution in Texas came in response to a petition filed last month by the Mexican government.

The petition sought to halt executions to allow for review of the killers' cases to determine whether denying them access to the Mexican Consulate after arrest impaired their trial defenses.

The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations stipulates that, upon request, an alien offender's national consulate must be notified of his arrest.

In its order, the world court quotes the Mexican government's argument that "Texas has made clear that unless restrained, it will go forward with the execution without providing Mr. Medellin the mandated review and reconsideration," which will "irreparably" breach the U.S. government's obligations to the court's 2004 order.

The Mexican government reasons that "the paramount interest in human life is at stake," according to the court's order. If Medellin and the other nationals are executed without additional court reviews, "Mexico would forever be deprived of the opportunity to vindicate its rights and those of the nationals concerned."

Perry's office dismissed the argument.

"The world court has no standing in Texas and Texas is not bound by a ruling or edict from a foreign court," Perry spokesman Robert Black said. "It is easy to get caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties. It's very important to remember that these individuals are on death row for killing our citizens."

But international law expert Sarah Cleveland, a professor of human and constitutional rights at New York City's Columbia Law School, said if the U.S. fails to act on the world court order, other countries may follow suit.

"This can only come back to hurt U.S. citizens when they are detained abroad," she wrote in an e-mail. " ... When a global leader like the U.S. refuses to comply with its clear international legal obligations (and everyone agrees that this is a clear legal obligation), it undermines the willingness of other states to comply with their own obligations and it inspires them not to trust us to obey ours."

Deadly gang initiation
Medellin, 33, was condemned for the 1993 killings of Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Peña, 16, who stumbled into a drunken midnight gang initiation rite at T.C. Jester Park in northwest Houston.

One of Medellin's accomplices, Derrick O'Brien, was executed in July 2006. Also sentenced to die is gang leader Peter Anthony Cantu. Three other accomplices are serving prison sentences. Medellin was the only non-American involved in the murders.

Wednesday's U.N. court decision in The Hague, Netherlands, was the latest development in an ongoing legal wrangle that has involved President Bush, the U.S. Supreme Court and the Mexican government.

In 2004, the U.N. court ordered a review of the cases of 51 Mexican nationals facing execution in the United States because they had not been allowed to speak with their nation's consular officials.

In February 2005, Bush directed state courts to abide by the U.N. court decision, specifically asking Texas to review Medellin's case.

In March, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush had overstepped his authority. Chief Justice John Roberts said the president cannot order such court reviews without congressional concurrence.

On Monday, U.S. Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., filed a bill providing for such reviews. As of Wednesday, it was in committee.

Weeks after the Supreme Court's ruling, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey jointly wrote Perry asking for his help in obtaining the reviews.

The United States, they wrote, continues to be bound by the world court's decision under international law.

Girls' fathers adamant
Meanwhile, Randy Ertman, father of Jennifer Ertman, hotly denounced the world court's order for stays.

"The world court don't mean diddly," he said. "This business belongs in the state of Texas. The people of the state of Texas support the execution. We thank them. The rest of them can go to hell."

Adolfo Peña, father of Elizabeth Peña, agreed.

"I believe we've been through all the red tape we can go through," he said. "It's time to rock and roll."


Heck yeah!  God, I love Texas!

These guys on death row are some seriously sick people, and I'm glad Texas is doing what is necessary to enforce their verdicts.


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Is it just me or is this the scariest part?  Since when did we give up our sovereignty to a bunch of globalist douche bags?

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New York State will prohibit sales and rentals of video games without ratings prominently displayed on their covers and it will ban the sale of consoles that lack technology for parental blocking.

New York Gov. David Paterson signed a bill into law on Tuesday that will require the prominent display of ratings and require game consoles sold in New York to have technology that allows parents to block certain games. The law also requires the state to create an advisory council to review video games' voluntary ratings system for accuracy and effectiveness.

The law aims to give the state and parents greater control over violent and inappropriate content, but critics say it goes too far and will curb free speech.

"Read together, these provisions would create a state system regulating how video games are sold and played based on content that the First Amendment protects from regulation," the New York State Civil Liberties Union explained in a statement.

New York Sen. Andrew Lanza, a Republican from Staten Island, introduced the bill. He chairs the Senate Task Force on youth Violence and the Entertainment Industry. Assemblyman Joseph Lentol, a Brooklyn Democrat, drafted the matching bill in the New York State Assembly.

"Many studies have indicated that violent behavior is learned," Lanza said in a statement. "Technology advances have allowed video games to become increasingly more realistic and interactive, and unfortunately more violent. Some games simply aren't appropriate for nine- and ten-year-old children, for example. Children's behavior is far too often shaped by these violent virtual reality video games. It is important that we arm parents with the information needed to shield their children from these corrupting influences."

The NYCLU and the National Coalition Against Censorship fought to kill the legislation.

"New Yorkers do not need the state judging which video games are appropriate and which aren't," NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman, said. "Parents, not government committees, should be responsible for making those judgments. If the legislature wants to reduce youth violence, it should fund educational programs to teach students conflict resolution skills."

In a letter to Gov. Paterson, the two groups said the legislation unconstitutionally restricts video game sales based on a belief that viewing violent images leads to violence. They cited a recent study from the Harvard Medical School Center for Public Health and Media which found little evidence of a causal link between playing violent video games and violent behavior. The groups pointed out that the authors of the study refute research that points to a link, saying it's based on "scanty evidence, inaccurate assumptions and pseudoscience."

"The entertainment industry's current rating system for video games already helps parents make informed decisions," Joan Bertin, NCAC executive director, said. "The system cannot become subject to the government's editorial oversight without violating the First Amendment."

The conservative group, Americans For Tax Reform, also opposed the bill.


Hopefully, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would refuse and tell New York to go screw themselves.  Then New Yorkers might finally be convinced to get off their collective butts and voice their thoughts on the matter.

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I agree with this law.  Violent video games are the only reason there are criminals in the world.

Get those bastard crime lords aka sony, microsoft, and the worst one...nintendo!
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The City Council was poised to vote Tuesday on a moratorium on new fast-food restaurants in a swath of the city where a proliferation of such eateries goes hand-in-hand with obesity.

"Our communities have an extreme shortage of quality foods," City Councilman Bernard Parks said.

The aim of the yearlong moratorium, which was approved last week in committee, is to give the city time to try to attract restaurants that serve healthier food.

The California Restaurant Association says the moratorium, which could be extended up to two years, is misguided.

Fast food "is the only industry that wants to be in South LA," said association spokesman Andrew Casana. "Sit-down restaurants don't want to go in. If they did, they'd be there. This moratorium isn't going to help them relocate."

The proposed ban comes at a time when governments of all levels are increasingly viewing menus as a matter of public health. Last Friday, California became the first state in the nation to bar trans fats, which lowers levels of good cholesterol and increases bad cholesterol.

It also comes as the Los Angeles City Council tackles issues beyond safety, schools and streets. The council last week decided to outlaw plastic bags.

Fast-food restaurants have found themselves in the frying pan in a number of cities. Some places, including Carmel-by-the Sea and Calistoga, have barred "formula" restaurants altogether; others have placed a cap on them _ Arcata allows a maximum of nine fast-food eateries; others have prohibited the restaurants in certain areas, such as Port Jefferson, N.Y., in its waterfront area.

Most initiatives were designed to preserve a city's historic character. The Los Angeles bid is one of few that cite residents' health.

The mounting pressure has caused chains to insert healthier food choices in their menus. McDonalds offers salads and low-fat dressings; Burger King stocks Kids Meals with milk and apple pieces.

That's why the restaurant industry says it's unfair to blame them for fat people.

"What's next _ security guards at the door saying 'You're overweight, you can't have a cheeseburger'?" Casana said.

But public health officials say obesity has reached epidemic proportions in low-income areas such as South Los Angeles and diet is the key reason.

According to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, 30 percent of adults in South Los Angeles area are obese, compared to 19.1 percent for the metropolitan area and 14.1 percent for the affluent westside. Minorities are particularly affected: 28.7 percent of Latinos and 27.7 percent of blacks are obese, compared to 16.6 percent of whites.

Perry says that's no accident. South LA residents lack healthy food options, including grocery stores, fresh produce markets _ and full-service restaurants with wait staff and food prepared to order.

A report by the Community Health Councils found 73 percent of South L.A. restaurants were fast food, compared to 42 percent in West Los Angeles.

If the moratorium is passed, Perry wants to lure restaurateurs and grocery retailers to area.

Rebeca Torres, a South Los Angeles mother of four, said she would welcome more dining choices, even if she had to pay a little more. "They should have better things for children," she said. "This fast-food really fattens them up."


I guess LA cares more about starving the fatties than it does about feeding the poor.  Do they really think this is going to help?

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haha, no.  California is hella broke.  They need any and all laws that they can get people to break so they can collect fines.

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Yes, because no one can go outside the confines of LA to get away from this law...well at least until they put up an entire wall so that no one can ESCAPE FROM LA.  Not even the President's daughter and Snake Pliskin has to go in.

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Yes, because no one can go outside the confines of LA to get away from this law...well at least until they put up an entire wall so that no one can ESCAPE FROM LA.  Not even the President's daughter and Snake Pliskin has to go in.

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It could be worse.  They could be trying to Escape From New York.

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We revel in it.

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I like grape the best.  The rainbow box is scrumptious as well...of course, I'm always worried when Wes gets close to something rainbow colored so I have to keep them in the closet he he.

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Don't worry, Pat, you'll be able to come out of the closet eventually.

For the record, I too prefer grape.


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Well Craig, if your mom wasn't so hairy I wouldn't need the protection a furry suit offers me.

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Hmm, speaking of funny things yelled out of moving cars...

Briney, do you still have those seat covers?!
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Want to know why I believe the war on terror is a farce.  Here is one example:

Here are two news stories.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/28/terror/main4301490.shtml

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1517986


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One of al Qaeda’s top chemical and biological weapons experts was killed in an air strike by a CIA pilotless drone in a remote Pakistani border region, senior Pakistani intelligence officials told CBS News Tuesday morning. Intelligence officials investigating the early Monday missile attack confirmed that Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri was one of six men killed and his remains had been positively identified.


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ABC News has learned that Pakistani officials now believe that al Qaeda’s master bomb maker and chemical weapons expert was one of the men killed in last week’s U.S. missile attack in eastern Pakistan. Midhat Mursi, 52, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri, was identified by Pakistani authorities as one of four known major al Qaeda leaders present at an apparent terror summit in the village of Damadola early last Friday morning. The United States had posted a $5 million reward for Mursi’s capture.


It appears to be the same story right?  Except for the fact that the first one is from 2008 and the second one is from 2006.  We've seen this time and again with Al CIA-adea's #2 in Iraq being killed again and again and again.

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Hmm, that's more than a little eyebrow-raising.

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One of the articles says that they believe(unconfirmed) he is dead and one says he is dead(confirmed).  Its probably hard to confirm kills these days when all we do is call in airstrikes and hellicopter raids,  blow everything up and then try to identify the minced body parts.
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Ahh, here's the rub...

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Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar, known as Abu Khabab al-Masri (Arabic:مدحت مرسي السيـد عمر) (April 29, 1953, Egypt – July 28, 2008, Pakistan) was a chemist and alleged top bomb maker for al-Qaeda and part of Osama bin-Laden's inner circle. The United States had a US$5 million bounty on his head. Although reportedly killed in a U.S. attack in January 2006, intelligence officials now believe he survived and went on to attempt to resurrect al Qaeda's program to develop or obtain weapons of mass destruction.[1] According to Pakistani and Taliban spokesmen, Mursi was killed in a second missile attack on 28 July 2008, thought to be by US UAV launched missiles.[2]



It looks like Stick nailed it.

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Are far as protests go...I have to say that this is the most creative one I've ever seen.

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CANCER patients are to be denied drugs that could keep them alive after the NHS rationing watchdog ruled that they are too expensive.

Patient groups said the decision, announced today by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice), would condemn many sufferers of kidney cancer to an "early death''.

The four prohibited medicines include Sutent, which can prolong life in kidney cancer patients by up to two years. The draft guidance also rejects Avastin, Nexavar and Torisel.

Nice said the drugs were too expensive, at about pounds 24,000 a year per patient, for the benefits they offered and would mean the health service was less able to afford more cost-effective drugs for other illnesses. However, the decision reignites the debate around how the NHS prioritises which drugs are approved for use.

It comes just a week after Andrew Dillon, the chief executive of Nice, said smokers and the obese should not be denied NHS medication because of their lifestyle.

Following Nice's latest decision, one surgeon said there would be no point in accepting kidney cancer patients if he was not able to prescribe Sutent because so few respond to other treatments.

Prof John Wagstaff, from the South West Wales Cancer Institute, in Swansea, said: "The possibility that we clinicians may be prevented from offering Sutent to our patients is an outrage. This decision will mean that the UK will have the poorest survival figures [for the cancer] in Europe.''

Prof Peter Littlejohns, Nice's clinical and public health director, said: "Although these treatments are clinically effective, regrettably the cost to the NHS is such that they are not a cost-effective use of NHS resources.'' He added that the organisation had to make some of the "hardest'' decisions in public life.

Around 7,000 patients are diagnosed with kidney cancer in Britain every year. The disease progresses to the advanced stage in around 1,700 cases annually.

Approximately 3,600 patients in Britain would be eligible for Sutent, which acts against the growth of advanced kidney cancer and is available more widely in France and Germany.

Campaigners said patients would be left with just one other option, Interferon, but many sufferers do not respond to the drug. Otherwise they would have to pay for the drugs privately.

Nice previously faced controversy over its advice that Herceptin, the breast cancer drug, could only be used for advanced cases. Following a sustained campaign and legal battles, the drug was allowed for early stages of the disease.

In May, the Court of Appeal ruled that Nice had been procedurally unfair in refusing to give anti-dementia medicines such as Aricept, costing about pounds 2.50 a day, to thousands of Alzheimer's patients. They have so far been denied the medicines, and are awaiting Nice's economic reasoning.

James Whale, the broadcaster who was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 2000, said Sutent had given many families "hope for the future'' and urged Nice to think again.

He said: "If final guidance remains as it currently stands it will certainly mean an early death sentence for many.''

Some local health care trusts have been offering the drug to small numbers of patients.

William James Lloyd, 62, was given Sutent after being diagnosed with cancer three years ago, and says it allowed him to see the birth of his two youngest grandchildren.

The retired headmaster from Llanddewi Brefi in Ceredigion, west Wales, said: "This drug has let me live to see things I could not have seen otherwise.''

Nice does not intend to offer a final decision until January. Patients already on the medication should continue to receive the drugs until they and their doctor think it is appropriate to stop treatment, according to the guidance.

Pat Hanlon, from Kidney Cancer UK, said that the decision would have a "devastating impact on patients."


This is yet another reason why socialized healthcare is such a bad idea.  When the .gov gets to make life or death decisions on your behalf simply because a treatment is "too costly," you know something is serious screwed up.

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GAITHERSBURG, Md. — Fires in the 47-story office tower at the edge of the World Trade Center site undermined floor beams and critical structural columns, federal investigators concluded Thursday, as they attempted to curb still-rampant speculation that explosives or fuel fires were responsible for the building’s collapse of Sept. 11, 2001.

The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

Mainstream engineers and government officials have rejected the speculation as ridiculous. But national polls have shown that perhaps as many as 1 in 7 Americans believe that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was an inside job.

The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

Skeptics have questioned if explosives were planted at 7 World Trade Center, as well as the twin towers and the Pentagon, as the Bush administration was seeking a justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What started as a small number of such conspiracy theorists has only ballooned into a movement of sorts, largely fed by Internet sites that promote the theories.

“Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns,” said Richard Gage, a California architect who leader a group called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. “There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”

The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building — to power the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center and other government offices — might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, based in part on computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.

Dr. Sunder said the investigation pointed to how expansion that can occur in steel as it heats up in a fire needs to be considered to prevent skyscraper collapses.

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”

A new, substantially different, 52-story 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006.



I'd love to know what Stewie and Briney think of this.


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The NIST report for WTC 1 and 2 came out way too quickly and we had to wait 7 years for them to get around to BS and tamper with the evidence for WTC 7.
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Video and photographic evidence?  I hope they finally release some.  The authors of the 9/11 conspiracy lies book from PopMechanics said they saw photos only they were allowed to see.  I wonder if we'll get to see the entire floors gutted as they claimed they were.  If NIST and that book are opposite in any detail, one of them should be called into question if not both.  Also, computer simulations are not evidence, there are 3 different versions alone of the Pentagon hits and there are at least 2 computer simulations of both WTC 1 and 2.

What I'm really looking forward to, if they cover it at all are two simple questions:

1) Why did WTC7 call at near free fall speeds?

2) Why did WTC7 fall in its own footprints?

There are other questions I have but the NIST report won't cover it.  Such as:

1) Why is there video of a crew man saying they were getting ready to "pull" the building (demolition lingo for taking down a building with controlled demolitions).

2) Larry Silverstein, the own of the WTC complex, is on record saying that he knew the building was coming down and that they were going to "pull the building".  If that's not in the NIST report somewhere it should still be explain.

3) If WTC1 and 2 came down somehow because of jet fuel then what did cause WTC7 to ignite fires especially since it's the furthest building away and other buildings that had 1 and 2 fall on them didn't come down or ignite fires.

4) If high rise steel buildings are this weak to come down as a result of a little fire, do insurance companies need to raise their rates for buildings like these?  Also when did steel because a puss construction material and melt at far less temperatures than its chemical bonds allow it?

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I think that says it right there.  Get rid of the place that the operation was carried out from.

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Amazing, a news article is finally reporting things we 9/11 Truthers have been saying since day 1.  9/11 was the first, last, and only time that a steel building has collapse as a result of fire.  Let's not forget that the entire structure (1, 2, and 7) were both demolished/destroyed completely.  That means that every single critical part of that building had to fail.  The designer and primary repair person are on record saying that they never thought any of those buildings would come down, even after seeing planes crash into it.

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Mainstream engineers and government officials have rejected the speculation as ridiculous. But national polls have shown that perhaps as many as 1 in 7 Americans believe that the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was an inside job.


Over 1/2 of all New Yorkers believe this in a Zogby pole and at least 1/3 of all American believe this in a CNN/ABC/etc. polls.

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The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.


So let's see here.  A building that is built to house a command center from the mayor, CIA, and a bunch of govt agencies is so flimsy that particle debris can ignite a fire, the sprinkler system could fail, fire fighters stop trying to put out the fire just because, and this is some 6 hours after the collapse.  Not to mention Rudy Guillani is on record saying that he was told to leave WTC7 because it was going to collapse.  If they knew all this, why didn't they try and put out the fire that would lead to more rubble and possibly more causalities.  You also have to explain Silverstein's "pull it" comment.

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The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.


We must stop building strong steel buildings like this!  If one small beam is out of place just a little a whole building could fall down!  What do we call this again?  Oh right...BS!

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Skeptics have questioned if explosives were planted at 7 World Trade Center, as well as the twin towers and the Pentagon, as the Bush administration was seeking a justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What started as a small number of such conspiracy theorists has only ballooned into a movement of sorts, largely fed by Internet sites that promote the theories.


Well where else can the normal people of America get a free voice?  Main stream media?  Nope.  Public forums?  Oh that's right PATRIOT ACT and Ashcroft and Bush have said no to this.  So ya, the Internet is our only recourse to question our elected officials.  Because asking questions can now get you on the No Fly List, thrown into a secret prison without trial, and labeled a "nut" even by those you elected.

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“Seven World Trade Center is one of the key points of evidence, one of the smoking guns,” said Richard Gage, a California architect who leader a group called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. “There have been much hotter, longer lasting and larger fires in skyscrapers that have not fallen down.”


I advise anyone to go to A&E for 9/11 Truth's website.  They are an amazing group.  These people aren't quacks, they know what they're talking about because it's their livelihood to know things like this!

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The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

The engineers also examined whether diesel fuel tanks in the building — to power the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center and other government offices — might have been a fuel source that caused the collapse. The investigators determined, based in part on computer models and videos of smoke coming from the tower, that the heat generated from any fuel-fed fires would not have been enough to cause the collapse.


This was one of 5...FIVE...different explanations given by all sorts of government agencies and published magazines attempting to debunk the "9/11 lies".  If you're a cop and a suspect changes his story, wouldn't that make you mighty suspicious?

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Dr. Sunder said the investigation pointed to how expansion that can occur in steel as it heats up in a fire needs to be considered to prevent skyscraper collapses.

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”


Before I make any more assumptions I'd like to get my hands on the report when it comes out.  Then I can do a more thorough job at a response.

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A new, substantially different, 52-story 7 World Trade Center opened in 2006.


Hopefully no one will smoke by it because if one ember gets on the new carpet...THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO TURN INTO A ROCKET SHIP AND BLOW UP!

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1

What happens when a real reporter who doesn't want to be controlled by corporate and political ties tries to report on a subject that actually affects the American voters?

You get arrested.

Can you tell me who else used the police in order to silence people in the media who didn't go with the state?

How about every dictator who ever rose to power?  And just think of it, this is a whole country's political power behind it.

Too sad, screw American.

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Did anyone see them put the black sack over his head after they put him in the van? 

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Wow, that's really un-American.  WTF, over?

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Technologists and privacy advocates are very concerned by the United Nations' (UN's) International Telecommunication Union's (ITU's) drafting of technical standards proposed by the Chinese government to define techniques of tracing the original source of Internet communications and potentially restricting the ability of users to maintain anonymity. "What's distressing is that it doesn't appear that there's been any real consideration of how this type of capability could be misused," says Electronic Privacy Information Center director Marc Rotenberg. One of the most disturbing aspects of the initiative is that it could institutionalize a means for governments to suppress their opposition, which conflicts with the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, notes Columbia University computer scientist Steve Bellovin in a recent blog post. Countering distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks is the most commonly cited rationale for IP tracebacks, but Bellovin says the method's usefulness in this regard has waned because few attacks employ spoofed addresses, there are too many sources in a DDoS attack to be useful, and the source computer inevitably would turn out to be compromised anyway. Technologist Jacob Appelbaum warns that a traceback system would offer malevolent hackers the ability to commit wrongdoing without being caught, thus abusing the very system that is designed to trace them. The official charter of the ITU's Q6/17 group states that it will work "in collaboration" with the Internet Engineering Task Force and the U.S. Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center, which could supply a route toward widespread acceptance. A formal legal mandate to adopt IP traceback would likely be blocked by the First Amendment in the United States.



There is no way in Hell this will ever happen, but its interesting nonetheless to see what the UN is up to.


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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cleared-jury-decides-tha...

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The threat of global warming is so great that campaigners were justified in causing more than £35,000 worth of damage to a coal-fired power station, a jury decided yesterday. In a verdict that will have shocked ministers and energy companies the jury at Maidstone Crown Court cleared six Greenpeace activists of criminal damage.

Jurors accepted defence arguments that the six had a "lawful excuse" to damage property at Kingsnorth power station in Kent to prevent even greater damage caused by climate change. The defence of "lawful excuse" under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 allows damage to be caused to property to prevent even greater damage – such as breaking down the door of a burning house to tackle a fire.



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I am going to go destroy a car which contributes to global warming. Hey why not annihilate everyone's car in Detroit, or even Michigan. Sweet, yea take that global warming! Next, every power plant and airplane and boat, and you know what... people expel gas out their rear ends which contributes to global warming. Yeee haw I am going to go kill half the country. At least I am legal.

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Why only take it that far.  People are the ones responsible for breathing out carbon and making things that do so.

WE COULD KILL EVERYONE!

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X wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 9:34am:
WE COULD KILL EVERYONE!


Make it so, #2.

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‘Young, Single and Sterilized’ article advertises for birth control clinic founded by Nazi eugenicist Marie Stopes

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Tuesday, September 23, 2008

A popular women’s magazine in the UK recently featured an article entitled, Young, Single and Sterilized, in which women in their 20’s discussed why they had undergone an operation to prevent them from ever having children. The article is little more than PR for a “women’s charity” called Marie Stopes International, an organization that carries out abortions and sterilizations and was founded by a Nazi eugenicist who advocated compulsory sterilization of non-whites and “those of bad character”.

The story appears in a weekly magazine called Love It (click for PDF enlargement). One of the women featured in the article, Chloe, explains why she decided to have herself sterilized at the age of just 20.

“By the time I was 18, I knew I was never going to change. I couldn’t imagine letting something take over my body and then my whole life.”

“I couldn’t even look at a baby without feeling uncomfortable.”

Following the sterilization procedure, Chloe celebrates the fact that “I’ve got a lifetime of going out ahead of me now,” presumably meaning going out, getting mindlessly drunk and having sex with random strangers, as is British culture, while not having to worry about the risk of pregnancy or the responsibility of looking after a child.

(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)


Despite admitting that she has not told any of her family and not even her own mother about the sterilization, the article ends with Chloe boldly stating that it was, “the most sensible adult decision I’ll ever make.”

Another ’success story’ as the article skews it is Charlie McCann, who was sterilized on her 30th birthday and, we read, “is happy with her choice, insisting the men in her life have to adjust.” Her then boyfriend decided to adjust by ending the relationship because he couldn’t bear never having children.

Ironically, another woman speaks about how she first became interested in the idea of being sterilized after reading about the subject in a women’s magazine.

Jacquelyn Arnold tells of how she felt “irritation” at the sight of children playing in a garden and decided to go ahead with the operation, which is described in routine and straightforward terms. Arnold says she has no regrets and has ‘taken control of her life’.

Sterilization is lauded as an “excellent method of birth control” by Dr. Patricia Lohr of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service.

The article includes an advertisement that encourages women to seek “more information about sterilization” by contacting Marie Stopes International. We read that, “Over the past year, a quarter of the women who booked a sterilisation consultation with women’s charity Marie Stopes were aged 30 or under.”

Marie Stopes was a feminist who opened the first birth control clinic in Britain in 1921 as well as being Nazi sympathizer and a eugenicist who advocated that non-whites and the poor be sterilized.

Stopes, a racist and an anti-Semite, campaigned for selective breeding to achieve racial purity, a passion she shared with Adolf Hitler in adoring letters and poems that she sent the leader of the Third Reich.

Stopes also attended the Nazi congress on population science in Berlin in 1935, while calling for the “compulsory sterilization of the diseased, drunkards, or simply those of bad character.” Stopes acted on her appalling theories by concentrating her abortion clinics in poor areas so as to reduce the birth rate of the lower classes.

Stopes left most of her estate to the Eugenics Society, an organization that shared her passion for racial purity and still exists today under the new name The Galton Institute. The society has included members such as Charles Galton Darwin (grandson of the evolutionist), Julian Huxley and Margaret Sanger.

Ominously, The Galton Institute website promotes its support and funding initiative for “the practical delivery of family planning facilities, especially in developing countries.” In other words, the same organization that once advocated sterilizing black people to achieve racial purity in the same vein as the Nazis is now bankrolling abortions of black babies in the third world.

While the issue of abortion is an entirely different argument, most would agree that no matter how extreme it sounds, a woman has the right to sterilize herself if she so chooses, just as a man has the right to a vasectomy.

But when a magazine aimed primarily at young women all but encourages girls as young as 20 to have their fallopian tubes tied in order to prevent the “irritation” of children entering their lives and then advertises an organization founded by a Nazi eugenicist that can perform the operation, something has to be amiss.

Even more shocking than this is the fact that the majority of people in the UK routinely express their support for society’s “undesirables” to be forcibly sterilized by the state, harking back to a time when such a thing was commonplace right up to the 1970’s in some areas of America and Europe.

As we highlighted earlier this month, respondents to a Daily Mail article about Royal Mail honoring Marie Stopes by using her image on a commemorative stamp were not disgusted at Royal Mail for paying homage to a racist Nazi eugenicist, but were merely keen to express their full agreement that those deemed not to be of pure genetic stock or of the approved character should be forcibly sterilized and prevented from having children.

“A lot of people should be sterilized, IMO. It’s still true today,” wrote one.

“Just imagine what a stable, well-ordered society we’d have if compulsory sterilisation had been adopted years ago for the socially undesirable,” states another respondent, calling for a “satellite-carried sterilisation ray” to be installed in space to zap the undesirables.

Shockingly, another compares sterilization and genocide of those deemed inferior to the breeding and culling of farmyard animals, and says that such a move is necessary to fight overpopulation and global warming. Here is the comment in full from “Karen” in Wales;

    We breed farm animals to produce the best possible stock and kill them when they have fulfilled their purpose. We inter-breed pedigree animals to produce extremes that leave them open to ill-health and early death. It is only religion that says humans are not animals. The reality is that we are simply intelligent, mammalian primates.

    The world population of humans has increased from 2 billion to 6.5 billion in the last 50 years. This planet can support 2 billion humans comfortably. 6.5 billion humans use too many resources and leads to global warming, climate change and a very uncertain future for all of us - humans and all other life sharing this planet with us.

    Marie Stopes believed in population control and in breeding the best possible humans. So did Hitler. Neither of the aims are bad in themselves. It is how they are achieved that is the problem. The fact that we still remember Marie Stopes is an achievement in itself.

The nature of these comments is so fundamentally sick and twisted that one is tempted to dismiss them as a joke - but these people are deadly serious. Presumably they would also agree with China’s one child policy, which is routinely enforced by intimidation as young pregnant women are grabbed off the streets by state goons and taken to hospitals where forced abortions are carried out.

Now with popular women’s magazines advising women in their 20’s where they can go to be sterilized and ensure a lifetime of partying and carefree sex, it’s no surprise that experts predict that by 2010 one in four western women will be child free for life.

The yearning to have children is the most beautiful, natural and innate emotion either a man or a woman can possibly experience. That is not to say that it’s always wrong for some people not to have children - extreme circumstances can justify such a decision. But to have yourself sterilized because you find children to be an “irritant” and want to live a life free of responsibility or consequences is an awful message to send to young women, especially in the sex-saturated entertainment culture that we are now forced to endure.

Furthermore, the outright promotion of Marie Stopes International as ‘the place to go’ to get sterilized if you’re under 30 is stomach-churning considering the fact that the origins of this organization can be found in Nazi ideology, racist and backward early 20th century eugenics and a long-standing agenda to cull the population of undesirables, an abhorrent belief still held by elites across the planet today.


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Reply #1129 - Sep 24th, 2008 at 8:46am
 
This is going to sound bad...but some people should NOT be allowed to breed.

Like the story b0b posted about the 40-something year old woman who has never had a job and has 5 kids living off the state.  Why the hell did she feel that it was alright to have a child?
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The state has no authority to say she can't have children.  By the same token, though, the state has no obligation to support her or her children.

If there is one thing that has been proven by virtually every government in human history, its the tendency to use "reasonable" measures in unreasonable ways.  If the government had the authority to enforce sterilization of undesireable citizens, that authority would eventually creep over to other elements of society.  Eventually, political dissidents and chronic traffic violators would be sterilized "for the good of the state."

If you want to be a fat lazy slob and have 57 kids, knock yourself out.  But don't expect me to pay a dime for you or your offspring.


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Congress threatened with martial law?

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This entire process is just sad, sad, sad.

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Stewie, maybe you should be applying to the Atlanta PD.  It sounds like they would hire a "clean" candidate in a heartbeat!

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Keovongsa Siharath was arrested in Henry County on charges he punched his stepfather.

Jeffrey Churchill was charged with assault in an altercation with a woman in a mall parking lot.

Calvin Thomas was taken into custody in DeKalb County on a concealed weapons charge.

All three are now officers with the Atlanta Police Department.

More than one-third of recent Atlanta Police Academy graduates have been arrested or cited for a crime, according to a review of their job applications. The arrests ranged from minor offenses such as shoplifting to violent charges including assault. More than one-third of the officers had been rejected by other law enforcement agencies, and more than half of the recruits admitted using marijuana.

“On its face, it’s troubling and disturbing,” said Vincent Fort, a state senator from Atlanta. “It would be very troubling that people might be hitting the streets to serve and protect and they have histories that have made them unqualified to serve on other departments.”

But Atlanta police say it’s not so simple. Officials have been trying without success for more than a decade to grow the department

to 2,000 officers, an effort hurt by this year’s budget crisis. With competition for recruits intense among law enforcement agencies, Atlanta has had to make concessions.

“We would like, in an ideal world, to see every applicant with a clean record, but obviously that’s not reality,” said Atlanta police Lt. Elder Dancy, who runs the department’s recruitment unit. “I don’t think you’ll find any departments who hire only applicants with squeaky-clean records.”

Three decades ago, a police officer with a criminal record was much less common than it is now, said Robert Friedmann, a criminal justice professor at Georgia State University. But times have changed and many agencies have had to relax their hiring policies, Friedmann said.

Other local police agencies have hiring guidelines similar to Atlanta’s. Police departments for Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett counties don’t hire recruits with felony convictions but do hire those with misdemeanor arrests, on a case-by-case basis.

Dancy would not divulge all of Atlanta’s restrictions but said the department won’t hire anyone with felony convictions, or those with convictions for obstruction of justice, sex or domestic crimes.

Even so, police documents show that many of their recruits have blemishes on their records.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, through an Open Records Act request, asked in mid-August for the job applications of the Atlanta Police Department’s two most recent graduating classes. The department provided 36 applications for police recruits who graduated June 10 and Aug. 4. All the graduates are currently Atlanta police officers.

The most revealing portion of the application is a questionnaire that includes some probing questions:

Have you ever used marijuana?

Have you ever been with a prostitute?

Have you ever driven under the influence of alcohol or drugs?

And: Have you ever been physically arrested or cited with criminal charges?

Twelve out of 33 officers — 36 percent — said they have been arrested or cited with a criminal offense.

“It does not mean they’re not a quality candidate,” Dancy said, adding that the department runs criminal background checks on all recruits. “It just means they made a mistake in their past.”

Officer Siharath was taken to the Henry County Jail in December 2005 after an altercation with his stepfather at his family’s home in Stockbridge, according to a police report.

Siharath, then 24, returned home to find his stepfather moving his belongings back into his mother’s house. He told his stepfather to leave, but the older man refused, the report said.

They argued, then Siharath pushed the man onto the floor and punched him in the head, the stepfather and Siharath’s mother told police. The battery charge against Siharath was later dropped in court.

Siharath could not be reached for comment on the incident, and Atlanta police would not make him available for an interview.

A decade earlier, Officer Thomas was arrested during a traffic stop in DeKalb County on charges of having a concealed weapon, he wrote in his job application.

The officer asked Thomas “if I had any weapons in the car, [and] I stated yes,” he wrote. “The officer asked where, and I told him under the seat. I was arrested for a misdemeanor — carrying a concealed weapon.”

Thomas, who paid a fine and spent a year on probation, declined to comment for this article.

Officer Churchill wrote that he was arrested in December 1995 on a charge of fourth-degree assault. Without getting into much detail, he wrote that he got into an argument with a woman in a mall parking lot, received two years of probation and an order to pay a $71 fine. Churchill could not be reached for comment on the incident, and Atlanta police would not make him available for an interview.

Friedmann, the criminal justice professor, said he “would have hoped the number [of recruits with prior arrests or criminal citations] would be lower.”

He and another criminal justice professor, Peter Fenton of Kennesaw State University, say the arrest numbers are not as significant when three factors are considered: the severity of the incident, how long ago it happened and whether it resulted in conviction.

With those factors considered, “your numbers will probably drop to about half of that,” Friedmann said.

The AJC could not analyze all those factors because recruits sometimes gave incomplete answers on the application.

Fenton, a former Cobb County police officer, said he was more concerned with the AJC’s next finding: Twelve out of 33 graduates — 36 percent — acknowledged that they had been rejected by other law enforcement agencies, including some in metro Atlanta.

“That, frankly, is more troubling to me — especially when these people have been rejected by multiple agencies,” he said.

Three officers’ rejections stemmed from failing the psychiatric or psychological portion of police agencies’ screening processes. Others were turned away because they failed lie-detector tests or offered conflicting statements about issues such as drug use.

Dancy said those issues raise red flags, but what matters most is whether recruits can pass the Atlanta Police Department’s tests and interviews.

When asked whether the department was getting top-shelf candidates, Dancy said, “as long as those applicants meet the guidelines, then we feel like we are hiring the type of officers who are [fit to be] Atlanta police officers.”

Officer Mark Moore applied for jobs with other police agencies before graduating from the Atlanta Police Academy. He tried to get a job with Atlanta police in 2004 but was rejected. He also failed a written test for the Knoxville police.

When he applied to another police department in 2002, “their psychologist deemed me to be ‘psychologicaly incompatable’ [sic] for the L.A.P.D.,” he wrote in his Atlanta job application.

Moore declined to comment when reached by phone.

More than half the graduates admitted using marijuana, though many said they did it only a few times during their high school or college years.

News researchers Nisa Asokan and Sharon Gaus and former data analyst Megan Clarke contributed to this report.


I wonder why Atlanta is so hard-up for police officers?  Do they have a bad reputation as an agency or something?

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Actually Atlanta PD is a great place to work.  They have good benefits, good pay, they don't have a bad reputation, and if you want work - Atlanta has a decent crime rate for the population they have.  It's no where bad like Miami, D.C., LA, or D-Town.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-seek-to-censor-the-media-10066...

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The Intelligence and Security Committee, the parliamentary watchdog of the intelligence and security agencies which has a cross-party membership from both Houses, wants to press ministers to introduce legislation that would prevent news outlets from reporting stories deemed by the Government to be against the interests of national security.


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Those guys are in bad, bad need of a first amendment.

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This is what we're up against.

On Sunday morning, amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our President-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful church goers.

They did it with banners, chants, blasphemy, by storming the pulpit, by vandalizing the church facility, by potentially defiling the building with lude, public, sex acts and by intentionally forcing physical confrontations with worshipers.


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Reply #1139 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 7:27am
 
Sounds like someone needs to cast out the temple prostitutes and money changes from the House of the Lord!

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Reply #1140 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 10:49pm
 
I agree wholeheartedly.  Let's put together some whips and get to it!


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Reply #1141 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 10:02am
 
What is all this requesting cash from the government crap.  Now every company thinks they can get money from the gov.  American Express?  Give me a break, they hand out credit cards like candy and expect not to run out of money?  Have they seen the statistics of credit card debt lately? wtf.
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Netflix streaming takes a serious hit, Columbia Pictures not watchable on 360 screenshot

I fired up my 360 and installed the New Xbox Experience last night.. After making my avatar and fiddling with the menus, I sunk my teeth into the feature I was most looking forward to, Netflix streaming, and watched a couple episodes of a short-lived, Jay Mohr TV show.

This afternoon, I went back to watch some more, only to discover that the show was no longer listed in my Instant Watch Queue on the 360. A quick trip to the Netflix website revealed that, yes, it was still in my queue but, no, it was not available for Xbox.

Apparently, a lot of movies and TV shows have dropped off the face of the service over the last twenty-four hours. Joystiq did a little bit of matlocking and found the thing that they all have in common: Columbia Pictures, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sony Pictures Entertainment. What an amazing coincidence!

There is, at present, no way of knowing if a movie you want to watch is on the 360 blacklist until it's in your queue, where Netflix lists what videos cannot be watched on the console. So, if you were planning on curling up on the couch to watch The Freshman (as I had wanted to do later this evening), you're out of luck.


I think this is a fairly sophomoric move for Sony, but I also find it somewhat funny.  We'll see how long this lasts, and whether or not Sony will stick to their guns.

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Reply #1143 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 10:27am
 
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/20/africa/20nuke.php

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Iran has now produced roughly enough nuclear material to make, with added purification, a single atom bomb, according to nuclear experts analyzing the latest report from global atomic inspectors.

The figures detailing Iran's progress were contained in a routine update on Wednesday from the International Atomic Energy Agency, which has been conducting inspections of the country's main nuclear plant at Natanz. The report concluded that as of early this month, Iran had made 630 kilograms, or about 1,390 pounds, of low-enriched uranium.


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I'm sure alarmists will jump all over this one. Iran's enriched uranium is about 3-5% enrichment. you need 90% to make a bomb.  But hey lets just go into panic mode.
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Reply #1144 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 11:37am
 
Details, shemales!

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Reply #1146 - Nov 24th, 2008 at 10:52am
 
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/11/chinese-automakers-may-buy-gm-and-chrysler/

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Chinese carmakers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire GM and Chrysler, China’s 21st Century Business Herald reports today… The paper cites a senior official of China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology– the state regulator of China’s auto industry– who dropped the hint that “the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers.”


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Reply #1147 - Nov 24th, 2008 at 11:45am
 
I highly doubt GM or Ford would get bought wholesale by SAIC or Dongfeng (heh, I said dong).  Even Chrysler is somewhat iffy.

Now, purchasing some of their assets (namely factories) on Chinese soil I could definitely see.  I read an article a couple months back saying those factories were the only profitable assets GM owned, and I'm sure Ford/Chrysler are much the same.

Without a doubt, this would be very, very bad for America.  We don't have a whole lot of manufacturing capacity left, and manufacturing + capital = wealth.  We don't want to lose that, and surely not to those filthy commies.


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Reply #1148 - Nov 24th, 2008 at 12:58pm
 
bob what was the thing you were telling me about at the lan where companies take out insurance on another companies' failure?
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Reply #1149 - Nov 24th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
Credit Default Swaps.

A CDS covers not only the total failure of another company, but their inability to cover a loan (defaulting).

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Reply #1150 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 12:32am
 
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CCTV cameras which can 'predict' if a crime is about to take place are being introduced on Britain's streets.

The cameras can alert operators to suspicious behaviour, such as loitering and unusually slow walking. Anyone spotted could then have to explain their behaviour to a police officer.

The move has been compared to the Tom Cruise science-fiction film Minority Report, in which people are arrested before they commit planned offences.


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Reply #1151 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 6:14am
 
Although that sounds like some really cool technology, it is definitely being used for the wrong reason.  I could see this being useful for detecting traffic problems the require reengineering, or other handy and civically responsible things, but this is definitely a bad, bad idea.

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Reply #1152 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 2:17pm
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/3530607/Lawyers-call-...

Taxes for all!!!

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Stephen Hockman QC is proposing a body similar to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to be the supreme legal authority on issues regarding the environment.

The first role of the new body would be to enforce international agreements on cutting greenhouse gas emissions set to be agreed next year.

But the court would also fine countries or companies that fail to protect endangered species or degrade the natural environment and enforce the "right to a healthy environment".
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Reply #1153 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 7:39pm
 
This just gives me a reason to pollute.  I don't now, but if this would come about...oh man...watch your drinking water moose!

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Reply #1154 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 6:13am
 
I thought that was meese?

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The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.


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Reply #1156 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:20pm
 
And that is why my next big purchase will be a firearm.  Any suggestions for handgun and rifle?  I think AR-15 for rifle, yes?

Also, how would 20K troops in the streets stopped 9/11 (offical story version) from happening?

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Reply #1157 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:55pm
 
well i guess they want a quick military response and the resources of the military available after an attack.
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Reply #1158 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 1:45pm
 
Yea I'm glad I got my AR-15 and springfield XDm.  Gotta get my CCW now.
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Reply #1159 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 6:16pm
 
By the time you get around to taking your CCW class, it will be time for me to renew.  Slacker!


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OTTAWA, Dec. 4 (UPI) -- The British queen's representative in Canada agreed Thursday to suspend the country's Parliament in Ottawa in the midst of an opposition revolt.

Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper met for more than two hours with Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean at her official residence to seek a prorogue, or suspension, of Parliament until Jan. 26, when a new budget will be announced.

Liberal opposition leader Stephane Dion sent a letter to Jean Wednesday asking that she deny the request and allow a coalition government of Liberals, socialist New Democratic Party members and separatist Bloc Quebecois to govern.

In a 5-minute nationally televised address Wednesday night, Harper took swipes at the Bloc Quebecois element of the coalition.

"The opposition is attempting to impose this deal without your say, without your consent and without your vote," Harper said. "This is no time for backroom deals with the separatists."

The Conservatives won a minority government seven weeks ago.

The political battle began Friday when the Conservatives' interim economic forecast was criticized for being too vague in light of the global financial meltdown. It also included cutting federal campaign subsidies and banning civil service strikes, both of which have been retracted.



What the heck is the problem with Canada?  I had no idea that Britain still held any sway over the Canadian government, let alone the British monarchy.

I would be boiling mad if I was a Canadian.  Those syrup-drinkin', hockey-playin', igloo-livin', bobsled-drivin' Canucks should be up in arms over this.

Screw the British monarchy, and screw Steven Harper.

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I'm a day late, but I'm sure you will all forgive me.

I had an opportunity to listen to a brief speech given by four World War II POW's a couple months back.  The stuff they went through is just absolutely unbelievable.  The "greatest generation" is definitely in their twilight hours.  May God bless each and every one of them.

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Reply #1162 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 12:47pm
 
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Gov. David Paterson has proposed a so-called 'iPod tax' on downloaded music and entertainment services to help his state close a $15.4 billion budget deficit.

However, Apple Inc.'s (NASDAQ: AAPL) products aren't Paterson's only targets. He has proposed 88 new fees and taxes that go far beyond, including on movie tickets, taxi rides, soda, beer, wine, cigars, massages, cable and satellite TV.

That's just one aspect of Paterson’s proposed $121.1 billion budget released yesterday. The budget attempts to make state government leaner while relying on a wave of new taxes and fees that will be passed down to businesses.

The proposed budget is balanced and holds state spending just under the inflation rate. The budget also erases a combined $15.4 billion in budget gaps over the next 15 months.

Paterson revealed his budget amid the unrelenting shake-up on Wall Street that has already depleted state tax revenue and triggered tens of thousands of layoffs. Before this recession, the state’s financial services sector had produced 20 percent of state tax revenue through income taxes, year-end bonuses, real estate deals and initial public offerings on the stock markets.


I love this logic.  The state spends every dime they make, so when a recession hits and tax revenue drops, what do they do?  Spend less?  Of course not!  They just find even more crap to tax.

I have a feeling the so-called "iPod Tax" will get laughed out of New York's state congress, but I wouldn't put money on it.  Can New York possibly come up with another reason to force their constituents to move out of state?

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The recording industry dropped some big news Friday, announcing that it will no longer take a broad approach to litigating against alleged filed sharers. The Recording Industry Association of America has enlisted the help of internet service providers to act as a sentry and help discourage customers from pirating music.

Below is a copy of the form letter the RIAA will send to ISPs to inform them one of their customers is accused of file sharing. The notification is similar to those the group has sent to college campuses for years and shows very clearly that the group retains the right to sue people for copyright violations.


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Sir or Madam:

I am contacting you on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America, Inc. (RIAA) and its member music companies. The RIAA is a trade association whose member companies create, manufacture, and distribute approximately ninety (90) percent of all legitimate music sold in the United States.

We believe a user on your network is offering an infringing sound recording for download through a peer to peer application. We have attached below the details of the infringing activity.

We have a good faith belief that this activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. We are asking for your immediate assistance in stopping this illegal activity. Specifically, we respectfully request that you remove or disable access to the unauthorized music.

We believe it is in everyone's interest for music consumers to be better educated about the copyright law and ways to legally enjoy music online. The major record companies have actively licensed their music to dozens of innovative services where fans can go to listen to and/or purchase their favorite songs. A list of many of these services is available at www.musicunited.org.

It should be made clear by this letter that downloading and distributing copyrighted songs via peer to peer networks is not an anonymous activity. Not only is distributing copyrighted works on a peer to peer network a public activity visible by other users on that network, an historic 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision affirmed the unmistakable unlawfulness of uploading and downloading copyrighted works. The website www.musicunited.org contains valuable information about what is legal and what is not when it comes to copying music. In addition to taking steps to notify the network user at issue about the illegal nature of his/her activity, we strongly encourage you to refer him/her to this helpful site.

Please bear in mind that this letter serves as an official notice to you that this network user may be liable for the illegal activity occurring on your network. This letter does not constitute a waiver of our members' rights to recover or claim relief for damages incurred by this illegal activity, nor does it waive the right to bring legal action against the user at issue for engaging in music theft. We assert that the information in this notice is accurate, based upon the data available to us. Under penalty of perjury, we submit that the RIAA is authorized to act on behalf of its member companies in matters involving the infringement of their sound recordings, including enforcing their copyrights and common law rights on the Internet.

Thank you in advance for your prompt assistance in this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me via e-mail at antipiracy2@riaa.com, via telephone at *Phone Number*, or via mail at RIAA, 1025 F Street, NW, 10th Floor, Washington, D.C., 20004. Please reference *Case ID* in any response or communication regarding this matter.

Sincerely,

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List of infringing content
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*Infringing Content*
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INFRINGEMENT DETAIL
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Infringing Work : XXXXXX
Filename : XXXXXX
First found (UTC): XXXXXX
Last found (UTC): XXXXXX
Filesize : XXXXXX
IP Address: XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
IP Port: XXXXX
Network: XXXXXX
Protocol: XXXXXX


It looks like RIAA might finally be giving up on their ridiculous law suit campaign.  Instead, they're going to focus on getting accounts banned.  Watch out what you download, or you might have to search for a new ISP.

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How's this for a conspiracy theory?!

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George S. Patton, America's greatest combat general of the Second World War, was assassinated after the conflict with the connivance of US leaders, according to a new book.


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General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders claims new book
'We've got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he's out of control and we must save him from himself'. The OSS head General did not trust Patton

The newly unearthed diaries of a colourful assassin for the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA, reveal that American spy chiefs wanted Patton dead because he was threatening to expose allied collusion with the Russians that cost American lives.

The death of General Patton in December 1945, is one of the enduring mysteries of the war era. Although he had suffered serious injuries in a car crash in Manheim, he was thought to be recovering and was on the verge of flying home.

But after a decade-long investigation, military historian Robert Wilcox claims that OSS head General "Wild Bill" Donovan ordered a highly decorated marksman called Douglas Bazata to silence Patton, who gloried in the nickname "Old Blood and Guts".

His book, "Target Patton", contains interviews with Mr Bazata, who died in 1999, and extracts from his diaries, detailing how he staged the car crash by getting a troop truck to plough into Patton's Cadillac and then shot the general with a low-velocity projectile, which broke his neck while his fellow passengers escaped without a scratch.

Mr Bazata also suggested that when Patton began to recover from his injuries, US officials turned a blind eye as agents of the NKVD, the forerunner of the KGB, poisoned the general.

Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph that when he spoke to Mr Bazata: "He was struggling with himself, all these killings he had done. He confessed to me that he had caused the accident, that he was ordered to do so by Wild Bill Donovan.

"Donovan told him: 'We've got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he's out of control and we must save him from himself and from ruining everything the allies have done.' I believe Douglas Bazata. He's a sterling guy."

Mr Bazata led an extraordinary life. He was a member of the Jedburghs, the elite unit who parachuted into France to help organise the Resistance in the run up to D-Day in 1944. He earned four purple hearts, a Distinguished Service Cross and the French Croix de Guerre three times over for his efforts.

After the war he became a celebrated artist who enjoyed the patronage of Princess Grace of Monaco and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

He was friends with Salvador Dali, who painted a portrait of Bazata as Don Quixote.

He ended his career as an aide to President Ronald Reagan's Navy Secretary John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 Commission and adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign.

Mr Wilcox also tracked down and interviewed Stephen Skubik, an officer in the Counter-Intelligence Corps of the US Army, who said he learnt that Patton was on Stalin's death list. Skubik repeatedly alerted Donovan, who simply had him sent back to the US.

"You have two strong witnesses here," Mr Wilcox said. "The evidence is that the Russians finished the job."

The scenario sounds far fetched but Mr Wilcox has assembled a compelling case that US officials had something to hide. At least five documents relating to the car accident have been removed from US archives.

The driver of the truck was whisked away to London before he could be questioned and no autopsy was performed on Patton's body.

With the help of a Cadillac expert from Detroit, Mr Wilcox has proved that the car on display in the Patton museum at Fort Knox is not the one Patton was driving.

"That is a cover-up," Mr Wilcox said.

George Patton, a dynamic controversialist who wore pearl handled revolvers on each hip and was the subject of an Oscar winning film starring George C. Scott, commanded the US 3rd Army, which cut a swathe through France after D-Day.

But his ambition to get to Berlin before Soviet forces was thwarted by supreme allied commander Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave Patton's petrol supplies to the more cautious British General Bernard Montgomery.

Patton, who distrusted the Russians, believed Eisenhower wrongly prevented him closing the so-called Falaise Gap in the autumn of 1944, allowing hundreds of thousands of German troops to escape to fight again,. This led to the deaths of thousands of Americans during their winter counter-offensive that became known as the Battle of the Bulge.

In order to placate Stalin, the 3rd Army was also ordered to a halt as it reached the German border and was prevented from seizing either Berlin or Prague, moves that could have prevented Soviet domination of Eastern Europe after the war.

Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts.

"He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers.

I don't think Dwight Eisenhower would ever have been elected president if Patton had lived to say the things he wanted to say." Mr Wilcox added: "I think there's enough evidence here that if I were to go to a grand jury I could probably get an indictment, but perhaps not a conviction."

Charles Province, President of the George S. Patton Historical Society, said he hopes the book will lead to definitive proof of the plot being uncovered. He said: "There were a lot of people who were pretty damn glad that Patton died. He was going to really open the door on a lot of things that they screwed up over there."
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That is a heck of a conspiracy theory.  Patton's death certainly was unusual, though.

The thing I don't get about the article is the claim that a "projectile" (i.e. a bullet) broke Patton's neck.  How many people have you heard of that got their neck broken by a bullet?

Pierced, sure.  But broken?


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A guy in kevlar that held up a bank had hisbacks broken when the force from a sniper bullet hit his armor but didn't penetrate. Maybe patton was in several layers of kevlar?  Tongue
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Around his neck?  I'm skeptical.

Anyway, here's more fuel for the fire.


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December 19, 2008 - 7:05 PM

BRIGHTON, Mich. (AP) - Ticking someone off could get you a ticket in one Michigan city.

The Brighton City Council on Thursday approved an ordinance allowing police in the Livingston County community to ticket and fine anyone who is annoying in public "by word of mouth, sign or motions."

The Livingston County Daily Press & Argus of Howell reports the measure is modeled on a similar ordinance in the Detroit suburb of Royal Oak.

A city attorney says there could be situations where the measure would violate freedom of speech, but that those cases will be reviewed by the city.  The ban takes effect Jan. 2.


Now, I hate annoying people as much as the next guy, but this is definitely too far.  As retarded as it is to put clothes on your dog or talk on your cell phone while waiting in line, its probably not the kind of thing you should get a ticket for.  A slap to the back of the head?  Sure.  But not a ticket.

I don't know how the Brighton city council thinks this will stand up in court.  Even the most liberal judge will laugh this case straight out of the courtroom.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_us/meltdown_selling_assets

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T. PAUL, Minn. – Minnesota is deep in the hole financially, but the state still owns a premier golf resort, a sprawling amateur sports complex, a big airport, a major zoo and land holdings the size of the Central American country of Belize.

Valuables like these are in for a closer look as 44 states cope with deficits.

Like families pawning the silver to get through a tight spot, states such as Minnesota, New York, Massachusetts and Illinois are thinking of selling or leasing toll roads, parks, lotteries and other assets to raise desperately needed cash.


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Well, China is hurting too, so I don't think there will be a whole lot of investment money coming from China right now.  If anything, look to the "sovereign wealth funds" from Middle Eastern countries to do some serious investing.  They're still sitting on a ridiculous amount of cash from the oil boom, and they're feeling spendy.


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WASHINGTON — Motorists are driving less and buying less gasoline, which means fuel taxes aren't raising enough money to keep pace with the cost of road, bridge and transit programs.

A federal commission created by Congress to find a way to make up the growing revenue shortfall in the program that funds highway repairs and construction is talking about increasing federal gas and diesel taxes.

A roughly 50 percent increase in gasoline and diesel fuel taxes is being urged by the commission until the government devises another way for motorists to pay for using public roads.

The 15-member National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing is the second group in a year to call for increasing the current 18.4 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline and the 24.4 cents a gallon tax on diesel. State fuel taxes vary from state to state.

In a report expected in late January, members of the infrastructure financing commission say they will urge Congress to raise the gas tax by 10 cents a gallon and the diesel tax by about 12 cents to 15 cents a gallon. At the same time, the commission will recommend tying the fuel tax rates to inflation.

The commission will also recommend that states raise their fuel taxes and make greater use of toll roads and fees for rush-hour driving.

Although the cost of gasoline has dropped dramatically in recent months, such tax increases could be politically treacherous for Democratic leaders in Congress. A gas tax hike was one of the reasons they lost control of the House and Senate in the 1994 elections. President-elect Barack Obama has expressed concern about raising fuel taxes in the current economic climate.

But commission members said the government must find more road and bridge building money somewhere.

"I'm not excited about a gas tax increase, but the reality is our current gas tax doesn't pay for upkeep of the system we have now," said Adrian Moore, vice president of the Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank in Los Angeles, and a member of the highway revenue commission. "We can either let the roads go to hell or we can pay more."

The dilemma for Congress is that highway and transit programs are dependent for revenue on fuel taxes that are not sustainable. Many Americans are driving less and switching to more fuel-efficient cars and trucks, and a shift to new fuels and technologies like plug-in hybrid electric cars will further erode gasoline sales.

According to a draft of the financing commission's recommendations, the nation needs to move to a new system that taxes motorists according to how much they use roads. While details have not been worked out, such a system would mean equipping every car and truck with a device that uses global positioning satellites and transponders to record how many miles the vehicle has been driven, and perhaps the type of roads and time of day.

"Most if not all of the commissioners have a strong belief and commitment that we need a fundamental transformation of the current system," said commission chairman Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a technology policy think tank in Washington.

A study by the Transportation Research Board of the National Academies estimated that the annual gap between revenues and the investment needed to improve highway and transit systems was about $105 billion in 2007, and will increase to $134 billion in 2017 under current trends.

Projected shortfalls in revenue led the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission, in a report issued in January 2008, to call for an increase of as much as 40 cents a gallon in the gas tax, phased in over five years.

Charles Whittington, chairman of the American Trucking Associations, which supports a fuel tax increase as long as the money goes to highway projects, said Congress may decide to disguise a fuel tax hike as a surcharge to combat climate change.

Transportation is responsible for about a third of all U.S. carbon emissions created by burning fossil fuels. Traffic congestion wastes an estimated 2.9 billion gallons of fuel a year. Less congestion would reduce greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil.

"Instead of calling it a gas tax, call it a carbon tax," Whittington said.

Bottlenecks around the nation cost the trucking industry about 243 million lost truck hours and about $7.8 billion per year, according to the commission.



That makes so much sense.  Let's raise the taxes for road use... because we're not using the road?

Earlier this year, the feds were proposing raising gas taxes to keep people from driving.  They thought that making gas even more expensive when it was over $4.00 would get people to stop driving, thereby reducing demand and... dropping gas prices?

Well, people have stopped driving, which has limited tax income for road projects, so guess what - congress wants to raise taxes!

When gas prices go up due to higher taxes and people start driving even less, will congress raise gas taxes yet again to compensate?  Then more people will stop driving, and taxes will go even higher, forcing more people to stop driving, forcing taxes higher, which will cause.... *BAM*


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Oh come now b0b.  Everyone knows that the government will make up all kinds of shit to be able to tax you for more.

Take cigarettes for instance.  Winston-Salem did a survey of smokers on their mailing list and asked them why, if ever, they had considered quitting smoking.

Only 1 in 15 people responded with the option that they could no longer afford to smoke.  Yet the government insists that by taxing the living shit (and trust me few things are taxed as heavily as tobacco) out of smokes, they will get people to stop =p

So what are they going to do when everyone does quit? Hmmm?
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FEMA Camps Law Up In Congress

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A new bill introduced in Congress authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to set up a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency.

The National Emergency Centers Act or HR 645 mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations for the purpose of to providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill.

The legislation also states that the camps will be used to “provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations”.

Ominously, the bill also states that the camps can be used to “meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security,” an open ended mandate which many fear could mean the forced detention of American citizens in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or total economic collapse.

Many credible forecasters have predicted riots and rebellions in America that will dwarf those already witnessed in countries like Iceland and Greece.

With active duty military personnel already being stationed inside the U.S. under Northcom, partly for purposes of “crowd control,” fears that Americans could be incarcerated in detainment camps are all too real.

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New Legislation Authorizes FEMA Camps In U.S. 131108banner2

The bill mandates that six separate facilities be established in different Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions (FEMA) throughout the country.

The camps will double up as “command and control” centers that will also house a “24/7 operations watch center” as well as training facilities for Federal, State, and local first responders.

The bill also contains language that will authorize camps to be established within closed or already operating military bases around the country.

As we have previously highlighted, in early 2006 Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root was awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps would also be used “as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency.”

As far back as 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to construct giant internment facilities in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program, was more recently updated and the revision details a “template for developing agreements” between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.”

Alex Jones has attended numerous military urban warfare training drills across the US where role players were used to simulate arresting American citizens and taking them to internment camps.

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National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House)

HR 645 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 645
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2009
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

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A BILL
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.

(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–

(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;

(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;

(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;

(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;

(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;

(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:

(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and

(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and

(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.

(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.

(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.

(g) Reports-

(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;

(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;

(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;

(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and

(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).

(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);

(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.

This Act does not affect–

(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or

(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act, the following definitions apply:

(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:

(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.

(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.

(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.

(2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).
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On Friday, if all goes according to plan, I will be purchasing my first gun/handgun!

A Springfield CD-45!

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=1

Voted gun of the year two years in a row (which is unheard of).  THe only problem is, the last one MC Sports has is the floor model, but I either wait for my super sweet gun or I go with one that's been only handled a little.

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I got the XDm and it has some nice upgrades from the standard XD.  You may want to check that out before purchasing.

Hey bob, why can't I find any decently priced ar-15 mags?  I check with Magpul and their 20 round pmags have been sold out for almost a year.  Where can I get some!??!
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Because I want a .45
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What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.

...And why do you want a .45?
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Personally im going for a 9mm for my first pistol.
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Reply #1179 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 9:56am
 
X wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 6:39am:
On Friday, if all goes according to plan, I will be purchasing my first gun/handgun!

A Springfield CD-45!


A most excellent choice.  My first modern handgun was Springfield XD Service in .40S&W.  I still contend the stainless steel model is dead sexy.  It's almost five years old now and I've put several thousand rounds through it without a hiccup.  It was my primary carry gun until I bought my smaller Kahr P9 last spring, and it still sits in my nightstand looking as shiny as the day it was new.

If you're going to get a CCW and carry this thing on a regular basis, I would strongly recommend springing for the stainless model (if they have one).

Now that Springfield has released the .45ACP model, I'm thinking about buying another, but only if they put out a stainless tactical (5") model.  TWINSIES!

For what its worth, Spanky also has an XD in .45, although I think he got the ugly OD Green model.  If you want to head to the range before you pull the trigger (har har!), give me a call and we'll go shooting.


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Do not get a floor model!  I guarantee you'll be disappointed in the long run.  Have you ever watched a newb reef on a model gun at a gun store?

Besides, why the heck are you buying your XD at MC Sports?  That's like buying a lawnmower from KMart.  The price difference probably won't be very significant, so save up and we'll go to a real gun store.  If you're up for a drive to Hastings, I'll take you to the best gun store in Michigan.  We can even call ahead and make sure they have what you want in stock.


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Reply #1180 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 11:45am:
I got the XDm and it has some nice upgrades from the standard XD.  You may want to check that out before purchasing.

Hey bob, why can't I find any decently priced ar-15 mags?  I check with Magpul and their 20 round pmags have been sold out for almost a year.  Where can I get some!??!


We've got to go out shooting.  I want to try out an XDm so bad!  I'll bring my Kahr just in case you guys want to try out a "Cadillac" carry piece.

I haven't looked for AR mags for awhile, but I'd try Auction Arms, Gun Broker, and the AR15.com Equipment Exchange.  I'll take a look around for you once I get back to Michigan.

Out of curiosity, why are you buying 20rd mags?


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Reply #1181 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:15am
 
Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 10:46pm:
What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.

...And why do you want a .45?


Because 10mm is too expensive?

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Honestly, I think the .40S&W is the pinnacle of the form.  9mm is too weak for proper penetration
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, and .45ACP is too large to allow for acceptable capacities in concealable pistols.  For the record, double-stack .45's aren't concealable (unless you're Wes's Mom).  .40S&W falls right in the middle.  It has acceptable stopping power in a form factor that allows reasonable capacities.

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Reply #1182 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:44am
 
Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 10:46pm:
What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.


Because they're dead sexy.

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Reply #1183 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 12:23pm
 
So bob what do you recommend for a first pistol. I don't really buy into all this "stopping power" stuff even judging by that chart the 9mm doesn't look bad. A bullet in the head or heart is still gonna kill.

My goal is to repeatedly be able to put a bullet in the same spot very very quickly. If there's going to be major recoil or flash or who knows what, then that's prolly not for me. I don't have time to be at a range every week getting my skillz up to par. (unfortunately)

now my 2nd handgun after I'm comfortable with the first will prolly pack more punch.

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Reply #1184 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 1:20pm
 
MediaMaster wrote on Feb 27th, 2009 at 12:23pm:
So bob what do you recommend for a first pistol. I don't really buy into all this "stopping power" stuff even judging by that chart the 9mm doesn't look bad. A bullet in the head or heart is still gonna kill.


It's very true that a 9mm is sufficient for many scenarios.  If I got into a gunfight, I'd want the biggest caliber in my arsenal at my side, but "a .22 in hand beats a .50 at home."  That's why I bought my Kahr P9 in 9mm last summer.  My .40S&W XD is a great gun, but it's just too frickin' big and heavy to carry around during the summer.  Although I'd rather have 12 rounds of .40S&W on me instead of 8 rounds of 9mm, all the ammo in the world does me no good if I don't have it with me.


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That's a noble goal, but it takes a lot of work.  You have to practice until you can aim by muscle memory alone.  When you're in an incredibly high-stress situation like a shooting, the only thing you have to rely on is muscle memory because your brain isn't going to be working.

I honestly hope none of us are ever placed in a position where we have to draw down on another human being, but as all we start taking responsibility for own families (wives, and eventually kids), it's something we really need to be prepared to do.



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If there's going to be major recoil or flash or who knows what, then that's prolly not for me. I don't have time to be at a range every week getting my skillz up to par. (unfortunately)


There are a couple of things to consider here.  First, recoil is just as much tied to your firearm and choice of ammunition as it is the caliber.  Second, flash is almost entirely a component of barrel length and ammunition.  A snub-nosed .38 revolver shooting hot-loaded hollow points will have a much bigger flash than a Desert Eagle shooting .50AE, even though the round is only about 30% of the size.  Of course, modifications like muzzle brakes will also drastically increase flash signatures.

That said, virtually any gun will produce a noticeable flash in dark areas.  Most self-defense shootings occur after dark, and even the tamest pistol will wreck your night vision if fired after dark.  Make sure you aim your first shot, because you won't be able to afterward!

I think 9mm is an excellent choice for a concealed carry weapon because it offers high capacities, low recoil, and a very small form factor.  If I has a position where I could open carry (i.e. law enforcement), I would go with a larger caliber purely for stopping power, but that's not a luxury I have.

We all need to get together and hit the range.  I'll bring my 9mm Kahr so you can get a taste of a concealable 9mm.




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now my 2nd handgun after I'm comfortable with the first will prolly pack more punch.  what do you recommend?


That's what I'm talking about!  If you want a "fun gun" that has some punch and can be customized like no other, look to the lowly 1911.  It was the official sidearm of the US military for over 70 years, and there is a push to re-adopt them by many military officials.  Several special forces units are once again using the 1911 as their sole sidearm.



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Reply #1185 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 2:49pm
 
My XDm holds 16 + 1  Grin

Little too heavy to carry actually, not so much size that matters but the added lead really makes it heavy.

My goal is to be able to curve the bullet.  Preferably around Angelina Jolie
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I just purchased my XD .45.  I hope to go shoot it on Sat.  I'm so excited.  200 rounds of ammo is heavy.  I'm going to go read the manual now.

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Nope, mikes glock was green.  I got the all black XD.  I really like shooting my XD, though it is a touch too heavy to carry all the time.

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Reply #1188 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 7:56pm
 
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I just purchased my XD .45.  I hope to go shoot it on Sat.  I'm so excited.  200 rounds of ammo is heavy.  I'm going to go read the manual now.


Congratulations!  There's nothing quite like the excitement of buying your first real pistol.  I know exactly how you feel, and just how badly you want to take that bad boy out for spin.

Where are you planning on going?  If you're looking for some range time, give me a call and we can head up to the indoor range in Battle Creek.  If you've already got plans for this weekend, I'm open next weekend too!

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Reply #1189 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 9:55pm
 
I'll be in town in TR on Saturday, but it will be fixing the parents computer and hanging out with them for a bit.

Sunday, I'm pretty much free, esp. after church.

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if i could humbly ask to join you fellas if you go, I would like to learn a thing or two from folk more knowledgeable than myself.
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I'd be down to go as well.  Haven't shot my pistol since about October.
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I'm not sure how late the range is open on Sunday, but I'll find out.


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Reply #1193 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 2:04pm
 
It looks like they are only open until 5:00pm on Sunday.  I generally don't get out of church until 4:00pm, so that's not really going to work for me unfortunately.

http://www.southsidesportsmanclub.com/index.html

Would next Saturday work better?  Or a weekday?


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I could probably do next Saturday.  I did go out to someone's farm today and shot my gun.  Amazing!  I know now what God feels like when He's holding His Gun!  I also shot an M-4 and a 12 gage.  My aim is horrible but for the most part I at least hit the target.

Well you know what they say on how to get better?  Practice, practice, practice!

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X wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 11:06pm:
Well you know what they say on how to get better?  Practice, practice, practice!


It worked for Wes's mom, and it will work for you!


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A D.C. woman filed suit in U.S. District Court yesterday, claiming that the city would not let her register a pistol because of its color.

Tracey A. Hanson argued that her application to register a .45-caliber semiautomatic was denied because the gun is not on the California Safe Handgun Roster, which is the standard in the city.

Hanson tried to register a two-tone, stainless steel/black pistol, according to the suit. But the list has that model in olive drab green, dark earth or black, not in two-tone, stainless/black, the suit asserts. Hanson said rejection for that reason "seemed so arbitrary."

The lawsuit, which lists Hanson and two other people as plaintiffs, was filed by Alan Gura, who argued the Supreme Court case that overturned the city's handgun ban. Arbitrary requirements bring "nonsensical results," Gura said. The suit asks that the city be barred from enforcing gun regulations based on the California list.

Peter Nickles, the city's attorney general, said he had not seen the lawsuit and could not discuss its details.

But he said he is confident that the D.C. regulations are "completely appropriate" under the Second Amendment.


Nickles may be confident that DC's rules are completely appropriate, and I'm confident he's a complete moron.

I love how olive drab and tan are acceptable colors, but the far more common black and stainless finish isn't.  I guess this makes me love my black and stainless XD that much more!


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House is taking offense at U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's comment that the United States is a "deadbeat" donor to the world body.

Press secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday that Ban's word choice was "unfortunate," given that the U.S. is the largest contributor to the United Nations. The U.S. pays 22 percent of the organization's 's nearly $5 billion operating budget but is perennially late paying its dues.

Ban made the "'deadbeat" comment Wednesday during a private meeting with lawmakers at the Capitol.

He had met with President Barack Obama in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

Asked whether Ban should retract his comment, Gibbs said it would be appropriate for Ban to acknowledge the American taxpayers' role.


I don't think I'm alone when I hope that our government invites Mr. Ban Ki Moon to go #^%@ himself.

We should withhold our payment entirely and then ask the UN how thankful they are for our support.  We've already sold them our sovereignty, so do they really need our tribute, too?


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In Chicago, blowing a stoplight might get you a letter, complete with a $100 fine, thanks to a red-light camera.

But that might not be the end of your photo-enforcement woes, because aldermen Monday began talking about using the city's ever-growing legion of red-light cameras to check for vehicle liability insurance.

The city could net nearly $10 million a year in fines just by citing uninsured vehicles that also get photo ticketed for a red-light violation, said Ald. Ed Burke (14th), who brought the idea to the City Council Traffic Committee.

Citing more vehicles—including those driven safely but uninsured—could net the city more than $100 million a year, added Rowland Day, executive vice president of InsureNet, a Michigan-based company that provides instant insurance verification.

Although no state or municipality uses photo-enforcement to snare the uninsured, Day said it's only a matter of time. "We are going to have three or four states signed in the next 90 days," he said.

Day pitched the idea as a way to raise money in tough economic times and make sure more vehicles are insured.

Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th) said he generally liked the idea but also wondered if it would be hard to collect significant fines from people who perhaps could not afford insurance.

The state fine is currently $500, but the city, which would have to pass a local ordinance requiring insurance to keep fine collections, could enact a lesser fine. The committee held the proposal for further debate.


It's nice to see that Chicago is always coming up with unique ways to steal more money from its citizens.  I'd like to say that I'm shocked that Chicago would pass a new law just to keep more revenue, but it's really just another nail in the coffin.


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“On March 10, after a report of an apparent mass murder in Samson, Ala., 22 military police soldiers from Fort Rucker, Ala., along with the provost marshal, were sent to the city of Samson,” Harvey Perritt, spokesman for the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) at Fort Monroe, Va., told CNSNews.com on Monday.

“The purpose for sending the military police, the authority for doing so, and what duties they performed is the subject of an ongoing commander’s inquiry––directed by the commanding general of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Gen. Martin Dempsey.”

TRADOC is the headquarters command for Ft. Rucker.

“In addition to determining the facts, this inquiry will also determine whether law, regulation and policy were followed,” Perritt added. “Until those facts are determined, it would be inappropriate to speculate or comment further.”

Jim Stromenger, a dispatcher at the Samson Police Department, confirmed the MP’s presence in the town, telling CNSNews.com that the troops “came in to help with traffic control and to secure the crime scene”––and the department was glad for the help.

“We’ve been getting a lot of calls,” Stromenger said. “They weren’t here to police, let me make that clear. They were here to help with traffic and to control the crime scene––so people wouldn’t trample all over (it).”

Stromenger said the town needed help––calls had gone out to all police departments in the area.

“We’ve only have a five-man police department,” he told CNSNews.com. “We had officers from all surrounding areas helping out. There were a lot of streets to be blocked off and there had to be someone physically there to block them off. That’s what these MPs were doing. I don’t think they were even armed. The troops helped keep nosy people away.”

But Stromenger said it wasn’t the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.

“I don’t know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn’t have been able to come if someone hadn’t,” he added.

Under Whose Authority?

The troops were apparently not deployed by the request of Alabama Gov. Bob Riley –– or by the request of President Obama, as required law.

When contacted by CNSNews.com, the governor’s office could not confirm that the governor had requested help from the Army, and Gov. Riley's spokesman, Todd Stacy, expressed surprise when he was told that troops had been sent to the town.

No request from President Obama, meanwhile, was issued by the White House––or the Defense Department.

Wrongful use of federal troops inside U.S. borders is a violation of several federal laws, including one known as the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Title 18, Section 1385 of the U.S. Code.

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both,” the law states.

David Rittgers, legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute, said there are other laws barring use of federal troops outside of federal property, as well.

“Title 18, Section 375 of the U.S. Code is a direct restriction on military personnel, and it basically precludes any member of the army in participating in a ‘search, seizure, arrest or other similar activity, unless participation is otherwise authorized by law,’ “ Rittgers told CNSNews.com.

“The security of a crime scene is something I think that would roll up in the category of a ‘search, seizure or other activity,’” Rittgers added.

In addition, there is the Insurrection Act of 1808, as amended in 2007, (Title 10, Section 331 of the U.S. Code) under which the president can authorize troops “to restore order and enforce the laws of the United States” in an insurrection.

“Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection,” the law states.

In 2007, Congress expanded the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition” as situations for which the president can authorize troops, provided that “domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the state or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.”

Congress has been clear that the use of U.S. troops for civilian police purposes is forbidden.

“One of the statutes explicitly says that military brigs can’t even be used to detain domestic criminals,” Rittgers said. “It really is supposed to be a black and white line.”

The U.S. Department of Justice, meanwhile, would have prosecuting authority, if any violation is deemed to have occurred. The Justice Department did not comment for this story.



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Reply #1200 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 8:37am
 
This, sadly, is not new.  Not only did the Posse Comitatus Act voided by Bush, as well as Clinton and about another 12 Presidents (including Lincoln who passed the Act).  Katrina not only had illegal police officers, but also US troops, AND Mexican troops.

Unless the Constitution or Congress allows it, you CANNOT have US troops enforce laws!

I always heard it described as this:

The police protect and serve the people.
The military is there to kill the enemy.

What do you think is going to happen when the military is charged with enforcing the law?

Can anyone say Boston Massacre?

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X wrote on Mar 19th, 2009 at 8:37am:
Can anyone say Boston Massacre?


Or, better yet, the Kent State shootings.

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A UN panel of expert economists pressed Thursday for a new global currency reserve scheme to replace the volatile, dollar-based system and for coordinated steps by rich countries to stimulate their economies.

"A new Global Reserve System -- what may be viewed as a greatly expanded SDR (Special Drawing Rights), with regular or cyclically adjusted emissions calibrated to the size of reserve accumulations, could contribute to global stability, economic strength and global equity," the panel said.

As part of several recommendations to tackle the global financial crisis, the panel also noted recovery would require all developed countries, in the short term, to take "strong, coordinated and effective actions to stimulate their economies."

And it stressed the need to "lay the basis for the long-run reforms that will be necessary if we are to have a more stable and more prosperous global economy and avoid future global crises."

The commission, led by US economist Joseph Stiglitz, a frequent critic of globalization and unbridled free markets, is primarily aimed at finding solutions for developing countries.

On the monetary front, Stiglitz, the 2001 Nobel economics laureate, told a press conference here there was "a growing consensus that there are problems with the dollar reserve system.

He noted that such a system was "relatively volatile, deflationary, unstable and (had) inequity associated with it."

"Developing countries are lending the United States trillions dollars at almost zero interest rates when they have huge needs themselves," Stiglitz noted. "It's indicative of the nature of the problem. It's a net transfer, in a sense, to the United States, a form of foreign aid."

This week, China's central bank chief Zhou Xiaochuan suggested the dollar could be replaced as a reserve currency by an International Monetary Fund (IMF) basket comprising dollars, euros, sterling and yen, saying it would not be easily influenced by individual countries.

But the UN panel warned that a two (or three) country reserve system "may be equally unstable."

It said a new Global Reserve "is feasible, non-inflationary and could be easily implemented, including in ways which mitigate the difficulties caused by asymmetric adjustment between surplus and deficit countries."

Stiglitz said his panel's experts were currently trying "to lay out the conceptual framework of how this might be done."

The issue of the world currency reserve is expected to be raised at the April 2 summit of the G20 club of developed and emerging economies.

On Wednesday IMF managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that talks on a new global reserve currency to replace the US dollar were "legitimate" and could take place "in the coming months."

But US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner earlier defended the dollar as a key global reserve currency.

"I think the dollar remains the world's standard reserve currency, I think that's likely to continue for a long period of time," he said.

Among other recommendations, the Stiglitz panel proposed western aid to help developing nations out of the crisis, better market regulation, a reform of central bank practices and of international financial institutions, as well as the creation of a new structure such as a United Nations economic council.

It specifically called for immediate, additional funding for developing countries "just to offset the imbalances and inequities created by the massive stimulus and bail-out measures introduced by advanced industrialized countries."

It said the funds could come through the issuance of SDRs approved by the IMF board in 1997.

SDRs are an international reserve asset, created by the IMF in 1969 to supplement the existing official reserves of member countries and support the Bretton Woods fixed exchange rate system.

They are allocated to member countries in proportion to their IMF quotas.




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I think this guy would be great in OUR country.  Watch for him to be "suicided" soon.  Good policies!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs

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MediaMaster wrote on Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:36am:
I rather like this video.


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ha. i dont agree with the guy on the manditory service, but hey if it gets people moving, rock on.
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Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system, according to current and former national-security officials.

The spies came from China, Russia and other countries, these officials said, and were believed to be on a mission to navigate the U.S. electrical system and its controls. The intruders haven't sought to damage the power grid or other key infrastructure, but officials warned they could try during a crisis or war.

"The Chinese have attempted to map our infrastructure, such as the electrical grid," said a senior intelligence official. "So have the Russians."


I remember last year there was the military report that said that they believe that China was responsible for the Eastern blackout a few years ago.

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And that's why we have to turn control of the internet to the US government and the military....for security...and stuff.
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I cyberspied into X's webcam.  It was just him sitting there in women's underware looking at pictures of David Hasselhoff.  I was so creeped out I only watched for an hour or two!
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It is a sad, sad day today.

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Pirate Bay four jailed for breaking copyright in Swedish file-sharing trial
The founders of file-sharing website The Pirate Bay have been sentenced to a year in jail in Sweden for breaking copyright laws by helping millions of users download music, movies and computer games for free.

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Last Updated: 12:23PM BST 17 Apr 2009

Pirate Bay founders Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, left, and Peter Sunde Photo: AP
Experts believe the ruling could be the first step towards ending illegal downloading, which has cost music and film companies billions of dollars in lost revenue.

Founders Peter Sunde and Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, along with two other employees Fredrik Neij and Carl Lundström, were sentenced to a year in jail after being found guilty in a Swedish court of making 33 copyright-protected files accessible for illegal downloading on the website Piratebay.org.


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In a Twitter posting before sentencing, Mr Sunde said: "Nothing will happen to TPB [the Pirate Bay], this is just theatre for the media."

The Pirate Bay provides a forum for its estimated 22 million users to download content. The site has become the entertainment industry's enemy No. 1 after successful court actions against file-swapping sites such as Grokster and Kazaa.

Defence lawyers had argued the men should be acquitted because The Pirate Bay does not host any copyright-protected material. Instead, it provides a forum for its users to download content through so-called torrent files. The technology allows users to transfer parts of a large file from several different users, increasing download speeds.

But the court found the defendants guilty of helping users commit copyright violations "by providing a website with ... sophisticated search functions, simple download and storage capabilities, and through the tracker linked to the website".

Judge Tomas Norstrom told reporters that the court took into account that the site was "commercially driven" when it made the ruling. The defendants have denied any commercial motives behind the site.

John Kennedy, the head of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, said the verdict was "good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will be protected by law."

Supporters set up a website dedicated to the trial, and the defendants sent updates from the court hearings through social network Twitter.

Forrester Research analyst Mark Mulligan said: “The music industry has come out of this with a ruling that is more positive for them than many had been expected." But he warned that the epidemic of file sharing will continue to grow via instant messaging, email and blogs, as well as file sharing websites.

He said the verdict could have implications for Google, as it provides links to illegal content.

Dawn Osborne, copyright lawyer at intellectual property firm Rouse, said: “Pirate Bay have been thumbing their nose at the establishment for too long and the view of many content owners will be that they have finally got what they deserved.

“Copyright protection is crucial to ensuring that creativity and innovation continue and much needed economic prosperity returns. The case shows that breach of these rights potentially has very serious consequences.”
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You beat me to the punch, Stewie!


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The Pirate Bay verdict: guilty, with jail time

The Pirate Bay "spectrial" has ended in a guilty verdict, prison sentences for the defendants, and a shared 30 million kronor ($3.5 million) fine. According to the Swedish district court, the operators of the site were guilty of assisting copyright infringement, even though The Pirate Bay hosted none of the files in question and even though other search engines like Google also provide direct access to illegal .torrent files.

These two points formed the basis of The Pirate Bay's defense, but the court found them ultimately unpersuasive in its 107 page verdict. "By providing a site with, as the district court found, sophisticated search functions, easy upload and storage, and a website linked to the tracker," the defendants were guilty of assisting copyright infringement, the court said.

In an Internet press conference this morning, defendant Peter Sunde Kolmisoppi compared the whole trial to (of all things) The Karate Kid, a movie in which the good guy is roughed up by bullies, goes through a long training process, learns to "wax on, wax off," encounters his bully again in the final round of a karate tournament, and kicks him in the face with his "crane technique." Kolmisoppi sees parallels. In the end, he insists, "we'll kick their ass."
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This might seem a strange position coming from someone facing a year in prison, but The Pirate Bay defendants say that this is only the first round in a lengthy process. An appeal will be filed, and the spirited rhetoric will continue. (Speaking of paying the fine, Kolmisoppi said that he "would rather burn everything I own and not even give them the dust from the burning" than pay up, even if he had the money to do so.)

The 30 million kronor judgment is reduced from the 117 million kronor fine initially sought by content owners, but it remains a significant sum. The prosecutor insisted throughout the case that the three Pirate Bay admins had grown fat on ad revenues, though the men always denied that the site was anything more than a hobby in which most of the money went to pay hosting and equipment bills.

Fourth defendant Carl Lundström, an heir to the Wasabröd cracker fortune and alleged supporter of right-wing political groups, appears to be good for the money, though his interest in The Pirate Bay was more tangential—he used his telecom company to help the site with hosting and Internet access.

International music trade group IFPI was suitably thrilled by today's news. CEO John Kennedy, who appeared as a witness during the trial, said that the case "was about defending the rights of creators, confirming the illegality of the service and creating a fair environment for legal music services that respect the rights of the creative community. Today’s verdict is the right outcome on all three counts."

The verdict itself was leaked yesterday, with the defendants first learning their fate from a journalist. "Really, it's a bit LOL," Kolmisoppi wrote on Twitter. "It used to be only movies, now even verdicts are out before the official release."

It was a fitting end to this spectacle of a trial, which opened with The Pirate Bay driving a city bus up from Belgrade to Stockholm, saw the prosecutor dismiss half the charges on the first day, and featured the astonishing claim that 80 percent of the material on the site was legal.

Despite schooling Big Content on public relations throughout the trial, the defendants could not prevail in court. In comments today, Kolmisoppi argues that the whole trial was political in nature, even going so far as to call the district court a "dice court" because its verdicts are so random.

No word yet on the ultimate fate of The Pirate Bay, which at the moment remains active.


It'll be interesting to see what happens to The Pirate Bay.  Even if the ship sinks, others will take over the burden.  Remember when SuprNova went offline several years ago?  At the time, they were by far the largest torrent tracker on the Interwebs.  Guess what?  We're still alive!


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By Nate Anderson | Last updated May 27, 2009 8:46 PM CT

A UK researcher has spent years interviewing people about whether DRM has affected their ability to use content in ways ordinarily protected by the law. Surprise! It has, even leading one sight-impaired woman to piracy.



It's a well-known story by now: Europe, the US, and plenty of other countries have made it generally illegal to circumvent DRM, even when users want to do something legal with the content. Sure, it sounds bad and Ars complains about it all the time, but come on—do anticircumvention laws really prevent real people in the real world from doing real things with their content? Or are the complaints largely dreamed up by copyleft activists who would like nothing more than to see the term "intellectual property" disappear into the tentacled maw of Cthulhu?

According to the first empirical study of its kind in the UK, by Cambridge law professor Patricia Akester, it's the former. DRM is so rage-inducing, even to ordinary, legal users of content, that it can even drive the blind to download illegal electronic Bibles.
Problems, problems everywhere

Akester's new paper, "Technological accommodation of conflicts between freedom of expression and DRM: the first empirical assessment," does pretty much what its title implies. Akester spent the last few years interviewing dozens of lecturers, end users, government officials, rightsholders, and DRM developers to find how DRM and anticircumvention laws affected actual use.

Problems were not hard to find. When Akester spoke with the UK's Royal National Institute of Blind People, Head of Accessibility Richard Orme told her that those with sight problem have the right "to create accessible copies of works" by using screen reading software, for instance, but these rights can be blocked be restrictive e-book DRM.

    Analog "equivalents" aren't often equivalent in any meaningful sense of the word

"The RNIB is very watchful of the issues around DRM," said Orme, "because it can see evidence of DRM preventing access to content in a world where digital technology actually makes information more accessible rather than less."

As an example, take the case of Lynn Holdsworth, who bought an electronic copy of the Bible from Amazon. It refused to allow text-to-speech, which Holdsworth required. She contacted Amazon, which has a policy of not refunding e-books after a successful download.

"On Amazon’s advice, Lynn Holdsworth contacted the publisher, but the publisher referred her back to Amazon," writes Akester. "Neither Amazon nor the publisher were able to assist her and she ended up obtaining an illegal copy of the work (which her screen reader application could access)."

Rightsholders will always point out that fair use and other exemptions to copyright don't necessarily allow access to any format the user wants. Professors who need film clips can just camcord off the screen! The blind can use Braille versions!

But analog "equivalents" aren't often equivalent in any meaningful sense of the word. Holdsworth noted that "it is not always possible to resort to non-digital [books] because of their size. She supplied an example: the standard version of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince contains about 600 pages, the large print version is only slightly bigger (at 998 pages), but the Braille version actually entails ten large volumes of text."
Libraries and lecturers

    The British Library runs into issues with DRM on a daily basis—especially when it needs to transfer materials to new formats for storage or preservation.

Everybody that Akester spoke with had some problem of their own. Film lecturers, who are allowed to put together clip compilations under UK law, still can't (legally) bypass the CSS encryption on DVDs.

Lecturers who don't know how to bypass the DRM are faced with an unappealing choice: those "unable to extract a clip from a commercial DVD lodged in their library collection are forced to tailor the content of their lectures to the VHS materials at their disposal. They contend that this happens frequently, given that most commercial DVDs are DRM protected."

End users are allowed to time-shift programs, but Jill Johnstone of the National Consumer Council notes that "the way DRM is being used is causing serious problems for consumers, including unreasonable limitations on the use of digital products and infringement of consumer rights. "

And the British Library runs into issues with DRM on a daily basis—especially when it needs to transfer materials to new formats for storage or preservation.

Akester interviewed Ars Technica's own Peter Bright, a British Library specialist on digital archiving, who pointed out just how ridiculous the whole situation has become, especially involving DVDs. "For these duplicates and migrations to be useful, the DRM protection must necessarily be defeated. The reality is that this is generally easy to do—for all the time and money spent on trying to protect optical discs, software workarounds are cheap, abundant and fairly reliable.”
Edge cases

To DRM developers and rightsholders, though, these are just edge cases, not worth coding into DRM schemes. Creating DRM that has any sort of security while still accommodating every legal use in every possible market is simply infeasible—though this does lead rightsholders to question the wisdom of DRM.

Shira Perlmutter of global music trade group IFPI told Akester in an interview, "You are not going to get a one size fits all DRM that will deal both with the consumer and the special interests exceptions and, in any case, you do not want to give up a system that works for 99 percent of cases because there is a particular issue with a particular kind of user when you can let the system work and then deal with that user."

Are rightsholders willing to "deal with users" who experience problems? Some are, but Akester found that many require a legislative prod before taking any action.

The study confirms what anyone who has ever wanted to rip a DVD to their computer or iPod could have told you: DRM, coupled with anticircumvention laws, makes pirates of us all.

Akester offers some possible solutions to the problem. They are worth reading, but they are also unlikely to be implemented for years. In the meantime, copyright exceptions for the blind, libraries, teachers, and for fair use will continue to be limited by a crafty mixture of code and law.

Of course, as Bright points out, the massive lobbying, legislative, legal, and technical effort that underlies all these DRM regimes does so little to stop piracy that we'd be tempted to laugh at the folly of it all if we weren't already weeping.


This doesn't say much that we didn't already know, but I sincerely hope the credentials of a "real" research paper on the subject will go a long way toward restoring fair use rights.


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This happened with Briney when he bought Rise Of Nations.  He legally bought it from Best Buy, went home to install it...and it didn't work.  Only when a pirated copy was obtained did the game work just fine.  That's why piracy works so well above the "it's free" aspect.  When 40 people work on a game and it's rushed it can suck...when you have multi-millions of people decoding and "hacking" the software what you get is "CounterStrike" and the like.

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A recently proposed but little-noticed Senate bill would allow the federal government to shut down the Internet in times of declared emergency, and enables unprecedented federal oversight of private network administration.

The bill's draft states that "
the president may order a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic
" and would give the government ongoing access to "all relevant data concerning (critical infrastructure) networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access."

Authored by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine, the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 seeks to create a Cybersecurity Czar to centralize power now held by the Pentagon, National Security Agency, Department of Commerce and the Department of Homeland Security.

While the White House has not officially endorsed the draft, it did have a hand in its language, according to The Washington Post.

Proponents of the measure stress the need to centralize cybersecurity of the private sector. "People say this is a military or intelligence concern," says Rockefeller, "but it is a lot more than that. It suddenly gets into the realm of traffic lights and rail networks and water and electricity."

Snowe added, "America's vulnerability to massive cyber-crime, global cyber-espionage and cyber-attacks has emerged as one of the most urgent national security problems facing our country today. Importantly, this legislation loosely parallels the recommendations in the CSIS [Center for Strategic and International Studies] blue-ribbon panel report to President Obama and has been embraced by a number of industry and government thought leaders."

Critics decry the broad language, and are watchful for amendments to the bill seeking to refine the provisions. According to opencongress.com, no amendments to the draft have been submitted.

Organizations like the Center for Democracy and Technology fear if passed in its current form, the proposal leaves too much discretion of just what defines critical infrastructure. The bill would also impose mandates for designated private networks and systems, including standardized security software, testing, licensing and certification of cyber-security professionals.

"I'd be very surprised if it doesn't include communications systems, which are certainly critical infrastructure," CDT General Counsel Greg Nojeim told eWEEK. "The president would decide not only what is critical infrastructure but also what is an emergency."

Adds Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, "Essentially, the Act would federalize critical infrastructure security. Since many systems (banks, telecommunications, energy)are in the hands of the private sector, the bill would create a major shift of power away from users and companies to the federal government."


Hey here's the new boss...same as the old boss.  I thought Obama was going to be different than Bush?  Guess not!

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The Tiananmen Square protests started twenty years ago today.  The world needs more courageous folks like "tank man."

We can't ever let the world forget about Tiananmen Square.  This is the closest China ever came to accepting democracy.


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Soon after The Pirate Bay trial ended in a guilty verdict, the site admins objected to alleged "bias" in district judge Tomas Norström. Turns out that Norström was a member of two different copyright organizations, one of which received some of its money from global music trade group IFPI. A court of appeals agreed to look into the matter, even assigning the review to a different section of judges that usually does not deal with copyright questions to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest.

As part of the appeal, the Stockholm District Court has now weighed in, defending its judge, according to newspaper Svenska Dagbladet (read an English summary).

Norström, it says, wasn't biased at all, but simply a member of organizations in which he learned more about copyright and kept abreast of new developments. It certainly was not Norström's only way of keeping up to date on copyright, and such professional memberships should not be used as evidence of bias.

Norström belongs to the Swedish Copyright Association along with Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky, and Monique Wadsted—all lawyers who represented the recording industry in the Pirate Bay trial. Norström also sits on the board of the Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property, an advocacy group that pushes stricter copyright laws.

The appeals court will rule on the issue of judicial bias soon, but either way, the case will continue. If Norström is found to be biased, the case will likely have to be retried; if not, the Pirate Bay defendants have already signaled their desire to appeal the verdict.

As they wrote soon after the trial concluded, "We have to remember that this will not be the final decision, only the first before the losing party will appeal. It will have no real effect on anything besides setting the tone for the debate, so we hope we win of course."

Movie and music rightsholders have already filed their own appeal. In addition to seeking more cash (the 30 million kronor damage award was far too low, they say), lawyers for the content owners want the charge of "infringing copyright" restored against the defendants. During the trial, this charge was dropped and "contributory copyright infringement" was the charge under which The Pirate Bay admins were found guilty.

All of which leaves one thing perfectly clear: The Pirate Bay's legal battle will continue, probably for years.


This logic makes no sense.  It's like a drug addict claiming they're using drugs just to keep up with drug laws.  The logic used here defies the very notion of "conflict of interest."

"No, your honor, he does not have anything against blacks.  He is just a member of the KKK to understand them better.  The fact that he is one of the leaders in the KKK - akin to being a board member in an organization - just goes to show his understanding of black culture is better than most."

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Why are silencers/suppressors illegal to own by private individuals in MI?  Does this make anyone else a little mad?
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Michigan passed this lovely little law that required silencers, suppressors, short-barreled rifles, and machine guns to be registered in the state.  Conveniently, they never provided a method of registering the weapons, thereby effectively banning them.

The attorney general finally wrote an opinion a couple years ago stating that registering a machine gun with the ATF (which is required anyway) was sufficient to cover the state's registration requirement.  For some reason, his opinion letter only covered machine guns and not the other classes of weaponry.

I think that really sucks.  I will never be able to afford a fully automatic weapon, but I would love to buy a suppressor.  This is the plinkin' pistol of my dreams...


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Know your rights...or loose them:

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JENNIFER M. GRANHOLM, ATTORNEY GENERAL



CRIMINAL LAW:

FIREARMS:

LAW ENFORCEMENT:

PEACE OFFICERS:

POLICE:
     

Reserve police officer carrying exposed but holstered handgun is not brandishing firearm in violation of Michigan Penal Code

A reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.


Opinion No. 7101

February 6, 2002

Honorable Bill Bullard, Jr.
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You have asked if a reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, violates section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.

The Michigan Penal Code, MCL 750.1 et seq, revises, consolidates, and codifies the state's criminal statutes.
Section 234e(1) of the Code criminalizes1 the brandishing of a firearm in public as follows:

       (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not knowingly brandish a firearm in public.


Subsection (2) of the same section states that "[s]ubsection (1) does not apply to . . . [a] peace officer lawfully performing his or her duties as a peace officer."

The term "peace officer" refers to members of governmental police forces who have been given broad, general authority by law to enforce and preserve the public peace. People v Bissonette, 327 Mich 349, 356; 42 NW2d 113 (1950). Most governmental police officers, i.e., officers who are employed by the state or its political subdivisions, possess such authority and are, therefore, "peace officers." 1 OAG, 1955, No 1891, p 72 (February 24, 1955); 2 OAG, 1958, No 3212, p 60 (February 21, 1958). Conversely, police officers such as motor carrier enforcement officers who possess only restricted or special enforcement authority do not meet this standard and therefore do not qualify as "peace officers." People v Bissonette, supra; OAG, 1987-1988, No 6530, p 362 (August 5, 1988). Thus, a reserve police officer with limited law enforcement authority would not qualify as a "peace officer" under subsection 2 of section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code. A reserve police officer with general law enforcement authority who is regularly employed would qualify as a "peace officer" under subsection (2) of section 234e. See OAG, 1973-1974, No 4792, p 78 (August 27, 1973), and OAG, 1979-1980, No 5806, p 1055 (October 28, 1980).

Section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code does not define the crime of brandishing a firearm in public. The Michigan Criminal Jury Instructions, published by the Committee on Standard Criminal Jury Instructions, does not include a recommended jury instruction on brandishing a firearm. Research discloses that while the term "brandishing" appears in reported Michigan cases,2  none of the cases define the term.

In the absence of any reported Michigan appellate court decisions defining "brandishing," it is appropriate to rely upon dictionary definitions.
People v Denio, 454 Mich 691, 699; 564 NW2d 13 (1997). According to The American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition (1982), at p 204,
the term brandishing is defined as: "1. To wave or flourish menacingly, as a weapon. 2. To display ostentatiously. –n. A menacing or defiant wave or flourish."
This definition comports with the meaning ascribed to this term by courts of other jurisdictions. For example, in United States v Moerman, 233 F3d 379, 380 (CA 6, 2000), the court recognized that in federal sentencing guidelines,
"brandishing" a weapon is defined to mean "that the weapon was pointed or waved about, or displayed in a threatening manner."


Applying these definitions to your question, it is clear that a reserve police officer, regardless whether he or she qualifies as a "peace officer," when carrying a handgun in a holster in plain view, is not waving or displaying the firearm in a threatening manner. Thus, such conduct does not constitute brandishing a firearm in violation of section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code.

It is my opinion, therefore, that a reserve police officer, by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.



JENNIFER M. GRANHOLM
Attorney General

1Violation of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for up to 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100, or both.

2 See, for example: People v Jones, 443 Mich 88, 90; 504 NW2d 158 (1993), People v Kreger, 214 Mich App 549, 552; 543 NW2d 55 (1995), and People v Stubbs, 15 Mich App 453, 455; 166 NW2d 477 (1968).


It should be noted here that unless you have a CWL there are certain places you cannot openly carry a weapon.  Know the law before hand!

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Reply #1225 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 8:57am
 
The appropriate answer would've been, "Hey, dumbass, open carry is legal in Michigan."

Unfortunately, virtually nobody is aware of that.


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In fact, that law was written in 1956, so it's really even older...but not as old as Granholm's idea of overregulated state government!

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Governor David Paterson says enough is enough. Fed up with the fighting in Albany, the governor is ordering Senators back into the state house – and he plans to keep them there until the squabbling stops.

"Over the last couple of weeks, the senators' conduct has been laughable – but what's going on around here is no joke, and I don't find it funny!" Paterson said.

Saying he's not amused Sunday, a stern Gov. Paterson ordered a special state Senate session for Tuesday.

"To the senators, I tell you: you have inconvenienced the lives of all New Yorkers for a couple of weeks, and now you will come back to work and do the people's business," he said.

The governor warned Senators, who have refused to pass bills since the coup in Albany, that they'd better show up or else.

"If the Senators do not cooperate with this order, I will convene a special session everyday until they do," Paterson said. "That includes Saturdays and Sundays, that includes Fourth of July. There will be no excuses, and there will be no tolerance to non-compliance to this order."

While the governor can't force senators to vote on or debate bills, the state constitution grants him the power to call a special legislative session – and experts say he can even keep the senators in the state house with the help of state police.

"I think, at the extreme, he does have the power to call them in, and use the power of the police to bring them in, to get them all in the same room," state constitution expert Richard Briffault says.

But the governor can't do much more beyond that.

"The governor has the power to propose, to give them an agenda, and to make them look at it," Briffault says. "But he has no power to make them take any action."

Work in the senate has ground to a halt since the June 8 leadership dispute began.


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The Senate is evenly divided between 31 democrats and 31 republicans.  Since the governor ascended to his seat from Lt. Governor, there is currently no Lt. Governor in New York.

Because of this, there is no Senate president, meaning no tie-breaker for split votes.  This has effectively brought New York's congress to a screaming halt (which is probably a good thing).


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The Pirate Bay is taking down the Jolly Roger and trading in the old galleon for a luxury liner. It will be purchased in August by Sweden's Global Gaming Factory X for just under $8 million, and the new owners plan to pay "compensation to the content providers and copyright owners."


The Pirate Bay has been sold—and the new owners plan to make it a legal service that allows "content providers and copyright owners (to) get paid for content that is downloaded via the site."

Global Gaming Factory X AB, a Swedish firm that runs Internet cafes and game centers, plans to buy The Pirate Bay for 60 million kronor, twice the fine that was slapped on The Pirate Bay defendants by a Stockholm court earlier this year.

"The Pirate Bay is a site that is among the top 100 most visited Internet sites in the world," said GGF CEO Hans Pandeya. "However, in order to live on, The Pirate Bay requires a new business model, which satisfies the requirements and needs of all parties, content providers, broadband operators, end users, and the judiciary. Content creators and providers need to control their content and get paid for it. File sharers need faster downloads and better quality."

Not that the file-sharers in questions are necessarily pleased with the move; Peter Sunde Kolmisoppi, one of the site admins, has been battling Twitter criticism all day (what we'll call "Twit crit"), and shows signs of obvious fatigue with the entire Pirate Bay saga. "People hate me now for wanting to pause the six year free work we've been doing. Feels unfair," he wrote.

"We have no energy left," says another message, and a third reads, "We've been fighting for five years. Where's the thanks?"

GGF's acquisition of the site will only be confirmed after the company board decides that "the acquired assets can be used in a legally [sic] and appropriate way." If it does so, GGF will take over thepiratebay.org domain in August.

IFPI, the global music trade group, tells Ars that it is cautiously optimistic about the deal. "We don't know the details and there are many questions to ask about how this will work in practice, but we would be delighted if this resulted in the Pirate Bay turning into a legitimate licensed service," said CEO John Kennedy.

In addition to The Pirate Bay assets, GGF will acquire Swedish company Peerialism, which has developed a "new data distribution technology" that is also backwards-compatible with BitTorrent. The Peerialism code will form the basis for the new version of The Pirate Bay,

While The Pirate Bay name comes mired in legal uncertainty, it's still one of the world's best known domains, and GGF is acquiring it for under $8 million—a bargain if it really does have a workable plan for crafting a P2P version of iTunes out of the site.

What do The Pirate Bay admins have to say about the sale? Here's their statement, worth quoting at length:


TPB is being sold for a great bit underneath its value if the money would be the interesting part. It's not. The interesting thing is that the right people with the right attitude and possibilities keep running the site. As all of you know, there's not been much news on the site for the past two-three years. It's the same site essentially. On the internets, stuff dies if it doesn't evolve. We don't want that to happen.

We've been working on this project for many years. It's time to invite more people into the project, in a way that is secure and safe for everybody. We need that, or the site will die. And letting TPB die is the last thing that is allowed to happen!

If the new owners will screw around with the site, nobody will keep using it. That's the biggest insurance one can have that the site will be run in the way that we all want to. And - you can now not only share files but shares with people. Everybody can indeed be the owner of The Pirate Bay now. That's awesome and will take the heat of us.

The old crew is still around in different ways. We will also not stop being active in the politics of the internets - quite the opposite. Now we're fueling up for going into the next gear. TPB will have economical muscles to let people evolve it. It will team up with great technicians to evolve the protocols. And we, the people interested in more than just technology, will have the time to focus on that. It's win-win-win.

The profits from the sale will go into a foundation that is going to help with projects about freedom of speech, freedom of information and the openess of the nets. I hope everybody will help out in that and realize that this is the best option for all. Don't worry - be happy!


While content owners are sometimes derided even for attempting to shut down sites like The Pirate Bay and AllofMP3.com, the last few years have shown us that relentless legal and political pressure can in fact reduce such hubs to shells of their former selves.

The music industry has now realized the mistake it made in not cutting a deal with Napster a decade ago. Perhaps, with the change of direction at The Pirate Bay, all sides have a second chance to create an innovative P2P service that pays the artists and rightsholders who want to get paid (and offers fast distribution of all that other material musicians like Trent Reznor release freely).


Another one bites the dust.  I think this is going to be right up there with Napster selling out and SuprNova going dark.


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VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday called for a radical rethinking of the global economy, criticizing a growing divide between rich and poor and urging the establishment of a “world political authority” to oversee the economy and work for the “common good.”

He criticized the current economic system, “where the pernicious effects of sin are evident,” and urged financiers in particular to “rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity.”

He also called for “greater social responsibility” on the part of business. “Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty,” Benedict wrote in his new encyclica, which the Vatican released on Tuesday.

More than two years in the making, “Caritas et Veritate,” or “Charity in Truth,” is Benedict’s third encyclical since he became pope in 2005. Filled with terms like “globalization,” “market economy,” “outsourcing,” “labor unions” and “alternative energy,” it is not surprising that the Italian media reported that the Vatican was having difficulty translating the 144-page document into Latin.

Reportedly delayed to take into consideration the financial crisis, it was released by the Vatican on the eve of the Group of Eight Summit of industrialized nations, which opens in Italy on Wednesday, and before Benedict is expected to receive President Obama at the Vatican on Friday.

“It’s not an encyclical done for the crisis,” Cardinal Renato Martino, the president of the Vatican’s Council for Justice and Peace, said at a news conference on Tuesday. Still, he added, “if the encyclical had come out before the crisis, you would have said it was prophetic.”

In the encyclical, Benedict writes that “financiers must rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity, so as not to abuse the sophisticated instruments which can serve to betray the interests of savers.”

In many ways, the document is a somewhat puzzling cross between an anti-globalization tract and a government white paper, another indication that the Vatican does not comfortably fit into traditional political categories of right and left.

“There are paragraphs that sound like Ayn Rand, next to paragraphs that sound like ‘The Grapes of Wrath.’ That’s quite intentional,” Vincent J. Miller, a theologian at the University of Dayton, a Catholic institution in Ohio, said in a telephone interview.

“He’ll wax poetically about the virtuous capitalist, but then he’ll give you this very clear analysis of the ways in which global capital and the shareholder system cause managers to focus on short term good at the expense of the community, of workers, of the environment.”

Indeed, sometimes Benedict sounds like an old-school European socialist, lamenting the decline of the social welfare state and praising the “importance” of labor unions to protect workers. Without stable work, he notes, people lose hope and tend not to get married and have children.

But he also writes that “The so-called outsourcing of production can weaken the company’s sense of responsibility towards the stakeholders — namely the workers, the suppliers, the consumers, the natural environment and broader society — in favor of the shareholders.”

And he argues that it is “erroneous to hold that the market economy has an inbuilt need for a quota of poverty and underdevelopment in order to function at its best.”

Benedict also calls for a reform of the United Nations so that there can be a unified “global political body” that allows the less powerful of the earth to have a voice, and calls on rich nations to help less fortunate ones.

“In the search for solutions to the current economic crisis, development aid for poor countries must be considered a valid means of creating wealth for all,” he writes.

John Sniegocki, a professor of Christian ethics at Xavier University in Cincinnati, said that one of the most controversial elements of the encyclical, at least for some Americans, will be Benedict’s call for international institutions to play a role in regulating the economy.

“One of the things he’s saying is that the global economy is escaping the power of individual states to regulate it,” Mr. Miller said. He said the encyclical also contained elements “very critical” of how the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank “have required cuts in social spending in the third world.”

Arguably the most environmentally-conscious pope in history, Benedict writes that, “One of the greatest challenges facing the economy is to achieve the most efficient use — not abuse — of natural resources, based on a realization that the notion of ‘efficiency’ is not value-free.”

In line with what he calls “respecting the intrinsic value of creation,” he also decries stem cell research, abortion and euthanasia.


This article should get Stewie all worked up, if only because of the title!

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Reply #1232 - Jul 7th, 2009 at 4:23pm
 
It's nice to see the Nazi trend of the popes continue.  With PJPII, he sought and acted to bring the worlds' religions together even going as far as having snake's blood dripped on his "holy robe".  This one is just now calling for new economic.  I believe the next pope will push for a world government.  In fact, if you want to get freaky into it, there's a prophecy that says this is the 2nd to last pope of the church.

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Reply #1233 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:07pm
 
Just in case you want to know where all of that "stimulus" money is going, you can use this map to drill all the way down to the county level.

http://www.recovery.org/for_businesses.aspx?gloc=US*US&mloc=US

You might want to print out a copy of this for your great-grandchildren, so they know where their tax burden came from.


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Is that a Kimber Eclipse? I want one soooooo bad.  We have good taste.
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2005 Kimber Eclipse II - NRA Gun of the Year Edition

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Frame: full size, stainless, series II, black oxide and brushed polished sides (after black oxide). Slide: 5”, stainless, fixed sights, black oxide, brushed polished sides (after black oxide), engraved with “NRA Eclipse II” on ejection port side and “2005 FNRA GUN OF THE YEAR” on the Kimber logo side. Seven round blue Kimber magazine. Fixed white dot sights, premium aluminum trigger with 4-5 lb. trigger pull, standard thumb safety, wood grips with round NRA letter logo, 5” carbon barrel, black small parts and serial number range from K05NRA0001 - K05NRA1025. There will be a total of 1025 guns in this limited edition.


Admittedly, only one of these belong to me.  I'm babysitting the "twin" for my brother-in-law who is currently in law school in New York, where anything fun is banned by fiat.


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Stick wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 at 3:44pm:
Are they sequential serial #s?


Not quite.  One is xx50 and the other is xx61.


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A company director has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after confronting a gang of yobs who were attacking his stepson.
Colin Philpott, 58, allegedly stabbed a 16-year-old in the chest during the incident in the front garden of his £500,000 Tudor-style house.
He had awoken late on Friday night to discover stepson Alex Lee being beaten by the group of teenagers.

  Arrest: Colin Philpott (left) went to the aid of his stepson Alex Lee (right)

Mr Lee, 25, had gone outside to stop the gang from vandalising Mr Philpott’s Jaguar car. Mr Lee was said to have then been punched and kicked in the head, suffering a broken nose and concussion for which he needed hospital treatment.
Speaking after his release on bail, his stepfather Mr Philpott, who owns an escalator cleaning company, described how he had gone downstairs to find the gang on the doorstep.
'I was asleep and I awoke to hear a noise outside. When I appeared at the door I was set upon by them, as a result of which one of the youths received several stab wounds,' he said
'My wife appeared and I asked her to call the police and the ambulance service. They arrived shortly afterwards and I was arrested.
'It was traumatic but I was very well treated by the police. I have to return to the police station in September.

'At the moment I am not too worried about it but has been difficult, particularly for my wife, I must say.'

He went on to claim his Jaguar had been vandalised on a number of occasions and youths often congregated in the area.

Mr Philpott's wife Susanne, 51, had earlier described how her husband had rushed out to defend her son with a letter-opener he had grabbed from a shelf. It was then that the teenager was allegedly stabbed five times. He was taken to hospital and was last night said to be stable.
When police arrived at the five-bedroom house in Crowthorne, Berkshire, Mr Philpott was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. Five youths, aged 16 and 17, were arrested on suspicion of assault and criminal damage.
Mrs Philpott said: ‘My son and I came out at about 11pm after hearing a bang and we saw two young guys outside our house.
‘They returned 15 minutes later – with three others – and all were visibly drunk. I took a digital camera and told them that if they vandalised anything else I’d take pictures as evidence.
‘One said that he would kill me and burn down my house. I was terrified and when Alex tried to calm him down, the other four got worked up and they all attacked him. Alex ended up on the ground with all five of them on him, kicking him in the head and stomach. I was so frightened for him that I screamed for Colin, who was in bed.
‘He came running out – still barefoot and half asleep – and saw the mess Alex was in so ran back into the house. He grabbed the first thing he saw, which was a letter-opener, and confronted the boys.
‘They attacked Colin and I saw one stumble into the road as Colin screamed for me to call the police. When the police arrived and then arrested Colin, I was gob-smacked.
‘It was heartbreaking to see him handcuffed and carted off like a common criminal. He is a hardworking, honest family man and was only trying to protect us.’

The mother of two, who works as a training consultant, said the quiet neighbourhood had been blighted by teenagers attacking cars and defacing gardens for several months.
Terror: Colin Philpott and stepson Alex grappled with thugs outside their luxury home
She claimed that just days earlier, Mr Philpott’s £30,000 S-Type Jaguar had been smothered with hair gel while it was parked on the driveway.
‘We have had lots of trouble with vandals and they have targeted us twice within a week. The worst thing is that I am now terrified in my own home.
‘The police have installed a panic button but I still don’t feel safe. My husband and I had a holiday planned but now I wouldn’t feel safe leaving my 22-year-old daughter on her own.
‘I just can’t get over how one minute you’re happy and everything is fine and the next your  life has been turned upside down by some mindless yobs.’
Terry Brenner, a 55-year-old pipe fitter, described how he was walking past the scene of the stabbing at about 11.30pm. Mr Brenner said: ‘The son was sitting on the doorstep and had facial injuries. The ambulance had already taken away the injured boy and the police had taken away Colin.
‘Susanne was with her son and the policeman came over and said the father could be prosecuted for attempted murder. The poor lady just collapsed.
‘That’s when the policeman realised that someone else had been injured and he called an ambulance for her son.’
One neighbour said that Mr Philpott’s green Jaguar had been discovered the day before the incident covered in a white substance.

Others said some badly-behaved teenagers used the modern housing estate as a cut-through to get to a nearby park.
One said: ‘They act like yobs and are bullies. I am so upset at what has happened to my neighbour. He’s a lovely man.’
Other residents said gangs of youngsters had ripped up flower beds, thrown eggs at them and thrown objects through open windows. Neighbours have reported the anti-social behaviour to the local council and a councillor is said to have asked Thames Valley Police to take action.
Last night the force confirmed that Mr Philpott had been released on bail, pending possible charges.


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This is exactly why England is falling.  It's no longer a joke of being a "nanny state".  If you,  your family, heck even a stranger is being attacked and great bodily harm is coming to them...you better not do anything and hope the police are close and you can get to a phone.  If I ever switch sides to the bad guys...I'm committing all my crime in England.

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That's England for you.  If someone attacked my family on my front doorstep, a letter opener would be the least of their worries.


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b0b wrote on Jul 27th, 2009 at 6:11am:
That's England for you.  If someone attacked my family on my front doorstep, a letter opener would be the least of their worries.


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When Wal-Mart announced in 2008 that it was pulling down the DRM servers behind its (nearly unused) online music store, the Internet suffered a collective aneurysm of outrage, eventually forcing the retail giant to run the servers for another year. Buying DRMed content, then having that content neutered a few months later, seemed to most consumers not to be fair.

But that's not quite how Big Content sees things—just ask Steven Metalitz, the Washington DC lawyer who represents the MPAA, RIAA, and other rightsholders before the Copyright Office. Because the Copyright Office is in the thick of its triennial DMCA review process, in which it will decide to allow certain exemptions to the rules against cracking DRM, Metalitz has been doing plenty of representation of late.

He has now responded to a host of questions from the Copyright Office following up on live hearings held earlier this year, and in those comments, Metalitz (again) strongly opposes any exemption that would allow users to legally strip DRM from content if a store goes dark and takes down its authentication servers.

"We reject the view," he writes in a letter to the top legal advisor at the Copyright Office, "that copyright owners and their licensees are required to provide consumers with perpetual access to creative works. No other product or service providers are held to such lofty standards. No one expects computers or other electronics devices to work properly in perpetuity, and there is no reason that any particular mode of distributing copyrighted works should be required to do so."
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This is, of course, true, but that doesn't make it any less weird. The only reason that such tracks are crippled after authentication servers go down is because of a system that was demanded by content owners and imposed on companies like Wal-Mart and Apple; buyers who grudgingly bought tracks online because it was easy accepted, but never desired the DRM. To simply say that they are "out of luck" because they used a system that the rightsholders demanded is the height of callousness to one's customers. While computers and electronics devices do break down over time, these music tracks were crippled by design.

Such an attitude looks even stranger when you consider that the music labels have in fact removed DRM as a requirement at stores like iTunes and Amazon, so all tracks purchased today are open and may work in perpetuity, however much the labels would prefer people to keep repurchasing the same song.

Keep this reality in mind when you read Metalitz's next comment, which continues, "To recognize the proposed exemption would surely discourage any content provider from entering the marketplace for online distribution... unless it was committed to do so... forever. This would not be good for consumers, who would find a marketplace with less innovation and fewer choices and options."

The mind boggles. This reads like copy from a Bizarro World manifesto on DRM, since the reality of the market for downloaded music (which was the issue behind the proposed exemption) has shown quite clearly that people don't want DRM on their tunes and providers are happy to comply once the labels allowed it. The current situation, with several major stores and little or no DRM on downloads, is manifestly better for buyers.

While the issue may seem almost irrelevant now for downloaded music, DRM is still alive and well on streaming music and most video streams and downloads. Metalitz doesn't want his clients to face a situation where decryption tools can be produced under the proposed exemption, then widely distributed. How could such decryption tools be limited to those who have actually suffered from authentication servers going dark, he wonders?

But the Copyright Office indicated that it may grant the exemption, asking Metalitz and other respondents to "assume that" the case has been made. Metalitz declined to assume this, writing that "we cannot accept this invitation to assume that the Register [of Copyright] will recommend that the Librarian [of Congress] violate his statutory duty by recognizing Exemption 10B."

Metalitz suggests that the market will take care of problems that arise, pointing out that Wal-Mart and others have all kept their DRM servers running after public outcries. But Harvard Fellow Chris Soghoian, who proposed the exemption, noted that Wal-Mart will be shutting down its DRM servers for good in October 2009.

"Wal-Mart's latest actions provide ample evidence that the issue of DRM abandonware is not a hypothetical concern and that the market cannot be counted on to provide consumers with an adequate remedy," he wrote.



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Imagine if Dell built a chip into the motherboard that required all PCs to communicate with a server at Dell HQ before booting up, then took that server offline a few years later.  There would be lawsuits and legislation up the wazoo before Dell even finished the press release!


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heh its what EA does with its games. year or 2 later, online servers go off. I think they do that with their authentication too, especially if the game didnt sell super well.
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THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.

The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.

He said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”

But Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is all much too little, much too late.

“This Government has been in power for more than a decade during which time anti-social behaviour, family breakdown and problems like alcohol abuse and truancy have just got worse and worse.”
     
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Mr Balls also said responsible parents who make sure their children behave in school will get new rights to complain about those who allow their children to disrupt lessons.

Pupils and their families will have to sign behaviour contracts known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, which will set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.

The updated Youth Crime Action Plan also called for a crackdown on violent girl gangs as well as drug and alcohol abuse among young women.

But a decision to give ministers new powers to intervene with failing local authority Youth Offending Teams was criticised by council leaders.

Les Lawrence, of the Local Government Association, said they did “crucial” work and such intervention was “completely unnecessary”.


If this happens, I hope these troubled families end up pawning the cameras for a new X-Box.  If England does this, I hope their country gets nuked with a gay bomb.

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Here’s something a bit different from the Three Rivers Police Department:  Monday evening (August 3rd), officers were dispatched to the Maplecrest Apartments for a suspicious situation.  While the officer was inside the building speaking to the complainant, a 26-year-old man was in the area of the parking lot.  The man reportedly “began to torment the police dog by barking and shouting at the animal inside the car.  This caused the dog to become excited and very aggressive.” Police say the man was arrested for “harassing a police animal” and transported to the police department.  He was released on bond and faces one count of “disorderly conduct” under the city’s local ordinance.


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Busting drug dealers and taking down meth houses?!

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Briney sent me this story yesterday.  More deaths occurred from the shots than from the actual swine flu and there were concerns that the shots were dangerous.  However, the University of Alabama would not allow students sign up for classes until they received a "death shot" and they didn't allow any waivers.  The government has pushed old folks and young babies to get them first, those groups of people are more susceptible to have adverse effects because of under developed or weakened immune systems.

Ya know, I tell people to be aware of these shots because of what's in them and the history of "vaccine" shots and I get called a crazy conspiracy nut.  However this newspaper article comes out and no one will question it.  It's sad that the media has that sort of unquestioning sway over the populous even after being caught in lies after lies.

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A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

    * More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
    * 500 cases of GBS were detected.
    *  The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
    * The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
    * The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

Concerns have already been raised that the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.

It is being developed by pharmaceutical companies and will be given to about 13million people during the first wave of immunisation, expected to start in October.

Top priority will be given to everyone aged six months to 65 with an underlying health problem, pregnant women and health professionals.

The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out.

One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the GBS risk.’

There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.

A mass vaccination was given the go-ahead by President Gerald Ford because scientists believed that the swine flu strain was similar to the one responsible for the 1918-19 pandemic, which killed half a million Americans and 20million people worldwide.

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The swine flu vaccine being offered to children has not been tested on infants

Within days, symptoms of GBS were reported among those who had been immunised and 25 people died from respiratory failure after severe paralysis. One in 80,000 people came down with the condition. In contrast, just one person died of swine flu.

More than 40million Americans had received the vaccine by the time the programme was stopped after ten weeks. The US Government paid out millions of dollars in compensation to those affected.

The swine flu virus in the new vaccine is a slightly different strain from the 1976 virus, but the possibility of an increased incidence of GBS remains a concern.

Shadow health spokesman Mike Penning said last night: ‘The last thing we want is secret letters handed around experts within the NHS. We need a vaccine but we also need to know about potential risks.

‘Our job is to make sure that the public knows what’s going on. Why
is the Government not being open about this? It’s also very worrying if GPs, who will be administering the vaccine, aren’t being warned.’

Two letters were posted together to neurologists advising them of the concerns. The first, dated July 29, was written by Professor Elizabeth Miller, head of the HPA’s Immunisation Department.

It says: ‘The vaccines used to combat an expected swine influenza pandemic in 1976 were shown to be associated with GBS and were withdrawn from use.

‘GBS has been identified as a condition needing enhanced surveillance when the swine flu vaccines are rolled out.

‘Reporting every case of GBS irrespective of vaccination or disease history is essential for conducting robust epidemiological analyses capable of identifying whether there is an increased risk of GBS in defined time periods after vaccination, or after influenza itself, compared with the background risk.’

The second letter, dated July 27, is from the Association of British Neurologists and is written by Dr Rustam Al-Shahi Salman, chair of its surveillance unit, and Professor Patrick Chinnery, chair of its clinical research committee.
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Halted: The 1976 US swine flu campaign

It says: ‘Traditionally, the BNSU has monitored rare diseases for long periods of time. However, the swine influenza (H1N1) pandemic has overtaken us and we need every member’s involvement with a new BNSU survey of Guillain-Barre Syndrome that will start on August 1 and run for approximately nine months.

‘Following the 1976 programme of vaccination against swine influenza in the US, a retrospective study found a possible eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS.

‘Active prospective ascertainment of every case of GBS in the UK is required. Please tell BNSU about every case.

‘You will have seen Press coverage describing the Government’s concern about releasing a vaccine of unknown safety.’

If there are signs of a rise in GBS after the vaccination programme begins, the Government could decide to halt it.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, leaving them unable to transmit signals to muscles effectively.

It can cause partial paralysis and mostly affects the hands and feet. In serious cases, patients need to be kept on a ventilator, but it can be fatal.

Death is caused by paralysis of the respiratory system, causing the victim to suffocate.
It is not known exactly what causes GBS and research on the subject has been inconclusive.

However, it is thought that one in a million people who have a seasonal flu vaccination could be at risk and it has also been linked to people recovering from a bout of flu of any sort.

The HPA said it was part of the Government’s pandemic plan to monitor GBS cases in the event of a mass vaccination campaign, regardless of the strain of flu involved.
But vaccine experts warned that the letters proved the programme was a ‘guinea-pig trial’.

Dr Tom Jefferson, co-ordinator of the vaccines section of the influential Cochrane Collaboration, an independent group that reviews research, said: ‘New vaccines never behave in the way you expect them to. It may be that there is a link to GBS, which is certainly not something I would wish on anybody.

‘But it could end up being anything because one of the additives in one of the vaccines is a substance called squalene, and none of the studies we’ve extracted have any research on it at all.’

He said squalene, a naturally occurring enzyme, could potentially cause so-far-undiscovered side effects.

Jackie Fletcher, founder of vaccine support group Jabs, said: ‘The Government would not be anticipating this if they didn’t think there was a connection. What we’ve got is a massive guinea-pig trial.’

Professor Chinnery said: ‘During the last swine flu pandemic, it was observed that there was an increased frequency of cases of GBS. No one knows whether it was the virus or the vaccine that caused this.

‘The purpose of the survey is for us to assess rapidly whether there is an increase in the frequency of GBS when the vaccine is released in the UK. It also increases consultants’ awareness of the condition.

Panic over? The number of swine flu cases has fallen sharply in the past week

Panic over? The number of swine flu cases has fallen sharply in the past few weeks

‘This is a belt-and-braces approach to safety and is not something people should be substantially worried about as it’s a rare condition.’

If neurologists do identify a case of GBS, it will be logged on a central database.

Details about patients, including blood samples, will be collected and monitored by the HPA.

It is hoped this will help scientists establish why some people develop the condition and whether it is directly related to the vaccine.

But some question why there needs to be a vaccine, given the risks. Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of The Truth About Vaccines, said: ‘For people with serious underlying health problems, the risk of dying from swine flu is probably greater than the risk of side effects from the vaccine.

‘But it would be tragic if we repeated the US example and ended up with more casualties from the jabs.

‘I applaud the Government for recognising the risk but in most cases this is a mild virus which needs a few days in bed. I’d question why we need a vaccine at all.’

Professor Miller at the HPA said: ‘This monitoring system activates pandemic plans that have been in place for a number of years. We’ll be able to get information on whether a patient has had a prior influenza illness and will look at whether influenza itself is linked to GBS.

‘We are not expecting a link to the vaccine but a link to disease, which would make having the vaccine even more important.’

The UK’s medicines watchdog, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, is already monitoring reported side effects from Tamiflu and Relenza and it is set to extend that surveillance to the vaccine.

A Department of Health spokesperson said: ‘The European Medicines Agency has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

‘In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.

‘It is extremely irresponsible to suggest that the UK would use a vaccine without careful consideration of safety issues. The UK has one of the most successful immunisation programmes in the world.’

I COULDN''T EAT OR SPEAK... IT WAS HORRENDOUS
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Victim: Hilary Wilkinson spent three months in hospital after she was diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome
When Hilary Wilkinson woke up with muscle weakness in her left arm and difficulty breathing, doctors initially put it down to a stroke.

But within hours, she was on a ventilator in intensive care after being diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

She spent three months in hospital and had to learn how to talk and walk again. But at times, when she was being fed through a drip and needed a tracheotomy just to breathe, she doubted whether she would survive.

The mother of two, 57, from Maryport, Cumbria, had been in good health until she developed a chest infection in March 2006. She gradually became so weak she could not walk downstairs.

Doctors did not diagnose Guillain-Barre until her condition worsened in hospital and tests showed her reflexes slowing down. It is impossible for doctors to know how she contracted the disorder, although it is thought to be linked to some infections.

Mrs Wilkinson said: ‘It was very scary. I couldn’t eat and I couldn’t speak. My arms and feet had no strength and breathing was hard.

I was treated with immunoglobulin, which are proteins found in blood, to stop damage to my nerves. After ten days, I still couldn’t speak and had to mime to nurses or my family.

‘It was absolutely horrendous and I had no idea whether I would get through it. You reach very dark moments at such times and wonder how long it can last.

But I’m a very determined person and I had lots of support.’

After three weeks, she was transferred to a neurological ward, where she had an MRI scan and nerve tests to assess the extent of the damage.

Still unable to speak and in a wheelchair, Mrs Wilkinson eventually began gruelling physiotherapy to improve her muscle strength and movement but it was exhausting and painful.

Three years later, she is almost fully recovered. She can now walk for several miles at a time, has been abroad and carries out voluntary work for a GBS Support Group helpline.

She said: ‘It makes me feel wary that the Government is rolling out this vaccine without any clear idea of the GBS risk, if any. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone and it certainly changed my life.

‘I’m frightened to have the swine flu vaccine if this might happen again – it’s a frightening illness and I think more research needs to be done on the effect of the vaccine.’

Hotline staff given access to confidential records

Confidential NHS staff records and disciplinary complaints could be accessed by hundreds of workers manning the Government’s special swine flu hotline.

They were able to browse through a database of emails containing doctors’ and nurses’ National Insurance numbers, home addresses, dates of birth, mobile phone numbers and scanned passport pages – all details that could be used fraudulently.

And private and confidential complaints sent by hospitals about temporary medical staff – some of whom were named – were also made available to the call-centre workers, who were given a special password to log in to an internal NHS website.

It could be a breach of the Data Protection Act.

The hotline staff work for NHS Professionals, which was set up using taxpayers’ money to employ temporary medical and administrative staff for the health service.

The not-for-profit company runs two of the Government’s swine flu call centres – with 300 staff in Farnborough, Hampshire, and 900 in Watford, Hertfordshire.

Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley described the revelations as ‘disturbing’.

Anne Mitchell, a spokeswoman for Unison, said: ‘There’s no excuse for such a fundamental breach of personal security. Action needs to be taken as soon as possible to make sure this does not happen again.’

A spokeswoman for NHS Professionals would not confirm whether access to the confidential files had been granted.
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Considering the relatively low risk of the disease amongst healthy individuals and it's lack of prevalence (comparatively speaking), why the heck is a college mandating shots?  Hell, I work for a medical center full of high-risk individuals and we don't even have to get shots.

A college has got to be the absolute last facility on the list of places to worry about.  It's full of young adults that are at the peak of their health.  A hospital, psychiatric ward, or day care center?  Maybe.  But definitely not a college.



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Maybe their concerned with their immune systems being fed by nothing but Ramen Noodles and Hot Pockets?
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To be fair, that guy was found out to be working the soup line, not partaking in the eating...ya know...just to be fair.
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Thanks for ruining a perfectly good rant, Stewie!


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Have you guys been reading about all these cases of open carry at peaceful protests?  The only thing that may never make open carry common place are privately owned businesses not allowing it.  I doubt in todays society that a restaurant would allow an open carry to eat at their diner for example.

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I would think more resturants would want normal citizens to open carry.  If I'm a masked man who busts through the door, only to see every man, woman, and child carrying...I'd make the quickest escape ever!  Plus it's a great deterent.
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I completely agree but I have a hard time thinking that the average door greeting 20 to 40 year old female is going to have the same view on this unless her supervisors explain it to her first. She'll be like "oh a gun, you can't bring that in here."
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Psh she's just a 20-40 y/o female door greeter...and I have a gun!  WHERE ARE MY BABY BACK RIBS!!!???
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X wrote on Aug 18th, 2009 at 3:38pm:
Psh she's just a 20-40 y/o female door greeter...and I have a gun!  WHERE ARE MY BABY BACK RIBS!!!???


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Jailed ‘Shock’ Blogger Hal Turner Claims FBI Trained Him to Be ‘Agent Provocateur’

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.
Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.


"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

Special Agent Ross Rice, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he would not comment on or even confirm Turner's relationship with the FBI.

Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.

In June, Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation—later withdrawn—that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.

He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.

Orozco officially joined Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case on Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.

Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases.

Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Chicago, said the office would not comment on Orozco's statements.


Why do we allow a government to even have "Agent Provocateur"?!  This is tryanny at it's finest and this is what Orwell also warned about with his Emmanuel Goldstein character!  Gosh, I hate this so much.

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Stick wrote on Aug 18th, 2009 at 1:32pm:
Have you guys been reading about all these cases of open carry at peaceful protests?  The only thing that may never make open carry common place are privately owned businesses not allowing it.  I doubt in todays society that a restaurant would allow an open carry to eat at their diner for example.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/index.html


MSNBC got all pissy about the guy with the AR15, and argued that it probably had racial overtones.  White guys with guns at an event for a black president?  RAAAAAACIST!

The problem?  They doctored the video of the guy to hide the fact he was black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI


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Reply #1266 - Aug 30th, 2009 at 10:15am
 
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Police in Richmond upon Thames, south west London have been taking valuable items from unlocked cars to encourage motorists to take better care of their property.


By David Millward, Transport Editor
Published: 2:50PM BST 25 Aug 2009

While forces across the country have been sending warning letters to the owners of cars when they see possessions unattended, this is believed to be the first time that goods have been "stolen" to drive the crime-prevention message home.

When officers remove goods, they leave a note in the car telling the owner that they can retrieve their possessions from Twickenham police station.

The initiative has been launched in an area where theft from cars has been rife.

"We have had a bit problem with thefts from cars, so we decided to be a bit more innovative," said Superintendent Jim Davis, the officer behind the initiative.

If items are needed urgently, police will return the goods immediately.

"We want to stop people from being the victims of crime," he said. "We are not talking about £3 in loose change in the glove compartment, we are talking about cameras, laptops and expensive leather jackets. People would be far more upset if their property really was stolen."

Police are only removing items from unlocked cars. Where they see either an unlocked car or valuables left exposed in a locked vehicle, owners are being sent a letter advising them to take better care or their property.

The initiative was welcomed by the AA. "It would be quite irritating for motorists to come back to their car and find that items have gone missing. But on reflection they may think it is better that the stuff has been taken by the police rather than local thieves.

"I would imagine police patience is wearing thin and there have been other projects where they have set up cars as decoys and caught thieves. "



Wow, England is looking more like the country of Orwell's nightmares with every passing day.  It's a good thing they took everyone's guns away before they tried pulling this stunt.


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Does anyone know how or if it is possible to open carry while in a vehicle?  Has anyone here open carried?
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Reply #1268 - Aug 31st, 2009 at 11:49am
 
The only time you can open carry in a vehicle is if you have a concealed weapons permit.  If you do not the gun must be locked in the trunk and the ammo seperate from the weapon.

I have just recently begun to open carry when in public.  I have yet to be turned down for service or told to leave and no cops have arrested me yet. 

I recently posted the MI ruling on open carry that you can find in this posting.

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Reply #1269 - Aug 31st, 2009 at 7:08pm
 
Stick wrote on Aug 31st, 2009 at 11:29am:
Does anyone know how or if it is possible to open carry while in a vehicle?  Has anyone here open carried?



No!  In Michigan, any weapon on your person is considered concealed when in a vehicle.  Most states apply a reasonable standard to "open" carry in a vehicle, but Michigan retardedly bans it altogether.

I carried openly from time to time between turning 21 and getting my concealed carry license nine months later.  Honestly, I don't think anybody even noticed.  That said, if you carry openly, you should plan on getting harassed by morons.  Don't be too surprised if some idiot calls the police to report "a man with a gun!!!!!!!11111one!"  You'll be on the legal and moral high ground, though.

Remember, if you open carry, you must separate the gun and ammunition and lock 'em up before you get into the car.  Better yet, just get a concealed carry license then you don't have to worry about locking up your pistol when you get in the car.

Check out a concise list of Michigan's carry laws here.


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Does anyone, bob, know a good place to get certified?  Cheap, maybe one day, and somewhat close?

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Reply #1271 - Sep 1st, 2009 at 6:14am
 
I wholeheartedly recommend Southside Sportman Club in Battle Creek.  When I took their class, it was about $140.  That's a bit more expensive than other places, but you get your mandated three hours of range time for free as well as your passport photo for your application.  They even give you breakfast and lunch, so you don't have to find your way around Battle Creek.

On top of that, the class was excellent.  They managed to keep the entire eight-hour session interesting and relevant.  That's quite a feat.

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Reply #1272 - Sep 1st, 2009 at 9:21am
 
Thanks for the information, I've been open carrying at my home because I sold my car and the buyer is not satisfied with the vehicle that he agreed to purchase.  He sent me a text message saying, in summary, that he has my address and it's no big deal for him to travel 2.5 hours and be there.  I also wanted to have the firearm in my vehicle in case I show up to my home and he is already waiting for me there.
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Reply #1273 - Sep 1st, 2009 at 4:40pm
 
If you sold the vehicle as is, then tell him to get lost.

If he threatens you again just turn his ass in to the police Stick.
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Reply #1274 - Sep 1st, 2009 at 9:01pm
 
Better yet, just preempt him.  (I KEED, I KEED!)

On a completely different not, check out Obama's latest approval ratings...

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604

I know patrick already knows about this, but now its mainstream, so:

"Pandemic Response Bill" 2028 was passed by the Massachusetts state Senate on April 28 and is now awaiting approval in the House.

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As stated in the bill, upon declaration by the governor that an emergency exists that is considered detrimental to public health or upon declaration of a state of emergency, a local public health authority, with approval of the commissioner, may exercise the following authorities (emphasis added):

    * to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;

    * to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any building or facility, and to allow the reopening of the building or facility when the danger has ended;

    * to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated, or to destroy any material;

    * to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;

    * to require a health care facility to provide services or the use of its facility, or to transfer the management and supervision of the health care facility to the department or to a local public health authority;

    * to control ingress to and egress from any stricken or threatened public area, and the movement of persons and materials within the area;

    * to adopt and enforce measures to provide for the safe disposal of infectious waste and human remains, provided that religious, cultural, family, and individual beliefs of the deceased person shall be followed to the extent possible when disposing of human remains, whenever that may be done without endangering the public health;

    * to procure, take immediate possession from any source, store, or distribute any anti-toxins, serums, vaccines, immunizing agents, antibiotics, and other pharmaceutical agents or medical supplies located within the commonwealth as may be necessary to respond to the emergency;

    * to require in-state health care providers to assist in the performance of vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of any individual as a condition of licensure, authorization, or the ability to continue to function as a health care provider in the commonwealth;

    * to waive the commonwealth's licensing requirements for health care professionals with a valid license from another state in the United States or whose professional training would otherwise qualify them for an appropriate professional license in the commonwealth;

    * to allow for the dispensing of controlled substance by appropriate personnel consistent with federal statutes as necessary for the prevention or treatment of illness;

    * to authorize the chief medical examiner to appoint and prescribe the duties of such emergency assistant medical examiners as may be required for the proper performance of the duties of office;

    * to collect specimens and perform tests on any animal, living or deceased;

    * to exercise authority under sections 95 and 96 of chapter 111;

    * to care for any emerging mental health or crisis counseling needs that individuals may exhibit, with the consent of the individuals

State and local agencies responding to the public health emergency would be required to exercise their powers over transportation routes, communication devices, carriers, public utilities, fuels, food, clothing and shelter, according to the legislation.
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Reply #1276 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 12:49pm
 
Watch out!  If you catch a cold, all of your constitutionally-protected rights go out the window!


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...and that's...nothing to sneeze at!


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http://nlpc.org/print/2508

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Obama White House Has Secret Plan To Harvest Personal Data From Social Networking Websites
By Ken Boehm
Created 08/31/2009 - 19:07

White House photoNLPC has uncovered a plan by the White House New Media operation to hire a technology vendor to conduct a massive, secret effort to harvest personal information on millions of Americans from social networking websites.

The information to be captured includes comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video. The targeted sites include Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube, Flickr and others – any space where the White House “maintains a presence.”

In the course of investigating procurement by the White House New Media office, NLPC discovered a 51-page solicitation of bids that was filed on Friday, August 21, 2009. Filed as Solicitation # WHO-S-09-0003, it is posted [1] at FedBizzOps.com. Click here to download a 51-page pdf of the solicitation [2].

While the solicitation specifies a 12-month contract, it allows for seven one-year extensions. It specifies no dollar cap. Other troubling issues include:

    extremely broad secrecy terms preventing the vendor from disclosing to the public or the media what information is being captured and archived (page 7, “Restriction Against Disclosure”)

    wholesale capturing of comments by non-White House staff on publicly accessible sites

    capturing of content of any type (text, graphics, audio, or video)

    capturing of comments by both Obama critics and supporters, with no restriction as to how the White House would use the information.

This is the third controversy involving the White House internet operations in less than a month. First, Obama’s New Media operation asked supporters to send information about critics of the White House health care effort to a White House email. This provoked a storm of criticism and the White House retreated. Then large number of people complained of getting email spam from the White House supporting the President’s health care position.  Again the White House was forced to back down.

Now the same people at the White House are at it again with an ambitious plan to harvest huge amounts of information from the web and specifically social networking sites.

Given the White House’s recent abuse of its New Media operations, this huge, new secretive program is yet another sign that this Administration is at best indifferent to privacy rights and at worst prepared to violate civil liberties for political purposes.

Perhaps anticipating negative reaction to the invasiveness of the plan, a justification is provided in a Q&A. section of the solicitation. Question #9 reads:

    The Presidential Records Act does not require the storage or archiving of non-EOP content, as such is there a specific reason as to why the content provided on EOP related websites in the form of comments is included in these archiving procedures?

    Answer: The PRA includes in its definition of presidential records content ―received by PRA components and personnel. Out of an abundance of caution, we are treating comments made by non-PRA personnel on sites on which a PRA component has a presence as presidential records, requiring them to be captured or sampled.

Of course, this interpretation of the Presidential Records Act is so expansive that virtually any communication mentioning the president or the Administration could become subject to collection and archiving under the Act. This is not out of an “abundance of caution,” but out of an over-abundance of power. President Obama should make sure that this plan goes no further.



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By Julianna Goldman and Nicholas Johnston

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama returns to Washington next week in search of one thing that can revive his health-care overhaul: a sense of crisis.

Facing polls showing a drop in his approval, diminished support from independents, factions within his Democratic Party and a united Republican opposition, Obama must recapture the sense of urgency that led to passage of the economic rescue package in February, analysts said.

“At the moment, except for the people without insurance, we’re not in a health-care crisis,” said Stephen Wayne, a professor of government at Georgetown University in Washington. “You do need a crisis to generate movement in Congress and to help build a consensus.”

Obama speaks to labor leaders on Sept. 7 and to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 9 as he attempts to rebuild support for his top domestic priority, one that affects 17 percent of the economy. Lawmakers, trying to extend coverage to millions of uninsured Americans and rein in costs, are considering mandates on employers to provide coverage, new rules for insurers, and creating a government program to compete with private insurers such as Indianapolis-based WellPoint Inc.

Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said the administration made unprecedented health-care progress in eight months.

‘Not There Yet’

“We gave Congress a charge, we gave them broad outlines, which is the reason we are farther along than any of the five presidents that have tried,” Emanuel said in an interview yesterday. “We’re not there yet, and this speech is intended to finish the job.”

Presidential speeches historically do little to move public opinion significantly, said George Edwards, author of “The Strategic President: Persuasion and Opportunity in Presidential Leadership.”

“This is almost like a Hail Mary, because they know that they’re substantially behind and the trajectory is negative for them,” Edwards said.

Unlike the financial crisis he inherited, the health-care debate is of Obama’s making and places a different burden on him, Edwards said.

“The best thing in presidential leadership is to recognize and exploit opportunities,” said Edwards. “The White House overestimated the nature of the opportunity.”

Stimulus Debate

Obama’s economic stimulus was debated as the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 18 percent from Nov. 4, 2008, to Feb. 13, when Congress approved the legislation. Unemployment had risen to more than 7 percent.

On the stimulus, Obama was able to say “that unless we do X right now, and X is pretty painful and pretty expensive, there is a serious danger in the next few weeks that the entire financial system will come crashing down,” said Bill Galston, a former official in President Bill Clinton’s administration, now a Brookings Institution scholar in Washington.

Emanuel remarked at the time that a crisis was a terrible thing to waste, and Obama pushed for health-care overhaul and energy legislation along with financial and auto bailouts.

He has framed health-care legislation as part of his long- term strategy to improve the economy. Republicans focused on the potential impact on patients. Throughout the summer and in town halls, Republican opponents said Obama wanted a government takeover of the system and creation of panels to decide end-of- life issues.

Democratic Critics

Within the Democratic Party, critics say Obama hasn’t pushed universal health care and others say the overhaul would balloon the federal deficit.

Obama “has said about this issue continually, if it was easy it would have been done by now,” said White House Communications Director Anita Dunn.

Obama’s difficulty on health care is compounded by broader economic worries. While 36 percent of Americans say the economy is getting better, only 10 percent see improvements in their households, according to a CBS poll at the end of August.

“People are not convinced the president’s strategy has helped their family during the economic downturn,” said Robert Blendon, a health-policy pollster at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. “That has forced them to be more skeptical towards the president’s health-care proposals.”

Less than a fifth of Americans say a health-care overhaul will help them personally, compared to 31 percent who think the government’s efforts will hurt, and 46 percent who say it will have no effect, the CBS poll showed.

‘Not a Crisis’

“There is a problem in our health-care system today, and we need reform; it’s not a crisis,” said Ed Gillespie, White House counselor to President George W. Bush. “It’s just people saying this is way too much, way too fast, we don’t know where this money is going and we don’t know where it’s coming from.”

The CBS survey of 1,097 Americans Aug. 27-31 found Obama’s approval fell 12 percentage points from a high of 68 percent in April to 56 percent; the error margin is 3 percentage points.

A survey of 4,518 likely voters by Zogby International Aug. 28-31 put Obama’s approval rating at a record-low 42 percent; it also showed he’s well liked.

“He’s got to get control of his presidency,” said John Zogby, president of Zogby International. “There’s a way out of this. Some of it is going to have to be his personality and his ability to frame messages, which is still good.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Julianna Goldman in Washington at jgoldman6@bloomberg.net; Nicholas Johnston in Washington at njohnston3@bloomberg.net
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Weren't we getting on Bush's back about using the excuse of terror to grab more power?  Weren't we on high alert to see if Bush pushed out any "October Surprise"?  And on that note weren't comparisons to Hitler and Bush an okay thing for the left to do but now it's not?  Wasn't speaking out and protesting a good thing to do against Bush?  Wasn't the call that to speak out against the government was unpatriotic like now to speak out against the government is racism now?

You know...I absolutely no longer see the difference between the two parties.  The only difference I see is the excuses each side tends to use to try and take more of my rights and power away from me and local governments.

I really wish we could contact the Founding Fathers and see what they think of this whole thing!

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We must remember that 9/11 wasn't the first step...it was just the most recent, big one.

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OKLAHOMA CITY — Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday.

"The real story is what's missing," said Jesse Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney who obtained the recordings through the federal Freedom of Information Act as part of an unofficial inquiry he is conducting into the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168 people and injured hundreds more.

Trentadue gave copies of the tapes to The Oklahoman newspaper, which posted them online and provided copies to The Associated Press.

The tapes turned over by the FBI came from security cameras various companies had mounted outside office buildings near the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. They are blank at points before 9:02 a.m., when a truck bomb carrying a 4,000 pound fertilizer-and-fuel-oil bomb detonated in front of the building, Trentadue said.

"Four cameras in four different locations going blank at basically the same time on the morning of April 19, 1995. There ain't no such thing as a coincidence," Trentadue said.

He said government officials claim the security cameras did not record the minutes before the bombing because "they had run out of tape" or "the tape was being replaced."

"The interesting thing is they spring back on after 9:02," he said. "The absence of footage from these crucial time intervals is evidence that there is something there that the FBI doesn't want anybody to see."

A spokesman for the FBI in Oklahoma City, Gary Johnson, declined to comment and referred inquiries about the tapes to FBI officials in Washington, who were not immediately available for comment Sunday.

The soundless recordings show people rushing from nearby buildings after the bomb went off. Some show people fleeing through corridors cluttered with debris. None show the actual explosion that ripped through the federal building.

FBI agents did not report finding any security tapes from the federal building itself.

The FBI in the past refused to release the security camera recordings, leading Trentadue and others to contend the government was hiding evidence that others were involved in the attack.

"It's taken a lawsuit and years to get the tapes," Trentadue said.

He received the latest batch of tapes over the summer in response to an April request for video from security cameras in 11 different locations. Nothing on the tapes was unexpected.

"The more important thing they show is what they don't show," Trentadue said. "These cameras would have shown the various roads and approaches to the Murrah Building."

Trentadue began looking into the bombing after his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, died at the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center in August 1995. Kenneth Trentadue was a convicted bank robber who was held at the federal prison after being picked up as a parole violator at his home in San Diego in June 1995.

He was never a bombing suspect, but Jesse Trentadue alleges guards mistook his brother for one and beat him to death during an interrogation. The official cause of Kenneth Trentadue's death is listed as suicide, but his body had 41 wounds and bruises that Jesse Trentadue believes could have come only from a beating.

A judge in 2001 awarded Kenneth Trentadue's family $1.1 million for extreme emotional distress in the government's handling of his death.

Jesse Trentadue said he has received about 30 security tapes, including some images that were used as evidence at bomber Timothy McVeigh's trial. McVeigh was convicted on federal murder and conspiracy charges and executed in 2001. Coconspirator Terry Nichols is serving life in prison on federal and state bombing convictions.

Trentadue said he is seeking more tapes along with a variety of bombing-related documents from the FBI and the CIA. An FOIA request by Trentadue for 26 CIA documents was rejected in June. A letter from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which reviewed the documents, said their release "could cause grave damage to our national security."

Trentadue said he gave the latest set of tapes to The Oklahoman because of their historical value. The newspaper has agreed to provide copies to the Oklahoma City National Memorial & Museum.

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FADE IN:

EXT. SPARTA

PERSIAN MESSENGER PETER MENSAH approaches SPARTA and demands to see the king, GERARD BUTLER.

PETER MENSAH
I am a messenger for Rodrigo Santoro. He wants a gift of water and earth from you as a sign that you fall under his rule.

GERARD BUTLER
The men and women of Sparta submit to no ruler.

PETER MENSAH
But they all submit to you. You're their king. And you submit to a bunch of inbred priests that talk to gods.

GERARD BUTLER
I shall kill you where you stand for pointing out how silly the premise is!

PETER MENSAH
Whoa, hold on. You're going to kill a messenger? For basically insulting your pride? We've already established we kill newborn babies if they don't look great - killing messengers because your dick is small won't exactly get the audience on our side.

GERARD BUTLER
Um, it's for FREEDOM.

PETER MENSAH
Oh, well if you're going to use the word "freedom" then that changes everything. Clearly you're the good guys now.

GERARD kills the PERSIANS, sentencing his people to fight a battle they cannot win. This is HEROIC, rather than JUVENILE.

EXT. HOT GATES

GERARD BUTLER, DAVID WENHAM, VINCENT REGAN, and 297 EXTRAS PISSED OFF THEY SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN THE GYM ONLY TO GET A NON-SPEAKING PART all watch as the invading army of CGI invaders renders itself closer and closer.

Suddenly, a MUTANT ANDREW TIERNAN appoaches.

MUTANT ANDREW TIERNAN
Gerard, let me fight by your side. All I ever get are sh!t parts on TV shows. I'm finally in a movie, please give me some screen time.

GERARD BUTLER
No. Even though you know about a secret passage that will allow the Persians to defeat us, I've decided once again that my pride is more important than my intelligence. f**k off.

MUTANT ANDREW TIERNAN
Geeze, what a dick. You're sure you're the good guys in this story?

GERARD BUTLER
Freedom!

DAVID WENHAM
Freedom, f**k yeah!

VINCENT REGAN
Freedom is good! And since we use the word freedom, it means we embrace it! Freedom freedom!

A METRIC f**kTON of PERSIANS attack, but they are killed. The scenes go in and out of slow-motion stylistically as pixelated blood decorates the fake landscape.

VINCENT REGAN
If video game makers are trying so hard to make their games "look like movies" why are we trying so hard to make our movie look like a video game?

GERARD BUTLER
We're going for the "brainless thick-headed macho asshole" demographic

DAVID WENHAM
Have you seen our costumes? I'm pretty sure we're going for the "closeted homosexual" demographic.

After some more violence, RODRIGO SANTORO decides to talk

RODRIGO SANTORO
Bow before me, your new god. I have divine powers, and I shall spare you if you submit to me.

GERARD BUTLER
We will never embrace your silly mysticism. We much prefer our own, with all the inbred mutant guys at the top of the mountain and the naked oracle chick.

RODRIGO SANTORO
You will pay for this! I will burn all Greek writings! Nobody will ever know you existed!

GERARD BUTLER
Greek? I'm Greek? Why the f**k have I been doing a Scottish accent for the entire movie?

RODRIGO SANTORO
For that matter, why are most of my Persian fighters caucasian?

Predictably, MUTANT ANDREW TIERNAN tells RODRIGO about the secret passage. Persians surround the Spartans. There is some more fighting as the audience is doused with TESTOSTERONE.

VINCENT REGAN
(dying)
Man, this whole plan was really, really stupid.

GERARD BUTLER
(dying)
Freedom!

VINCENT REGAN
Did I say stupid? I meant brave and inspirational! Freedom!

END
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We really should make a movie like this.


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When CNSNews.com asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday where the Constitution authorized Congress to order Americans to buy health insurance––a mandate included in both the House and Senate versions of the health care bill––Pelosi dismissed the question by saying: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

Pelosi's press secretary later responded to written follow-up questions from CNSNews.com by emailing CNSNews.com a press release on the “Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform,” that argues that Congress derives the authority to mandate that people purchase health insurance from its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce.

The exchange with Speaker Pelosi on Thursday occurred as follows:

CNSNews.com: “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?”

Pelosi: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

CNSNews.com: “Yes, yes I am.”

Pelosi then shook her head before taking a question from another reporter. Her press spokesman, Nadeam Elshami, then told CNSNews.com that asking the speaker of the House where the Constitution authorized Congress to mandated that individual Americans buy health insurance as not a "serious question."

“You can put this on the record,” said Elshami. “That is not a serious question. That is not a serious question.”

Currently, each of the five health care overhaul proposals being considered in Congress would command every American adult to buy health insurance. Any person defying this mandate would be required to pay a penalty to the Internal Revenue Service.

In 1994, when the health care reform plan then being advanced by President Clinton called for mandating that all Americans buy health insurance, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office studed the issue and concluded:

“The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.”

Later on Thursday, CNSNews.com followed up on the question, e-mailing written queries for the speaker to her Spokesman Elshami.

“Where specifically does the Constitution authorize Congress to force Americans to purchase a particular good or service such as health insurance?” CNSNews.com asked the speaker's office.

“If it is the Speaker’s belief that there is a provision in the Constitution that does give Congress this power, does she believe the Constitution in any way limits the goods and services Congress can force an individual to purchase?" CNSNews.com asked. "If so, what is that limit?”

Elshami responded by sending CNSNews.com a Sept. 16 press release from the Speaker’s office entitled, “Health Insurance Reform, Daily Mythbuster: ‘Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform.’” The press release states that Congress has “broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production.”

The release further states: “On the shared responsibility requirement in the House health insurance reform bill, which operates like auto insurance in most states, individuals must either purchase coverage (and non-exempt employers must purchase coverage for their workers)—or pay a modest penalty for not doing so. The bill uses the tax code to provide a strong incentive for Americans to have insurance coverage and not pass their emergency health costs onto other Americans—but it allows them a way to pay their way out of that obligation. There is no constitutional problem with these provisions.”


You know, I think Pelosi is on a campaign to become the most hated person in America.  She's doing pretty well on that track if you ask me...


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A British nuclear expert has fallen to his death from the 17th floor of the United Nations offices in Vienna.

The 47-year-old man died after falling more than 120ft to the bottom of a stairwell. He has not been named.

He worked for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, an international agency charged with uncovering illicit nuclear tests.

A UN spokesman in the Austrian capital said there were no "suspicious circumstances" surrounding the man's death.

Police said no other person was believed to have been involved. No suicide note has been found.

Four months ago another UN worker also believed to be British fell from a similar height in the same building, it has been reported.

The latest incident happened on Tuesday as the United States, France, Russia and Iran held talks nearby about Tehran's nuclear programme.



Wow, that doesn't sound fishy at all.  Remind me not to accept any offers to "chat" at the UN!


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Ok this isn't Space Mutiny with 300 railing kills.  The stuff govts are able to get away with.

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Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. John was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and John was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with John "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get John out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically," he said.


"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their health care, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when John was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than John, it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.


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The John Batchelor Show on WBAP just reported that rumors from North Korea that Kim Jong-il is dead. Still waiting to hear it from mainstream media....


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http://www.breitbart.tv/howard-dean-declares-debate-between-capitalism-and-socia...

For all those who don't believe that there are people who are in power that are pushing for socialism and have been for the past 30 years...here is Howard Dean saying that it's a good thing, that it's human nature, that Obama is pushing it, and it's part of the left's Permanent Plan...here it is folks...turn off the TV and pay attention.

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regarding bob's post:

North Korea adjusted their currency.

The revaluation replaces 1,000 won notes with 10 won notes, but strictly limits the amount of old currency that can be exchanged, news reports said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/01/AR2009120101841_...


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A blogger has released audio of Sprint's Electronic Surveillance Manager describing the carrier's cooperation with law enforcement. Among the revelations are that Sprint has so far filled over 8 million requests from LEOs for customer GPS data.


Christopher Soghoian, a graduate student at Indiana University's School of Informatics and Computing, has made public an audio recording of Sprint/Nextel's Electronic Surveillance Manager describing how his company has provided GPS location data about its wireless customers to law enforcement over 8 million times. That's potentially millions of Sprint/Nextel customers who not only were probably unaware that their wireless provider even had an Electronic Surveillance Department, but who certainly did not know that law enforcement offers could log into a special Sprint Web portal and, without ever having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge, gain access to geolocation logs detailing where they've been and where they are.

Through a mix of documents unearthed by Freedom of Information Act requests and the aforementioned recording, Soghoian describes how "the government routinely obtains customer records from ISPs detailing the telephone numbers dialed, text messages, emails and instant messages sent, web pages browsed, the queries submitted to search engines, and geolocation data, detailing exactly where an individual was located at a particular date and time."

The fact that federal, state, and local law enforcement can obtain communications "metadata"—URLs of sites visited, e-mail message headers, numbers dialed, GPS locations, etc.—without any real oversight or reporting requirements should be shocking, but it isn't. The courts ruled in 2005 that law enforcement doesn't need to show probable cause to obtain your physical location via the cell phone grid. All of the aforementioned metadata can be accessed with an easy-to-obtain pen register/trap & trace order. But given the volume of requests, it's hard to imagine that the courts are involved in all of these.

Soghoian's lengthy post makes at least two important points, the first of which is that there are no reliable statistics on the real volume and scope of government surveillance because such numbers are either not published (sometimes in violation of the legally mandated reporting requirements) or they contain huge gaps. The second point is that the lack of reporting makes it difficult to determine just how involved the courts actually are in all of this, in terms of whether these requests are all backed by subpoenas.

Underlying both of these issues is the fact that Sprint has made it so easy for law enforcement to gain access to customer data on a 24/7 basis through the use of its Web portal and large compliance department. Regarding the latter, here's another quote from Paul Taylor, the aforementioned Sprint/Nextel Electronic Surveillance Manager:

"In the electronic surveillance group at Sprint, I have 3 supervisors. 30 ES techs, and 15 contractors. On the subpoena compliance side, which is anything historical, stored content, stored records, is about 35 employees, maybe 4-5 supervisors, and 30 contractors. There's like 110 all together."

All of those people are there solely to serve up customer data to law enforcement, and other comments by Taylor indicate that his staff will probably grow. Sprint only recently made the GPS data available through the Web portal, and that has caused the number of requests to go through the roof. The company apparently plans on expanding the menu of surveillance options that are accessible via the Web. Taylor again:

"My major concern is the volume of requests. We have a lot of things that are automated but that's just scratching the surface. One of the things, like with our GPS tool. We turned it on the web interface for law enforcement about one year ago last month, and we just passed 8 million requests. So there is no way on earth my team could have handled 8 million requests from law enforcement, just for GPS alone. So the tool has just really caught on fire with law enforcement. They also love that it is extremely inexpensive to operate and easy, so, just [because of] the sheer volume of requests they anticipate us automating other features, and I just don't know how we'll handle the millions and millions of requests that are going to come in."



Now that's scary!

I've stuck with Centennial because I figured they were too small to pull off something this stupid, but they just got snapped up by AT&T so I guess I'm out of luck.


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http://cryptome.org/

How will the telecom/website give your data over to law enforcement?  Are they really spying on you?

The website above is one man's collection of documentation from the likes of Yahoo!, AT&T, Sprint, etc.

Check out how you are tracked!

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Here's your conspiracy theory for the day...

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December 26, 2009, 2:22PM


A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday.

Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning.

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.



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I don't know if you read or not but because of repeated eyewitness accounts, including a Detroit lawyer, US Customs and Boarder Protection has contradicted the FBI and confirmed that a 2nd man was taken into custody.

I find it amazing no one calls people out on this BS way to gain more control over us.  "Oh we have failed completely here.  We need more money and more of your rights to protect you."

Heck we wrote the TSA a blank check after 9/11 and yet a complete system failure is still in place.  How hard is it to screen people when you are have the infrastructure in place?!  They needed the people so they hired a crap ton of them.  Yet very little training goes into them and screening the TSA is almost unheard of, heck NY allowed illegal immigrants to work for them.

I don't know about your world...but I'm almost tempted not to step outside my front door.

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Is this the reaction concealed carry should bring from the police? Oleg Volk, A Human RightIt's open season on gun carriers.

A case out of the First Circuit has some painful lessons for gun carriers in Georgia.  A United States Circuit Court of Appeals last week upheld the constitutionality of pointing a gun at any citizen daring to carry, lawfully, a concealed weapon in public.

The First Circuit Court of Appeals is the Court just below the United States Supreme Court in the New England states.  The case stems from a lawyer who sued a police officer after he was detained for lawfully carrying a concealed weapon while in possession of a license to carry concealed.  According to the case opinion, the lawyer, Greg Schubert, had a pistol concealed under his suit coat, and Mr. Schubert was walking in what the court described as a "high crime area."  At some point a police officer, J.B. Stern, who lived up to his last name, caught a glimpse of the attorney's pistol, and he leapt out of his patrol car "in a dynamic and explosive manner" with his gun drawn, pointing it at the attorney's face.

Officer Stern "executed a pat-frisk," and Mr. Schubert produced his license to carry a concealed weapon.  He was disarmed and ordered to stand in front of the patrol car in the hot sun.  At some point, the officer locked him in the back seat of the police car and delivered a lecture.  Officer Stern "partially Mirandized Schubert, mentioned the possibility of a criminal charge, and told Schubert that he (Stern) was the only person allowed to carry a weapon on his beat." 

For most people, this would be enough to conclude that they were being harassed for the exercise of a constitutional right, but the officer went further, seizing the attorney's pistol and leaving with it.  Officer Stern reasoned that because he could not confirm the "facially valid" license to carry, he would not permit the attorney to carry. Officer Stern drove away with the license and the firearm, leaving the attorney unarmed, dressed in a suit, and alone in what the officer himself argued was a high crime area.

The attorney sued in federal court, but the District Court threw out his suit, ruling that Officer Stern's behavior is the proper way to treat people who lawfully carry concealed pistols.  Mr. Schubert appealed, and the First Circuit upheld the District Court's ruling.  The court held that the stop was lawful and that Officer Stern "was permitted to take actions to ensure his own safety."

The court further held that the officer was entitled to confirm the validity of a "facially valid" license to carry a concealed weapon.  The problem for Officer Stern was that there is no way to do so in Massachusetts, where this incident occurred.  As a result, the court held that Officer Stern "sensibly opted to terminate the stop and release Schubert, but retain the weapon." 

Georgia is not in the First Circuit, but this case holds some harsh lessons for Georgians who exercise their right to bear arms.  Recall that in the MARTA case here in Georgia, the court held that the officer was entitled to take measures to protect himself, including disarming the person carrying, and entitled to investigate further for a half hour even after Mr. Raissi produced a Georgia firearms license.  Although the officers in that case did not actually point a gun at Mr. Raissi's face, as Officer Stern did to attorney Schubert, it is a logical conclusion that the court would have upheld the constitutionality of them doing so.  The vast majority of the cases MARTA cited in its briefs to the federal court included an officer pointing a gun at the person stopped.  In addition, carrying a concealed weapon onto the MARTA system is a felony, and no court is going to hold that an officer violated any constitutional right by pointing a gun at an armed felon.

Furthermore, it must be recalled that Georgia, like Massachussetts and the vast majority of states, has no system to confirm the validity of a Georgia firearms license.   The similarities between the MARTA federal opinion and the First Circuit opinion are startling, and the implications for Georgia are clear.

This First Circuit case is a logical extension of the MARTA case here in Georgia, and it shows what armed Georgians can expect if the General Assembly does not take action soon to correct the presumption of criminality that federal judge Thomas Thrash attached to the exercise of the right to bear arms.

Welcome to the new "right" to bear arms.


I don't get it?  When you have a licence and the officer is clearly violating your consitutional rights and state law allowing the use of concealed carry...the officer can be a dill hole?

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Call it what you will...I'll call it slavery!

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At least these guys will get the time off eventually.  Sometimes, government employees don't get paid at all, but still have to come to work.  Remember back around 1998 or so when the government "shut down" for a couple weeks because Congress couldn't pass a budget?  Most employees still had to report to work, but their paychecks didn't show up until after the budget was passed.


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I wonder if anyone was fired for not reporting they could sue for wrongful termination. 

When people don't pay me, I assume they do not want me to work
Threatening to terminate is a threat to keep working for fear of punishment which is called slavery
Therefore, when they don't pay me but fire me for not supporting slavery that is wrongful termination.

I just don't know how they get away with it.  What if minors were working at these places?  They would be hit up by another govt. body and fined severely.

If I were these people...I'd come into work...but do absolutely nothing...although that might be hard to show being it is the DMV.

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Yeah, my productivity would borderline on zero.

I have a feeling the state has employed their veritable army of lawyers to ensure they aren't doing anything tacitly illegal, even if it is highly immoral.  I don't understand what the DMV is trying to do anyway.  By forcing their employees to furlough every Friday, they create a need for them to work overtime on Saturday.  How does that make any sense?


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Please someone tell me that this is a joke, not real, made up...and Mussolini isn't back from the dead?!

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New rules to be introduced by government decree will require people who upload videos onto the Internet to obtain authorization from the Communications Ministry similar to that required by television broadcasters, drastically reducing freedom to communicate over the Web, opposition lawmakers have warned.

The decree is ostensibly an enactment of a European Union (EU) directive on product placement and is due to go into effect at the end of January after being subjected to a nonbinding appraisal by parliament.

On Thursday opposition lawmakers held a press conference in parliament to denounce the new rules — which require government authorization for the uploading of videos, give individuals who claim to have been defamed a right of reply and prevent the replay of copyright material — as a threat to freedom of expression.

“The decree subjects the transmission of images on the Web to rules typical of television and requires prior ministerial authorization, with an incredible limitation on the way the Internet currently functions,” opposition Democratic Party lawmaker Paolo Gentiloni told the press conference.

Article 4 of the decree specifies that the dissemination over the Internet “of moving pictures, whether or not accompanied by sound,” requires ministerial authorization. Critics say it will therefore apply to the Web sites of newspapers, to IPTV and to mobile TV, obliging them to take on the same status as television broadcasters.

“Italy joins the club of the censors, together with China, Iran and North Korea,” said Gentiloni’s party colleague Vincenzo Vita.

The decree was also condemned by Articolo 21, an organization dedicated to the defense of freedom of speech as enshrined in article 21 of the Italian constitution. The group said the measures resembled an earlier government attempt to crack down on bloggers by imposing on them the same obligations and responsibilities as newspapers.

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The group launched an appeal Friday entitled “Hands Off the Net,” saying the restrictive measures would mark “the end of freedom of expression on the Web.” The restrictions would prevent the recounting of the life of the Italians in moving pictures on the Internet, it said.

The decree was also criticized by Nicola D’Angelo, a commissioner in the Communications Authority, which would be likely to play a role in policing copyright violations under the new rules. The decree ran contrary to the spirit of the EU directive by extending the rules of television to online video material, D’Angelo said in a radio interview.

He also expressed concern at the requirement for government authorization for the uploading of videos to Internet. “Italy will be the only Western country in which it is necessary to have prior government permission to operate this kind of service,” he said. “This aspect reveals a democratic risk, regardless of who happens to be in power.”

Other critics described the decree as an expression of the conflict of interests of Silvio Berlusconi, who exercises political control over the state broadcaster RAI in his role as prime minister and is also the owner of Italy’s largest private broadcaster, Mediaset.

They said the new copyright regulations would prevent Internet users from sharing snippets of popular TV shows or goals from the Italian soccer league, currently viewed online by millions of people.

Mediaset has successfully sued YouTube to obtain the removal of its copyright material, in particular video from the reality show “Big Brother,” from the online video-sharing platform. A judge in a Rome civil court ordered the removal of the material last month, and the new decree is seen as providing further protection for Mediaset’s online commercial interests.

Alessandro Gilioli, who writes a blog on the Web site of the weekly magazine L’Espresso, said the decree was intended to squelch future competition for Mediaset, which was planning to move into IPTV and therefore had an interest in reducing the number of independent videos circulating on the Web.

“It’s the Berlusconi method: Kill your potential enemies while they are small. That’s why anyone doing Web TV — even from their attic at home — must get ministerial approval and fulfill a host of other bureaucratic obligations,” Gilioli wrote. He said the government was also keen to restrict the uncontrollable circulation of information over the Internet to preserve its monopoly over television news.

Paolo Romani, the deputy minister responsible for drafting the decree, insisted the text simply adopted the recommendations of the EU directive but said the government was prepared to discuss modifications. The decree did not intend to restrict freedom of information “or the possibility of expressing one’s ideas and opinions through blogs and social networks,” Romani told the ANSA news agency.


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So Italy is essentially committing economic suicide?  What a fascist cesspit.


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Thinking about file-sharing? Don't. You'll get fined, and crime doesn't pay (unless you rob banks and/or armored cars, then it pays very well). Take it from Jammie Thomas, who was fined $2 million for downloading 24 songs, or anyone else who tried to fight the RIAA.

Instead, try another crime, because plenty of them draw far lighter penalties than downloading Jason Mraz's latest. Thanks to the Mechanics blog at Gapers Block, here are seven crimes that will get you smaller fines than file-sharing:

1. Child abduction: the fine is only like $25000.

2. Stealing the actual CD: the fine is $2,500

3. Rob your neighbor: the fine is $375,000

4. Burn a house down: The fine is just over $375,000

5. Stalk someone: The fine is $175,000

6. Start a dogfighting ring: the fine is $50,000

7. Murder someone: The maximum penalty is only $25,000 and 15 years in jail, and depending on your yearly salary, would probably be far slighter a penalty that $2 million.

Seriously, murdering someone will result in a lighter overall penalty than downloading a bunch of songs and getting caught. Granted, you don't get shivved in the showers at home, but still. [via Daily Swarm] 


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With 80% of the UAW members upset with their union, this past Sunday, the UAW held a membership meeting that turned into a shouting match between rank-and-file members and their union leadership.

At one point, one UAW leader (identified as Javier Contreras) yelled at the crowd, telling them to “…Shut the f*ck up, you motherf*ckers!…”

Things got so bad, that UAW leaders had to call the police to restore order.


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Yes, this is a real news story.  No, it is not from The Onion.  Yes, that is the constitution you hear burning.

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WASHINGTON (AP) –– The Obama administration is considering several steps that would review the legality of the controversial Bowl Championship Series, the Justice Department said in a letter Friday to a senator who had asked for an antitrust review.

In the letter to Sen. Orrin Hatch, obtained by The Associated Press, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that the Justice Department is reviewing Hatch's request and other materials to determine whether to open an investigation into whether the BCS violates antitrust laws.

"Importantly, and in addition, the administration also is exploring other options that might be available to address concerns with the college football postseason," Weich wrote, including asking the Federal Trade Commission to review the legality of the BCS under consumer protection laws.

Several lawmakers and many critics want the BCS to switch to a playoff system, rather than the ratings system it uses to determine the teams that play in the championship game.

"The administration shares your belief that the current lack of a college football national championship playoff with respect to the highest division of college football ... raises important questions affecting millions of fans, colleges and universities, players and other interested parties," Weich wrote.

Weich made note of the fact that President Barack Obama, before he was sworn in, had stated his preference for a playoff system. In 2008, Obama said he was going to "to throw my weight around a little bit" to nudge college football toward a playoff system, a point that Hatch stressed when he urged Obama last fall to ask the department to investigate the BCS.

Weich said that other options include encouraging the NCAA to take control of the college football postseason; asking a governmental or non-governmental commission to review the costs, benefits and feasibility of a playoff system; and legislative efforts aimed at prompting a switch to a playoff system.

Weich noted that several undefeated teams have not had a chance to play for the national championship, including TCU and Boise State this year and Utah last year.

"This seemingly discriminatory action with regard to revenues and access have raised questions regarding whether the BCS potentially runs afoul of the nation's antitrust laws," he wrote.

Hatch, a Utah Republican, was steamed that his home state team was deprived of getting a chance to play for the title last year.

"I'm encouraged by the administration's response," he said in a statement. "I continue to believe there are antitrust issues the administration should explore, but I'm heartened by its willingness to consider alternative approaches to confront the tremendous inequities in the BCS that favor one set of schools over others. The current system runs counter to basic fairness that every family tries to instill in their children from the day they are born."

Under the BCS, the champions of six conference have automatic bids to play in top-tier bowl games, while the other conferences don't. Those six conferences also receive more money than the other conferences, although the BCS announced this week that the ones that don't have automatic bids will receive a record $24 million from this year's bowl games.

Bill Hancock, executive director of the BCS, said that officials there would need more time to review the letter before commenting on it. He did say, "We're confident that the BCS structure complies with the laws of the country."

"The consensus of the schools is to go with the BCS," Hancock added. "We feel strongly the people in higher education are the people best equipped to manage college football."


So that's where we're at now, huh?

The President of the United Frickin' States is spending his time on football?

I can't...

Why the...

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Actually...if he had the balls to punch a baby during the half time show...I might have a little respect for him.

*Obama punches baby*

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Considering how much money is spent on college football in our nation each year, and how many people are employed through that agency, I don't see a problem with the government doing some work with the NCAA to make it better, and almost certainly more profitable.

I guess I fail to see how this is any different than the government keeping an eye on banks, and car manufacturers......

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Guess what the Department of Education is buying?

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee...

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I got another BoE stupidity for ya!

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The Goldwater Institute Watchdog Report is a periodic publication intended to identify government corruption and waste and to hold politicians and public agencies accountable to taxpayers.

A handful of taxpayers in a small community north of Wickenburg, Arizona are being targeted by the local school district in a lawsuit that asks a judge to declare they have no right to request public records, sue the district, or complain to outside agencies.

The Congress Elementary School District claims that past efforts by these residents to obtain documents such as minutes of board meetings and spending reports amount to harassment that should not have to be tolerated.

Jean WarrenBut Jean Warren, one of the four defendants named in the lawsuit filed January 28, 2010, said the complaint is an illegal attempt to silence citizens who have questioned the district’s policies and spending practices.

“The whole thing is based on trying to shut us down so that nobody has any rights,” Warren said. “Just because you live in a small area does not mean you don’t have rights. Everything I believe about the Constitution and what it means to be a citizen of the USA is being shot down.”

The school district has a history of violating state laws mandating government transparency, according to investigations dating to 2002 done by the Arizona attorney general and state ombudsman. In 2002 and again in 2007, the district was found to be in violation of the state’s open meeting law by the Attorney General’s Office. In June 2009, the state ombudsman’s office admonished the district for its slow response to public records requests.

Liz Hill, the assistant state ombudsman for public access, told the Goldwater Institute she is not aware of any other instance in which a government agency has filed a court action seeking to block citizens from even requesting public records that should otherwise be available. It is something that frustrated government officials have talked about, but to her knowledge none has ever followed through, said Hill, who did not want to comment on whether the district’s lawsuit is justified.

“There’s a lot of talk about entities going and getting injunctions or other kinds of protective orders not to have to respond to certain individuals or certain requests,” Hill said. “But I haven’t actually been aware of any specific case, just more the theory of it. This is the first time I’ve actually seen someone go and attempt to do it.”

Using courts to turn away requests

The district’s lawsuit acknowledges the documents that have been requested are not privileged or confidential, which means they are public records that normally should be disclosed. For the most part, the records sought were agendas and minutes of governing board meetings, spending reports, and records related to the defendants’ own children.

However, the district’s lawyer, Franklin Hoover, argues the repeated public records demands and requests for investigation filed with outside agencies are a costly nuisance and the district should not be forced to respond.

“Defendants have abused both the public records request and the administrative complaint system in order to harass the Plaintiff,” Hoover wrote in court motions. “Defendants’ requests and complaints were unduly burdensome due to the sheer volume of the records requiring preparation by the Plaintiff in response.”

The lawsuit asks a Yavapai County Superior Court judge to block Warren, Cyndi Regis, Barbara Rejon and Jennifer Hoge from filing any more public records requests. The district also wants a ruling that it does not have to comply with previous requests for public records, and an order restricting the right of Warren and others to file a lawsuit or complain to any outside agency, including the ombudsman and the attorney general.

All of the defendants are being represented by the Goldwater Institute Scharf-Norton Center for Constitutional Litigation, which learned of the complaint shortly after it was filed.

Carrie Ann Sitren, a Goldwater Institute attorney, said the lawsuit is a clear attempt to silence people in the community who have been critical of the board’s actions, and have made good-faith attempts to ensure the district is spending taxpayer money wisely. The district’s actions go beyond violating government transparency laws; they amount to an affront on the First Amendment rights of citizens to free speech and to petition their government, Sitren said.

“In this case, the citizens in this community were exercising their rights,” Sitren said. “The board’s response was to try to threaten them into shutting up, and that is not what our system of government is supposed to be allowed to do.

“There is a good-faith intent by each of these people and in all of their actions to make the school better, to make it more efficient and to make the education of their children better. They never asked for a single document they didn’t have good reason to ask for. Under the law you don’t even need a good reason. These people had great reasons every time.”

Beyond defending the claim, Sitren said she will do whatever is necessary to ensure the district follows the state's public records law in the future.

“They’re obviously not following the law on their own,” she said.

School district officials refused to comment for this story, citing the Goldwater Institute’s decision to represent the defendants.

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Warren said she resents the suggestion that she is trying to harm the elementary school or harass district officials. She was an early supporter of building an elementary school in Congress. Before the school was built in 2001, students were bused to nearby Wickenburg.

Warren said she always has felt obliged to monitor how the district spends its money. Her involvement in the district’s business became more personal in September 2001, when her daughter, Jennifer Hoge, moved to the district from Glendale.

Hoge became dissatisfied with her son’s education plan by December 2002 and filed a complaint against the district that was later sustained by the Arizona Department of Education. Though she is named as a defendant in the lawsuit, Hoge has not lived in the district or filed any requests for documents in more than six years. The only documents Hoge requested from the district were records related to her son, which she is entitled to see under federal and state laws.

Warren said the run-in with the school superintendent over her grandson’s education plan made her skeptical of how the district was spending taxpayer money. In 2002, she began requesting copies of board minutes and agendas dating back to 2000, according to the lawsuit. By the district’s own reckoning, Warren filed four public records requests between June 21, 2002, and February 2003. In every case, the documents sought dealt with agendas and minutes, the most basic public records which all government agencies are required by law to make available.

The district was not properly posting governing board agendas or making minutes available to the public, as required by the state’s open meetings law, Warren said. That assertion was supported by an investigation conducted by the state Attorney General’s Office in 2002 that was triggered in part by complaints Warren filed.

In a letter of concern issued Dec. 30, 2002, assistant attorney general Lisa Neuville says school officials broke the law by posting agendas that were vague and hard to find, by illegally using closed-door executive sessions to discuss public business, and by scheduling special meetings in an apparent attempt to make attendance inconvenient to the public.

The board also failed to keep appropriate meeting minutes, even on critical issues such as budgets and teacher hiring, the letter concluded.

Challenging the dress code

Warren backed off of her battles with the district in mid-2003, after her grandson left the school. But controversy flared again in 2007, and so did new demands for public records from Warren and other residents.

Barbara RejonSchool officials were looking to impose a dress code, which many parents in the district opposed. Among them was Barbara Rejon, who at the time had a third-grade daughter attending the school.

Rejon was appointed to a committee to study the issue in March 2007. She was told that a survey of parents showed overwhelming support, but was skeptical of the results. Rejon filed a public records request to see the original survey cards returned to the district.

“I’ve never to this day been allowed to see them,” Rejon said.

The district board adopted the uniform dress code in June 2007.

Other records that Rejon sought had to do with her adopted daughter. Rejon learned in late 2007 that her daughter was seeing a counselor at school. When school officials refused to turn over information about those sessions, Rejon requested documents seeking the name of the counselor so she could contact him.

Rejon’s original request was dated Nov. 9, 2007. It took her 16 months and two subsequent written requests before she was notified by the district who the counselor was and how he could be contacted.

Cyndi Regis fought a similar battle with the school over records related to her son. And like Rejon, Regis’ troubles began when she voiced opposition to the policy requiring school uniforms.

During a school board meeting on August 8, 2007, Regis tried to ask the board to reconsider the policy. But after she got out a single sentence, she was cut off by board President Jim Thompson, who refused to allow her to continue speaking, Regis said. Her account was confirmed in a subsequent investigation by the Attorney General’s Office.

Regis and other parents complained to the attorney general about the board’s tactics in late 2007. Aside from cutting Regis off, the board improperly held about 45 minutes of policy discussions with a group of parents after its regular September 2007 meeting ended, according to the complaints.

State investigators concluded the board did not violate the open meetings law by refusing to allow Regis to speak, since the law does allow the government body to impose restrictions or not allow public comments at all.

But assistant attorney general Robert Sorce cautioned in a Dec. 12, 2007, letter to Thompson that Regis’ First Amendment speech rights may have been violated, “an issue beyond the scope of our investigation.”

As for the 45 minutes of discussion after the September board meeting ended, Sorce concluded that was a violation of the open meeting law.

Sorce noted in his letter to the board that the district had been found in violation of the open meeting law in 2002.

“The Board should have had a heightened awareness of its obligation to comply with the Open Meeting Law and avoided engaging in conduct that could be construed as an Open Meeting Law violation,” he wrote.

To settle the complaints, the district entered into a consent agreement with the Attorney General’s Office, agreeing to take additional training on the law and to hold a community discussion about the violation at its next regularly scheduled meeting.

Despite being admonished by the Attorney General’s Office twice in a five-year period, the district’s response to public records requests did not improve, according to Warren and her co-defendants.

Records remain hidden

For Regis and Rejon, most of the requests filed with the district have been for their children’s records, which must be disclosed to parents under provisions separate from the public records law. Both said in an interview with the Goldwater Institute they made several requests for the same information because the district repeatedly refused to release records, claimed that the requests were not specific enough, or turned over incomplete files.

Both parents have also tried to get budget information and documents related to school performance with little success.

Cyndi Regis“I already have lost my parental rights at this school,” Regis said. “I have to put him in a uniform that I totally disagree with. Now they are telling me I can’t say anything about the budget. I can’t even go in and request my son’s records. I can’t get into that school. I don’t know what they are doing to him.”

Warren has intensified her efforts to track spending at the school, and makes no apologies about it. Two items of particular interest have been the air conditioning units and computers.

The 24 air conditioning units were new when the school was built in 2001. By early 2009, the district had already implemented a program to replace them, according to board minutes.

Warren maintains the units were not installed properly, and that they should last much longer than eight years. Dean Gray, executive director of the Arizona School Facilities Board, which pays to construct new schools, said air conditioning units should last at least 12 to 15 years.

As to the computers, Warren said that in 2008, the district started selling computers it had purchased only a year before for about 10 percent of the original purchase price.

In November 2008, Warren asked for district records on both the air conditioning units and computers. Throughout 2009, she filed multiple requests seeking similar records. The most recent request was filed January 13, about two weeks before the lawsuit was filed.

For more than a year, the response from district officials was that the records were not available or did not exist.

In about April 2009, Warren, Regis and Rejon filed complaints with the state ombudsman’s office, listing their long-simmering complaints and alleging the district was breaking the state’s public records law.

State Ombudsman Patrick Shannahan concluded in a letter dated June 29, 2009 that the district ultimately did produce requested documents. But he criticized school officials for their slow and incomplete responses. Shannahan noted it took a year and four months for Rejon to get counseling records maintained on her own child. He also noted it took the district a year to produce the records Regis requested about her son in 2008.

Documents requested by Warren in November 2008 were ultimately produced by the district six months after school officials claimed no such records existed, Shannahan said in his letter.

“We are concerned that the District staff does not fully understand its responsibilities and obligations under Arizona’s Public Records Law,” Shannahan wrote in his letter of concern, which also recommended district administrators take a training class on public records.

Parents take action

Though Warren said her battle to get public records from the district is still ongoing, she and others have had some success. Last year, the district began posting agendas and meeting minutes online, something Liz Hill of the ombudsman’s office said she has long encouraged.

As for the lawsuit filed by the district, Warren, Regis and Rejon said they would have tried to fight the legal battle on their own if the Goldwater Institute had not taken the case.

All three said they are reluctant to go onto school property because they fear district officials might try to have them arrested for trespassing.

“Just because you live in a small area does not mean you don’t have rights,” Warren said. “I live in a small community. I’m paying taxes and I have no rights? I don’t think that’s right. And I think that parents with children in that school should have even more rights than I do. They should be able to go in there, see their children and make sure their children are okay.”

Mark Flatten is an investigative reporter for the Goldwater Institute.

The Goldwater Institute is an independent government watchdog supported by people who are committed to expanding free enterprise and liberty.


I think these people forgot that they are paid by the people they are suing.  Sorry educators...YOU SUCK!

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Employees Urged Not To Wear Perfume, Deodorants, Lotion


DETROIT –– Change is in the air for Detroit city workers.

City employees will be urged not to wear perfume, cologne or aftershave as a result of a settlement in a federal lawsuit.

Officials plan to place warning placards in three city buildings. The signs will warn workers to avoid "wearing scented products, including ... colognes, aftershave lotions, perfumes, deodorants, body/face lotions ... (and) the use of scented candles, perfume samples from magazines, spray or solid air fresheners."

The employee handbook and Americans with Disabilities Act training also will bear warnings.

The Detroit News reports the move stems from a $100,000 settlement in a federal lawsuit filed in 2008 by a city employee who said a colleague's perfume made it challenging for her to do her job.


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We can sue because people make our work challenging?!  Well heck...can I sue my old boss for constantly changing what he wanted me to focus on and the rules behind everything?!

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What America thinks of the healthcare bill:

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...and now, one of the most powerful congressional speeches I've heard in years.




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Reply #1312 - Mar 22nd, 2010 at 9:20pm
 
Ron Paul hasn't been hiding...he's been speaking out about this thing a lot...however, no one wants to hear from someone in Washington who isn't trying to blame the other side...I swear...political coverage has dissolved into celebrity trash and gossip. 

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Reply #1313 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 8:22pm
 
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A boy of five was left stranded in a tree at school because of a bizarre health and safety policy - which banned teachers from helping him down.

The mischievous pupil climbed the 20ft tree at the end of morning break and refused to come down.

But instead of helping him, staff followed guidelines and retreated inside the school building to ‘observe from a distance’ so the child would not get ‘distracted and fall’.

The boy was only rescued after 45 minutes in the tree when passer-by Kim Barrett, 38, noticed the child and helped him down herself.

But instead of being thanked for her actions by the head teacher of the Manor School in Melksham, Wiltshire, she was reported to the police for trespassing.

The incident occurred on the morning of March 1 as Miss Barrett was walking home past the side entrance of 213-pupil The Manor Church of England Primary School.

She claims that she walked around to the front of the school, onto the playing field and then helped the schoolboy down before taking him back to his class.

But the school alleges that she ‘approached the school in an inappropriate way’ and asked her to leave the premises after she got into a row with staff over the boy's welfare.

Later that evening a letter from head teacher Beverley Martin was posted through Miss Barrett’s door, explaining that the school had contacted police about the incident.

The next morning she was visited by a PCSO who told her she had committed a trespassing offence by helping the young schoolboy down from the tree.

Miss Barrett, a part-time cleaner, said: ‘I felt really angry because I felt I had saved the school and this boy from something that could have been far worse, and that instead of thanking me I was under investigation.

‘It was ridiculous. He was all on his own, there was no one near him and you couldn't see the school buildings from where he was.

‘Not only was he at least 6ft off the ground, but someone taller than me could easily have reached in from the pavement and plucked him off the branch.

"The school say he was being watched but that's impossible because there is no line of sight from the school building to the tree.


There are days when I have to wonder how the UK even continues functioning?


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Reply #1314 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 9:24pm
 
And if one of those teachers would have tried to help the kid down and he fell you would have sued due to them not being child-foliage removal specialists.  Either way they talked to a child and are pedos!


I say good job for following the rules the cunts pass.  You don't like it?  Change the law/rule!
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Reply #1315 - Mar 26th, 2010 at 2:01am
 
Sometimes I just want wave my arms in front of me, swipe my hands together, shout "I'm done, I'm out, See you later!" and get on a spaceship and make a colony on a more sensible planet.
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Reply #1316 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 12:34am
 
Be careful of mindworms!

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Reply #1317 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 5:01pm
 
Screw mind worms.  It's the sand worms you've got to worry about!

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Ya but if you walk without rhythm you won't attract the worms
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Yeah, but you can't ride a mind worm.
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Reply #1320 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 5:49pm
 
http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display_mobile.php?id=486688

You know it's bad when even Congressmen drop the charade of caring about the Constitution...by admitting it.

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Reply #1321 - Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:08pm
 
That's just pathetic.  He swore to uphold the constitution when he took his oath of office.  If he isn't willing to do that, he should be fired for cause.


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Reply #1322 - Apr 24th, 2010 at 10:37pm
 
I'm sure this will get everyone's blood boiling to a feverish pitch.  I have never considered myself a tin-foiler, but I have a hard time figuring out what legitimate purpose this "ready reserve" military unit might serve.





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Reply #1323 - Apr 25th, 2010 at 12:59am
 
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Reply #1324 - Apr 26th, 2010 at 5:15am
 
Verrrrrrry Interesting!

http://newworldorderreport.com/Default.aspx?tabid=266&ID=3317

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Fox News hit piece against 9/11 truth and Jesse Ventura inadvertently reveals a shocking truth; WTC leaseholder was "on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building"

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A Fox News hit piece against Jesse Ventura and the 9/11 truth movement written by former Washington D.C. prosecutor Jeffrey Scott Shapiro inadvertently reveals a shocking truth, that World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein, who collected nearly $500 million dollars in insurance as a result of the collapse of Building 7, a 47-story structure that was not hit by a plane but collapsed within seven seconds on September 11, was on the phone to his insurance carrier attempting to convince them that the building should be brought down via controlled demolition.

Writing for Fox News, Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, “I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.”

“Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building -- since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.”

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

“A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building's imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy,” writes Shapiro.

However, obviously aware of how it would impact his insurance claim, Larry Silverstein has consistently denied that there was ever a plan to intentionally demolish Building 7.

In June 2005, Silverstein told New York Post journalist Sam Smith that his infamous “pull it” comment, which has been cited as proof that Silverstein planned to take down the building with explosives, “meant something else”.

In January 2006, Silverstein’s spokesperson Dara McQuillan told the U.S. State Department that the “pull it” comment meant to withdraw firefighters from the building (despite the fact that there were no firefighters inside WTC 7 as we shall later cover). There was no mention whatsoever of any plan to demolish the building before it fell.

Shapiro’s faux pas has unwittingly let the cat out of the bag on the fact that Silverstein was aggressively pushing for the building to be intentionally demolished, a claim that he has always vociferously denied, presumably to safeguard against putting in doubt the massive insurance payout he received on the basis that the collapse was accidental.

For over five years since the infamous PBS documentary was aired in which Silverstein states that the decision was made to “pull” the building, a construction term for controlled demolition, debunkers have attempted to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics in fudging the meaning behind the WTC leaseholder’s comments.

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse,” said Silverstein.

Debunkers attempted to claim that Silverstein meant to “pull” the firefighters from the building due to the danger the structure was in, and this explanation was also later claimed by Silverstein’s spokesman, however, both the FEMA report, the New York Times and even Popular Mechanics reported that there were no firefighting actions taken inside WTC 7.



Another clip from the same documentary clearly illustrates that the term “pull” is industry jargon for a controlled demolition.



“While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was,” writes Shapiro in his Fox News hit piece.

Shapiro’s contention that the 47-story building simply collapsed into its own footprint within seven seconds without making a sound, a feat only ever witnessed in world history on 9/11 alone, is contradicted by numerous other first-hand eyewitnesses.

Contradicting Shapiro’s claim that the collapse of the building was quiet, NYPD officer Craig Bartmer stated that he clearly heard bombs tear down Building 7 as he ran away from its collapse.

“I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn’t see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn’t hear any… I didn’t hear any creaking, or… I didn’t hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming ‘get away, get away, get away from it!’… It was at that moment… I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself… Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit’s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you’re hearing “boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.” I think I know an explosion when I hear it… Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they’re saying… Nothing to account for what we saw… I am shocked at the story we’ve heard about it to be quite honest,” said Bartmer.

EMT Indira Singh, a Senior Consultant for JP Morgan Chase in Information Technology and Risk Management, told the Pacifica show Guns and Butter, “After midday on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much just flames everywhere and smoke – it is entirely possible – I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage.”

The host asked Singh, “Did they actually use the word “brought down” and who was it that was telling you this?,” to which Singh responded, “The fire department. And they did use the words ‘we’re gonna have to bring it down’ and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility, given the subsequent controversy over it I don’t know.”

Another EMT named Mike who wished to remain anonymous wrote in a letter to the Loose Change film crew that emergency responders were told Building 7 was about to be “pulled” and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

“There were bright flashes up and down the sides of Building 7, you could see them through the windows…and it collapsed. We all knew it was intentionally pulled… they told us,” he stated.

Following news reports in the days after the attack that Building 7 had collapsed due to fire damage, Mike fully expected this mistake to be corrected after the chaos had subsided, but was astonished when it became part of the official story.

Mike’s report of a countdown preceding the collapse of WTC 7 was backed up by Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden, who said that he heard the last few seconds of the countdown on a nearby police radio.

In addition, the language used by firefighters and others at ground zero shortly before the building fell strongly indicates that the building was deliberately demolished with explosives, and not that it fell unaided.



“It’s blowin’ boy.” … “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.” … “The building is about to blow up, move it back.” … “Here we are walking back. There’s a building, about to blow up…”

Photo and video evidence of the collapse of Building 7 shows classic indications of a controlled demolition. The standard ‘crimp’ in the center-left top of the building and the subsequent ’squibs’ of smoke as it collapses clearly represent explosive demolition.

Veteran news anchor Dan Rather shared the view that the building looked like a controlled demolition during news coverage of the event on CBS.



Several news agencies, including the BBC and CNN, reported that the building had already collapsed 26 minutes and as much as over an hour before it actually fell.

Footage broadcast 20 minutes before Building 7 fell shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of WTC 7 while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head. A Separate BBC broadcast shows reporters discussing the collapse of Building 7 26 minutes before it happened.



Just about every sentence of Shapiro’s hit piece is contradicted by numerous other eyewitnesses, so his feigned righteous indignation in ranting, “I was there. I know what happened, and there is no single credible piece of evidence that implicates the United States of America in the Sept. 11 attacks,” fails to ring true.

However, the most damning aspect of the article is Shapiro’s inadvertent revelation that Larry Silverstein was on the phone to his insurance company pushing for the building to be demolished, which is precisely what happened later in the day, and as innumerable eyewitnesses as well as video footage and physical evidence prove, the collapse of WTC 7 could have been nothing else than a controlled demolition, which would place Silverstein’s $500 million insurance payout in severe jeopardy if ever acknowledged.

Shapiro’s testimony, intended to debunk questions surrounding the official story behind 9/11, has only succeeded in raising more, because it completely contradicts Larry Silverstein’s insistence that he never considered deliberately demolishing WTC 7 with explosives.

More: Silverstein Was Calling Lawyer To Get Double Insurance On WTC On The Evening Of 9/11

Via email……

In response to your excellent new article, “Bombshell: Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11,” I thought you might find the following of use:

Firstly, you can watch a recent CBS interview in which Silverstein claims that he should have been in the WTC on 9/11, but his wife insisted he go to a dermatologist’s appointment, thereby saving his life:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes/video/?pid=dCJDTFzLiEO_a32xTRfMdMMYQd1nH...

Secondly, it is worth noting that already on the evening of 9/11, Silverstein was calling his lawyers, to see if he could make a double claim on his WTC insurance policy. See this 9/11 Timeline entry:

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201doubleinsurance&scale=0

The key information is from pp. 18-19 of Steven Brill’s book, After: How America Confronted the September 12 Era. Brill wrote:

“Real estate developer Larry Silverstein was on his way to a dermatologist on the morning of the 11th, instead of the Trade Center--the multibillion-dollar complex where he had leveraged a $14 million personal investment in a partnership that owned the leasing rights to the buildings into bragging rights as the complex’s putative owner. Silverstein would tell the author five months later that he was so shocked and sickened by the destruction and by the loss of four of his employees that morning that he did not think he focused on issues like insurance or finances until “perhaps two weeks later.” In fact, according to his own lawyers, by that evening he was on the phone with them worrying whether his effort to shave costs when he’d bought insurance would now come back to hurt him, or whether his insurance policies could be read in a way that would construe the attacks as two separate, insurable incidents rather than one. The difference was roughly $3.55 billion versus $7.1 billion--the kind of gap corporate litigators dream of.”

[End of quote]

If you want to verify this quote for yourself, you can search Brill’s book at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743237099/
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The conservative Tea Party movement in the US has blocked a three-term Republican senator from Utah, Bob Bennett, in his bid for re-election.

Sen Bennett came third at a Republican Party convention in Salt Lake City.

The two challengers, one backed by the Tea Party, will face each other in a primary next month for the right to contest November's Midterm elections.

It is the first major victory for the grassroots movement that objects to big government and opposes high spending.

Sen Bennett was criticised by Tea Party activists for supporting the Wall Street bail-out, co-sponsoring a bipartisan bill mandating health insurance coverage and aggressively seeking funding "earmarks" for his state.

"The political atmosphere obviously has been toxic and it's very clear that some of the votes that I have cast have added to the toxic environment," he told reporters after Saturday's convention vote.

"Looking back on them, with one or two very minor exceptions, I wouldn't have cast any of them any differently even if I had known at the time they were going to cost me my career."

Sen Bennett is barred by state law from running as an independent, but he has not ruled out standing as a write-in candidate - whose name does not appear on the ballot and so must be written on the ballot by the voters.

"I do think I still have a lot of juice left in me," he added.

The two candidates in June's primary, businessman Tim Bridgewater and Tea Party-backed lawyer Mike Lee, both claimed during the campaign that they were better suited to rein in government spending than Sen Bennett.

"There is a mood that has swept across this country and has certainly swept across Utah that is demanding a new generation of leaders. Leaders committed to constitutionally limited government," Mr Lee told the Reuters news agency.

Correspondents say the winner of the Republican nomination is all but guaranteed victory in November because Utah is so conservative.



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Reply #1327 - May 14th, 2010 at 1:47am
 
I didn't even know about this.

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By KATHY MATHESON
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Gerri Bostic lost all her material possessions 25 years ago when police dropped a bomb on her block, killing five children and six adult members of the militant group MOVE and incinerating 61 row homes.

Perhaps her biggest losses were her peace of mind and sense of community.

Her West Philadelphia neighborhood — now nearly vacant and eerily quiet — never recovered from the city’s horrific botched attempt to arrest the MOVE members on May 13, 1985. The violent confrontation was a rare bombing of American citizens by civilian authorities in the United States.

Today, after spending more than $43 million on redevelopment, the city has two blocks of boarded-up eyesores to show for its efforts. The homes built to replace those lost in the bomb-ignited inferno were so shoddy that officials stopped making repairs and offered buyouts.

“There’s nothing nice about this block anymore,” said Bostic, 89. “All the people are gone.”

And now that a long-running lawsuit over the replacement houses has ended, Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell says the city needs to put the past to rest on Osage Avenue and Pine Street.

“It’s time to make peace with it all and fix up the properties,” Blackwell said.

It won’t be easy; Philadelphia has many blighted areas competing for attention. And developers of these blocks will have the added challenge of winning support from embittered residents whose American Dream of homeownership has been a nightmare.

“We’ve been victimized twice,” Osage resident Milton Williams said.

Some might say Williams and his neighbors have been victimized three times — the first being when MOVE arrived around 1981.

The revolutionary back-to-nature group came to the city’s Cobbs Creek section after a 1978 shootout with police at its previous home. One officer died in the firefight; nine MOVE members went to prison, and others moved to Osage Avenue.

They soon turned their middle-class row house into a fortified compound, with a bunker on the roof and wooden slats over the windows. Reeking garbage attracted vermin, and loudspeakers blared obscene daily rants against authorities for jailing their peers.

“You really couldn’t get any rest,” said Connie Renfrow, who still lives on Osage. “The kids couldn’t do their studies.”

Her husband, Gerald Renfrow, said neighbors at first tried to address the problems directly with MOVE members, all of whom used the surname Africa. When talking failed, residents called authorities — but to no avail.

“They just let it fester,” he said.

Police decided to move on MOVE in mid-May 1985, obtaining arrest and search warrants on the belief the group’s house contained illegal weapons and explosives. Authorities evacuated the block on May 12, telling residents there would be a police action the next day.

When they were refused entry to serve the warrants on May 13, police began an hours-long siege using water cannons, tear gas and bullets. A state police helicopter flew overhead carrying Philadelphia officers and a canvas satchel loaded with explosives.

The bomb ignited a gasoline-fueled conflagration that killed the MOVE militants and children and obliterated two blocks of homes. Ramona Africa, then 29, and Birdie Africa, then 13, escaped with major burns.

Residents, who had been told to take just a change of clothes with them, came home to find ruins.

“Nothing but brick and rubble,” recalled Gerald Renfrow, 64.

After more than a year in temporary housing, residents returned to their rebuilt homes in the fall of 1986. That winter, the roofs started leaking.

Next came discoveries of defective plumbing and wiring, bad flooring, nails popping out of walls, burst pipes, flooded basements and backyards and broken appliances. Replacement trees have since uprooted parts of the sidewalk and are strangling pipes.

Milton Williams, 61, has had five stoves, four roofs and two living room ceilings. Today, his front and back windows look out on boarded-up homes.

“It’s embarrassing to invite people over here,” he said.

After 14 years of unending repairs, then-Mayor John Street decided in 2000 that the houses were beyond salvage. He offered owners $125,000 each plus $25,000 in moving expenses; 37 people took him up on it. The homes were then worth about $75,000 each.

But 24 residents sued for breach of contract for stopping the repairs, which had been promised by Street’s predecessor. A federal jury awarded each homeowner $534,000, but a judge slashed it to $250,000. An appeal brought the settlement to $190,000 per house in 2008.

Sixteen homeowners, including Williams and Bostic, accepted the deal. Bostic, though, said it is not enough money to move off Osage and, in any case, she is too old to start over. She turns 90 in September.

“I think if I have to move it will kill me,” Bostic said. “Why couldn’t they fix the houses like they should have?”

Williams said he won’t spend any money on his house while the city-owned homes are abandoned.

“I’m not going to invest any more in this place not knowing what they’re going to do with these homes,” Williams said.

Eight homeowners — including the Renfrows — have refused to accept the settlement, saying to do so would wrongly imply the city had made things right.

The Renfrows say the money would not allow them to buy an equivalent house in an area with the amenities they have now — a park, public transportation and proximity to downtown, shopping and entertainment.

And while they’ve paid off their mortgage, they cannot tap the home’s equity. The house is valueless and unsellable, they say, as long as it needs repairs and sits amid blight.

“They promised to make us whole,” said Connie Renfrow, 63. “They haven’t even made us halfway whole.”

Blackwell, the councilwoman who represents the area, says developers have expressed interest in the lots but never followed through — in part because of the legal baggage and lack of support from the city.

Still, six months before the homeowners’ suit settled, Blackwell wrote to the new mayor’s chief of staff to say it is “long past the time that we have a plan for these properties.”

“I think we have all been fortunate that no one has broken into these homes and created another disaster,” she wrote in March 2008.

Neighbors agree. They say Osage, which once hosted huge community block parties, has become a street for illicit sex and drug deals because of the blight.

“They think that no one lives here,” Gerald Renfrow said.

Blackwell repeated her warning in a letter last December to Mayor Michael Nutter, the fourth city leader to deal with fallout from the bombing. But little has been done.

Nutter spokesman Doug Oliver said in a statement that, unfortunately, the city has many blighted areas demanding attention.

“In the long run, our best hope to redevelop these neighborhoods is to continue building a vibrant city with a strong tax base that will enable us to rebuild these communities,” he said.

The MOVE survivors and victims’ relatives collectively received about $5.5 million in compensation from the city. Some MOVE members now live in a blue-and-white Victorian in the city’s Clark Park section, about two miles from Osage Avenue.

There are no slats, no roof bunker, no loudspeakers — just a few dogs.

Ramona Africa, now 54, said the group of about three dozen members continues to fight what it considers the unfair incarceration of eight members for the 1978 officer killing. A ninth died in prison.

“There is no justice in the legal system,” Africa said. “Not just for MOVE, but for anybody.”

Meanwhile, their former house on Osage was rebuilt and sits among those boarded up.

For 20 years after the bombing, it was occupied first by the city’s redevelopment authority, then by a round-the-clock police detail to ensure MOVE did not return.

Today, phone books are piled on the stoop, a decrepit sawhorse sits by the front door and the window blinds are drawn.

The police, too, have moved out.


Why would police drop explosives from a helicopter?  To those who say that people in authority should get a break...ta dahhh!

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Reply #1328 - May 14th, 2010 at 8:53am
 
The MOVE bombing was a fairly pivotal event in shaping how cities respond to hostage situations.  Suffice it to say that municipalities are no longer allowed to drop explosives from helicopters on occupied homes.


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Reply #1329 - May 28th, 2010 at 9:18pm
 
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By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF


Jude Kokolo has been stuck in first grade for the last five years because his father says he can’t afford to pay $2.50 a month in school fees. But his father says that he averages $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.

There’s an ugly secret of global poverty, one rarely acknowledged by aid groups or U.N. reports. It’s a blunt truth that is politically incorrect, heartbreaking, frustrating and ubiquitous:

It’s that if the poorest families spent as much money educating their children as they do on wine, cigarettes and prostitutes, their children’s prospects would be transformed. Much suffering is caused not only by low incomes, but also by shortsighted private spending decisions by heads of households.

That probably sounds sanctimonious, haughty and callous, but it’s been on my mind while traveling through central Africa with a college student on my annual win-a-trip journey. Here in this Congolese village of Mont-Belo, we met a bright fourth grader, Jovali Obamza, who is about to be expelled from school because his family is three months behind in paying fees. (In theory, public school is free in the Congo Republic. In fact, every single school we visited charges fees.)

We asked to see Jovali’s parents. The dad, Georges Obamza, who weaves straw stools that he sells for $1 each, is unmistakably very poor. He said that the family is eight months behind on its $6-a-month rent and is in danger of being evicted, with nowhere to go.

The Obamzas have no mosquito net, even though they have already lost two of their eight children to malaria. They say they just can’t afford the $6 cost of a net. Nor can they afford the $2.50-a-month tuition for each of their three school-age kids.

“It’s hard to get the money to send the kids to school,” Mr. Obamza explained, a bit embarrassed.

But Mr. Obamza and his wife, Valerie, do have cellphones and say they spend a combined $10 a month on call time.

In addition, Mr. Obamza goes drinking several times a week at a village bar, spending about $1 an evening on moonshine. By his calculation, that adds up to about $12 a month — almost as much as the family rent and school fees combined.

I asked Mr. Obamza why he prioritizes alcohol over educating his kids. He looked pained.

Other villagers said that Mr. Obamza drinks less than the average man in the village (women drink far less). Many other men drink every evening, they said, and also spend money on cigarettes.

“If possible, I drink every day,” Fulbert Mfouna, a 43-year-old whose children have also had to drop out or repeat grades for lack of school fees, said forthrightly. His eldest son, Jude, is still in first grade after repeating for five years because of nonpayment of fees. Meanwhile, Mr. Mfouna acknowledged spending $2 a day on alcohol and cigarettes.

Traditionally, a young man here might have paid his wife’s family a “bride price” of a pair of goats. Now the “bride price” starts with oversized jugs of wine and two bottles of whiskey.

Two M.I.T. economists, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo, found that the world’s poor typically spend about 2 percent of their income educating their children, and often larger percentages on alcohol and tobacco: 4 percent in rural Papua New Guinea, 6 percent in Indonesia, 8 percent in Mexico. The indigent also spend significant sums on soft drinks, prostitution and extravagant festivals.

Look, I don’t want to be an unctuous party-pooper. But I’ve seen too many children dying of malaria for want of a bed net that the father tells me is unaffordable, even as he spends larger sums on liquor. If we want Mr. Obamza’s children to get an education and sleep under a bed net — well, the simplest option is for their dad to spend fewer evenings in the bar.

Because there’s mounting evidence that mothers are more likely than fathers to spend money educating their kids, one solution is to give women more control over purse strings and more legal title to assets. Some aid groups and U.N. agencies are working on that.

Another approach is microsavings, helping poor people save money when banks aren’t interested in them. It’s becoming increasingly clear that the most powerful part of microfinance isn’t microlending but microsavings.

Microsavings programs, organized by CARE and other organizations, work to turn a consumption culture into a savings culture. The programs often keep household savings in the women’s names, to give mothers more say in spending decisions, and I’ve seen them work in Africa, Latin America and Asia.

Well-meaning humanitarians sometimes burnish suffering to make it seem more virtuous and noble than it often is. If we’re going to make more progress, and get kids like the Obamza children in school and under bed nets, we need to look unflinchingly at uncomfortable truths — and then try to redirect the family money now spent on wine and prostitution.


I thought this was a rather thought-provoking article.  It's not too often that somebody admits that Africa's problems extend beyond simple destitution.  Prioritization - or the lack thereof - plays just as big a role.


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"Top kill" did not stop the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. How about something "titanic"?

Federal officials are hoping film director James Cameron can help them come up with ideas on how to stop the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The Avatar and Titanic director was among a group of scientists and other experts who met on Tuesday with officials from the Environmental Protection Agency and other federal agencies for a brainstorming session on stopping the massive oil leak.

The Canadian-born Cameron is considered an expert on underwater filming and remote vehicle technologies. Avatar and Titanic are the two highest-grossing films of all time.



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Philip Shenon, a former investigative reporter at The New York Times, is the author of The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation.

BS Top - Shenon Wikileaks Julian Assange Anxious that Wikileaks may be on the verge of publishing a batch of secret State Department cables, investigators are desperately searching for founder Julian Assange. Philip Shenon reports.

(This story has been updated to reflect new developments on Assange's whereabouts.)

Pentagon investigators are trying to determine the whereabouts of the Australian-born founder of the secretive website Wikileaks for fear that he may be about to publish a huge cache of classified State Department cables that, if made public, could do serious damage to national security, government officials tell The Daily Beast.

The officials acknowledge that even if they found the website founder, Julian Assange, it is not clear what they could do to block publication of the cables on Wikileaks, which is nominally based on a server in Sweden and bills itself as a champion of whistleblowers.

“We’d like to know where he is; we’d like his cooperation in this,” one U.S. official said of Assange.

American officials said Pentagon investigators are convinced that Assange is in possession of at least some classified State Department cables leaked by a 22-year-old Army intelligence specialist, Bradley Manning of Potomac, Maryland, who is now in custody in Kuwait.

And given the contents of the cables, the feds have good reason to be concerned.
As The Daily Beast reported June 8, Manning, while posted in Iraq, apparently had special access to cables prepared by diplomats and State Department officials throughout the Middle East, regarding the workings of Arab governments and their leaders, according to an American diplomat.

The cables, which date back over several years, went out over interagency computer networks available to the Army and contained information related to American diplomatic and intelligence efforts in the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, the diplomat said.

American officials would not discuss the methods being used to find Assange, nor would they say if they had information to suggest where he is now. "We'd like to know where he is; we'd like his cooperation in this," one U.S. official said of Assange.

Assange, who first gained notoriety as a computer hacker, is as secretive as his website and has no permanent home.

Investigators may get their chance Friday night, when Assange is scheduled to appear at an Investigative Reporters and Editors conference in Las Vegas. Whether he will physically appear at the conference is anyone's guess.

Last week, Assange was scheduled to join famed Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg for a talk at New York's Personal Democracy Forum. Assange appeared via Skype from Australia instead, saying lawyers recommended he not return to the United States.

Assange was in the United States as recently as several weeks ago, when he gave press interviews to promote the website’s release of an explosive 2007 video of an American helicopter attack in Baghdad that left 12 people dead, including two employees of the news agency Reuters.

Wikileaks has not replied directly to email messages from The Daily Beast.

However, in cryptic messages he sent this week via Twitter, Wikileaks referred to an earlier Daily Beast article on the investigation of Manning and said that it “looks like we’re about to be attacked by everything the U.S. has.”

In an earlier post, the site said that allegations that “we have been sent 260,000 classified U.S. embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect.”

This morning, a new Wikileaks tweet went out: "Any signs of unacceptable behavior by the Pentagon or its agents towards this press will be viewed dimly."

In one post, the site said that allegations that “we have been sent 260,000 classified U.S. embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect.”

Pentagon investigators say that particular post may have been an effort by Wikileaks to throw them—and news organizations—off the track as the site prepared the library of State Department cables for release, officials said.

“It looks like they’re playing some sort of semantic games,” one American official said of Wikileaks. “They may not have 260,000 cables, but they’ve probably got enough cables to make trouble.”

• Philip Shenon: The State Dept.’s Worst NightmareIn another cryptic Twitter message, the site said that while the State Department might be alarmed about the prospect of the release of classified cables, “we have not been contacted.”

American officials were unwilling to say what would happen if Assange is tracked down, although they suggested they would have many more legal options available to them if he were still somewhere in the United States.

Manning has reportedly admitted that he downloaded 260,000 diplomatic cables and provided them to Wikileaks. In Internet chat logs first revealed by Wired  magazine, Manning also took credit for leaking the 2007 video to the website.

“Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available,” Manning wrote of the diplomatic cables, according to Wired.

Wikileaks has not confirmed that Manning is a source of any information posted on the site. “We do not know if Mr. Manning is our source, but the U.S. military is claiming he is, so we will defend him,” Wikileaks said in another Twitter message.

Manning was turned in to the Pentagon by a former computer hacker based in California, Adrian Lamo, after Manning approached Lamo for counsel. Manning is believed to have contacted Lamo after reading a recent profile of him in Wired.

In the chat log revealed by Wired, Manning bragged to Lamo about having downloaded a huge library of State Department cables, as well as the 2007 video of the helicopter attack, and having provided the material to Wikileaks.

Manning took credit for having leaked a classified diplomatic cable that has already appeared on the site—a memo prepared by the United States embassy in Reykjavik, Iceland, that described a meeting there between American and Icelandic officials over that country’s banking meltdown.

The January 2010 memo may have been of special interest to Wikileaks given the site’s close ties to Iceland, where Assange has based himself at times and where he worked with local lawmakers to draft free-speech laws that give broad freedom to journalists to protect their sources.

A profile this week in The New Yorker magazine depicted Assange feverishly at work with Icelandic colleagues in Reykjavik in March as he organized the release of the 2007 video of the helicopter attack. The edited video was given the title Collateral Murder, and its release infuriated officials at the Defense Department.

With its network of whistleblowers, Wikileaks has published documents and videos on its site that have outraged other foreign governments. To protect the site from attack by intelligence agencies, Assange has placed Wikileaks on several Internet servers, making it all but impossible for any government to shut down the site entirely.


This is why the internet is an awesome thing and shouldn't be controlled.  How much you want to bet that nothing in these classified documents will really be a bad thing for troops or national secrets that isn't close to illegal or immoral?  Talk about David vs. Golliah!

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Watch this video first:

http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/

Then read this Washington Post article:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/who_tmzd_rep_bob_etheridge.ht...

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Wow, talk about a desperate attempt to deflect criticism!  Grabbing someone by the throat most certainly does not constitute "acting strangely."


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If someone ended up "hugging" me like that...he or she would find my .45 in their gut.

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June 22, 2010 5:02 p.m. EDT

(CNN) -- Chattanooga police Tuesday dropped charges against a man arrested for speeding and other violations as he tried to rush his wife to a hospital when it appeared she was having a stroke.

Police spokeswoman Lt. Kim Noorbergen said Hamilton County District Attorney General Bill Cox and Chattanooga Police Chief Mark Rawlston had reviewed the case of Eric "Jessie" Wright "and concluded the necessity for Mr. Wright to reach the hospital with his wife was greater than the offenses he was charged and arrested for."

"We deeply regret this incident has occurred and hope to meet with Mr. and Mrs. Wright at their earliest convenience to discuss the events of June 16," Noorbergen said, adding that an internal affairs investigation would continue and that the police department would also review policy and procedures to determine whether any changes should be made.

The officer involved, James Daves, was placed on paid administrative leave pending the conclusion of the internal affairs investigation, she said Monday.

Wright told CNN that he and his wife, Aline, were at their home Wednesday night when she began showing possible signs of a stroke, with symptoms including numbness in her arms and a facial droop. His wife, who lost a leg to cancer, ran the risk of having a stroke because of the chemotherapy used to fight the cancer, he said.

Wright, a trained emergency medic, said he took his wife's vital signs and decided to take her to the emergency room at nearby Erlanger Medical Center, where they both work. An ambulance would have taken an additional 20 to 30 minutes, he said.

Wright said after carrying his wife to their car, he called the medical center to report that they were on the way, and he drove with his emergency blinkers on, blew his horn and was cautious as he crossed the red lights.

Daves fell in behind Wright at an intersection, with his police car lights and siren on. Wright said he was too close to the hospital to stop, and upon arrival he immediately carried his wife to the emergency room because she did hot have her prosthetic leg.

The police officer confronted Wright and told him that he was going to send him to jail, Wright said. Wright said Daves also referred to him with an obscenity.

Daves could not be reached for comment. In his affidavit, in addition to saying that Wright nearly caused a collision, Daves wrote: "(The) defendant stopped in the ER entrance and jumped out and ran. Police made contact with Defendant at the passenger side of his vehicle and I grabbed the defendant's arm and he pushed me away scraping my arm with his fingernail. Defendant yelled and said it was an emergency.

"Defendant pushed through the crowd and carried a female back into the emergency room and placed her in a room with no permission of the hospital staff," Daves wrote.

He also said Wright's registration was expired.

Wright told CNN that at the hospital, Daves threatened to file felony charges against him. He said that after spending the night with his wife, he went to the jail to turn himself in. Jail personnel told him there were no warrants for his arrest, Wright said

But Friday morning, he was taken into custody by hospital security officers and taken to the Hamilton County jail where he spent the day before he was released on $7,500 bail, charged with seven felonies, Wright said.

All of the charges -- evading arrest, assault on a police officer, reckless endangerment, disorderly conduct, registration violation and several traffic violations -- were dropped, Noorbergen said.

Wright said he feels that Daves' actions at the emergency room endangered his wife's health "and that he (Daves) was trumping up charges to get back at me."

CNN affiliate WTVC reported that Aline Wright was out of the hospital by Friday morning and, while she had stroke-like symptoms, she was not diagnosed as having had a stroke.



You will respect my authoritah!  I have no idea how this officer thought this kind of confrontation could possibly end up going well for him?


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This is just getting rediculous!

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     (CN) - Police Tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, after her grandson called 911 seeking medical assistance, the woman and her grandson claim in Oklahoma City Federal Court. Though the grandson said, "Don't Taze my granny!" an El Reno police officer told another cop to "Taser her!" and wrote in his police report that he did so because the old woman "took a more aggressive posture in her bed," according to the complaint.
     Lonnie Tinsley claims that he called 911 after he went to check on his grandmother, whom he found in her bed, "connected to a portable oxygen concentrator with a long hose." She is "in marginal health, [and] takes several prescribed medications daily," and "was unable to tell him exactly when she had taken her meds," so, Tinsley says, he called 911 "to ask for an emergency medical technician to come to her apartment to evaluate her."
     In response, "as many as ten El Reno police" officers "pushed their way through the door," according to the complaint.
The grandma, Lona Varner, "told them to get out of her apartment."
The remarkable complaint continues: "Instead, the apparent leader of the police [defendant Thomas Duran] instructed another policeman to 'Taser her!' He stated in his report that the 86 year-old plaintiff 'took a more aggressive posture in her bed,' and that he was fearful for his safety and the safety of others.
"Lonnie Tinsley told them, 'Don't taze my Granny!' to which they responded that they would Taser him; instead, they pulled him out of her apartment, took him down to the floor, handcuffed him and placed him in the back of a police car.
"The police then proceeded to approach Ms. Varner in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she began to suffer oxygen deprivation.
"The police then fired a Taser at her and only one wire struck her, in the left arm; the police then fired a second Taser, striking her to the right and left of the midline of her upper chest and applied high voltage, causing burns to her chest, extreme pain and to pass out.
"The police then grabbed Ms. Varner by her forearms and jerked hands together, causing her soft flesh to tear and bleed on her bed; they then handcuffed her.
"The police freed Lonnie Tinsley from his incarceration in the back of the police car and permitted him to accompany the ambulance with his grandmother."
Tinsley says the cops capped it all off by having his grandmother "placed in the psychiatric ward at the direction of the El Reno police; she was held there for six days and released."
"As a result of the wrongful arrest and detention, the plaintiff Lona M. Varner suffered the unlawful restraint of her freedom, bodily injury, assault, battery, the trashing of her apartment, humiliation, loss of personal dignity, infliction of emotional distress and medical bills."
     They seek punitive damages for constitutional violations, from the City of El Reno, Duran, Officers Frank Tinga and Joseph Sandberg, and 10 Officers Does.
     They are represented by Brian Dell of Oklahoma City.


I almost don't believe the story because police showed up to an emergency medical call, so many officers showed up, and just...just everything!

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In the gun rights case McDonald vs. Chicago, McDonald wins!  The second amendment is now recognized as being "incorporated", meaning it applies to state and local governments!  Success!


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Ya but just like DC did, Chi-town is already writing up 95% of the laws back up and making it "near humanly impossible" (Mayor DeLay's words) to get one.  Registering, classes, qualifying, sending in ballistics, fingerprinting...McDonald is already refiling suit against DC because of it all.  Personally, I think this is a state and local issue, but how about putting it to a vote for the people.  Oh that's right, because DeLay loves the mob more than Chicagians and must love all the gangland violence.

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There's a lot of debate right now over unemployment benefits. What are your takes on the matter? The Dems are defending it saying that it creates jobs when they pay unemployment checks because people that get that money cannot save it but must spend it.

I don't know if anyone here gets this benefit but I hope I don't offend any of you.

I think there should be tighter restrictions on the unemployment benefits. For those of us that don't need them, we shouldn't get taxed as much, therefore allowing us to save or spend the extra money. Saving the money would build the financial industry back up and allow those who need the money to be better qualified for a loan. Spending the money would have the same effect as the benefits. The only difference is where the money may get spent.
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The benefits should not be allowed to be extended for years at a time. It is very easy to get complacent in your search. I know someone that got unemployment from a higher paying job and then took a lower paying job, and the unemployment stopped. Some people will just stay on unemployment because the pay is better than some jobs out there.

That is of course, a blanket statement, but from what I've seen as long as the unemployment is extended over and over, people will stay on it because it is calculated from a higher salary from a more prosperous era.

Tough situation we are in... people bought expensive homes and then took out equity loans to live like kings and now its coming back to bite them.

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I agree with Briney.  I was on unemployement and I could have made more money on it than take this job, but that's not who I am.  It's nice that the money comes from businesses rather than just the government...but to have the government extend it is unnecessary government intrusion, especially federal intrusion.  I'd understand a bit more if the state or local areas had the solo say then that'd be a little bit different.

I can see why unemployement is good esp. in a sucky economy where you just can't automatically find a job...but the abuse of the lazy and the abuse of the government, like in all things, bogs down the advancement of American and the human spirit.

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In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect. They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011:

First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011:

Personal income tax rates will rise. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:

- The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
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- The 25% bracket rises to 28%
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- The 28% bracket rises to 31%
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- The 33% bracket rises to 36%
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- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
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Higher taxes on marriage and family. The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level. The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.

The return of the Death Tax. This year, there is no death tax. For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.

Higher tax rates on savers and investors. The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011. These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.

Second Wave: Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The “Special Needs Kids Tax” This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. The major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear. Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000. This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.


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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/if-you-buy-an-imported-watch-do-...

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/07/supreme-court-should-uphold-first-sale-doct...

According to the 9th circuit the following are now banned:

ebay, craig's list, garage/yard sales, used car sales, letting people borrow stuff, giving stuff away, letting people hold stuff for any amount of time.

Copyright has gotten so rediciuolous now because of the DMCA and these stupid rulings without thought.  Where's Tyler Durden for this kind of takedown?!

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Reply #1346 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 6:17am
 
Wow, that's patently ridiculous (ha!).  Of course, I'd expect nothing less out of the ninth circuit.  Screw those guys.


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WITI-TV, SHOREWOOD - Sharing or trading food during school lunchtime is not unheard of, but sharing landed one teenager in police handcuffs.

Ava Hernandez got a disturbing voicemail message from the Assistant Principal of Shorewood High School in March. Her 15-year-old brother Adam has been taken into police custody. She says, "It was because his friend had shared a lunch with him and he was accused of stealing was really, I don't know, it was just over the top."

Adam was accused of stealing chicken nuggets from a $2.60 meal. Those are the nuggets his friend, Gakaree Garner, gave to him. Garner says, "Although that month I was fasting so I couldn't eat meat, and we had chicken nuggets that day."

Garner gave the nuggets to Adam, who got in the lunch line to get some sauce for them. According to Garner and the police report the cafeteria cashier told the Assistant Principal Adam stole the chicken nuggets. The Assistant Principal then told the police officer in the school, who called a squad car. Garner says, "They actually put him in handcuffs, and actually tried to force him into the car."

Ava Hernandez says, "They were like, 'Well do you know that friend receives federally free lunch?', and I said, 'I do now.', and they said, 'Well, it's illegal to share a free lunch so either way Adam was breaking the law'."

Adam was issued a municipal citation for theft and a $170.00 fine, which he chose to fight in court to keep his record clean. A youth group Urban Underground trumpets Adam's cause, fighting against young people needlessly being put in the judicial system.

After garnering media attention the Shorewood Police Chief and High School Principal decided to withdraw the theft charges against Adam Hernandez, thus canceling scheduled court proceedings.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-100719-chicken-nugget-caper,0,5907552.story



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Hey you know that whole...slavery thing....ya...someone in Congress wants to bring it back!

Copy of bill - http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-H5741/text

http://www.examiner.com/x-60483-Long-Beach-City-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d26-Slavery...

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H.R. 5741 is now being debated - 2 years of forced labor from everyone between 18 and 42
Google ImagesH.R. 5741 is currently being argued in the house of representatives. If passed, H.R. 5741 will give the president the power to require 2 years of compulsory service from every US resident between ages 18 and 42. That's not a misprint: everyone between ages eighteen and forty-two will be required to serve in any capacity at the president's whim.

This bill will destroy US commerce as citizens are reassigned to service. The bill's sponsor is Charles Rangel, a democrat from New York. The bill does not yet have a co-sponsor. It was introduced on July 15th and is now before the armed services committee.

Prison Planet reports, "Under this new legislation nearly all, able bodied Americans will be sentenced to two years of forced labor. The infrastructure is already in place for those unwilling to participate in mandatory service and now the army is looking to fill it’s ranks with Interment/Resettlement Specialists."

"The slavery bill is currently in debate in the House Committee on Armed Services chaired by Rep Ike Skelton a democrat from Missouri. Those who oppose mandatory slavery should contact Rep. Skelton. Many bills die in committee and this bill should meet the same fate."

The slavery bill H.R. 5741 is now being debated. It will allow the president to require 2 years of service between every US resident between 18 and 42. The Libertarian Examiner says. "The bill HR5741 is government sanctioned slavery. Read it and weep."


Try it...just try it.  I dare you!  Bullet prices will increase overnight and supply will dwindle to nothing but spitballs.  White people have heard for over 250 years how horrible slavery is...we don't want to experience it anytime soon!

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July 24, 11:18 AMSan Diego County Political Buzz ExaminerKimberly Dvorak


In what could be deemed an act of war against the sovereign borders of the United States, Mexican drug cartels have seized control of at least two American ranches inside the U.S. territory near Laredo, Texas.


Two sources inside the Laredo Police Department confirmed the incident is unfolding and they would continue to coordinate with U.S. Border Patrol today. “We consider this an act of war,” said one police officer on the ground near the scene. There is a news blackout of this incident at this time and the sources inside Laredo PD spoke on the condition of anonymity.


Word broke late last night that Laredo police have requested help from the federal government regarding the incursion by the Los Zetas. It appears that the ranch owners have escaped without incident but their ranches remain in the hands of the blood thirsty cartels.


Laredo Border Patrol is conducting aerial surveillance over the ranches to determine the best way to regain control of the U.S. ranches, according to the Laredo Police department.


The approximate location of the U.S. ranches are10 miles northwest of I-35 off Mines Road and Minerales Annex Road. Just off 1472 (Mines road) near Santa Isabel Creek north of the city of Laredo, Texas.


The Los Zetas drug cartel is an offshoot of the elite Mexican military trained in special ops. The mercenary organization is said to include members of corrupt Mexican Federales, politicians as well as drug traffickers. The group was once part of the Gulf cartel, but has since splintered and now directly competes with the Gulf cartel for premium drug smuggling routes in the Texas region.


The new leader of Los Zetas is Heriberto “El Lazca” Lazcano and is considered the most violent paramilitary group in Mexico by the DEA.


Recently the drug organization has kidnapped tourists, infiltrated local municipalities and continues to smuggle narcotics into a very hungry U.S. market.


The violence south of the border continues to spin out of control and has left Nuevo Laredo, Mexico on virtual lockdown with businesses refusing to open the doors. Last week a particularly violent attack by the Los Zetas included the use of grenades and resulted in a dozen deaths and 21 injuries.


The hostile takeover of the ranches has met with silence with local and national media; however sources say they could be waiting to report the stories once the ranches are back in U.S. control. This journalist questions if this was a Middle Eastern terrorist attack if the media would sit on their hands.


Stay tuned for updates reports throughout the weekend.



The article is obviously a bit biased.  However, if true, this I think it might be time for the US to really put Mexico in its place.  If this isn't sufficient cause for an armed an impenetrable border, nothing is.



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For the last few years, federal agencies have defended body scanning by insisting that all images will be discarded as soon as they're viewed. The Transportation Security Administration claimed last summer, for instance, that "scanned images cannot be stored or recorded."

Now it turns out that some police agencies are storing the controversial images after all.
The U.S. Marshals Service admitted this week that it had surreptitiously saved tens of thousands of images recorded with a millimeter wave system at the security checkpoint of a single Florida courthouse.

This follows an earlier disclosure (PDF) by the TSA that it requires all airport body scanners it purchases to be able to store and transmit images for "testing, training, and evaluation purposes."
The agency says, however, that those capabilities are not normally activated when the devices are installed at airports.

Body scanners penetrate clothing to provide a highly detailed image so accurate that critics have likened it to a virtual strip search. Technologies vary, with millimeter wave systems capturing fuzzier images, and backscatter X-ray machines able to show precise anatomical detail. The U.S. government likes the idea because body scanners can detect concealed weapons better than traditional magnetometers.

This privacy debate, which has been simmering since the days of the Bush administration, came to a boil two weeks ago when Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced that scanners would soon appear at virtually every major airport. The updated list includes airports in New York City, Dallas, Washington, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, and Philadelphia.

The Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group, has filed a lawsuit asking a federal judge to grant an immediate injunction pulling the plug on TSA's body scanning program. In a separate lawsuit, EPIC obtained a letter (PDF) from the Marshals Service, part of the Justice Department, and released it on Tuesday afternoon.

These "devices are designed and deployed in a way that allows the images to be routinely stored and recorded, which is exactly what the Marshals Service is doing," EPIC executive director Marc Rotenberg told CNET. "We think it's significant."

William Bordley, an associate general counsel with the Marshals Service, acknowledged in the letter that "approximately 35,314 images...have been stored on the Brijot Gen2 machine" used in the Orlando, Fla. federal courthouse. In addition, Bordley wrote, a Millivision machine was tested in the Washington, D.C. federal courthouse but it was sent back to the manufacturer, which now apparently possesses the image database.

The Gen 2 machine, manufactured by Brijot of Lake Mary, Fla., uses a millimeter wave radiometer and accompanying video camera to store up to 40,000 images and records. Brijot boasts that it can even be operated remotely: "The Gen 2 detection engine capability eliminates the need for constant user observation and local operation for effective monitoring. Using our APIs, instantly connect to your units from a remote location via the Brijot Client interface."
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TSA's millimeter wave body scan
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This trickle of disclosures about the true capabilities of body scanners--and how they're being used in practice--is probably what alarms privacy advocates more than anything else.

A 70-page document (PDF) showing the TSA's procurement specifications, classified as "sensitive security information," says that in some modes the scanner must "allow exporting of image data in real time" and provide a mechanism for "high-speed transfer of image data" over the network. (It also says that image filters will "protect the identity, modesty, and privacy of the passenger.")

"TSA is not being straightforward with the public about the capabilities of these devices," Rotenberg said. "This is the Department of Homeland Security subjecting every U.S. traveler to an intrusive search that can be recorded without any suspicion--I think it's outrageous." EPIC's lawsuit says that the TSA should have announced formal regulations, and argues that the body scanners violate the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits "unreasonable" searches.

For its part, the TSA says that body scanning is perfectly constitutional: "The program is designed to respect individual sensibilities regarding privacy, modesty and personal autonomy to the maximum extent possible, while still performing its crucial function of protecting all members of the public from potentially catastrophic events."


"testing, training, and evaluation purposes."????

Really?  If that doesn't sound like the biggest BS excuse I've heard.  I'm going to guess that this is testing of a pilot program to see if biometrics can be installed to track people.

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WASHINGTON - The recession and droves of retiring baby boomers will force Social Security to pay out more than it takes in for this year for the first time ever.

The tipping point has come six years sooner than was projected in 2009, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Thursday, as he released annual trustees' reports on the fiscal health of Social Security and Medicare.

Geithner said Medicare's financal outlook has dramatically improved since the passage of health care reform earlier this year.

Medicare will remain in the black until 2029 under its current structure, mainly because of cost cutting-measures included in the health care legislation, the trustees reported. The program serves 46 million retirees and people with disabilities.

Social Security is projected to pay out more than the $41 billion it is expected to take in this year in payroll taxes, the trustees disclosed.

Some 53 million Americans collect Social Security, which is projected to run out of money by 2037 unless Congress makes benefit cuts or raises revenue sources to put it back in fiscal balance.

Some Republicans questioned the administration's accounting practices and its claim that health care reform will save Medicare money and extend its solvency.


Wow, they projected 5 years of "gains" in 2009, and it lasted less than a year?  That's some amazing accounting work.

Assuming we all retire at 65, Social Security will have been insolvent for over a decade.  I don't see the AARP weakening for at least 30 years, so I highly doubt Social Security benefits will be cut in any reasonable time frame.  They are a nearly unstoppable political force.


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Whats worth mentioning here is that Congress has already spent every dollar in "surplus" that Social Security has already taken in. There is no "running out of money in 2037."  Its GONE.

This "in the red" $41 billion payout is truly taking from new debt issuance and not any kind of mythical "Social Security Surplus Fund." That money was spent a long time ago as required by law and only a series of about 3+ trillion in IOU's remain.

How America continues to cheaply acquire debt is beyond me.

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Last month, Erica Goldson graduated as valedictorian of Coxsackie-Athens High School. Instead of using her graduation speech to celebrate the triumph of her victory, the school, and the teachers that made it happen, she channeled her inner Ivan Illich and de-constructed the logic of a valedictorian and the whole educational system.

Erica originally posted her full speech on Sign of the Times, and without need for editing or cutting, here's the speech in its entirety:

Here I stand

There is a story of a young, but earnest Zen student who approached his teacher, and asked the Master, "If I work very hard and diligently, how long will it take for me to find Zen? The Master thought about this, then replied, "Ten years . ." The student then said, "But what if I work very, very hard and really apply myself to learn fast -- How long then?" Replied the Master, "Well, twenty years." "But, if I really, really work at it, how long then?" asked the student. "Thirty years," replied the Master. "But, I do not understand," said the disappointed student. "At each time that I say I will work harder, you say it will take me longer. Why do you say that?" Replied the Master, "When you have one eye on the goal, you only have one eye on the path."

This is the dilemma I've faced within the American education system. We are so focused on a goal, whether it be passing a test, or graduating as first in the class. However, in this way, we do not really learn. We do whatever it takes to achieve our original objective.

Some of you may be thinking, "Well, if you pass a test, or become valedictorian, didn't you learn something? Well, yes, you learned something, but not all that you could have. Perhaps, you only learned how to memorize names, places, and dates to later on forget in order to clear your mind for the next test. School is not all that it can be. Right now, it is a place for most people to determine that their goal is to get out as soon as possible.

I am now accomplishing that goal. I am graduating. I should look at this as a positive experience, especially being at the top of my class. However, in retrospect, I cannot say that I am any more intelligent than my peers. I can attest that I am only the best at doing what I am told and working the system. Yet, here I stand, and I am supposed to be proud that I have completed this period of indoctrination. I will leave in the fall to go on to the next phase expected of me, in order to receive a paper document that certifies that I am capable of work. But I contest that I am a human being, a thinker, an adventurer - not a worker. A worker is someone who is trapped within repetition - a slave of the system set up before him. But now, I have successfully shown that I was the best slave. I did what I was told to the extreme. While others sat in class and doodled to later become great artists, I sat in class to take notes and become a great test-taker. While others would come to class without their homework done because they were reading about an interest of theirs, I never missed an assignment. While others were creating music and writing lyrics, I decided to do extra credit, even though I never needed it. So, I wonder, why did I even want this position? Sure, I earned it, but what will come of it? When I leave educational institutionalism, will I be successful or forever lost? I have no clue about what I want to do with my life; I have no interests because I saw every subject of study as work, and I excelled at every subject just for the purpose of excelling, not learning. And quite frankly, now I'm scared.

John Taylor Gatto, a retired school teacher and activist critical of compulsory schooling, asserts, "We could encourage the best qualities of youthfulness - curiosity, adventure, resilience, the capacity for surprising insight simply by being more flexible about time, texts, and tests, by introducing kids into truly competent adults, and by giving each student what autonomy he or she needs in order to take a risk every now and then. But we don't do that." Between these cinderblock walls, we are all expected to be the same. We are trained to ace every standardized test, and those who deviate and see light through a different lens are worthless to the scheme of public education, and therefore viewed with contempt.

H. L. Mencken wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not "to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States."

To illustrate this idea, doesn't it perturb you to learn about the idea of "critical thinking." Is there really such a thing as "uncritically thinking?" To think is to process information in order to form an opinion. But if we are not critical when processing this information, are we really thinking? Or are we mindlessly accepting other opinions as truth?

This was happening to me, and if it wasn't for the rare occurrence of an avant-garde tenth grade English teacher, Donna Bryan, who allowed me to open my mind and ask questions before accepting textbook doctrine, I would have been doomed. I am now enlightened, but my mind still feels disabled. I must retrain myself and constantly remember how insane this ostensibly sane place really is.

And now here I am in a world guided by fear, a world suppressing the uniqueness that lies inside each of us, a world where we can either acquiesce to the inhuman nonsense of corporatism and materialism or insist on change. We are not enlivened by an educational system that clandestinely sets us up for jobs that could be automated, for work that need not be done, for enslavement without fervency for meaningful achievement. We have no choices in life when money is our motivational force. Our motivational force ought to be passion, but this is lost from the moment we step into a system that trains us, rather than inspires us.

We are more than robotic bookshelves, conditioned to blurt out facts we were taught in school. We are all very special, every human on this planet is so special, so aren't we all deserving of something better, of using our minds for innovation, rather than memorization, for creativity, rather than futile activity, for rumination rather than stagnation? We are not here to get a degree, to then get a job, so we can consume industry-approved placation after placation. There is more, and more still.

The saddest part is that the majority of students don't have the opportunity to reflect as I did. The majority of students are put through the same brainwashing techniques in order to create a complacent labor force working in the interests of large corporations and secretive government, and worst of all, they are completely unaware of it. I will never be able to turn back these 18 years. I can't run away to another country with an education system meant to enlighten rather than condition. This part of my life is over, and I want to make sure that no other child will have his or her potential suppressed by powers meant to exploit and control. We are human beings. We are thinkers, dreamers, explorers, artists, writers, engineers. We are anything we want to be - but only if we have an educational system that supports us rather than holds us down. A tree can grow, but only if its roots are given a healthy foundation.

For those of you out there that must continue to sit in desks and yield to the authoritarian ideologies of instructors, do not be disheartened. You still have the opportunity to stand up, ask questions, be critical, and create your own perspective. Demand a setting that will provide you with intellectual capabilities that allow you to expand your mind instead of directing it. Demand that you be interested in class. Demand that the excuse, "You have to learn this for the test" is not good enough for you. Education is an excellent tool, if used properly, but focus more on learning rather than getting good grades.

For those of you that work within the system that I am condemning, I do not mean to insult; I intend to motivate. You have the power to change the incompetencies of this system. I know that you did not become a teacher or administrator to see your students bored. You cannot accept the authority of the governing bodies that tell you what to teach, how to teach it, and that you will be punished if you do not comply. Our potential is at stake.

For those of you that are now leaving this establishment, I say, do not forget what went on in these classrooms. Do not abandon those that come after you. We are the new future and we are not going to let tradition stand. We will break down the walls of corruption to let a garden of knowledge grow throughout America. Once educated properly, we will have the power to do anything, and best of all, we will only use that power for good, for we will be cultivated and wise. We will not accept anything at face value. We will ask questions, and we will demand truth.

So, here I stand. I am not standing here as valedictorian by myself. I was molded by my environment, by all of my peers who are sitting here watching me. I couldn't have accomplished this without all of you. It was all of you who truly made me the person I am today. It was all of you who were my competition, yet my backbone. In that way, we are all valedictorians.

I am now supposed to say farewell to this institution, those who maintain it, and those who stand with me and behind me, but I hope this farewell is more of a "see you later" when we are all working together to rear a pedagogic movement. But first, let's go get those pieces of paper that tell us that we're smart enough to do so!

Update 8/7/10 - It was only a matter of time until a Youtube video of Erica's speech emerged. I'll warn you now, her delivery isn't as well put together as her speech.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts


I haven't watched the video yet.  I am always pleased to see these grad speeches that make the administration shift from cheek to cheek.  She makes a good point overall, I just don't know how you measure a journey to see if one person needs improvement.  I understand she wants schools to teach more on how to think rather on reciting facts and figures but I don't know to what degree she wants it to happen.

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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel has "eight days" to launch a military strike against Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and stop Tehran from acquiring a functioning atomic plant, a former US envoy to the UN has said.

Iran is to bring online its first nuclear power reactor, built with Russia's help, on August 21, when a shipment of nuclear fuel will be loaded into the plant's core.

At that point, John Bolton warned Monday, it will be too late for Israel to launch a military strike against the facility because any attack would spread radiation and affect Iranian civilians.

"Once that uranium, once those fuel rods are very close to the reactor, certainly once they're in the reactor, attacking it means a release of radiation, no question about it," Bolton told Fox Business Network.

"So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days."

Absent an Israeli strike, Bolton said, "Iran will achieve something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor."

But when asked whether he expected Israel to actually launch strikes against Iran within the next eight days, Bolton was skeptical.

"I don't think so, I'm afraid that they've lost this opportunity," he said.

The controversial former envoy to the United Nations criticized Russia's role in the development of the plant, saying "the Russians are, as they often do, playing both sides against the middle."

"The idea of being able to stick a thumb in America's eye always figures prominently in Moscow," he added.

Iran dismissed the possibilities of such an attack from its archfoes.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said Tuesday that "these threats of attacks had become repetitive and lost their meaning."

"According to international law, installations which have real fuel cannot be attacked because of the humanitarian consequences," he told reporters at a news conference in Tehran.

Iranian officials say Iran has stepped up defensive measures at the Bushehr plant to protect it from any attacks.

Russia has been building the Bushehr plant since the mid-1990s but the project was marred by delays, and the issue is hugely sensitive amid Tehran's standoff with the West and Israel over its nuclear ambitions.

The UN Security Council hit Tehran with a fourth set of sanctions on June 9 over its nuclear programme, and the United States and European Union followed up with tougher punitive measures targeting Iran's banking and energy sectors.

The Bushehr project was first launched by the late shah in the 1970s using contractors from German firm Siemens. But it was shelved when he was deposed in the 1979 Islamic revolution.

It was revived after the death of revolutionary founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989, as Iran's new supreme leader Ali Khamenei and his first president, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, backed the project.

In 1995, Iran won the support of Russia which agreed to finish building the plant and fuel it.



I have a feeling Israel will lay low on this one.  It's just too hot at this point.  That said, I don't really believe that Israel would be unwilling to bomb the facility after the fuel arrives, either.


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By Adam Cohen Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2010

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights,
because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements
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That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant.
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It is a dangerous decision — one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.

This case began in 2007, when Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents decided to monitor Juan Pineda-Moreno, an Oregon resident who they suspected was growing marijuana. They snuck onto his property in the middle of the night and found his Jeep in his driveway, a few feet from his trailer home. Then they attached a GPS tracking device to the vehicle's underside.

After Pineda-Moreno challenged the DEA's actions, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit ruled in January that it was all perfectly legal. More disturbingly, a larger group of judges on the circuit, who were subsequently asked to reconsider the ruling, decided this month to let it stand. (Pineda-Moreno has pleaded guilty conditionally to conspiracy to manufacture marijuana and manufacturing marijuana while appealing the denial of his motion to suppress evidence obtained with the help of GPS.)

In fact, the government violated Pineda-Moreno's privacy rights in two different ways. For starters, the invasion of his driveway was wrong. The courts have long held that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes and in the "curtilage," a fancy legal term for the area around the home. The government's intrusion on property just a few feet away was clearly in this zone of privacy.

The judges veered into offensiveness when they explained why Pineda-Moreno's driveway was not private. It was open to strangers, they said, such as delivery people and neighborhood children, who could wander across it uninvited.
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Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.

Judge Kozinski is a leading conservative, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, but in his dissent he came across as a raging liberal. "There's been much talk about diversity on the bench, but there's one kind of diversity that doesn't exist," he wrote. "No truly poor people are appointed as federal judges, or as state judges for that matter." The judges in the majority, he charged, were guilty of "cultural elitism."
(Read about one man's efforts to escape the surveillance state.)

The court went on to make a second terrible decision about privacy: that once a GPS device has been planted, the government is free to use it to track people without getting a warrant. There is a major battle under way in the federal and state courts over this issue, and the stakes are high. After all, if government agents can track people with secretly planted GPS devices virtually anytime they want, without having to go to a court for a warrant, we are one step closer to a classic police state — with technology taking on the role of the KGB or the East German Stasi.

Fortunately, other courts are coming to a different conclusion from the Ninth Circuit's — including the influential U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. That court ruled, also this month, that tracking for an extended period of time with GPS is an invasion of privacy that requires a warrant. The issue is likely to end up in the Supreme Court.

In these highly partisan times, GPS monitoring is a subject that has both conservatives and liberals worried. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's pro-privacy ruling was unanimous — decided by judges appointed by Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

Plenty of liberals have objected to this kind of spying, but it is the conservative Chief Judge Kozinski who has done so most passionately. "1984 may have come a bit later than predicted, but it's here at last," he lamented in his dissent. And invoking Orwell's totalitarian dystopia where privacy is essentially nonexistent, he warned: "
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CHICAGO — Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, who has presided over the nation's third-largest city for 21 years, announced Tuesday that he will not run for a seventh term.

Daley, 68, said he'd been thinking about not running for several months and became comfortable with his decision over the past several weeks.

"It just feels right," Daley said at a news conference billed as a major cabinet announcement. "I've always believed that every person, especially public officials, must understand when it's time to move on. For me that time is now."

He called the announcement "a personal decision, no more, no less" and said he and his family now begin "new phase of our lives."

The announcement not to run in the February election was made with little warning, but was not a surprise to everyone.

Daley has refused to say whether he would run again, fueling speculation that he might not, and his wife, Maggie, has been battling cancer.

"It's a surprise because there's been a Daley in the political system for so long," said Alan Gitelson, a Loyola University of Chicago political science professor. "There's always been this presence. It's been really part and parcel part of the identity of the city to have a Daley in the mayor's office."

The announcement leaves an open door for White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who said in April during a television interview that "it's no secret" he'd like to run for mayor of Chicago someday.

At the time, Emanuel called Mayor Richard Daley "a dear friend" and said he's done "a fabulous job" as mayor. He said on Charlie Rose's PBS talk show that he hopes Daley will seek re-election and said he'd work for Daley if he runs again.

"But if Mayor Daley doesn't, one day I would like to run for mayor of the city of Chicago," Emanuel said. "That's always been an aspiration of mine even when I was in the House of Representatives."

The 50-year-old Emanuel is a one-time Daley adviser and a Chicago native. He was an Illinois congressman until he resigned to take his current White House post. A few days later, Daley said the two are friends but didn't endorse Emanuel as his heir apparent. "I think there are many people out there who would be great mayors," Daley said.

Daley was first elected mayor in 1989, following in the footsteps of his father, who died of a heart attack while still mayor in 1976 at age 74.


Sayonara, Daley!  Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  We don't want ass prints on our door!


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Ding dong the witch it dead!

Step 1 - Lead large city into a gangland war and don't allow people to defend themselves.  Take police off the street.  Don't investigate murders or crimes
Step 2 - ????
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UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.

But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.

He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.

George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.

“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.

Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.

“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.

Grier was later arrested. John Lewis is Grier’s attorney.

“What he’s initially charged with – A D felony reckless endangerment — requires a depraved indifference to human life, creating a risk that someone’s going to die. Shooting into a lawn doesn’t create a risk of anybody dying,” Lewis said.

Grier said he knew Nassau County Police employ the hi-tech “ShotSpotter” technology in his area and that the shooting would bring police in minutes.
Cops told Guzman he was very cooperative.

Grier also said he was afraid the gang outside his house was the dreaded MS-13. And Nassau County Police Lt. Andrew Mulraine, head of the gang unit, said MS-13 has 2,000 members in the county.

“They’re probably the most organized. They almost have a military hierarchy within the gang, so they are the most organized gang we encounter on a daily basis,” Mulraine said.

You may think a person has the right to defend their home. But the law says you can only use physical force to deter physical force.
Grier said he never saw anyone pull out a gun, so a court would have to decide on firing the gun.

Police determined Grier had the gun legally. He has no criminal record. And so he was not charged for the weapon.

That ShotSpotter technology pinpoints where a gun has been fired within 35 feet. Police said it also detected two other shootings in nearby Roosevelt that night


Sounds to me like a group of 20+ gang members shouting threats outside your home is a physical threat to me.  If this happened in Texas where this would have been clearly legal, it would be a perfect example of why assault weapons are a great thing to have.

Isn't it sad that relying on this stupid ShotSpotter tech. will get the cops there faster than telling a 911 dispatcher that you have a full on riot about ready to storm you house?  It's nice to know the cops will be able to respond within 35 feet to your dead body but the state doesn't want to help you from not letting you become a victim.

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Definition of irony and tyranny in the same story?

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Constitution Day rally deemed “too political” by Ohio Township trustees

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Local government representatives in an Ohio town have taken it upon themselves to prohibit a Tea Party celebration of the US Constitution, prompting a lawsuit over restrictions on First Amendment rights.

Members of the Andover Tea Party in Ohio have been informed that they cannot hold a public rally in the Town’s central square on Constitution Day (September 17) because of the group’s “political affiliation”.

The decision was taken by the Township’s trustees, and members of the Tea Party group were informed by letter that they would not be able to use the square for speakers and performances of patriotic songs.

Township officials informed the residents that speech at the Constitution Day rally could be of a “political nature,” and thus inappropriate for the public square, writes the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, a nonpartisan, non profit law group that has filed a complaint and temporary restraining order against Andover Township (Ashtabula County) in U.S. District Court in Cleveland.

In the complaint, 1851 Center Executive Director Maurice Thompson writes, “It cannot be contested or doubted that the speech in which Plaintiffs seek to engage—honoring and discussing the fundamental law of this nation, i.e., the Constitution—is at the core of the speech protected by the First Amendment. And no venue could further reinforce such message as doing so in the center and heart of the community.”

“In this case, the communicative nature of Plaintiffs’ proposed activities, as well as the selection of the venue for such speech, is indisputably protected by the First Amendment.” Thompson adds.

A copy of the complaint and temporary restraining order are available here and here.

“The government’s action in this case, ironically, demonstrates the need for greater public understanding of Constitutional rights,” Thompson added in a written statement. “One way to do that is through commemoration of Constitution Day.”

In an interview with CNS News, Thompson elaborated on the case:

“The first thing that you note is the extreme irony of the unconstitutional prohibition of the commemoration of the Constitution.”

“[A]nd the second thing that’s notable is either the extreme arrogance or ignorance of many local government officials. There’s so much focus on federal government, yet some of the worst actors are at the ground level,” Thompson said.

A ruling is expected to be made on the case in the next 24 hours.
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A pretty interesting chart.  I didn't know you can open carry in a theater with a CCW.  I'll have to remember that the next time I go to the Rave
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Sorry, I would have posted this sooner...but I just had to violently puke after reading this.  Even though this is the UK and not us...this is so sad that beacons of freedom once have fallen to controlled facists.

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The UK's tax collection agency is putting forth a proposal that all employers send employee paychecks to the government, after which the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax and pay the employees by bank transfer.


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The proposal by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) stresses the need for employers to provide real-time information to the government so that it can monitor all payments and make a better assessment of whether the correct tax is being paid.

Currently employers withhold tax and pay the government, providing information at the end of the year, a system know as Pay as You Earn (PAYE). There is no option for those employees to refuse withholding and individually file a tax return at the end of the year.

If the real-time information plan works, it further proposes that employers hand over employee salaries to the government first.

"The next step could be to use (real-time) information as the basis for centralizing the calculation and deduction of tax," HMRC said in a July discussion paper.

HMRC described the plan as "radical" as it would be a huge change from the current system that has been largely unchanged for 66 years. 

Even though the centralized deductions proposal would provide much-needed oversight, there are some major concerns, George Bull, head of Tax at Baker Tilly, told CNBC.com.

"If HMRC has direct access to employees' bank accounts and makes a mistake, people are going to feel very exposed and vulnerable," Bull said.

And the chance of widespread mistakes could be high, according to Bull. HMRC does not have a good track record of handling large computer systems and has suffered high-profile errors with data, he said.


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The system would be massive in terms of data management, larger than a recent attempt to centralize the National Health Service's data, which was later scrapped, Bull said.

If there's a mistake and the HMRC collects too much money, the difficulty of getting it back could be high with repayments of tax taking weeks or months, he said.

"There has to be some very clear understanding of how quickly repayments were made if there was a mistake," Bull said.

HMRC estimated the potential savings to employers from the introduction of the concept would be about £500 million ($780 million).

But the cost of implementing the new system would be "phenomenal," Bull pointed out. 

"It's very clear that the system does need to be modernized… It's outdated, it's outmoded," Emma Boon, campaigner manager at the Tax Payers' Alliance, told CNBC.com. 

Boon said that the Tax Payers' Alliance was in favor of simplifying tax collection, but stressed that a new complex computer system would add infrastructure and administration costs at a time when the government is trying to reduce spending.

There is a further concern, according to Bull. The centralized storage of so much data poises a security risk as the system may be open to cyber crime.

As well as security issues, there's a huge issue of transparency, according to Boon.

Boon also questioned HMCR's ability to handle to the role effectively.

The Institute of Directors (IoD), a UK organization created to promote the business agenda of directors and entreprenuers, said in a press release it had major concerns about the proposal to allow employees' pay to be paid directly to HMRC. 

The IoD said the shift to a real-time, centralized system could be positive as long as the burden on employers was not increased. But it added that the idea of wages being processed by HMRC was "completely unacceptable."

“This document contains a lot of good ideas. But the idea that HMRC should be trusted with the gross pay of employees is not one of them," Richard Baron, Head of Taxation at the IoD, said in the release.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSTLDel-G9k&feature=player_embedded

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  Climate Film Depicts Children Assassinated For Not Reducing Carbon Footprint

October 1, 2010

Climate Film Depicts Children Assassinated For Not Reducing Carbon Footprint 011010top2

RELATED: Climate Cult Indoctrinating Our Kids With Depraved Death Wish

UPDATE: The 10:10 Global organization has been forced to remove the video from their website and issue an apology. Given the fact that the clip was pulled hours after it first appeared and yet involved the contribution of dozens of actors and film professionals, the backlash must have been instantaneous and overwhelming. Too late for apologies – the damage has already been done. This is one of the final nails in the coffin of the increasingly desperate, threatening and unscientific global warming propaganda machine.

A new climate change infomercial released by a prominent global warming activist organization depicts children being assassinated for not reducing their carbon footprint, as AGW skeptics are grotesquely blown up with innards and blood splattering everywhere, a frightening reminder of the fact that the environmental agenda is merely a veil for a hideous religion of death, and that the vehemently discredited and increasingly desperate global warming movement is in the last death throws of its existence.

Entitled “No Pressure,” the clip begins by showing a teacher brainwashing children about CO2 emissions, before blowing up two kids who do not go along with the mantra and refuse to lower their “carbon footprint”.

The video continues in the same vein, as climate skeptics are liquidated and their bodies horribly ripped apart for having the temerity to hold a different viewpoint, in scenes that wouldn’t look out of place in the most stomach-churning horror movie.

Watch the clip.

Stunned by the massive backlash the video has generated in just the first few hours of its release, the organization behind the stunt, 10:10 Global (email them), pulled the clip from their own website. “Sorry, we’ve taken this video down for now. More info coming very soon,” reads the text on the page where the video formerly appeared.

This video represents one of the last major death throws of the global warming movement. The sheer level of desperation, vitriol and idiocy contained in the four minute clip is indicative of an ideological group who are losing the scientific debate and are therefore forced to resort to crass and vile propaganda in a bid to shove their discredited message down people’s throats.

“What were they thinking? They weren’t, because this is going to have the exact opposite effect they intended it to have. I don’t have words to describe my disgust with the video,” wrote prominent climate change skeptic Anthony Watts.

“This is hate speech, pure and simple. It legitimizes almost any action against or characterization of those who do not agree with the most hysterical version of Catastrophic and Cataclysmic Climate Change–shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out,” writes Thomas Fuller.

    Using ten-year-old kids as both props and victims is a particularly nice touch.

    When DDB created an ad for the WWF showing planes crashing into the World Trade Center as an advertisement asking for support for green activism, it was grotesque, tasteless and an insult to all who suffered losses on September 11th, 2001. It would have been impossible to imagine a cruder, less sensitive call to green action.

    Until now.

    For any of those on the activist side who wonder why skeptics (and lukewarmers) don’t trust the communications put forward by their team, they might wonder just how much any sign of reason might be contaminated by the stench from garbage like this.

Czech Physicist Luboš Motl goes even further in his condemnation of the clip, unloading on X-files actress Gillian Anderson who provided the voiceover for the video. “is she really such a disgusting bloody Nazi bitch?” he asks.

    It was the choice of the 10:10 movement to openly promote genocide. They are not just promoting it….they are planning it. They are genuinely planning ways how to reduce the global CO2 emissions by 10% a year. And indeed, genocide similar to what they present in the video is the only plausible way how something of the sort may be achieved.

    The CIA, FBI, and others should go after the neck of the inhuman scum behind the 10:10 movement and those who harbor them. These people are a genuine threat not only for your well-being but for your health (or life), too.

“James Lee killed himself too early: he would have surely been delighted by this film,” adds Motl, referring to the gunman who entered a Discovery Channel building with explosives and took hostages in a protest against lack of attention on global warming before being killed by police.

Like the characters in the video, Lee expressed his penchant for killing babies and children in an online screed posted before his planned rampage.

    * A d v e r t i s e m e n t
    *

The 10:10 Global organization’s sick and twisted vision of murdering climate skeptics and indeed anyone who refuses to adopt their belief system is one shared by the vast majority of prominent climate change alarmists.

As we have exhaustively documented, the global warming movement is merely a front for the religion of death – neo-eugenics – and the agenda to impose draconian population control measures and eco-fascism in the name of saving the earth.

Leaders of this new cult include people like Finnish environmentalist guru Pentti Linkola, who has called for climate change deniers be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and that the vast majority of humans be killed with the rest enslaved and controlled by a green police state, with people forcibly sterilized, cars confiscated and travel restricted to members of the elite.

Linkola would feverishly enjoy using the red button depicted in the climate ad to liquidate skeptics, since he once observed that another world war would be “a happy occasion for the planet” because it would eradicate tens of millions of people.

As we have documented, although not going quite as far as Linkola, the eco-fascist movement is attracting prominent advocates, including James Lovelock, the creator of the Gaia hypothesis. Lovelock told the Guardian earlier this year that “democracy must be put on hold” to combat global warming and that “a few people with authority” should be allowed to run the planet.

This sentiment was echoed by author and environmentalist Keith Farnish, who in a recent book called for acts of sabotage and environmental terrorism in blowing up dams and demolishing cities in order to return the planet to the agrarian age. Prominent NASA global warming alarmist and Al Gore ally Dr. James Hansen endorsed Farnish’s book.

Another prominent figure in the climate change debate who exemplifies the violent and death-obsessed belief system of the movement is Dr. Eric R. Pianka, an American biologist based at the University of Texas in Austin. During a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in March 2006, Pianka advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the world’s population through the airborne ebola virus. The reaction from scores of top scientists and professors in attendance was not one of shock or revulsion – they stood and applauded Pianka’s call for mass genocide.

The current White House science czar John P. Holdren also advocates the most obscenely dictatorial, eco-fascist, and inhumane practices in the name of environmentalism. In his 1977 Ecoscience textbook, Holdren calls for a “planetary regime” to carry out forced abortions and mandatory sterilization procedures, as well as drugging the water supply, in an effort to cull the human surplus.

Given that these are the individuals at the forefront of the environmental movement, is it any surprise that we are now seeing their talking points appear in depraved and debauched infomercials like the 10:10 Global film, which openly promotes the idea of a “final solution” for dissenters who refuse to be brainwashed by the climate cult?

This movie proves beyond all doubt that the AGW alarmists have well and truly lost any rational scientific debate as to the causes of climate change and have just resorted to barbarous veiled threats about mutilating and killing anyone who disagrees with them.

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Although the organization behind this film hoped to mark down the 10th of October as a date on which their eco-fascist message would be widely broadcast and swallowed whole, as a direct result of the vulgar and frightening tone of this movie, all they’ve actually achieved is to plant the seed of their own destruction, and a guarantee that 10:10 will go down as another nail in the coffin of global warming alarmism.


Wow...that's pretty sick.

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Don't copy........that copy!

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The 76 Year War Finally Ends

October 7, 2010: Germany has made the final payment, of $96 million, to the reparations imposed on Germany after World War I. The initial amount of the reparations were $35 billion. Making the payments was hugely unpopular in German during the 1920s, and contributed to the Nazis rise to power. Most Germans resented the treaty that ended the war, and especially the reparations for "starting" the war. As far as starting World War I, everyone blamed everyone else, and there was certainly enough blame to go around. Arguably, it was the French, more than anyone else, that had the most to do with starting the war. But the French were on the winning side, so that argument did not fly at the time.
When the Nazis came to power in 1933, they halted payments. Even before that, the allies reduced the reparations amount by 50 percent in the 1920s. This did not lessen German anger at the reparations, and the lost territories that were another part of the peace treaty.

After World War II, Germany agreed to pay the principal on reparations and other debts incurred by Germany between 1919 and 1945. This amounted to $344 billion ($2.7 trillion in current dollars). But there was a clause in the agreement that Germany would make more payments, to account for the interest, only if Germany were reunited. This seemed unlikely at the time (1953), but in 1990, the unlikely came to pass. Germany then began making the twenty annual payments, as they had to agreed to in 1953. The last payment was made on October 3rd, 2010, 20 years after Germany was reunified. This finally closed the books on the reparations issue. The Great War, the War To End All Wars, the 76 Year War (that spawned World War II and the Cold War), was finally over. At least on paper.


Maybe they'll follow Dave Ramsey's snowball rule and roll the money from these debt payments into their WW2 reparations?


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One of the most epic on-screen smack downs I've seen in years.

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Reply #1368 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:43am
 
Can I hit both of these kids heads together until they both shut up?

I'd like to hear his answers...from questions other than the faux journalist of Rachel Maddow.

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Date: Friday Oct. 8, 2010 3:04 PM ET

Canadian suspects of serious crimes do not have a constitutional right to have a lawyer present during questioning by authorities, the Supreme Court of Canada said today.

In three decisions released Friday, a sharply divided court ruled on a suspect's right to have counsel, specifically whether the Charter's right to counsel extends beyond being able to call and talk to a lawyer after being arrested.

In the central case, the court ruled 5-4 that Canadians have no right to have a lawyer sit in during an interrogation.

"The charter does not mandate the presence of defence counsel throughout a custodial interrogation," the majority decision said. "Precedent is against this interpretation."

The court said police cannot force a suspect to participate in an interrogation, but that the suspect does not have the right to have a lawyer there if they chose to participate in the interrogation.

"The police are not empowered by the common law or by statute, and still less by our Constitution, to prevent or undermine the effective exercise by detainees of either their right to silence or their right to counsel, or to compel them against their clearly expressed wishes to participate in interrogations until confession," the court stated.

The court specifically noted Canadians do not have the same rights as Americans do during interrogations.

"We are not persuaded that the (American) Miranda rule should be transplanted in Canadian soil," the majority decision said. "Adopting procedural protections from other jurisdictions in a piecemeal fashion risks upsetting the balance that has been struck by Canadian courts and legislatures."

In the same case, along with two other judgments, the court said a suspect has no right to re-consult a lawyer midway through an interrogation, except under some particular circumstances.

"Police must give the detainee an additional opportunity to receive advice from counsel where developments in the course of the investigation make this necessary," the court stated.

The Supreme Court also said there is no right for a suspect to have a particular lawyer, if that lawyer cannot be reached within a reasonable amount of time.

Two of the three cases had pointed dissents, arguing for looser rules.


Writing in dissent, Justice Ian Binnie said the majority sided for continued reduction of the right to counsel.

"What now appears to be licensed is that a presumed innocent individual may be detained and isolated by the police for at least five or six hours without reasonable recourse to a lawyer, during which time the officers can brush aside assertions of the right to silence or demands to be returned to his or her cell, in an endurance contest in which the police interrogators, taking turns with one another, hold all the important legal cards," he said.

The appeals

The three cases were brought to the Supreme Court in separate appeals from two British Columbia men and one man from Alberta

In the central case, Trent Terrence Sinclair of British Columbia was convicted of manslaughter in 2003 and had lost his appeals in that province.

When he was arrested he was informed of his right to counsel and he spoke to his lawyer twice, for three minutes each time.

During a five-hour police interrogation, Sinclair stated five times that he wanted his lawyer present.

The police officer deflected the requests, saying Sinclair did not have the right to counsel during the interview. Sinclair eventually implicated himself in the death of Garry Grice.


"Can't force a suspect to partipate"?  How about having a sweat session for 14 straight hours?  36?  48?  No sleep, under pressure?  How is Canada so stupid?

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Police spokeswoman Sgt. Eren Stephens says a 36-year-old man was fueling up his SUV Tuesday evening on the city's west side when the carjacker approached him and demanded the vehicle at gunpoint.

Stephens tells the Detroit Free Press the carjacker shot the man in the face, and he returned fire. Cmdr. Steve Dolun tells The Detroit News the two exchanged at least 20 shots.

Stephens says the case appears to be self-defense but says the Wayne County prosecutor's office will decide. The man has a concealed weapon permit.

Stephens says the victim was in serious condition Wednesday.


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Remember to vote today everyone!

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Ya but after you get kicked out of the 3rd All You Can Eat Buffet because she takes it as a personal challenge...it starts getting...just sad.

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Reply #1374 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:12pm
 
I just got done voting.  The new "combined" voting facility in TR is a bit of a mess.  Exit polls are up on Drudge with early predictions:

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Wisconsin: Johnson (R) defeats Feingold (D)
North Dakota: Hoeven (R) defeats Potter (D)
Arkansas: Boozman (R) defeats Lincoln (D)
Ohio: Portman (R) defeats Fisher (D)


So far, so good.  Let's hope the Republicans don't end up squandering the victory.


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Rand Paul FTW!

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b0b wrote on Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:12pm:
I just got done voting.  The new "combined" voting facility in TR is a bit of a mess.  Exit polls are up on Drudge with early predictions:

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Wisconsin: Johnson (R) defeats Feingold (D)
North Dakota: Hoeven (R) defeats Potter (D)
Arkansas: Boozman (R) defeats Lincoln (D)
Ohio: Portman (R) defeats Fisher (D)


So far, so good.  Let's hope the Republicans don't end up squandering the victory.


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Oh yes, because the Republicans did such a great job last time they were in charge yes?  Anyone remember Bush Jr?
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The_Fat_Man wrote on Nov 3rd, 2010 at 2:30pm:
Oh yes, because the Republicans did such a great job last time they were in charge yes?  Anyone remember Bush Jr?


Bush who?

I kid, I kid!  Actually, the actions of the last Republic majority was the reason for the "squander" comment.  I'd like to think they'll actually make a move toward smaller government, more conservative fiscal policies, and improved freedoms.  I'm not holding my breath, though.


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That's one of those truths you'd almost rather not know about.


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Fun explanation of QE2!

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I first played with consumer-grade text-to-speech translation in 1992 on a Commodore 64.  It is unfortunate that voice quality hasn't improved much in the intervening 18 years.


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Actually, now that I've mentioned Miku Hatsune, someone just sent me a really nifty video of Miku in concert.  I have to give props to the folks that pulled of the dance animation.  Only in Japan could a robot pack a concert hall and top the music billboards!





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INWOOD — A group of seven mild-mannered chess players are due in criminal court next month after police officers from the 34th Precinct issued them summonses for playing their favorite board game in Inwood Hill Park.

The men were ticketed on Oct. 20 for being inside of Emerson Playground, a children's play area off limits to adults unaccompanied by minors. But the men were in an area furnished with stone chess and backgammon tables — separated from the play area by a fence.

"There is a problem in this area with drug dealing, but the police have time to write tickets to people playing chess?" asked Yacahudah Harrison, 48, one of the men who received a summons for "Fail[ing] to comply with signs."

The men said the police pulled right up to the corner of 207th Street and Seaman Avenue, and came directly to their table. Now they're due in criminal court on Dec. 28.

Captain Jose Navarro, of the 34th Precinct, told DNAinfo he had reviewed the ticket and stood by his officers' actions.

"Under my direction, uniformed officers routinely enter the parks to enforce closing times and other regulations; all designed to protect the community," he wrote in an e-mail.

"The NYPD allows for officers to issue summonses in lieu of effecting an arrest for appropriate offenses."

But Inwood residents expressed outrage that the NYPD would target the chess players in light of the men's history as caretakers and teachers for the next generation of Inwood chess players.

"This is a positive thing for our kids to see and do, it's a positive mental activity for them," said Regina Christoforatos, 38, whose 6-year-old daughter Zoe has been learning chess in the park.

Joanna Johnston, whose 7-year-old son learned how to play chess from the men at the playground, was moved to write a letter on the matter to the 34th Precinct, the City Council, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

"Crime is on the rise in the Inwood area according to the news and in addition to what we see and hear about in the neighborhood, is chess really something that should be considered a threat to the neighborhood?" she wrote.

"Couldn't they just move the tables?" Christoforatos asked.

The Parks Department did not respond to requests for comment.

For now, the chess players continue to play near the park on a makeshift table on top of the stone wall that lines the southwestern entrance to the park.


I think the scariest part of this article are the comments.  The number of people defending the police because "Those chess players might be pedophiles!" is both surprising and disheartening.  These are the same people that are defending TSAs new sexual molestation policy "because it makes us safer!!!!111111eleven".  Utter and complete crap.


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Umm...adult allowed with accompaniment of a minor?   Isn't it suppose to be the other way around?

Crazy...crazy world we live in on these last days of the late, great planet Earth.

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Daaaaaaaaaaang!

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Published: Dec. 17, 2010 at 8:06 PM

ZURICH, Switzerland, Dec. 17 (UPI) –– The giant Swiss bank UBS has given its staff a 43-page dress code that includes a dictum that women must wear flesh-colored undergarments.

While that rule has attracted the most attention, the code takes employees from toe (no fun socks and men should not wear the same pair of dress shoes two days in a row) to head (no hair dye for men and women should not have roots showing). The company even follows employees to the bathroom, advising women to take a hot shower and use body lotion to open pores before adding perfume discreetly, Deutsche Welle reported.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2010/12/17/UBS-dress-code-goes-from-toe-to-head/UPI-...


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That's nuts! They just need to have a rule that every employee will break so that they don't have to come up with a reason to fire someone.
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Ya, this info JUST came out this week.

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The California Supreme Court has ruled that police do not need a warrant to search a cell phone carried by someone under arrest.

The justices ruled Monday that a Ventura County deputy had the right to conduct a warrantless search of the text messages of a man he had arrested on suspicion of participating in a drug deal.

The state court ruled 5-2 that federal precedent affirms that police can search items found on defendants when they are arrested.


This isn't really an option for most cell phones, but make sure you encrypt everything else you've got, especially if it is portable!  For laptops and desktop computers, nothing beats full-drive encryption.


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B...b...but...but...Sarah Palin's name is around this incident...how can she NOT be involved?

Like violent video games and bad music caused school shootings!

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Looking for advice.

So I'm ready to soon purchase an AR-15 M4 model.  I've been reading and looking on cheaperthandirt.com.  It seems like the best would be a smaller barrel with a detachable carry handle (for a seperate purchase of a scope).  Would anyone else agree with this or can recommend something different?

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Neato! I also am looking, so I am excited to see if we have a local AR15 expert on the forums. I wonder...

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Ya and I want an optic sight but I can buy another AR-15 for the price of it so I'll want to get a standard scope then.

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Buying an AR is somewhat like buying a car.  There are a ton of manufacturers, several basic styles, and a ridiculous number of options and accessories.

I've got a few ARs now and I'm still looking at adding one more (always one more!) sometime soon.  I guess I would recommend shooting a couple to find out what works best for you guys.  Are you looking for a light "tactical" AR with a short-barrel?  These are often called CQB (close quarters battle) guns because the short barrel and light weight makes them well-suited for urban environments. If you're planning on doing any competitive shooting that involves "room clearing" exercises, this is a good fit.

Of course, there's also an appeal to heavier, longer-barreled ARs.  The heavier the gun, the lower the recoil.  The longer the barrel, the more accurate the gun will be.  For my next AR, I'm really aiming for a heavy, long-barreled beast that I can put a decent scope on.

There are several good manufacturers to choose from.  Bushmaster is my personal favorite.  They offer one of the largest varieties of platforms, options, and accessories on the market and they've got great customer service.  DPMS is another big manufacturer, and they have the best "build-your-own" website I've seen yet.  Give it a spin.  Rock River Arms also makes a fine AR, and they've been in the business for years.

Once you guys decide what type of AR you're looking for, let me know and I'll get more specific about my recommendations!


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10 Things That The Egypt Riots Can Teach Us About What Happens When Society Breaks Down:

But for the rest of us that are willing to learn, there are some things that have happened during these Egypt riots that are important lessons for all of us….

#1 When society breaks down, people look for whatever weapons they can find.  Over this past week, abandoned police stations throughout Egypt have been stripped of their arsenals by looters.

#2 When society breaks down, nobody is safe.  Average Egyptians “armed with sticks and razors” have formed vigilante groups to protect their homes from the crazed looters that have emerged during the rioting.

#3 When society breaks down, you better protect your women and children.  At least 60 rapes have been officially reported since the rioting began.  The unofficial number is surely far higher than that.

#4 When society breaks down, criminals do not fear the law.  There are reports that at least 4 prisons have been attacked and that thousands of convicts have escaped into the streets.

#5 When society breaks down, authoritarian governments begin hoarding food.  The Telegraph is reporting that governments throughout the Middle East and North Africa have started stockpiling huge amounts of food in response to all the rioting that has been going on.

#6 When society breaks down, food shortages can happen shockingly fast.  As commerce has been brought to a standstill in Egypt, serious shortages of some of the most important basic food staples are starting to be reported.  Many families in Egypt only have enough food to be able to survive for a couple more days.

#7 When society breaks down, respect for personal property goes out the window.  All over Egypt shops and businesses are being broken into and totally looted.

#8 When society breaks down, mobs will start doing some of the most stupid things imaginable.  According to Egypt’s top archaeologist, Zahi Hawass, looters broke into the Egyptian Museum during the rioting “and destroyed two pharaonic mummies”.

#9 When society breaks down, it always creates a “power void”.  The Obama administration is calling for an “orderly transition of power” in Egypt, but there is absolutely no guarantee that is going to happen – especially in a nation that has no history of legitimate democracy.

#10 When society breaks down, often outside influences are involved.  The individual being touted as the new “leader” of the protest movement in Egypt is Mohamed ElBaradei.


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There are several good manufacturers to choose from.  Bushmaster is my personal favorite.  They offer one of the largest varieties of platforms, options, and accessories on the market and they've got great customer service.  DPMS is another big manufacturer, and they have the best "build-your-own" website I've seen yet.  Give it a spin.  Rock River Arms also makes a fine AR, and they've been in the business for years.


Basically I'm looking for the AR-15 M-4 model with varying butt-stock with the possibility of a removable  carrying handle for the mounting of a scope.  I was thinking my first one to be a tactical model so about a 14-16" barrel.  Also I want it to be the .223/5.56 caliber one.  The problem is that it seems none of the sights you listed shows that classical style that is very easy to recognize as an AR-15 M-4.  Any help there?

Also, what would you suggest for a longer distance rifle?  Maybe not the AR-15?  Would you suggest another type of weapon?

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Kevin Lacy, chief traffic engineer for the state DOT, and the one who filed a complaint with the N.C. Board of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors, protested that in trying to have Computer Scientist David Cox investigated for his detailed complaint about a traffic intersection while not licensed as a professional engineer, "I'm not trying to hush him up."



More here:  http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/03/964781/citizen-activist-grates-on-state.h...

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RRA is a great retailer. (Or so I've heard)
http://www.rockriverarms.com/
You can call them and order your AR however you want. They list the basic parts(left side navigation) as well if you are interested in building one yourself. I wish I would have built mine.

If you want your AR for ranges 0-50 yards, get a red dot. EOtech, burris, or aimpoint all make good models. I got my red dot at On Target when I purchased my AR. This is the one I picked up used $110. It's ok, nothing fancy. http://www.burrisoptics.com/xts135.html
The rifle I picked up is the Remington R-15 with collapsible stock and 16" barrel. It's more of a predator rifle but I put a lot of rounds through it.

For a longer range rifle(and I mean LONG RANGE), I have the Remington 700 XCR TLR in a .300 Win Mag.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/centerfire-tactical/model-70...
The scope is a cheaper $300 model which I want to upgrade but I haven't shot past 250 yards yet. Not sure if I need to.

An AR-15 will shoot 250 yards easy with the proper optics. Oh and with the carry handle thing you're talking about, you can carry a gun by it's scope if you get good solid rings for it. It'll be fine.
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Congratulations, Egypt.  Now...do something with it...and quick...before the military starts liking their new power!

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It's about time!


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The city's government issued its demands in a statement on Wednesday that said Baghdad's infrastructure and aesthetics have been seriously damaged by the American military.


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Nothing says tyranny like the Obama administration's latest plan to legalize wiretapping for copyright infringement claims.  Check this out:

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Let's just skip the middleman and wiretap everyone, all the time (as though the NSA wasn't doing it already).


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You can now buy clothing with the 4th amendment printed on them in metallic ink, so they'll show up when you go through a scanner...

http://cargocollective.com/4thamendment

This is totally going on my Christmas list.


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Yeah, uhh... for Meredith!  Yeah, that's it!


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"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." - Sen. Barak Obama
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You have the POTUS...I give you the VP:





I guess it's only an impeachable offense when it's the guy from the other side of the isle.

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Simultaneously absurd and infuriating.  There isn't a chance in hell I'd allow this to happen to my child, even if it meant driving across the freakin' continent.



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I'd love to say "Good riddance!", but I have little hope that Raul will be any better than Fidel.


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The U.S. team took custody of bin Laden's remains. A U.S. official later said bin Laden had been buried at sea and the remains were handled in accordance with Islamic practice, which calls for speedy burial.


WHERE'S THE DEATH CERTIFICATE?!


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LAKE JACKSON, Texas – Today, 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul again took first place in a straw poll at a major conservative gathering. The Republican Leadership Conference held in New Orleans was the setting for Congressman Paul’s latest victory, winning with 40 percent of the vote over the rest of the Republican field.

“This win is just the latest indicator of how the majority of American opinion is turning in Ron Paul’s direction,” said Jesse Benton, Paul campaign chairman. “Listening to all the other speakers and candidates, you hear them saying the things that Dr. Paul has been saying for years, and they are saying it because they know that’s what Americans are looking for right now.

“The American people want and deserve someone who will tell them the truth, tell them what needs to be done, and who has an untouchable record of consistency to back it up.”


Admittedly, Ron Paul wins just about every straw poll, but it's always heartening to hear that some folks are willing to put some thought behind their vote.


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You guys already know who I'm supporting!

Run, Paul, Run!

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/06/union-curbs-rescue-wisconsin-scho...

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I can't wait to see the liberal spin on this one.  I'm sure the union bosses are having an aneurysm right about now.


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My old roommate had his ISP account info subpoena'd by a film company for the time when I lived with him. I'm going to help him pay for the lawyer. That's all I can say...
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Was it an adult film company?


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Another loony bill proposed by a few congressmen... however unlikely it is it will go anywhere, it shows the dangerous thinking going on at upper levels.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:h2411:

HR 2411 states that every worker in America should be able to voluntarily have a portion of his/her wages automatically withheld and sent directly to the Treasury Department for the purposes of paying down the federal debt.

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“Every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and withhold upon such wages any amounts so elected, and shall pay such amounts over to the Secretary of the Treasury…”


HR 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the federal debt IS NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Imagine this scenario: You make $100,000/year. In a fit of complete insanity, you decide that you want to withhold your entire annual salary to pay down the debt. Hey, you can always move in with mom for the next year, right?

Well guess what– Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then STILL expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 that you earned, so you’d have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.
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I'd like to introduce a bill that requires those representatives to pay their entire salary toward the national debt.


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b0b wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:01pm:
Was it an adult film company?


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Nope it was Hurt Locker...  Undecided
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Stick wrote on Jul 18th, 2011 at 8:50am:
Nope it was Hurt Locker...  Undecided


Wow, that lawsuit is pretty infamous.  The legal firm running the operation is doing it purely for profit, as opposed to the misguided **AA suits.  Their cases keep getting thrown out of court, though, so you might be safe merely ignoring it.


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Gosh, if you're going to get pinched...I'd hate for it to be on such a horrible and undeserving of any recognition movie!

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Why don't you just throw him a shovel while you're at it?


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A massive coordinated terrorist attack took place in Norway yesterday.  One large bomb detonated in the city center, and two others failed to detonate.

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A small island used for retreats and summer camps was simultaneously attacked by a gunman.  It's reported that up to 30 children were killed.


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Apparently, it was a right-wing Norwegian mason:

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Surprise...surprise...a Freemason who is committing acts of evil.  Sounds like he made it to the point where they reveal the "angel of light" is Satan and he's just the other half of god.
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The death count for the youth camp is now over 80.  That's a whole new brand of f'ed up, if you ask me.


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Regrettably, I read the details of him hunting down his victims. Absolutely disgusting and I wish the swat had been there in time or something, anything would have stopped him. Horrifying, the things people can do.
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WASHINGTON (AP) –– With bipartisan debt-limit talks deadlocked, House Republicans and Senate Democrats readied rival emergency fallback plans Sunday in hopes of reassuring world financial markets the U.S. government will avoid an unprecedented default.

In a conference call, Speaker John Boehner summoned his conservative rank and file to swing behind a "new measure" that could clear both houses of Congress.

"It won't be `Cut, Cap and Balance' as we passed it," he said, referring to a measure –– killed in the Senate on Friday –– that would have required spending cuts of an estimated $6 trillion as well as congressional approval of a constitutional balanced budget amendment for ratification by the states.

The new approach is "going to require some of you to make some sacrifices," he added, according to a person familiar with his remarks.


It's nice to see Boehner and the Republican party are already capitulating to the Democrats.  Apparently, he isn't willing to stand his ground until he gets the Democrats to agree to tax cuts, so he's falling back to the alternative of increasing taxes without cutting spending.

Enjoy your paychecks while they last.


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Reply #1440 - Jul 25th, 2011 at 12:56am
 
I'm sorry...I must be going crazy in my old age of 27...which side is which again?  I can't seem to keep them straight anymore.

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Reply #1441 - Jul 26th, 2011 at 9:24am
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/world/europe/26police.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&...

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When a man dressed in a police uniform began slaughtering young people at a Norwegian summer camp last week, one of the first to be killed was a real police officer named Trond Berntsen, who for years had worked in security at the camp.

Whether Officer Berntsen tried to stop the gunman is still being debated. But facing a man carrying multiple guns and ample ammunition, there was little he could do. Like most other police officers here, he had no weapon.

By law, Norwegian police officers must have authorization from their chief to gain access to a firearm, but they have rarely needed to ask, until recently. Violent crime has been steadily increasing, jolting a society used to leaving doors unlocked and children to play without fear. Coupled with growing criticism over the police’s slow response time to the attacks and confusion about the death toll, which was lowered Monday to 76 from 93, there are growing questions about whether the police are equipped to deal with the challenges.

“Criminals are now carrying weapons, so some people now think that police officers should have weapons as well,” said Gry Jorunn Holmen, a spokeswoman for the Norwegian police union. Though she said it was too early to make any assessments, Ms. Holmen said the union had formed a commission to explore the issue. For the police, she said, “it’s getting tougher.”



Freakin Europe. This whole "disarm the good guys" schtick that is seeping its way into American lawmakers heads has got to stop.
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Reply #1442 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 8:47am
 
Yeah, the whole "Stop!  Or I'll say stop again!" mentality is ridiculous.  It'd be nice if this lead to laxer gun laws that encouraged concealed carry, but we all know this will push Norway in the opposite direction.


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Reply #1443 - Jul 27th, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
I guess the police need to get verbal and written permission from the police chief to check out guns.  Well that beats the American saying of "when seconds matter, the police are just minutes away".  In Norway, they must be hours away.

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Leaning against a wall during a recent Birmingham, Alabama, public hearing, Bryant listened to an overflow crowd pepper federal officials with concerns about businesses polluting the drinking water and causing cases of cancer.

After two hours, Bryant—a coal mine owner from Jasper—had heard enough and, in a moment being described as "right out of Atlas Shrugged,” took his turn at the microphone:

"Nearly every day without fail…men stream to these [mining] operations looking for work in Walker County. They can’t pay their mortgage. They can’t pay their car note. They can’t feed their families. They don’t have health insurance. And as I stand here today, I just…you know…what’s the use? I got a permit to open up an underground coal mine that would employ probably 125 people. They’d be paid wages from $50,000 to $150,000 a year. We would consume probably $50 million to $60 million in consumables a year, putting more men to work. And my only idea today is to go home. What’s the use? I see these guys—I see them with tears in their eyes—looking for work. And if there’s so much opposition to these guys making a living, I feel like there’s no need in me putting out the effort to provide work for them. So…basically what I’ve decided is not to open the mine. I’m just quitting. Thank you.”


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Reply #1445 - Jul 28th, 2011 at 10:12pm
 
Wow....

Depressing. Makes you wonder where the government gets its "jobs created" statistics...
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Reply #1446 - Jul 29th, 2011 at 2:56pm
 
Wow, that is STRAIGHT from Atlas Shrugged.  I'm currently reading that book too, weird.

As I'm increasing my knowledge and leaning further into Libertarianism I figured I should read the one Ayn Rand book I haven't yet that's a staple of most Libertarians.  I really enjoyed The Fountainhead which I challenged myself to read in high school (anyone else remember reading a 5th grade reading level book in Ms. Lynn's college writing in HS?) and that was a good instrument into forming what I thought about myself and how I let what others viewed me as effect me/not effect me.

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Reply #1447 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 12:12am
 
For those that ask why shouldn't gun owners register their weapons?  These people did nothing wrong!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/police-seize-guns-in-northwestern-sub...

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POLICE have vowed to "dry up the supply" of guns and ammunition in the northwestern suburbs after the past week's triple shooting that left two men dead and another in hospital.
Raids yesterday morning by detectives working in Taskforce Acer 17 netted firearms police feared could be passed to criminals.

The weapons were held legally by registered gun owners, but police intelligence revealed 20 had "connections to family or associates who were persons of interest to the Acer Taskforce team".

Officers simultaneously hit 21 properties at 8am to ensure the licence holders were complying with all conditions.

A total of 21 guns - including 15 shotguns and ammunition for an AK47 rife - were seized.

The raids came after two men - one being convicted criminal Omar Taha - were shot dead at CBD Smash Repairs in Florence St, Brunswick, on Thursday afternoon.

A third man, Ali Kassab, 25, is believed to have been shot in the arm and leg and is receiving treatment at the Royal Melbourne Hospital while under arrest and with a police guard.

All three men were known to police and it is believed the shooting happened because of a $50,000 debt.

The homicide squad and Santiago taskforce are continuing to investigate.

The licence raids yesterday - carried out by Acer Taskforce, which supports Santiago - were in Greenvale, Meadow Heights, Campbellfield, Coburg, Fawkner, Hadfield, Reservoir, Preston, Brunswick West, Altona North, Altona Meadows, Hoppers Crossing and Keilor East.


Wow, good thing I don't want to live in Australia.

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Reply #1448 - Aug 21st, 2011 at 11:46am
 
Yeah, the day the government tells me they have the right to "inspect" me for "compliance" is the day I move.


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Here's a nifty short video (ten minutes or so) showing a dystopic American future in which the Department of Homeland Security has overtaken the country.  The good guys fight back...

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It's not often foreign leaders are chastised by al-Qaeda for going too far in their critique of the United States––but Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has somehow managed the trick. Ahmadinejad is already facing bruising attacks at home from conservative Iranian clerics and politicians on several fronts––and now al Qaeda representatives are assailing him for peddling conspiracy theories that deny the terrorist group's culpability for the Sept. 11 attacks.

According to the new issue of "Inspire" magazine––the English-language propaganda outlet put out by the group's Yemeni affiliate al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)––Ahmadinejad insulted the terrorist group by renewing past conspiratorial claims about the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon during his speech before the United Nations last week.

"The mysterious September 11 incident" merits an investigation into possible "hidden elements involved" seeking a pretext for America's invasion of the Middle East, Ahmadinejad suggested in his Sept. 22 address to the world body––prompting an immediate walk-out by the United States and several European delegations.

And it seems that this was all a bit much for al Qaeda.

"The Iranian government has professed on the tongue of its president Ahmadinejad that it does not believe that al Qaeda was behind 9/11 but rather, the U.S. government," an article in Inspire's latest issue argued, according to ABC News' Lee Ferrin. "So we may ask the question: why would Iran ascribe to such a ridiculous belief that stands in the face of all logic and evidence?"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/al-qaeda-slams-iran-peddling-9-11-conspiracy-1...


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President Obama’s Agriculture Department today announced that it will impose a new 15-cent charge on all fresh Christmas trees—the Christmas Tree Tax—to support a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees.

In the Federal Register of November 8, 2011, Acting Administrator of Agricultural Marketing David R. Shipman announced that the Secretary of Agriculture will appoint a Christmas Tree Promotion Board. The purpose of the Board is to run a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry” (7 CFR 1214.46(n)). And the program of “information” is to include efforts to “enhance the image of Christmas trees and the Christmas tree industry in the United States” (7 CFR 1214.10).



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Here's the mandate within the Federal Register:

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Reply #1452 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 12:42pm
 
Cause this is clearly in the Constitution.

Also, the government doesn't generate any product...it consumes.  So any tax levied IS profit for them.
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Well that was quick.

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The U.S. Department of Agriculture is going to delay implementation and revisit a proposed new 15 cent fee on fresh-cut Christmas trees,  sources tell ABC News. The fee, requested by the National Christmas Tree Association in 2009, was first announced in the Federal Registry yesterday and has generated criticism of President Obama from conservative media outlets.

The well-trafficked Drudge Report is leading with the story, linking to a blog by David Addington, a former top aide to then-Vice President Dick Cheney, at the conservative Heritage Foundation assailing the president thus: “The economy is barely growing and nine percent of the American people have no jobs. Is a new tax on Christmas trees the best President Obama can do? And, by the way, the American Christmas tree has a great image that doesn’t need any help from the government.”

The National Christmas Tree Association says the fee would fund a program “designed to benefit the industry and will be funded by the growers” and is “not expected to have any impact on the final price consumers pay for their Christmas tree.” According to the Federal Registry, the proposed Christmas Tree Promotion Board, which would be funded by the new fee, would launch a “program of promotion, research, evaluation, and information designed to strengthen the Christmas tree industry’s position in the marketplace; maintain and expend existing markets for Christmas trees; and to carry out programs, plans, and projects designed to provide maximum benefits to the Christmas tree industry” and to “enhance the image of Christmas trees and the Christmas tree industry in the United States.”

White House spokesman Matt Lehrich told ABC News that despite some media coverage, “I can tell you unequivocally that the Obama Administration is not taxing Christmas trees. What’s being talked about here is an industry group deciding to impose fees on itself to fund a promotional campaign, similar to how the dairy producers have created the ‘Got Milk?’ campaign.”

Nonetheless, the criticisms have apparently had an impact as the program is now being delayed.

“USDA is going to delay implementation and revisit this action,” Lehrich said.

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Reply #1454 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:20pm
 
Wow, check out that backpedaling!

I'll give a Benjamin to the first person that can find the "Got Milk?" campaign in the Federal Register.


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Reply #1455 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:04pm
 
Here's your daily dose of paranoia, just in time for afternoon tea.  Google Mappers have found some very odd constructs out in the middle of some random Chinese desert.

http://www.slashgear.com/massive-networks-of-stripes-appear-in-chinese-desert-14...


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Looks like the US govt. gave their explanation for the pattern above.

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Newfound Google Maps images have revealed an array of mysterious structures and patterns etched into the surface of China's Gobi Desert. The media — from mainstream to fringe — has wildly speculated that they might be Chinese weapons-testing sites, satellite calibration targets, street maps of Washington, D.C., and New York City, or even messages to (or from) aliens.

It turns out that they are almost definitely used to calibrate China's spy satellites.

So says Jonathon Hill, a research technician and mission planner at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University, which operates many of the cameras used during NASA's Mars missions. Hill works with images of the Martian surface taken by rovers and satellites, as well as data from Earth-orbiting NASA instruments.

The grids of zigzagging white lines seen in two of the images — the strangest of the various desert structures — are spy satellite calibration targets. Satellite cameras focus on the grids, which measure approximately 0.65 miles wide by 1.15 miles long, and use them to orient themselves in space. [Gallery: Mysterious Structures In China's Gobi Desert]

The existence of these calibration targets may seem suspicious or revelatory, but Hill said it really isn't; China was already known to operate spy satellites, and many other countries (including the United States) do so as well. In fact, the U.S. also uses calibration targets. "An example I found just now is a calibration target for the Corona spy satellites, built back in the 1960s, down in Casa Grande, Ariz., [at coordinates] 32° 48' 24.74" N, 111° 43' 21.30" W," Hill told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to LiveScience.

The 65-foot-wide white lines that make up China's grids are not made of reflective metal as many news sites have suggested. "They have gaps in them where they cross little natural drainage channels and the lines themselves are not perfectly filled in, with lots of little streaks and uneven coverage. I think it's safe to say these are some kind of paint," Hill said, noting that if they were made of white dust or chalk, the wind would have caused them to streak visibly.

The calibration targets are larger than might have been expected, he said, suggesting that the satellite cameras they are being used to calibrate have surprisingly poor ground resolution.

Another strange image taken not far away shows a Stonehenge-like arrangement of objects radiating outward, with fighter jets parked at its center. "This is almost certainly a calibration/test target for orbital radar instruments," Hill said. "Since a significant amount of radar return is due to differences in surface roughness, they're probably testing ways of making the areas around planes 'bumpy' enough that the planes are partially masked."

In other words, the Chinese military probably uses radar instruments to send signals down at the target from above, and determine how much radar bounces back to the instruments from the fighter jets, and how much gets scattered by the Stonehenge-like arrangement of bumps surrounding them. From this, the country's radar experts can learn how best to hide China's military operations from other countries' satellites, and possibly get clues for how to find carefully hidden objects in other countries. However, the fact that the planes are made out of metal will increase their radar return and make it very hard to completely mask them, Hill said.

Since the initial reports of these structures became widespread, industrious readers of the gadget blog Gizmodo have spotted a few more interesting structures in China. One, Hill said, appears to be a weapons testing zone, perhaps for evaluating explosives. Elsewhere, a giant grid resembles a Yagi antenna array. Instruments like this can be used for any number of things, such as weather tracking, space weather tracking and high-altitude atmospheric research.

Hill noted that most of these structures are quite closer to each other. "I think we're seeing some sort of military zone/test range, which explains the large amount of equipment and technology in an otherwise remote area," he said. "Sometimes the truth can be just as interesting, if not more so, than the conspiracies that people come up with."
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Reply #1457 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 9:11am
 
I was looking for the Popular Science article Briney had posted and I had to use google.
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Reply #1458 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 4:16pm
 
I searched for "Popular" using the forum search and Briney's post was the ninth hit.  I searched again for "Popular Science" and selected the "Match as Phrase" option, and it was the second hit, but only because your last post showed up first.  Here's the link to the thread:

http://www.twncommunications.net/Forum/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1272299877/14#1...

Did you change the date range to "All Posts"?  It defaults to one week, which isn't going to show you much.


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Reply #1459 - Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:18pm
 
Must have been the date range. I was just using the little search in the upper right hand corner which wasn't giving me those options.

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Wow, I never even noticed that feature.  ;p

Yeah, it looks like that search just uses the default range of one week.


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“Just got a call from @senrandpaul,” Bagley tweeted at about 10 a.m. on Monday. “He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”

Texas Congressman and current Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul – Sen. Rand Paul’s father – placed a post on Facebook about the news as well. “My son Rand is currently being detained by the TSA at the Nashville Airport,” Ron Paul posted. “I’ll share more details as the situation unfolds.”

Sen. Rand Paul’s Facebook page has a post about the incident too. “Senator Paul is being detained at the Nashville Airport by the TSA,” Sen. Rand Paul’s Facebook post reads. “We will update you as the situation develops.”


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Obama's proposal, released on Monday, would raise the taxes investors pay on dividends to the top income tax rate, now at 35 percent, but scheduled to rise to near 40 percent next year.


Fan-frickin'-tastic.  Let's penalize retirees and your "average joe" investor.  That'll help the economy!

I just started building a dividend reinvestment program (DRIP) last year, and a 40% tax rate will most certainly kill off that ambition.  I guess it's back to traditional "buy and hold" for me.


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Reply #1463 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 3:33pm
 
Capital gains tax is WAY to low right now for sure.  Although I think it should be closer to the 20% most people pay on income tax rather than 40%....seems a bit ridiculous.
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Any Republicans voting in the Republican primary next week?
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Stick wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:44am:
Any Republicans voting in the Republican primary next week?


I'll be there, and let me tell you, I am thrilled about our selection of candidates.


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Yes, and Ron Paul will be my write in candidate to the end.
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1


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Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.


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It needs that capacity because, according to a recent report by Cisco, global Internet traffic will quadruple from 2010 to 2015, reaching 966 exabytes per year. (A million exabytes equal a yottabyte.) In terms of scale, Eric Schmidt, Google’s former CEO, once estimated that the total of all human knowledge created from the dawn of man to 2003 totaled 5 exabytes. And the data flow shows no sign of slowing. In 2011 more than 2 billion of the world’s 6.9 billion people were connected to the Internet. By 2015, market research firm IDC estimates, there will be 2.7 billion users. Thus, the NSA’s need for a 1-million-square-foot data storehouse. Should the agency ever fill the Utah center with a yottabyte of information, it would be equal to about 500 quintillion (500,000,000,000,000,000,000) pages of text.
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Reply #1468 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:13am
 
I'm certainly not trying to defend the NSA, but much of that article is absolutely nuts.  A yottabyte of capacity?  That is completely beyond reckoning, even for the NSA.

To put this in perspective, the largest storage appliance made by NetApp is the FAS 6280.  It's an absolute beast and it takes up six network racks in their entirety.  That unit has a capacity of 4,230TB, or 4.23PB.  You would need 231,481,482 of those systems to produce a single yottabyte of storage, and that doesn't include the substantial additional racks (we're talking a few million of them) to provide sufficient parity.  It also doesn't include the insane number of supplementary systems (UPS, power distribution, networking, cooling, etc) you would need for that type of infrastructure.

The list price on a fully-loaded FAS6280 is probably in the neighborhood of a million dollars.  Even if you assume the government gets a substantial bulk purchase discount and only pays $500,000 per unit, you're still talking about 115 trillion dollars, and again, that doesn't include anything but the storage itself.

Here's some nifty math.  A petabyte is equivalent to 250,000 ripped DVDs.  A yottabyte would be equivalent to 250 trillion DVDs.


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I guess they should have bolded this part:

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Better for the drama of the article that they don't point all that out i suppose lol.
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Patrick's living room in a year or 2:

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Here is Briney's pic:

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That is one of the most amazing video game collections I've ever seen.  Many of the platforms can be recognized by the packaging.  There are some interesting modded consoles on the back shelf, too, including a white N64, a yellow GameCube, and a green PS1.


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Bruce Schneier, the security expert who coined the term "security theater" to describe the Transportation Security Agency's airport screening procedures, was uninvited from speaking on a Monday Congressional panel at the insistence of the TSA.

In a blog post, Schneier reports that he had been officially scheduled to appear at a hearing sponsored by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, but received word on Friday that he had been removed from the witness list.

"The excuse was that I am involved in a lawsuit against the TSA, trying to get them to suspend their full-body scanner program," Schneier wrote. "But it's pretty clear that the TSA is afraid of public testimony on the topic, and especially of being challenged in front of Congress."


More here:  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/gunshy-tsa-gets-critic-booted-fr...

For those who aren't familiar with Mr. Schneier, he's a cryptography expert by trade and has written the foremost academic text on the subject, Applied Cryptography.  I sincerely hope the story of this "disinvitation" is widely spread and gets some attention from chairman Issa.

I guess the thing that really irritates me is that a government agency is forcing the hand of a congressional committee.  That's not how it's supposed to work.  If I ran the committee, I'd never consider dropping Schneier, and if the TSA had a problem with it and wanted to withdraw, I'd subpoena the entire administrative staff if I had to.


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Doesn't the Congress want to appear at least a little competent and have at least a little bit of both sides arguing.  You don't see the Supreme Court just inviting the govt. side into the health care debate.  You don't see police setting policy based on only one criminal theory.

This is why their approval rating's at 12%.  How can an executive agency tell the legislative agency what to do?!  Why does Congress want to give up their power?!
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Reply #1476 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 5:24pm
 
My guess is that Issa is trying to avoid an Executive Powers debate.  If he subpoenaed TSA, they could easily drop the Executive Powers card and go silent.  I really don't see how that could be a problem, though, since they're effectively running the show at this point and saying nothing beyond their carefully scripted responses.


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A horse is a horse, of course.

That's why business owners are getting nervous about a new federal regulation requiring a particular breed of horse to be allowed into shops and restaurants across the country.

The Justice Department regulations were tailored for so-called "service" horses -- miniature horses that, like service dogs, accompany the blind and others with disabilities to help them get around.

But the rules were a lawsuit waiting to happen, according to critics. And sure enough, a suit was filed earlier this month in Los Angeles, by a man who uses a wheelchair and keeps a miniature horse named Princess -- and who claims a local GameStop and Marshalls refused him and his horse service.



More here:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/29/businesses-face-lawsuit-fears-as-feds...

If I ever go blind and simultaneously win a hojillion dollars, I'm going to pay someone to train a war elephant as my service animal.  Then I'm going to take a tour of the Capitol.  Perhaps the Justice Department would realize the error of their ways when Sir Stomps-a-lot accidentally craps in one of their cubicles.


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One of the Internet's basic tenets—the right to be as much of a myopic, infantile asshat as humanly possible—is currently under attack in Arizona. A sweeping update to the state's telecommunications harrasment bill could make naughty, angry words a Class 1 misdemeanor. Or worse.

It's a dangerous precedent, yet another bill written and supported by legislators who fundamentally don't understand the nature of the internet. And I'm not just being a, well, you know.

Arizona House Bill 2549 passed both legislative houses last Thursday and is now awaiting approval from Arizona's governor Brewer. The statute states that:

    "It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to use a ANY ELECTRONIC OR DIGITAL DEVICE and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or property of any person."


More here:  http://gizmodo.com/5898585/itll-soon-be-illegal-to-troll-in-arizona

Another incredibly poorly written cyber-crime law.  Good job, Arizona!  Why don't you just bite the bullet and ban the Interwebs altogether?


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They, of course, don't mean themselves with this law though!

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Reply #1480 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:48pm
 
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Rating firm Egan-Jones cuts its credit rating on the U.S. government to "AA" from "AA+" with a negative watch, citing a lack of progress in cutting the mounting federal debt.


More here:  http://www.cnbc.com/id/46970602/Egan_Jones_Cuts_US_Credit_Rating_to_AA_Citing_De...

It looks like we're going to need some more hope and change to dig ourselves out of this one!


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Reply #1481 - Apr 11th, 2012 at 7:53pm
 
The football this year will be the fact that the US is going to hit its debt ceiling again this September, right before the election. And we all know what a zoo that was last year! 16 trillion in debt here we come!
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And we all know how to fix the debt.  Tax those freeloaders making less than $18k single or $23k married!  They are all driving around in their solid gold cars and whatnot while I pay taxes.


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Reply #1483 - Apr 12th, 2012 at 9:34am
 
Hey Fox News, I found your next car!




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The thing almost rolled after taking a slight left!
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This is why Top Gear is the greatest show ever!
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I would so rock that around the shop here!

And no, Top Gear is only a good show if you don't care about stupid shit like facts about cars or whatnot.  That is one show that can get me screaming at the TV.
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Reply #1488 - Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:41am
 
I thought this was an interesting story.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-market-slowly-dying

I'm not sure I completely buy it, but I was curious of your thoughts.

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The colonists put up with British oppression for decades, but when the Brits came for their guns, the line was finally drawn.

April 19th, 1775.
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday endorsed a movement announced by other congressional Democrats on Wednesday to ratify an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would allow Congress to regulate political speech when it is engaged in by corporations as opposed to individuals.

The First Amendment says in part: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

Television and radio networks, newspapers, publishing houses, movie studios and think tanks, as well as political action committees, are usually organized as, or elements of, corporations.


More here:  http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelosi-amend-first-amendment

This is a particularly disheartening bit of commentary considering my previous post in this thread.  I can only hope that Pelosi's radically left-wing approach will put her beyond the bounds of her own party.


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Stewie is going to go nuts over this guy!


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MASSAPEQUA, N.Y. — One of the world’s most prolific bootleggers of Hollywood DVDs loves his morning farina. He has spent eight years churning out hundreds of thousands of copies of "The Hangover,” "Gran Torino” and other first-run movies from his small Long Island apartment to ship overseas.

"Big Hy” — his handle among many loyal customers — would almost certainly be cast as Hollywood Enemy No. 1 but for a few details. He is actually Hyman Strachman, a 92-year-old, 5-foot-5 World War II veteran trying to stay busy after the death of his wife. And he has sent every one of his copied DVDs, almost 4,000 boxes of them to date, free to American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.


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Way to stick it to the Man, old guy!


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Here's your daily conspiracy theory:

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A longtime technician in the Los Angeles County Coroner's office has died. He was 61. What makes it suspicious? He was "seemingly healthy," yet "suddenly stricken" and he may have died from arsenic poisoning. And he died last week ––the same week Andrew Brietbart's autopsy report was released.

Authorities are looking into Michael Cormier's death. He became ill on Friday, April 20th, suffering from nausea and vomiting, and was rushed to the hospital. He died a short time later. The LAPD says there was no obvious sign that Cormier died of natural causes.

"At this point we haven't ruled out foul play," said a police spokesman.


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What do you make of that, Stewie?


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I'll blame it on the wife first.
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Here's some poor old guy getting oppressed by "the man" in front of my house.  He was neither tazed nor was his dog shot.

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Damn hooligans.  This neighborhood is going to hell in a handbasket!


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Yesterday, One World Trade Center became the tallest building in New York City once again.  Suck that terrorist scum!
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Back in February, U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) promised to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress if Holder didn't hand over Justice Department documents that had been subpoenaed as part of an ongoing investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives' now-infamous "Operation Fast and Furious" gun-walking operation. 

This week, Rep. Issa--chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee--made good on the pledge and sent out a draft Contempt Order against Holder to members of the committee.  The document makes a case for holding the beleaguered U.S. Attorney General in contempt of Congress due to his ongoing refusal to cooperate with the investigation.  While not actually citing Holder with contempt, the document does establish grounds for the charge.


It's about time Issa kept his word.  The ATF's Fast and Furious operation put thousands of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, leading to countless deaths in Mexico and the death of a Border Patrol agent in the United States.  It is absolutely unacceptable for the Department of Justice to withhold information from Congress regarding this program.  I would love to see Holder in a jail cell until he's willing to comply.


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Yesterday, the Michigan House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to repeal the state handgun “permit-to-purchase” and registration requirements.  House Bill 5225 passed in the state House by a 74 to 36 vote.  HB 5225 would repeal the bureaucratic state “permit-to-purchase” handguns and instead utilize the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System.  House Bill 5498 and House Bill 5499 also passed in the state House along with HB 5225.  These three bills now go to the state Senate where they will be assigned to the appropriate committees.

HB 5225, sponsored by state Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93), which became obsolete when the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) took effect in 1998.  Under the current state process, gun buyers must apply with their local law enforcement agency and pass a written test before being authorized to buy a handgun.  This “permit” is valid for only one gun and it expires after ten days.  Since 1998, federal law has required a national criminal records check for the purchase of any firearm, from any gun dealer, in every state.

Some of the key points of HB 5225 as amended are:
•      Repeal the state requirement to seek police permission to purchase a firearm by traveling to a local police station and obtaining a permit to purchase.
•      Repeal the requirement to register a completely legally purchased and owned firearm by a law-abiding citizen to be registered with the government through the police.
•      Adopt the use of the federally-funded National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
•      Default to the federal standard of prohibited persons and each purchase would still require a background check.
•      Cut Michigan’s costs by using the federally-administered national instant background check system and eliminate wasted man-hours of tracking lawful gun owners in Michigan.

The NRA has been working diligently to repeal this antiquated, costly and unnecessary obstacle for gun owners and has coordinated with several state Representatives to produce the new language for HB 5225.  HB 5498, sponsored by state Representative Richard LeBlanc (D-18), provides for the legal penalties relating to firearms and other weapons.   HB 5499, sponsored by state Representative Ray Franz (R-101), clarifies the regulations regarding the sale of firearms to “prohibited persons” and makes them consistent with federal standards.


Things just keep getting better and better!  If this passes, I think I'll burn my "green cards" (the cards issued following a "safety inspection") in a ceremonial bonfire.


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That is awesome!  Now to wait on the "gun-free zone" disbans...that would make my year!

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Reply #1500 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 10:56am
 
So, did you guys hear about the huge battle in Alpena the other day?  Yeah, me either.  This article is full of fail and AIDS.

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A shocking Federal Security Service (FSB) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that last week an “intense” battle erupted in the US State of Michigan between military forces loyal to the Obama regime and American rebels that killed at least 380 men, women and children who had gathered to oppose their nations slide towards a totalitarian dictatorship.

According to this report, nearly 500 people opposed to the Obama regime had assembled for a “clandestine” meeting in the Michigan country of Alpena in an effort to form a 50-State alliance of local law enforcement and political officers seeking to “turn the tide” of their nations path towards dictatorship even, should it be necessary, by armed force.

The FSB states in this report that hostilities erupted when the American rebel forces gathered at this meeting indentified “several” undercover FBI informants who were seeking to “escalate tensions” and arrested them whereupon, “within minutes,” a contingent of “heavily armed” Obama regime federal police forces attempted to, in turn, arrest these rebel leaders.


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Reply #1501 - Jun 18th, 2012 at 11:12am
 
That is pretty crazy.  Are they saying that there were similar things here in the Kzoo/BC area related to the radiation, or is the radiation travelling that far?

Regardless, MI is a crazy place.

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Reply #1502 - Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:56am
 
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President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against the attorney general by Republicans in the House.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.


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Always nice to see an old fashioned White House coverup.  Lest we forget, "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."


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Reply #1503 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 9:02am
 
Charlie Rangel somehow managed to win the democratic primary in New York City.  I guess eleven ethics violations aren't that big of a deal over there.

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Reply #1504 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 2:13pm
 
Victory is on the way!

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After well over a year of digging into the Fast and Furious scandal and being stonewalled by the Department of Justice, the full House of Representatives began paving the way for a contempt vote.  The initial vote passed by a margin of 254-173.  There will be some additional resolutions, and a final vote is anticipated around 4:00pm tonight.


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Reply #1505 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 4:57pm
 
VICTORY!



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Seventeen Democrats joined with 238 Republicans to vote for the contempt charges against Holder, while over 100 Democrats did not vote, most of them symbolically walking out of the House chamber in protest.
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Reply #1506 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 6:31am
 
That is just great.  Now, let's see if they do more than shake their fingers at him.
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Reply #1507 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Well, considering one of his employees gets to decide whether or not to prosecute him, I doubt this will go any further than this.


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Reply #1508 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:07pm
 
Ron Paul floated a bill to audit the Fed, and it managed to pass in the House today.  There's a reasonable chance the Senate will shoot it down.  I'm hoping this makes it through, though, as it could provide a lot of insight into how the Fed has been handling things over the past few years.


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Reply #1509 - Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
Unfortunately I believe Senator Reid wont even bring it up for vote in the Senate
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Weird

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Texas Rep. Ron Paul questions Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke on July 21, 2009 (Photo: AP)

The House of Representatives approved Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul’s “Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2012″ by a wide margin in a 327-98 vote Wednesday. But lost in the bipartisan revelry was the fact that eight co-sponsors of the legislation actually voted against it.

Spokesmen for each of these congressmen were contacted by The Daily Caller on Thursday, and none were keen on providing an explanation.

The bill would allow the Government Accountability Office to conduct a thorough audit of the Federal Reserve System, tremendously increasing transparency and accountability, in theory.

All House Republicans voted in favor of the bill, except for New York Rep. Bob Turner. Ninety-seven Democrats — notably including the party’s House leadership — voted against the bill, and 89 Democrats voted in favor.

The eight co-sponsors, all Democrats, that voted against their own legislation not only sponsored the 2012 bill, but each also co-sponsored its 2009 incarnation.

A spokesman for California Democratic Rep. Pete Stark merely informed TheDC, “He did not release a statement,” and declined to explain his about-face.

Spokesmen for the other seven flip-floppers — Lynn Woolsey of California, John Conyers of Michigan, Maurice Hinchey of New York, Jim McDermott of Washington, Marcy Kaptur of Ohio, Steven Rothman of New Jersey and Silvestre Reyes of Texas — did not respond at all.

Woolsey, Hinchey, Reyes and Rothman are not running for re-election. Woolsey was one of eleven original co-sponsors of the 2009 version.

House opponents of the bill argued that it could result in the politicization of the Federal Reserve’s policymaking. “Congress has rightly insulated the Fed from short-term political pressures,” said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat. (SEE ALSO: Kucinich: Federal Reserve ‘acts like it’s some kind of high exalted priesthood’)

The eight House Democrats who switched their stance on the issue without an explanation find themselves in good company, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also pulling off a mystifying pivot.

In 2010 and 1995, Reid boasted that he had tried in vain to pass legislation to audit the Fed. The Nevada senator, however, is now refusing to bring the bill, which would fulfill his self-professed yearning, to a Senate vote.

Like the eight congressmen, Reid has ignored requests for comment.

The 2012 Senate bill is sponsored by Ron Paul’s son, Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, and is co-sponsored by 23 Republicans. The 2009 Senate version was introduced by Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders and was co-sponsored by several Democrats, including still-serving Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California, Ben Cardin of Maryland, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Jim Webb of Virginia and Ron Wyden of Oregon.
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Reply #1511 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28pm
 
I saw my first open carry over the weekend while I was in Indiana, near Chicago. The man in casual dress with two kids was getting breakfast at a Dunkin' Donuts. The employees didn't think anything of it. After he left, no whispers or anything.

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Reply #1512 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 8:01pm
 
Apparently, even the MSM in Australia is getting a bit uppity about the Kim Dotcom/MegaUpload raid.  Not only are they (rightly) saying the tactical nature of the raid was completely unnecessary, but they're miffed that it was apparently done under the guidance of the FBI.  Interesting...




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Reply #1513 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 7:40am
 
National sovereignty???...we don't need none of that anywhere!
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Reply #1514 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:12am
 
Stick,

People in the UP did that all the time, I new at least 3 people I would see around Houghton with a side-arm clearly visible on 3 sides... Yoopers (heh heh)
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Reply #1516 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 12:24pm
 
I sent a couple letters to my congressmen today to oppose the rapidly growing threat to the second amendment and to encourage the reintroduction of a couple of bills from the last congress.  I encourage you guys to do the same!


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I understand you're seeing a flood of support for the "Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence" bill from a very specific niche of the political spectrum.  Please stand strong in your opposition toward this bill.  I've been a firearm owner for many years and I use my firearms for sport, recreation, hunting and other activities.  At no point in time have my firearms been used in a violent manner, and it is unacceptable that my second amendment rights would be curtailed because of a single psychotic individual with whom I have no relation.

Thank you for your time.




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I understand you're seeing a flood of support for the "Common Sense Legislation to End Gun Violence" bill from a very specific niche of the political spectrum.  Please stand strong in your opposition toward this bill.  I've been a firearm owner for many years and I use my firearms for sport, recreation, hunting and other activities.  At no point in time have my firearms been used in a violent manner, and it is unacceptable that my second amendment rights would be curtailed because of a single psychotic individual with whom I have no relation.

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I have held a concealed weapons permit for eight years and I enjoy the freedom to choose when and where I can carry a firearm in my home state.  Fortunately, Michigan enjoys reciprocity with 39 other states, but eleven states either do not share reciprocity or have no CCW laws on the books.

Traveling to other states with a concealed firearm is always a painful process.  Even if the state does share reciprocity, their specific laws regarding disclosure, "pistol-free zones", and other matters can vary greatly.  By passing a successor to the national reciprocity act, we would enjoy reciprocity with every state that permits "shall issue" CCW laws and a singular list of non-permissible carry locations.  In addition to making the lives of CCW-holder easier, it would also eliminate unintentional infractions that can ruin the lives of CCW holder without improving anybody's safety or security.






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Reply #1517 - Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:42am
 
Too Big to Fail has become Too Big for Trial

Short, but the point is made

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“[Detroit Mayor Dave] Bing says the governor told him his decision during a phone conversation this morning,” the station reports.


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Reply #1519 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:18am
 
Pretty amazing that the state can scrap elected officials. I guess it's better than doing nothing and watching the city fall as it has been. I voted no on the proposal in the latest election because the power could be so easily abused. In this case, it seems warranted. And if he saves Detroit, it will be legendary! One for the books.
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Reply #1520 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 12:08pm
 
Nothing can save Detroit....
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Reply #1521 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:51pm
 
The_Fat_Man wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 12:08pm:
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Reply #1523 - Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:13am
 
Stick wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:18am:
Pretty amazing that the state can scrap elected officials. I guess it's better than doing nothing and watching the city fall as it has been. I voted no on the proposal in the latest election because the power could be so easily abused. In this case, it seems warranted. And if he saves Detroit, it will be legendary! One for the books.



Even if it works, I will never support EMs.  Just like how I never support federal usurping of state law/money/etc. Each city, like each state, should be a product of testing of liberty and capitalism and reform.  Let Detroit fail and let the people elect a new brand of leadership/rules and start over.  When your 8 billion in the hole for a single city...it's time to take your F and retake the class.

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Reply #1524 - Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:56am
 
I think people are forgetting that bankruptcy is there for a reason. Clear the debt, resulting in a trashed credit. As X said, they screwed up, its time to start over. You can't accumulate debt forever, no matter what the Federal Government says/does.
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Reply #1525 - Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:42pm
 
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-t...

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
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Reply #1526 - Mar 4th, 2013 at 1:32pm
 
I feel safer already!


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